Some Martin machines are rebadged Griggio so you have to know what you are looking at even with Martin.? Hoffmann will argue they are superior to Martin, just not available here.? My point is to do lots of homework, at least until you have more retirement
assets than needed.? Dave
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From: felder-woodworking@... on behalf of James Zhu james.zhu2@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 12:32 AM
To: phil_moger@... [felder-woodworking]
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
?
Martin does not make all the woodworking machines, but for all the machines and accessories??has on their websites, IMO they are
the best in the world.
If money is not an issue, and you want the best, it is a trivial task, just check ?.
James
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Martin does not make all the woodworking machines, but for all the machines and accessories??has on their websites, IMO they are the best in the world.
If money is not an issue, and you want the best, it is a trivial task, just check ?.
James
?
Glen, I'd ask if there is a reason to buy all machines from one company.? As great as Felder is, I don't believe every machine in every line is the best choice.? I don't think any company can claim that.? I'd also ask why the jointer planer combo if you
have the room for separates.? Given your high end budget, spend some time looking at how each machine is built relative to the competition and then decide.? Felder makes some machines that when on sale are terrific values ( Kappa saw is one ) but others that
I don't feel lead the pack.? Same for SCM, Griggio, Casadei, even Martin.? Same for cars.? Dave
?
Thank you David for welcoming me aboard,
I have looked at a lot of different companies over the last year, and i really like The Felder company. I have been to there offices in Sacramento, Ca? a few times, what really sold me was Harry? was out from Austria getting ready for a trade show in Florida
and I knew he was there for other things but , he spent the day with me and we took apart a 700SP and he gave me more knowledge in that six hours then I have had in my life time. with that I am sold.
So here I go:
Things have changed in woodworking in fifteen years, so I now have a learning curve.
My Purchase Order with Felder is (still working on options and tooling)?
Kappa 400 X Motion
AD 951 or 741
Profil 45 Z X motion
Forka 300 s Eco
FW 950 Classic ( not on my purchase order but maybe some day()
FB190
RL200
Fat300 for 2
The building has 3 phase 480.
?
I will have about 2400 Sq Ft not including office space that I don't? need
As for what i am going to build, that is the big unknown, I have ideas and I will make it work
I can build one hell of a table beyond that the learning curve starts
Glen?
-----Original Message-----
From: David Luckensmeyer dhluckens@... [felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
To: felder-woodworking < felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We
can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East
coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in
the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Practice Manager
Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd
?
and
Designer and Woodworker
Original Designs in Wood
?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could
get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking
for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
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Glen, I'd ask if there is a reason to buy all machines from one company.? As great as Felder is, I don't believe every machine in every line is the best choice.? I don't think any company can claim that.? I'd also ask why the jointer planer combo if you
have the room for separates.? Given your high end budget, spend some time looking at how each machine is built relative to the competition and then decide.? Felder makes some machines that when on sale are terrific values ( Kappa saw is one ) but others that
I don't feel lead the pack.? Same for SCM, Griggio, Casadei, even Martin.? Same for cars.? Dave
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From: felder-woodworking@... on behalf of GLEN chris3645@... [felder-woodworking]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:14 PM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
?
Thank you David for welcoming me aboard,
I have looked at a lot of different companies over the last year, and i really like The Felder company. I have been to there offices in Sacramento, Ca? a few times, what really sold me was Harry? was out from Austria getting ready for a trade show in Florida
and I knew he was there for other things but , he spent the day with me and we took apart a 700SP and he gave me more knowledge in that six hours then I have had in my life time. with that I am sold.
So here I go:
Things have changed in woodworking in fifteen years, so I now have a learning curve.
My Purchase Order with Felder is (still working on options and tooling)?
Kappa 400 X Motion
AD 951 or 741
Profil 45 Z X motion
Forka 300 s Eco
FW 950 Classic ( not on my purchase order but maybe some day()
FB190
RL200
Fat300 for 2
The building has 3 phase 480.
?
I will have about 2400 Sq Ft not including office space that I don't? need
As for what i am going to build, that is the big unknown, I have ideas and I will make it work
I can build one hell of a table beyond that the learning curve starts
Glen?
-----Original Message-----
From: David Luckensmeyer dhluckens@... [felder-woodworking]
To: felder-woodworking <felder-woodworking@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We
can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East
coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in
the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Practice Manager
Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd
?
and
Designer and Woodworker
Original Designs in Wood
?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could
get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking
for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
-----Original Message-----
From: James Zhu ?james.zhu2@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...>
To: ?phil_moger@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector?
?
I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
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This is absolutely a very nice purchase list of the machines that many pro shops do not have.
I can see you love high quality machines, you probably should take a look at Martin? as well, they have all the best machines, yes, more expensive though.
Never heard anyone complained about their Martin machines.
James
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 9:14 PM, GLEN chris3645@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
?
Thank you David for welcoming me aboard,
I have looked at a lot of different companies over the last year, and i really like The Felder company. I have been to there offices in Sacramento, Ca? a few times, what really sold me was Harry? was out from Austria getting ready for a trade show in Florida and I knew he was there for other things but , he spent the day with me and we took apart a 700SP and he gave me more knowledge in that six hours then I have had in my life time. with that I am sold.
So here I go:
Things have changed in woodworking in fifteen years, so I now have a learning curve.
My Purchase Order with Felder is (still working on options and tooling)?
Kappa 400 X Motion
AD 951 or 741
Profil 45 Z X motion
Forka 300 s Eco
FW 950 Classic ( not on my purchase order but maybe some day()
FB190
RL200
Fat300 for 2
The building has 3 phase 480.
?
I will have about 2400 Sq Ft not including office space that I don't? need
As for what i am going to build, that is the big unknown, I have ideas and I will make it work
I can build one hell of a table beyond that the learning curve starts
Glen?
-----Original Message-----
From: David Luckensmeyer dhluckens@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
To: felder-woodworking <felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Practice Manager
Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd
?
and
Designer and Woodworker
Original Designs in Wood
?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
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Glen:
Nice ¡°to-purchase¡± list!
Several of us have the Kappa 400 x motion, including myself. But the person you really want to take advice from? David Best. Seriously consider every piece of advice he gives you as he does not tell you what he would buy, but rather considers your situation and advises you on what he would buy in your situation. His advice is worth a great deal and I am grateful for his contributions to my shop and to me personally.
Make sure you buy Mac¡¯s pneumatic clamps. If you¡¯re going the x-motion, you can afford his clamps. Clamps are not ¡°optional¡± and Mac¡¯s are the best of the best.
You reference the AD951 or AD741. I have a Dual-51 and love it. My understanding from others is that the AD951 is going for a special deal at the moment. You should strongly consider at least ¡°power-drive¡±. I have ¡°digi-drive¡± which is even better again. Many on the FOG do not have digi-drive and therefore do not automatically recommend it. It is absolutely worth the money (in my opinion) in a commercial (my) situation. Complete luxury in your (nearly retired) situation. It¡¯s up to you, but if you would like more information on why I like the digi, let me know.
I have the Profil 45Z x-motion. Great choice. It¡¯s an awesome machine. Listen to the guys here about what tooling to purchase. My vote is for Felder or Rangate. Both are great. There¡¯s also a lot of accessories and options for this machine, some of which cannot be added later. Happy to help when you narrow down what you want.
I can¡¯t help you with the Forka. But I think John Ferandin has just had direct experience with one. John, what is the final verdict on the machine?
FW950 Classic. I have this machine, and would not buy it again. If I could get my money back I would. It is a faulty sander, briefly as follows:
- It requires roughly double the amperage it says it needs on the machine/motor plate in order to start. There is something wrong with the star/delta start, or otherwise. I have followed this up at length with Felder, and even the motor manufacturer. In the end, I have installed an expensive (here in Australia) 40A supply dedicated to the sander. It should work on a 20A circuit.
- The digital readout is relative only. It cannot be zeroed out without removing an access panel and literally fiddling with the rod and adjusting nuts attached to the readout. Seems misleading to me.
- The grit and platen compensation on the machine is not calibrated correctly, and cannot be adjusted. Consequently, if you finally get the digital readout to be correct for say 80 grit, it will be off for other grits (e.g. 180). Likewise, if you finally get the readout zeroed for calibration sanding with the rubber roller, it will be off for the platen, and vice versa. Not well thought through.
- The biggest and most damning feature of all is that the platen on this sander is faulty. David Best has generously worked through multiple adjustment tests with me, to try to get the sander to sand ¡°flat¡±, all to no avail. This sander rounds the edges (along the sides) of a board no matter what is done, regardless of the pressure used, or adjustment settings. This is VERY frustrating.
In all, the FW950 Classic is faulty. Utterly so. I now wish I had spent more for another brand. End rant.
FB190? This must be a typo. I have a vintage FB540 which is no longer made and absolutely love the bandsaw. My next bandsaw will simply be a bigger one from Felder.
I used to have an RL160, which was nice, but I now have an RL250, which is VERY nice. Would I buy this machine again? NO. I was advised to look seriously at AL-KO, and now I wish I had. The RL units are very nice, but their bins fill up unevenly, and it is very easy to make a mess of things with sawdust and chips climbing unevenly up one side of bins and in amongst the filters¡ Takes quite a while to clean. I do like the power of the RL250, and many here love their RL200, so if you decide to buy the 200, you¡¯ll be in good company. Just beware that the RL units do have issues.
Fat300. Lucky you. They¡¯ve never sold one in Australia. They look a very nice table. I¡¯ve long looked into cheaper (local) and more expensive (e.g. Barth) alternatives, but have yet to pull the trigger.
My oh my, are you having fun with all these decisions! I¡¯m having fun just typing about it! :-)
Lucky
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Thank you David for welcoming me aboard,
I have looked at a lot of different companies over the last year, and i really like The Felder company. I have been to there offices in Sacramento, Ca? a few times, what really sold me was Harry? was out from Austria getting ready for a trade show in Florida and I knew he was there for other things but , he spent the day with me and we took apart a 700SP and he gave me more knowledge in that six hours then I have had in my life time. with that I am sold.?
So here I go:
Things have changed in woodworking in fifteen years, so I now have a learning curve.
My Purchase Order with Felder is (still working on options and tooling)??
Kappa 400 X Motion
AD 951 or 741
Profil 45 Z X motion
Forka 300 s Eco
FW 950 Classic ( not on my purchase order but maybe some day()
FB190
RL200
Fat300 for 2?
The building has 3 phase 480.
?
I will have about 2400 Sq Ft not including office space that I don't? need
As for what i am going to build, that is the big unknown, I have ideas and I will make it work?
I can build one hell of a table beyond that the learning curve starts
Glen??
-----Original Message----- From: David Luckensmeyer ?dhluckens@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> To: felder-woodworking < felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 5:00 pm Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all, ?Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards, David
Dr David Luckensmeyer Practice Manager Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd ?
and
Designer and Woodworker Original Designs in Wood ?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
-----Original Message----- From: James Zhu ?james.zhu2@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> To: ?phil_moger@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:16 am Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector? ?I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
|
Thank you David for welcoming me aboard,
I have looked at a lot of different companies over the last year, and i really like The Felder company. I have been to there offices in Sacramento, Ca? a few times, what really sold me was Harry? was out from Austria getting ready for a trade show in Florida and I knew he was there for other things but , he spent the day with me and we took apart a 700SP and he gave me more knowledge in that six hours then I have had in my life time. with that I am sold.
So here I go:
Things have changed in woodworking in fifteen years, so I now have a learning curve.
My Purchase Order with Felder is (still working on options and tooling)?
Kappa 400 X Motion
AD 951 or 741
Profil 45 Z X motion
Forka 300 s Eco
FW 950 Classic ( not on my purchase order but maybe some day()
FB190
RL200
Fat300 for 2
The building has 3 phase 480.
?
I will have about 2400 Sq Ft not including office space that I don't? need
As for what i am going to build, that is the big unknown, I have ideas and I will make it work
I can build one hell of a table beyond that the learning curve starts
Glen?
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From: David Luckensmeyer dhluckens@... [felder-woodworking]
To: felder-woodworking
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
?
Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Practice Manager
Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd
?
and
Designer and Woodworker
Original Designs in Wood
?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
-----Original Message----- From: James Zhu ?james.zhu2@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> To: ?phil_moger@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:16 am Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector?
?
I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
|
I have had Felder machines since 2008, 8 to be exact. All work well but my next go round will be Martin. I always buy when there is a special and never paid their full price.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "David Davies myfinishingtouch@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> Date: 2016-11-29 8:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: felder-woodworking <felder-woodworking@...> Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Hello all,
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Glen, ? The shop tour you really want to see is Lucky's shop tour.? He has some impressive Felder machines. Dave
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Glen, ? The shop tour you really want to see is Lucky's shop tour.? He has some impressive Felder machines. Dave
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 7:07 PM, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote: Glen, ? ?Now is the time to buy the Kappa 400 if they still have 60th anniversary pricing on the saw.? You didn't say where you are or perhaps I missed it but the Dallas showroom has one with all the bells and whistles on their floor.? AD941 is also a good price now ($4K less than what I paid -- darn it).? Workshop size is everything.? Bigger is better.? If my shop were bigger I'd have the Kappa and would be selling my KF700S but the Kappa just won't fit.? Kind of speaks to whether or not we'd buy another Felder.? My shop is awash in Felder
Dave
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Glen, ? ?Now is the time to buy the Kappa 400 if they still have 60th anniversary pricing on the saw.? You didn't say where you are or perhaps I missed it but the Dallas showroom has one with all the bells and whistles on their floor.? AD941 is also a good price now ($4K less than what I paid -- darn it).? Workshop size is everything.? Bigger is better.? If my shop were bigger I'd have the Kappa and would be selling my KF700S but the Kappa just won't fit.? Kind of speaks to whether or not we'd buy another Felder.? My shop is awash in Felder
Dave
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Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards, David
Dr David Luckensmeyer Practice Manager Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd ?
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Designer and Woodworker Original Designs in Wood ?
I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Hi Glen:
Welcome to the group! Looking forward to helping you.
Regarding your question about ¡°bad experiences¡±, I think perhaps that is not the right question. Most of us are long-term, repeat Felder customers who have invested a lot of time and money into Felder machines, along with many other brands. We can probably all tell stories about ¡°bad experiences¡±, whether about a particular machine, or a particular service representative. Here the context would be most important. Was the ¡°bad experience¡± last year or fifteen years ago? Was it West coast or East coast, or somewhere like Australia (where I am)? And so forth. Make sense?
Perhaps a more useful question would be: ¡°Would you buy Felder again?¡±
My answer is absolutely. This company is not perfect. The service is not perfect. The machines are not perfect. But they are very well designed (in the main), very well built (in the main), and the service is much better than average (again, in the main). I have quite a few of their machines and have spent a lot of money with Felder. I, for one, will continue to buy Felder.
There are many here who can help you with the machines you¡¯re considering, and what options to buy. But we need more information, like:
How much do you want to spend? $10k, $20k, $100k?
What power do you have, or are you willing to put in?
What size space do you have? (This is important for sliding table lengths.)
And what kind of ¡°woodwork¡± do you like to do? Small, detailed items; big interior design work; veneer or solid? Etc.
These are exciting times for you!
Warm regards, David
Dr David Luckensmeyer Practice Manager Luckensmeyer Medical Pty Ltd ?
and
Designer and Woodworker Original Designs in Wood ?
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I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.?
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
-----Original Message----- From: James Zhu ?james.zhu2@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> To: ?phil_moger@...?[felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:16 am Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector? ?I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
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I am a new joiner to the group and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Glen and I am purchasing some Felder tools. I am Glad to find this group to get in touch and learn more.
I grew up in wood, my dad was a cabinet builder , boat builder or just anything anyone would bring him he could build
Ten years ago I got out of wood and got in the grocery business. It was the best and worse thing I ever did. The best thing was i made money , the bad was 100 hour work weeks and missing sawdust. In those ten years i put some money away every month so i could get my workshop back when i retired. I am retiring in 32 days and about 10 hours. Ha. So as i try and figure out what I am buying,how to plan shop layout, dust collection, what im going to make to sell if anything and why im even really doing this, I am looking for knowledge from other people. I have nothing but questions and this is a one time thing for me that I have to get right. My girl friend was ok with it ( "It will give you something to do and keep you busy") until I told her how much i was going to spend.
Sorry to drag on but i am excited to join this group and other related groups to learn how you all do. it.
Thanks Glen
Question one, who has had any bad experiences with Felder?
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From: James Zhu james.zhu2@... [felder-woodworking]
To: phil_moger@... [felder-woodworking]
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector?
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I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
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Re: See the new dust collector?
I agree James, but in today's world when your trying to sell equipment with a high price tag don't you think that you would him at least checked what the rocket scientists in marketing department were putting out there on the web. LOL. ?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "James Zhu james.zhu2@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> Date: 2016-11-29 12:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "phil_moger@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: See the new dust collector?
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I think it is a typo.?
If it was 5 micron, I do not think the owner of bridge city would buy it because he is allergic to wood dust as mentioned in the following review of his new dust collector.
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Re: See the new dust collector?
I read another post?.
The machine sold in states comes with 5 micron filter, 1 micron is an option you can upgrade. I believe the machine sold in Europe will have 1 micron filter.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:16 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote: I think it is a typo.?
If it was 5 micron, I do not think the owner of bridge city would buy it because he is allergic to wood dust as mentioned in the following review of his new dust collector.
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Re: See the new dust collector?
I think it is a typo.?
If it was 5 micron, I do not think the owner of bridge city would buy it because he is allergic to wood dust as mentioned in the following review of his new dust collector.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 10:21 AM, andy.giddings@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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As the filter appears to be 5 micron, seems more like a large dust distributor than a collector :-) Hope that's a misprint
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Re: agazzani BS ( & Other) BS owners
I've always assumed these pieces were just a (European?) safety rule to stop an idiot putting their hand through and contacting the tool.? I once mentioned this at a tool show and the unofficial advice I was given was just to break it out! Julie
From: "jontathan samways jonathansamways@... [felder-woodworking]"
To: felder-woodworking@...
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2016, 16:31
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] agazzani BS ( & Other) BS owners
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Cliff,
My kf700 had the same setup in the slindle moulder shoot, I? took them straigt out,didn't want it clogging up!
I wondered if the x was just part of the way the shoot was manufactured, and was not taken out in the factory ?
Jonathan Samways
Fine Interior Woodwork
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Re: agazzani BS ( & Other) BS owners
Cliff,
My kf700 had the same setup in the slindle moulder shoot, I? took them straigt out,didn't want it clogging up!
I wondered if the x was just part of the way the shoot was manufactured, and was not taken out in the factory ?
Jonathan Samways
Fine Interior Woodwork
On 29 Nov 2016 16:18, "Cliff rohrabacher@... [felder-woodworking]" < felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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I got these two dust evacuation chutes. In ten there is molded in
plastic an X pattern presumably to keep chunks from being sucked up and
hitting a cheap plastic impeller.
Problems is when Sawing wet logs for processing on the lathe the wood
is often stringy as it comes off the blade and gets wrapped around
these X parts clogging them and quickly closing the ducts off completely.
So my question is - - have you cut them out and found the polymer DC
chute did not collapse? I'm about to cut mine out and take the chance.
I don't have the impeller problem. I can send rocks through my DC with
no ill effect.
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Re: See the new dust collector?
I think the Harvey guy is Ben Chan and they sell a bunch of stuff direct through their website.? I was interested in the overarm saw guard as I liked the design but it wouldn't cover the 16-18" blades I work with.? Chan was pretty responsive though and seemed
OK to deal with.? Dave
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:15 AM
To: FOG
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] See the new dust collector?
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Here's the original specs from the manufacturer. I heard about these units early in the summer and did some looking, 100% Chinese.
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www.harveymachinery.com
GYRO AIR G700. A Revolutionary Dust Processor . In a woodworking shop, wood dusts are always a big problem for woodworkers. Flying dust particles can severely harm ...
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New design but really how good for the price. They measure filtering at?0.05mg/m?, whatever that actually coverts to in microns.
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Re: See the new dust collector?
Here's the original specs from the manufacturer. I heard about these units early in the summer and did some looking, 100% Chinese.
New design but really how good for the price. They measure filtering at?0.05mg/m?, whatever that actually coverts to in microns.
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Exactly, maybe too small for a whole shop of Felder machines, but interesting nonetheless.
The motor is 1500W, so about 2HP, maybe good for a one man shop.?
The low noise level 61dbA is amazing.
James
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Re: See the new dust collector?
Exactly, maybe too small for a whole shop of Felder machines, but interesting nonetheless.
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The motor is 1500W, so about 2HP, maybe good for a one man shop.?
The low noise level 61dbA is amazing.
James
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Re: See the new dust collector?
As the filter appears to be 5 micron, seems more like a large dust distributor than a collector :-) Hope that's a misprint
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David Luckensmeyer