Re: Christmas in November
Hi John,?
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Congrats on the new machine. I was in line to get the Kappa 450 x after initially ordering a Kappa 400. But due to pricing changes and complications in my time line I've actually ended up with a K740.
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Anyway, re your experience of intermittent functioning of the start button - I've discovered on mine that if I've opened the door to access the blade the saw will not start again until I switch the main power off and on again. It appears that opening the blade compartment initiates a full isolation of the saw that requires a full restart - a safety feature I guess (it might be in the manual but I haven't read it all yet). I've never experienced this on other panels saws that I've used at work including SCM's, Martins and Altendorfs.?
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Enjoy the amazing machine!?
Michael?
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Re: Felder FB610 Fence Support problems
Hi Ron,
I have a FB610 and had a look at my fence.? The set screws only seem to allow alignment of the fence to be parallel to the blade (or adjust the fence for drift).?
However, I believe that the leveling feet on the bottom may cause the angle you are seeing (circled in attached photo). If only one is higher than the other,? the fence might tilt.?
Apart from that I was wondering if you have another fence to check with your knuckle? My K945S saw has the same extrusion and slides on happily.? Check if maybe there is something wrong with the extrusion before you get a third knuckle.?
Hope any of this?helps.
Cornelius? Cyprus
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Re: Christmas in November
David, my wife calls me a “gadget guy” because I love gadgets and gizmos. I will be happy to share experiences with this system as I figure it out.
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The PCS is “only” $7,500, not $10,000, by the way.
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The PCS is now working with my 300mm Tenryu and Amana blades, with no issues or hiccups. ?When the technician and I tried a Tenryu yesterday the system would not give us a signal that it worked, but apparently that was because the PCS was not set up correctly and not because the blade was not compatible.
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The only issue I am still trying to resolve is an intermittent failure to start. I have not identified the conditions that cause it, but the saw simply does not respond to the “start” button. Turning the main power switch off and on, which re-boots the computer, gets me going again. I have a call in to the technician, as that is not acceptable behavior.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Re: Fitting Aigner fence to F900z
You may need different backing plates. I have Aigner fence plates ordered with my 2009 KF700SP and I had to get different backing plates to fit the plates to a 2017 700 series shaper.
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Fitting Aigner fence to F900z
Well, this should be easy. REALLY easy. Release the 230 hood clamps, slide old fences off, slide on new fences, smile and get back to work.?
Wrong.?
I can get the fences to the point of sitting flat on the table and flush to the mounting wings of the guard, but only at the remove/replace point, where it is oversized to accept that plunger/clamp disc. When sliding past to lock into proper position, it won't allow me to slide past that enlarged opening. With a bit more force, it simply ramps up onto the shoulder of the plunger/clamp. The evidence is clear, as the paint is peeling on the back steel plate the clamp grips where this is riding on that stepped portion of the plunger/clamp.?
End result? Fence hangs above the shaper table, teetering about 4-6mm off the table.?
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Tried flipping the back plates, as they're easily removed/replaced. Cannot do this, as it limits the fence opening around the hood. Factory orientation was correct.?
Tried working the set-screw/nut combination on the back side of the clamp plunger from inside the fence. I've managed to get the right side to go on, but the left just won't do it. I do not feel this is the right method of getting a fit, as what's happening is the plate is only being gripped by about .5mm of that stepped portion of the plunger clamp. That is not a very secure setup.? Or is that just how these fit the Felders?
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Tempted to file that stepped portion down, just a pinch for clearance, but I consider that an absolute last resort.?
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Seems I could be missing something rather simple, and hoping someone else has some suggestions.
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Thanks,?
Jeff
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Re: Need planer blades-Can you help?
Analog Felder DIO all but one steel case $55 each shipping included contact off the fog Mac,,?  Designing and building for 50 years
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? ? I have 10 high speed steel 310 6-2 ?hole 310 Older style 4 - carbon steel all in nice shape looks like 1 edge new ?2 hole new? 130.00 takes all shipping us included in USA Pay Pal only? Contact off fog Mac
Designing and building for 50 years On Dec 11, 2024, at 8:57?AM, David Cameron via groups.io <woodtales@...> wrote:
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Re: Need planer blades-Can you help?
? I have 10 high speed steel 310 6-2 ?hole 310 Older style 4 - carbon steel all in nice shape looks like 1 edge new ?2 hole new? 130.00 takes all shipping us included in USA Pay Pal only? Contact off fog Mac
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On Dec 11, 2024, at 8:57?AM, David Cameron via groups.io <woodtales@...> wrote:
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Re: Felder FB610 Fence Support problems
Post some picture of this knuckle. I don't know where the four set screws you mention are located, but on my rip fence for the saw which has a similar casting, you can adjust two set screws on the face that the Aluminum section rides against to adjust for 90 degrees.
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On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 10:44:20 AM MST, Ron Pomeroy via groups.io <rpomeroy@...> wrote:
The milled surfaces that the fence gets fixed to is not milled square relative to the surface that rests on the flat bar. I contend that this is the critical relationship that is not being maintained in the manufacturing process - at least not on all cases.?
i’m open to being proved wrong - but I have yet to hear an alternative explanation.
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Another mystery: There are 4 set screws in the knuckle. At first blush they would appear to be there to adjust toe-out on the fence. But more you study the placement of the screws and how securing the fence works - the more you come to the conclusion the design is fundamentally flawed. I’m definitely revisiting the assembly diagram as this one is a real head-scratcher.?
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Re: Felder FB610 Fence Support problems
The milled surfaces that the fence gets fixed to is not milled square relative to the surface that rests on the flat bar. I contend that this is the critical relationship that is not being maintained in the manufacturing process - at least not on all cases.?
i’m open to being proved wrong - but I have yet to hear an alternative explanation.
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Another mystery: There are 4 set screws in the knuckle. At first blush they would appear to be there to adjust toe-out on the fence. But more you study the placement of the screws and how securing the fence works - the more you come to the conclusion the design is fundamentally flawed. I’m definitely revisiting the assembly diagram as this one is a real head-scratcher.?
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Re: FOR SALE: HOUFEK HB900 Oscillating Edge Sander
Hi Mike,? Thanks for the offer. Really appreciate it.?
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Need planer blades-Can you help?
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Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup
Thanks,
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I initially placed it reversed, this is why I couldn’t move the swing away, after swapping the latching plate I am now able to swing away the decide.?
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Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup
Yes. ?That’s the latching mechanism on-ramp. ?It brings a sagging swing-away coupling component up to the level required for the Kipp locking levers to align and pull the feeder securely against the machine chassis. ?I now see why Felder went to 3 socket-head cap screws to mount the latching plate to the cast iron top: ?they use 3 smaller diameter bolts (instead of 2 larger bolts) so that the heads and the hex-recess of the bolts are lower profile. ?To get the 2-screw system to work correctly, the heads of the cap screws had to be shortened which also recudes the depth of the hex-recess and compromises the Allen wrench bite. ??
David Best
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On Dec 10, 2024, at 11:52?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
One more questions about the swing away.?
The small plate on the bottom is oriented in the right way?
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Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup
One more questions about the swing away.?
The small plate on the bottom is oriented in the right way? 
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Re: Christmas in November
Yea, I have the complete PCS PDF manual, and have read it. ?It strikes me as a potentially temperamental system that could easily frustrate people into turning it off or ignoring it, thus defeating the purpose of a $10,000 upgrade expenditure. Personally, I’d need to see a lot more field-proven experience reports before buying into this option. ?The literature makes reference to “uncoated” blades and “PCS Certification", which immediately brings up the ?question about the Felder dado cutters. ?They are obviously coated steel tooling, and I see no reference that they are PCS certified. ?Forgive me, but I’m from the “Show me” state of Missouri originally - you know, the Recovering Redneck guy - so it will be interesting to get reports from other users. ?John, thanks goes out to you for being a pioneer in exploration of the PCS system on the Kappa 450, and alerting the community to its limitations. ?Keep us posted. ?
David Best
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On Dec 10, 2024, at 8:05?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
This table is in the PCS manual.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Re: Christmas in November
This table is in the PCS manual.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Re: Christmas in November
This table is in the Kappa 450 manual. It does not address the blade versus table top, but does address the max diameter versus scoring blade.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Re: Christmas in November
By the way, the Kappa 450 will accept a 400 mm blade but will not retract it below the table top. The PCS displays a warning if the larger blade is mounted.
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This fact is not clearly stated in sales literature. I initially ordered a 400mm blade, but spotted the limitation in the PCS user manual in time to change to a 350 mm blade.
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I thought a 12” blade was large. The 16” is a monster! It is also extremely loud.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Re: Christmas in November
A couple more points:
The tech had some issues getting the blade brake and the PCS system to work, which was eventually traced to which leg of the three-phase current from my Phase Perfect connected to which input to the saw. It took him quite a bit longer than he had planned.
This sounds suspicions to me. ?The PP has balanced outputs, and while it’s always a good idea to ensure the 3rd (manufactured) leg is not part of the circuitry used to power the digital electronics, one of the main reasons to buy a PP in the first place is to now have to worry about that. ?I suppose it’s possible that the PP 3rd leg has some kind of electronic noise or harmonic that makes it incompatible with the Felder PCS sensor system, but I’d take that issue up with the team at PP for feedback and clarification. ?
?I’ll have to get a couple of additional Felder 350mm blades.
I suggest you first confirm the maximum size blade that will still lower below the surface of the cast iron top. ?Although the Kappa 400 advertises 350mm capacity without having to remove the scoring saw, a 350mm blade will not fully retract below the surface of the cast iron top. ?I have yet to see an updated table of blade size limitations since the Kappa 450 was introduced. ?If you find such a table, I’d love to see it posted here.
Has Felder made any pronouncements about the compatibility of the PCS system with dado cutters - Felder-branded or otherwise? Dado cutter use is one area where the PCS would seem to me to be really desirable - it’s by far the most dangerous operation to perform IMO.
David Best
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Joe Jensen
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