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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
Hey PK,
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Great videos, I definitely prefer the L7 but unfortunately it doesn't seem to be available anywhere in stock and it's for my business and i can't wait months for it. I have a couple SCM machines which are ok (not perfect) but I love their l'Invincible line. Any ideas where I can get one? Thanks again for your response.?
-Jim
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
Hi Jim,?
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One nice feature of the SCM machines is that the dust chute remains on one side of the machine, so it simplifies ducting and makes transitioning from one function to the other easier.?
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My FS-52es came stock with an electronic adjustment for the planer bed, with a simple "Up" and "Down" adjustment, and digital readout.?
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I'll go against the grain a little here and say that I would have ordered an all-manual machine if SCM had one in stock, owing mostly to my skepticism of sourcing electronics decades after a purchase.?
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If you do opt for a SCM machine with the simple "up/down" buttons, I will share that they are straightforward to use, and I don't find them to be an issue when milling lumber.?
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On the FS-52es, you need to lower the thickness planer bed to 80mm in order to convert to jointer.?
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I did not like the "pork chop" guard which shipped with my FS-52es, so I retrofitted a SuvaMatic guard and I just love it.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
I don't have experience with the Dual51, but when I wanted to upgrade my Hammer A3-31 earlier this year I checked the spec of both the Dual51 and the SCM equivalent.
I liked the advantage of the SCM:
- parallelogram design, that suppose to keep calibration better than the pin post.
- You only need to lower the table to 25mm and not ~8"
- You don't need to change the hose location. I.E. significantly shorter change over time.
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I initially ordered the SCM FS52 back in May (2024), with delivery in September (2024). I was at IWF in August and investigated the L'invincible FS 7 they had there.
I decided to cancel the FS-52 order and order the ?L'invincible FS 7 instead. It should arrive to LA port any day now.
The main reasons:
- The Ready3 mechanism looks really nice
- It has a EURO guard (I don't like the pork chop guard) and anyway had to spend and extra ~$1k to get the euro guard from SCM or ~$2K for the suvamatic
- with the IWF promotion and the euro guard the price difference between the machines wasn't that big.
- It is slightly larger - 60mm for the jointer bed and 125mm for the planer bed
- overall better finish
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Re: Groover / Dado advice
¡as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words! ?
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
Lucky,
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The L'invincible FS 7 has SCM's version of Digi-Drive.? It is the only J/P combo from SCM with it.? It is called Ready 3.? You do not need to lower the bed if it is 25mm or more.
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Here is my video on it:
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This is the video on the FS 7:
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PK
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Re: Groover / Dado advice
Jacques,
This is the issue with conversational threads. Tenoning hood was mentioned earlier and you are correct that it would be the safest option.
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On Dec 29, 2024, at 9:01?PM, Jacques Gagnon via groups.io <jacques.gagnon309@...> wrote: ? Imran,
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I am not sure that I understand the approach of the false fence. Would that not leave the blade exposed?
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The combination of the tenoning hood and table, along with the hold-down, provides a safe and efficient way to work on long(er) tenons, since the 250mm blade is fully enclosed behind the guards.
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Here are a couple of photos taken from the Felder website showing the equipment.
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Regards,
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Jacques
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Thanks for sharing, Bryce! Beautiful details and execution.
Tim House
Hi all,
Happy holidays!
Just thought i would post a link here to my latest video. Not a huge amount of work on the Felder CF 741, but hopefully enough to keep you interested. :)
Hope you enjoy it.
Regards,
Bryce
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Hello Bryce,
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Great work and excellent video. You almost make this work look easy!?
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Thanks for sharing.
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Regards,
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Jacques
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Re: Groover / Dado advice
Imran,
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I am not sure that I understand the approach of the false fence. Would that not leave the blade exposed?
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The combination of the tenoning hood and table, along with the hold-down, provides a safe and efficient way to work on long(er) tenons, since the 250mm blade is fully enclosed behind the guards.
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Here are a couple of photos taken from the Felder website showing the equipment.
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Regards,
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Jacques
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Hi Bryce,?
Totally understand that lock miter is fussy but I came up with a formula and come really close to the sweet spot. Still requires adjustment in single digit thousands of an inch but need to test it some more.
Good luck with the surgery. I have gone thru labrum repair on the hip. PT and recovery was similar to a hip replacement. Fun fact, most hip joints are made in Indiana, about 1 hr north of me. Make sure you pick a good one.
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On Dec 29, 2024, at 6:20?PM, Bryce Comer via groups.io <bryce@...> wrote: ? Thanks all.
Very encouraging words from you all!
Jonathon, I'm actually in Canada eh! :) To your point though, yes in Australia radiata pine is more abundant as it is grown there and NZ. Douglas fir is coloqually known as Oregan. It was originally brought to Australia in the form of packing crates! All sorts of stuff would get shipped in boxes and crates made of this lovely timber. Pretty crazy huh! Of course it didn't take long before we found it good for more than just crates, and started importing it as a building lumber. We used it lots for things like framing where large dimensions were needed without the weight of our native species. I couldn't tell you how many newel posts and balusters i turned from the stuff, but it was very popular for that too! It's still available in Australia, but not like it used to be, and definitely not at the price it used to be! :)
Imran, nice job on that beam! You really can't have too many clamps huh! :) I love lock mitres, but they are a little fussy if i just have a couple of pieces to do. I could have just been careful and cut the 45 on the slider, but then i wouldn't have had to use the shaper! :) If you can't tell, the shaper is probably my favourite machine! Well that and a 5 head moulder. Ok, maybe a single ended tenoner too, but unfortunately i don't have those in my shop, nor do i have the room! :(
With a hip replacement in the next month or so, and then the other one some time around April, i need to be filming everything i can so i have something to do when i'm laid up and can't work at full speed. Hopefully i can improve on the quality of the content.
Regards,
Bryce
--https://www.brycecomerwoodworks.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHdrRaAZd_pOa7wwbdNPUEw
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On Dec 29, 2024, at 1:23 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Wade,
Hammer AL body 140mm dia, for 14-26mm thick material. Here is the link.
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On Dec 29, 2024, at 4:00?PM, Wade Dees via groups.io <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
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Which cutter do you have? ?Specs?
Thx,
Wade
On Dec 29, 2024, at 9:57?AM, Imran Malik <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Yes Wade.
On Dec 29, 2024, at 11:41?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
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Imran,
This lock miter cutter was this done on the shaper?
Thx,
Wade
On Dec 29, 2024, at 8:31?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Very nice work Bryce and thanks for sharing. I know the tape technique but I can¡¯t bring myself to doing it because I can¡¯t see if the joint is completely closed. So I resorted to lock miter on this 19 ft long beam wrap. It was a lot of fun with staggered scarf joints on all 3 sides and had to be glued on-site due to the length.
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Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations
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Just thought i would post a link here to my latest video. Not a huge amount of work on the Felder CF 741, but hopefully enough to keep you interested. :)
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Re: Groover / Dado advice
It's a one piece arbor, no flange. It's a 25 year old machine. I'll just work around it.
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Thanks Brian,?
You're right. I do far less turning, and less detailed work like this than i ever used to. I can only imagine it's the same everywhere.
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https://www.brycecomerwoodworks.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHdrRaAZd_pOa7wwbdNPUEw
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Thanks all.
Very encouraging words from you all!
Jonathon, I'm actually in Canada eh! :) To your point though, yes in Australia radiata pine is more abundant as it is grown there and NZ. Douglas fir is coloqually known as Oregan. It was originally brought to Australia in the form of packing crates! All sorts of stuff would get shipped in boxes and crates made of this lovely timber. Pretty crazy huh! Of course it didn't take long before we found it good for more than just crates, and started importing it as a building lumber. We used it lots for things like framing where large dimensions were needed without the weight of our native species. I couldn't tell you how many newel posts and balusters i turned from the stuff, but it was very popular for that too! It's still available in Australia, but not like it used to be, and definitely not at the price it used to be! :)
Imran, nice job on that beam! You really can't have too many clamps huh! :) I love lock mitres, but they are a little fussy if i just have a couple of pieces to do. I could have just been careful and cut the 45 on the slider, but then i wouldn't have had to use the shaper! :) If you can't tell, the shaper is probably my favourite machine! Well that and a 5 head moulder. Ok, maybe a single ended tenoner too, but unfortunately i don't have those in my shop, nor do i have the room! :(
With a hip replacement in the next month or so, and then the other one some time around April, i need to be filming everything i can so i have something to do when i'm laid up and can't work at full speed. Hopefully i can improve on the quality of the content.
Regards,
Bryce
--https://www.brycecomerwoodworks.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHdrRaAZd_pOa7wwbdNPUEw
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
Hi Jim:
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I know you asked for ¡°recent¡± owner experience. My Dual 51 was bought new almost 20 years ago now. It has some amazing features, and some not so good features. Overall I have been happy with the machine.
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In brief, the key aspects of the machine which are NOT amazing have to do with the table design issues as outlined by David Best. The jointer/surfacing tables do not hold calibration and have to be recalibrated
at least once a year if not more often.
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If you proceed to buy one, I strongly recommend you purchase the Digidrive option. It seems expensive but very few people actually have it, and do not know what it really is. In brief, it is an electronic
interface that allows the following:
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- Short-cut programming that moves the thicknesser table to a parked position for changing machine modes. I do not have to stand by and turn a knob or
hold a button or wind a wheel. I press one of the programmable function buttons and let the machine do its thing (usually while I fuss with changing over the dust extraction flex).
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- I can enter an exact number and have the thicknesser table move to that position. For example, if I want 21.0mm I can enter that, and the table will
move to that number by itself. Again, no standing around waiting for it to finish moving (usually I¡¯m picking up my board for machining, and getting ready to feed it).
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- In addition to the ¡®absolute¡¯ mode mentioned above, when batch machining rough stock to a final thickness I have multiple programmable function buttons
that allow for ¡®incremental¡¯ positioning of the thicknesser table. For example, if I have a board that is 25mm thick and I want it to be 19mm thick, I can first enter say 23mm in absolute mode and then hit start. The table moves to 23mm ready to feed the stock
through, removing 2mm of material in so doing.
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With an old-school thicknesser, after receiving the board (now 23mm thick) I used to walk back to the in-feed side, rotate the up/down wheel a bit for the next pass and proceed.
With Powerdrive, of course this process is a bit easier because the knob can be turned briefly and the user can see how much the table moves. But as we all know, it takes a bit of practice to hit the intended 23mm, and doing this while holding stock is not
always easy. In particular, if the stock is long and heavy, I would not like this process. Once or twice maybe, but not fifty times for a big machining session.
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The key benefit of Digidrive is the programmable presets. By selecting incremental mode, I can press one of the function keys: F1 (1mm), F2 (2mm) or F3 (3mm), or whatever you want
¨C that¡¯s just what I¡¯ve got them programmed to ¨C and the table moves up by one of those amounts
while I am moving the stock into position for the next pass. So, I feed the stock (e.g. now 23mm), retrieve it from the out-feed side, hit start (F2 is already selected previously), the table automatically moves to 21mm, feed stock, hit start, the table
automatically moves to 19mm, feed stock.
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?????????????? The time savings here is substantial.
??????????????? The convenience is huge.
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I know of no other machine on the market with this kind of system. Martin certainly does not have it. I don¡¯t know about
SCM but would love to know.
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Cheers.
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Warm regards,
Lucky
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Dr David Luckensmeyer
Designer & Maker
@luckensmeyer
M: 0413 013 115
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I had an AD-941 and really liked it.? I was able to sell it for what I paid for it and wanted a 20" machine.
I decided to get the SCM L'invincible FS 7 in January of 2022 and it was delivered in February of 2023.? It is a joy to use.
PM me with any questions.
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Re: Looking at FELDER Dual 51
Hi Jim,
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I bought a new Dual 51 about 2 years ago, sold it after about 15 months and went to separate machines.
I believe the dual 51 is a good solid machine. Mine had a 10hp motor, Aigner fence, spiral head and digi drive. But like any combo it has its drawbacks, mainly for me was the switch over, jointer adjustments and the short beds, especially if you work with long material.
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I¡¯d recommend the digi drive, you can enter a measurement hit enter and walk away. It also helps when you have to lower the planer bed to 10¡± to flip the dust collection hood. The carbide inserts last forever, I¡¯ve never planned anything fancy though! Also I¡¯d recommend the segmented infeed roller, mine didn¡¯t have it and was annoying feeding different thickness material.
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Hope this helps,?
Declan
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Bryce...thanks for sharing...absolutely amazing millwork...as others have said, don't see that level of craft and creativity any more!
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Kamal Patel
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Re: Groover / Dado advice
Not all Felder saws will accommodate a dado set. When I bought a K700S the ability to take a dado was an option. It is standard in my Kappa 450X.?
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Wade,
Hammer AL body 140mm dia, for 14-26mm thick material. Here is the link.
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On Dec 29, 2024, at 4:00?PM, Wade Dees via groups.io <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
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Which cutter do you have? ?Specs?
Thx,
Wade
On Dec 29, 2024, at 9:57?AM, Imran Malik <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Yes Wade.
On Dec 29, 2024, at 11:41?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
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Imran,
This lock miter cutter was this done on the shaper?
Thx,
Wade
On Dec 29, 2024, at 8:31?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Very nice work Bryce and thanks for sharing. I know the tape technique but I can¡¯t bring myself to doing it because I can¡¯t see if the joint is completely closed. So I resorted to lock miter on this 19 ft long beam wrap. It was a lot of fun with staggered scarf joints on all 3 sides and had to be glued on-site due to the length.
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Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations
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Just thought i would post a link here to my latest video. Not a huge amount of work on the Felder CF 741, but hopefully enough to keep you interested. :)
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<IMG_7045.JPG>
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Which cutter do you have? ?Specs?
Thx,
Wade
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On Dec 29, 2024, at 9:57?AM, Imran Malik <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Yes Wade.
On Dec 29, 2024, at 11:41?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Imran,
This lock miter cutter was this done on the shaper?
Thx,
Wade On Dec 29, 2024, at 8:31?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Very nice work Bryce and thanks for sharing. I know the tape technique but I can¡¯t bring myself to doing it because I can¡¯t see if the joint is completely closed. So I resorted to lock miter on this 19 ft long beam wrap. It was a lot of fun with staggered scarf joints on all 3 sides and had to be glued on-site due to the length. ? Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations ? ? Just thought i would post a link here to my latest video. Not a huge amount of work on the Felder CF 741, but hopefully enough to keep you interested. :) <IMG_7045.JPG> <IMG_7045.JPG> <IMG_7072.JPG>
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Jim Synyard
Tom Gensmer
PK
imran
Bryce Comer
David Luckensmeyer
Declan Gallagher