Re: Felder FB610 Fence Support problems
I don't know what the casting looks like that mounts to the F-channel and holds the fence, but maybe drill and tap for a jackscrew/setscrew on the low side and jack it up to obtain square with the fence. My F-channel cast iron extensions that I use on the J/P have set screws already built into the system to adjust height and pitch.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Tuesday, December 10, 2024 at 06:08:13 PM MST, Ron Pomeroy via groups.io <rpomeroy@...> wrote:
Hello FOG,
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I recently had Felder send a replacement fence support (sometimes referred to as a knuckle - the cast iron piece that rides the flat bar and holds the fence). What I found is that when tightened the fence is not square to the table. when I moved the fence to the other side of the knuckle (for when you use the fence on the right side of the blade) it also does not sit square and is in fact out of square the same amount but the opposite angle.
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The replacement knuckle has the same (but worse) problem
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I spent a lot of time making sure that:
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- The knuckle is sitting completely flat on the flat bar
- The nylon screws are level and don¡¯t allow the knuckle to rock on the flat bar
- The flat bar is perfectly parallel to the surface of the table
I had the same thing happen on my N4400 but it wasn¡¯t as bad. ?I ended up shimming by placing some painter tape on the lower milled surfaces where the fence contacts the knuckle. ?
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Before anyone suggests I adjust this out by changing position of the flat bar - that didn¡¯t work and it causes the fence to ramp up and down (hitting the table) as it moves to and from the blade. That also makes the fence unstable unless you adjust the nylon screws every time you move the fence. ?I¡¯m sure that¡¯s not what the designers of the bandsaw intended. ?
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I contend that when the flat bar is perfectly parallel to the table, and the knuckle is properly seated to the flat bar, the fence when tightened should be 90 degrees to the table.
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Is anyone else experiencing this? Since the replacement knuckle exhibits the same problem I¡¯m guessing this is a systemic problem at the milling station at the factory (especially since the opposite sides of the knuckle (L/R) appear to be co-planar).
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We shouldn¡¯t¡¯ have to shim the fence on a $6K bandsaw (or any Hammer/Felder bandsaw). ?It should be dead nuts square from the factory.?
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Regards,
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Ron
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Re: Christmas in November
Did Felder give you any pre-sales indication that the PCS system would only work with Felder blades? ?I have seen no such indication published, nor have I heard this from other PCS users. ?
It wouldn¡¯t surprise me to discover that your PCS is not set up properly and the technician didn¡¯t know what he was doing on this aspect of the commissioning. ?So before you go searching for Felder branded blades, I recommend you drive this up the chain at Felder for definitive response about the PCS blade type requirements. ? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Dec 10, 2024, at 5:11?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
? The saw is up and running.
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The tech had some issues getting the blade brake and the PCS system to work, which was eventually traced to which leg of the three-phase current from my Phase Perfect connected to which input to the saw. It took him quite a bit longer than he had planned.
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Apparently the PCS is very sensitive to the conductivity of the saw blades. The system checks rejected a Tenryu blade. I have one Felder blade that works with the PCS, but it is a 400mm rough cut blade and the PCS does not like that if it is set low. I¡¯ll have to get a couple of additional Felder 350mm blades.
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Unfortunately none of the Felder blades except the rough cut blades will cut a flat-bottom slot. I will probably keep using my Amana blade that I had re-ground to cut a flat bottom, even though it may not work with the PCS.
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This saw is quite a bit heavier than the K700S. Sheet metal parts, anyway, are heavier and so is the overarm blade guard.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Re: Felder FB610 Fence Support problems
I had a similar problem with a pressure bar on a Powermatic planer in the 1980s. They sent 3 replacements and all were machined wrong. The jig they used was obviously bad. I think the Felder part is also miss machined and not adjustable.
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Re: Christmas in November
The saw is up and running.
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The tech had some issues getting the blade brake and the PCS system to work, which was eventually traced to which leg of the three-phase current from my Phase Perfect connected to which input to the saw. It took him quite a bit longer than he had planned.
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Apparently the PCS is very sensitive to the conductivity of the saw blades. The system checks rejected a Tenryu blade. I have one Felder blade that works with the PCS, but it is a 400mm rough cut blade and the PCS does not like that if it is set low. I¡¯ll have to get a couple of additional Felder 350mm blades.
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Unfortunately none of the Felder blades except the rough cut blades will cut a flat-bottom slot. I will probably keep using my Amana blade that I had re-ground to cut a flat bottom, even though it may not work with the PCS.
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This saw is quite a bit heavier than the K700S. Sheet metal parts, anyway, are heavier and so is the overarm blade guard.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Felder FB610 Fence Support problems
Hello FOG,
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I recently had Felder send a replacement fence support (sometimes referred to as a knuckle - the cast iron piece that rides the flat bar and holds the fence). What I found is that when tightened the fence is not square to the table. when I moved the fence to the other side of the knuckle (for when you use the fence on the right side of the blade) it also does not sit square and is in fact out of square the same amount but the opposite angle.
?
The replacement knuckle has the same (but worse) problem
?
I spent a lot of time making sure that:
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- The knuckle is sitting completely flat on the flat bar
- The nylon screws are level and don¡¯t allow the knuckle to rock on the flat bar
- The flat bar is perfectly parallel to the surface of the table
I had the same thing happen on my N4400 but it wasn¡¯t as bad. ?I ended up shimming by placing some painter tape on the lower milled surfaces where the fence contacts the knuckle. ?
?
Before anyone suggests I adjust this out by changing position of the flat bar - that didn¡¯t work and it causes the fence to ramp up and down (hitting the table) as it moves to and from the blade. That also makes the fence unstable unless you adjust the nylon screws every time you move the fence. ?I¡¯m sure that¡¯s not what the designers of the bandsaw intended. ?
?
I contend that when the flat bar is perfectly parallel to the table, and the knuckle is properly seated to the flat bar, the fence when tightened should be 90 degrees to the table.
?
Is anyone else experiencing this? Since the replacement knuckle exhibits the same problem I¡¯m guessing this is a systemic problem at the milling station at the factory (especially since the opposite sides of the knuckle (L/R) appear to be co-planar).
?
We shouldn¡¯t¡¯ have to shim the fence on a $6K bandsaw (or any Hammer/Felder bandsaw). ?It should be dead nuts square from the factory.?
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Regards,
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Ron
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Re: Is the cross cut fence profile the same on Felder K700 and Hammer K3?
Thanks everyone! Brian, quite a few useful items in your printable collection, and thanks for sharing the zero clearance insert I was looking for to fit the K3.
On printables you can find a model for the Hammer extrusion
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You might find some other interesting things for the K3 in my C3-31 collection
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Regards
Bram
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Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup
Thank you Mikelis, I¡¯ll check that?
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Re: Is the cross cut fence profile the same on Felder K700 and Hammer K3?
On printables you can find a model for the Hammer extrusion
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You might find some other interesting things for the K3 in my C3-31 collection
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Regards
Bram
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Re: FOR SALE: HOUFEK HB900 Oscillating Edge Sander
John:
When you find a buyer, I can help with a move, if necessary.
I don¡¯t have rigging, but I am resourceful.
On Monday, December 9, 2024, 13:15, John Renzetti via groups.io <jrenzetti1@...> wrote:
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Mike D.
Annapolis, MD
AD951; K700S; N4400
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Re: Is the cross cut fence profile the same on Felder K700 and Hammer K3?
The Hammer k3 and Felder extrusions are not the same. The hammer k3 unit is much less stout and requires a completely different zero clearance. There is a maker on Etsy that may help. He is also active on this?forum. He made me one, but I have yet to check its fitment.?
Hope this helps. Horacio
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 7:01?AM schneider.jonny via <schneider.jonny= [email protected]> wrote: Eyeballing it, they appear similar, but always hard to know for sure.?
I want to 3D print a part that fits in the K700 fence extrusion¡ªa zero clearance insert.
I own a K3. Not sure if compatible, and it's never easy tryna track down this kind of information on the internet!
Thanks!
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Re: Is the cross cut fence profile the same on Felder K700 and Hammer K3?
Not the same unless they recently have changed the fences. The K700 fence measures 72mm x 70mm.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Tuesday, December 10, 2024 at 05:37:38 AM MST, Mi?elis Vindavs via groups.io <mikelis.vindavs@...> wrote:
Hello Jonny,
Unfortunately the extrusions are not the same, and the dimensions of the hole in the middle are different, too.
On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 at 14:01, schneider.jonny via <schneider.jonny= [email protected]> wrote: Eyeballing it, they appear similar, but always hard to know for sure.?
I want to 3D print a part that fits in the K700 fence extrusion¡ªa zero clearance insert.
I own a K3. Not sure if compatible, and it's never easy tryna track down this kind of information on the internet!
Thanks!
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Re: Is the cross cut fence profile the same on Felder K700 and Hammer K3?
Hello Jonny,
Unfortunately the extrusions are not the same, and the dimensions of the hole in the middle are different, too.
On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 at 14:01, schneider.jonny via <schneider.jonny= [email protected]> wrote: Eyeballing it, they appear similar, but always hard to know for sure.?
I want to 3D print a part that fits in the K700 fence extrusion¡ªa zero clearance insert.
I own a K3. Not sure if compatible, and it's never easy tryna track down this kind of information on the internet!
Thanks!
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Is the cross cut fence profile the same on Felder K700 and Hammer K3?
Eyeballing it, they appear similar, but always hard to know for sure.?
I want to 3D print a part that fits in the K700 fence extrusion¡ªa zero clearance insert. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5342446
I own a K3. Not sure if compatible, and it's never easy tryna track down this kind of information on the internet!
Thanks!
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Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup
Hello Netanel,
This one has worked for me.
You'll need to use openSCAD to customize it for your dimensions, but it's fairly?simple. If you need any help,?let me know.?
On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 at 10:16, netanel.belgazal via <netanel.belgazal= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks.
The Felder adapter isn't that good, It is 120mm ID, so I would need a short section of hose to connect it to the Aigner port. (doable but ugly)
I do have a 3D printer and I thought to print one myself.
The mcmaster hose is expensive... $300 for 3m hose is a lot, the $75 from Felder sounds a lot better :)
I think I'll just get one from Felder. I already have my dust collector port next to the machine set for 80mm.
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Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup
Thanks.
The Felder adapter isn't that good, It is 120mm ID, so I would need a short section of hose to connect it to the Aigner port. (doable but ugly)
I do have a 3D printer and I thought to print one myself.
The mcmaster hose is expensive... $300 for 3m hose is a lot, the $75 from Felder sounds a lot better :)
I think I'll just get one from Felder. I already have my dust collector port next to the machine set for 80mm.
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Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup
Do you have any recommendations on a reducer from 140mm to 120mm so I can put on the aigner bowmoulder?
3D printer part would be the best.
https://www.felder-group.com/en-us/shop/quick-couplings-sc125884/reduction-with-quick-connector-sp125891
Or ask fellow FOG member Bill Belanger to print you one. He has a shop on Etsy:
https://www.etsy.com/shop/arizonawoodstudio/?etsrc=sdt
Also a place to buy a 80mm hose.
I bought one from Felder but I only bought 2m instead of 3m and I don¡¯t want to wait until
Felder will fulfils this order. It took them 3 weeks to ship me the current hose.
I get my 80mm hose from Felder. ?McMaster carries it, but I have no experience with it. ?You might be better off using a 4-inch hose with an adapter. ?80mm is hard to find. https://www.mcmaster.com/products/crush-resistant-duct-hose/for-use-with~wood-chips/
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup
Yahoo, free parts.
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Do you have any recommendations on a reducer from 140mm to 120mm so I can put on the aigner bowmoulder?
3D printer part would be the best.
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Also a place to buy a 80mm hose.
I bought one from Felder but I only bought 2m instead of 3m and I don¡¯t want to wait until
Felder will fulfils this order. It took them 3 weeks to ship me the current hose.
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Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup
I could be wrong, but I believe those parts are related to the tenoning hood assembly. ?Actually, they look like they are for the?. ?But they could also be parts for the?. ?Lucky you - free parts! ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Dec 9, 2024, at 10:25?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
One more question.
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with the tenoning plate I got the following hardware. From what I see it isn¡¯t needed.?
Am I right?
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Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup
One more question.
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with the tenoning plate I got the following hardware. From what I see it isn¡¯t needed.?
Am I right?
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Re: Anyone know the function of these screws on old Hammer A3 41?
I had used the same machine for many years.
It¡¯s a good machine for its class.
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The ¡°owners manual¡± is simply an exploded parts list diagram. No words whatsoever on how the machine functions.
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Bryce is correct; the knob on the underside adjusts the outfeed table height. The two knobs on the side lock the tables in place.
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A word of warning; My machine was single phase 220V. if you attempt to remove too much material in one thicknessing pass, you will blow the starter capacitor that helps start the motor.?
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I learned to keep a couple of extras handy to keep the machine running, though this happened very infrequently. When I ordered replacements from Felder, the tech said it happens from time to time on that machine.
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JB
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