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Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup

 

Thanks,
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I initially placed it reversed, this is why I couldn¡¯t move the swing away, after swapping the latching plate I am now able to swing away the decide.?
Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup

 

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Yes. ?That¡¯s the latching mechanism on-ramp. ?It brings a sagging swing-away coupling component up to the level required for the Kipp locking levers to align and pull the feeder securely against the machine chassis. ?I now see why Felder went to 3 socket-head cap screws to mount the latching plate to the cast iron top: ?they use 3 smaller diameter bolts (instead of 2 larger bolts) so that the heads and the hex-recess of the bolts are lower profile. ?To get the 2-screw system to work correctly, the heads of the cap screws had to be shortened which also recudes the depth of the hex-recess and compromises the Allen wrench bite. ??

David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
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https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best



On Dec 10, 2024, at 11:52?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:

One more questions about the swing away.?

The small plate on the bottom is oriented in the right way?



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Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup

 

One more questions about the swing away.?

The small plate on the bottom is oriented in the right way?
Re: Christmas in November

 

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Yea, I have the complete PCS PDF manual, and have read it. ?It strikes me as a potentially temperamental system that could easily frustrate people into turning it off or ignoring it, thus defeating the purpose of a $10,000 upgrade expenditure. Personally, I¡¯d need to see a lot more field-proven experience reports before buying into this option. ?The literature makes reference to ¡°uncoated¡± blades and ¡°PCS Certification", which immediately brings up the ?question about the Felder dado cutters. ?They are obviously coated steel tooling, and I see no reference that they are PCS certified. ?Forgive me, but I¡¯m from the ¡°Show me¡± state of Missouri originally - you know, the Recovering Redneck guy - so it will be interesting to get reports from other users. ?John, thanks goes out to you for being a pioneer in exploration of the PCS system on the Kappa 450, and alerting the community to its limitations. ?Keep us posted. ?

David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
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https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best



On Dec 10, 2024, at 8:05?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

This table is in the PCS manual.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
Re: Christmas in November

 

This table is in the PCS manual.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
Re: Christmas in November

 

This table is in the Kappa 450 manual. It does not address the blade versus table top, but does address the max diameter versus scoring blade.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
Re: Christmas in November

 

By the way, the Kappa 450 will accept a 400 mm blade but will not retract it below the table top. The PCS displays a warning if the larger blade is mounted.
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This fact is not clearly stated in sales literature. I initially ordered a 400mm blade, but spotted the limitation in the PCS user manual in time to change to a 350 mm blade.
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I thought a 12¡± blade was large. The 16¡± is a monster! It is also extremely loud.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
Re: Christmas in November

 

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A couple more points:

The tech had some issues getting the blade brake and the PCS system to work, which was eventually traced to which leg of the three-phase current from my Phase Perfect connected to which input to the saw. It took him quite a bit longer than he had planned.

This sounds suspicions to me. ?The PP has balanced outputs, and while it¡¯s always a good idea to ensure the 3rd (manufactured) leg is not part of the circuitry used to power the digital electronics, one of the main reasons to buy a PP in the first place is to now have to worry about that. ?I suppose it¡¯s possible that the PP 3rd leg has some kind of electronic noise or harmonic that makes it incompatible with the Felder PCS sensor system, but I¡¯d take that issue up with the team at PP for feedback and clarification. ?

?I¡¯ll have to get a couple of additional Felder 350mm blades.

I suggest you first confirm the maximum size blade that will still lower below the surface of the cast iron top. ?Although the Kappa 400 advertises 350mm capacity without having to remove the scoring saw, a 350mm blade will not fully retract below the surface of the cast iron top. ?I have yet to see an updated table of blade size limitations since the Kappa 450 was introduced. ?If you find such a table, I¡¯d love to see it posted here.

Has Felder made any pronouncements about the compatibility of the PCS system with dado cutters - Felder-branded or otherwise? Dado cutter use is one area where the PCS would seem to me to be really desirable - it¡¯s by far the most dangerous operation to perform IMO.

David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
Re: Christmas in November

 

David,
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I ordered a Felder blade when I ordered the saw in March. I do not recall whether I bought the blade because of the PCS or if I just wanted a larger blade than I could get from Tenryu.
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When I scheduled the commissioning Ms. Rogers told me I needed a PCS-certified blade for commissioning. The Felder blade I ordered in March was back-ordered, so I bought a 400mm rough cut blade as one of the two blades I could get on short notice.
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She did not know if a non-certified blade would work or not, but was certain the tech would not commission the saw without a certified blade. I don¡¯t know if anyone but Felder certifies blades yo work with Felder¡¯s PCS.
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After demonstrating the PCS with the big Felder blade, I mounted a 300 mm Tenryu. The saw flashed lights saying PCS was not active. I did not try to trigger the system. I will do so tomorrow, as that attempt was prior to discovering and solving other issues with the PCS and the saw blade brake.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
Re: Felder FB610 Fence Support problems

 

Is the the milled surface of the cast knuckle out of square...
or the holes drilled square...
How about the profile connector,
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Seems you could photo the problem well to me.
Guess you'll be getting another knuckle sent to you if so....
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Now, what use might another fence knuckle bracket be....hrmmm?
I guess something useful, but it's got me scratching my head.
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Good luck with the next replacement.
All the best
Tom
Re: Felder FB610 Fence Support problems

 

I don't know what the casting looks like that mounts to the F-channel and holds the fence, but maybe drill and tap for a jackscrew/setscrew on the low side and jack it up to obtain square with the fence. My F-channel cast iron extensions that I use on the J/P have set screws already built into the system to adjust height and pitch.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
lambtoolworks.com


On Tuesday, December 10, 2024 at 06:08:13 PM MST, Ron Pomeroy via groups.io <rpomeroy@...> wrote:


Hello FOG,
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I recently had Felder send a replacement fence support (sometimes referred to as a knuckle - the cast iron piece that rides the flat bar and holds the fence). What I found is that when tightened the fence is not square to the table. when I moved the fence to the other side of the knuckle (for when you use the fence on the right side of the blade) it also does not sit square and is in fact out of square the same amount but the opposite angle.
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The replacement knuckle has the same (but worse) problem
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I spent a lot of time making sure that:
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  • The knuckle is sitting completely flat on the flat bar
  • The nylon screws are level and don¡¯t allow the knuckle to rock on the flat bar
  • The flat bar is perfectly parallel to the surface of the table
I had the same thing happen on my N4400 but it wasn¡¯t as bad. ?I ended up shimming by placing some painter tape on the lower milled surfaces where the fence contacts the knuckle. ?
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Before anyone suggests I adjust this out by changing position of the flat bar - that didn¡¯t work and it causes the fence to ramp up and down (hitting the table) as it moves to and from the blade. That also makes the fence unstable unless you adjust the nylon screws every time you move the fence. ?I¡¯m sure that¡¯s not what the designers of the bandsaw intended. ?
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I contend that when the flat bar is perfectly parallel to the table, and the knuckle is properly seated to the flat bar, the fence when tightened should be 90 degrees to the table.
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Is anyone else experiencing this? Since the replacement knuckle exhibits the same problem I¡¯m guessing this is a systemic problem at the milling station at the factory (especially since the opposite sides of the knuckle (L/R) appear to be co-planar).
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We shouldn¡¯t¡¯ have to shim the fence on a $6K bandsaw (or any Hammer/Felder bandsaw). ?It should be dead nuts square from the factory.?
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Regards,
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Ron
Re: Christmas in November

 

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Did Felder give you any pre-sales indication that the PCS system would only work with Felder blades? ?I have seen no such indication published, nor have I heard this from other PCS users. ?

It wouldn¡¯t surprise me to discover that your PCS is not set up properly and the technician didn¡¯t know what he was doing on this aspect of the commissioning. ?So before you go searching for Felder branded blades, I recommend you drive this up the chain at Felder for definitive response about the PCS blade type requirements.
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David Best - via mobile phone?

On Dec 10, 2024, at 5:11?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

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The saw is up and running.
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The tech had some issues getting the blade brake and the PCS system to work, which was eventually traced to which leg of the three-phase current from my Phase Perfect connected to which input to the saw. It took him quite a bit longer than he had planned.
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Apparently the PCS is very sensitive to the conductivity of the saw blades. The system checks rejected a Tenryu blade. I have one Felder blade that works with the PCS, but it is a 400mm rough cut blade and the PCS does not like that if it is set low. I¡¯ll have to get a couple of additional Felder 350mm blades.
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Unfortunately none of the Felder blades except the rough cut blades will cut a flat-bottom slot. I will probably keep using my Amana blade that I had re-ground to cut a flat bottom, even though it may not work with the PCS.
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This saw is quite a bit heavier than the K700S. Sheet metal parts, anyway, are heavier and so is the overarm blade guard.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
Re: Felder FB610 Fence Support problems

 

I had a similar problem with a pressure bar on a Powermatic planer in the 1980s. They sent 3 replacements and all were machined wrong. The jig they used was obviously bad. I think the Felder part is also miss machined and not adjustable.
Re: Christmas in November

 

The saw is up and running.
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The tech had some issues getting the blade brake and the PCS system to work, which was eventually traced to which leg of the three-phase current from my Phase Perfect connected to which input to the saw. It took him quite a bit longer than he had planned.
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Apparently the PCS is very sensitive to the conductivity of the saw blades. The system checks rejected a Tenryu blade. I have one Felder blade that works with the PCS, but it is a 400mm rough cut blade and the PCS does not like that if it is set low. I¡¯ll have to get a couple of additional Felder 350mm blades.
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Unfortunately none of the Felder blades except the rough cut blades will cut a flat-bottom slot. I will probably keep using my Amana blade that I had re-ground to cut a flat bottom, even though it may not work with the PCS.
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This saw is quite a bit heavier than the K700S. Sheet metal parts, anyway, are heavier and so is the overarm blade guard.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
Felder FB610 Fence Support problems

 

Hello FOG,
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I recently had Felder send a replacement fence support (sometimes referred to as a knuckle - the cast iron piece that rides the flat bar and holds the fence). What I found is that when tightened the fence is not square to the table. when I moved the fence to the other side of the knuckle (for when you use the fence on the right side of the blade) it also does not sit square and is in fact out of square the same amount but the opposite angle.
?
The replacement knuckle has the same (but worse) problem
?
I spent a lot of time making sure that:
?
  • The knuckle is sitting completely flat on the flat bar
  • The nylon screws are level and don¡¯t allow the knuckle to rock on the flat bar
  • The flat bar is perfectly parallel to the surface of the table
I had the same thing happen on my N4400 but it wasn¡¯t as bad. ?I ended up shimming by placing some painter tape on the lower milled surfaces where the fence contacts the knuckle. ?
?
Before anyone suggests I adjust this out by changing position of the flat bar - that didn¡¯t work and it causes the fence to ramp up and down (hitting the table) as it moves to and from the blade. That also makes the fence unstable unless you adjust the nylon screws every time you move the fence. ?I¡¯m sure that¡¯s not what the designers of the bandsaw intended. ?
?
I contend that when the flat bar is perfectly parallel to the table, and the knuckle is properly seated to the flat bar, the fence when tightened should be 90 degrees to the table.
?
Is anyone else experiencing this? Since the replacement knuckle exhibits the same problem I¡¯m guessing this is a systemic problem at the milling station at the factory (especially since the opposite sides of the knuckle (L/R) appear to be co-planar).
?
We shouldn¡¯t¡¯ have to shim the fence on a $6K bandsaw (or any Hammer/Felder bandsaw). ?It should be dead nuts square from the factory.?
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Regards,
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Ron
Re: Is the cross cut fence profile the same on Felder K700 and Hammer K3?

 

Thanks everyone! Brian, quite a few useful items in your printable collection, and thanks for sharing the zero clearance insert I was looking for to fit the K3.


On Wed, Dec 11 2024 at 4:47 am, Bram Baert <bram.baert@...> wrote:

On printables you can find a model for the Hammer extrusion
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You might find some other interesting things for the K3 in my C3-31 collection
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Regards
Bram
Re: Profil 45Z commission and setup

 

Thank you Mikelis, I¡¯ll check that?
Re: Is the cross cut fence profile the same on Felder K700 and Hammer K3?

 

On printables you can find a model for the Hammer extrusion
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You might find some other interesting things for the K3 in my C3-31 collection
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Regards
Bram
Re: FOR SALE: HOUFEK HB900 Oscillating Edge Sander

Mike D.
 



John:

When you find a buyer, I can help with a move, if necessary.

I don¡¯t have rigging, but I am resourceful.

Mike D.


On Monday, December 9, 2024, 13:15, John Renzetti via groups.io <jrenzetti1@...> wrote:

Hi all, As I'm not getting any younger I need to sell some machines that aren't getting much use and taking up space. I bought this machine, the Houfek HB900 from Adwood at the IWF around 2006. It's made in the Czech Republic.? ?It's seen very light use. It's 3ph 2hp and comes with the accessory tables shown. Also mounted on Zambus casters. Comes with some spare belts. Weighs about 350lbs. I'm not able to ship it so pickup in Chadds Ford PA. Asking $850.

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Mike D.
Annapolis, MD
AD951; K700S; N4400
Re: Is the cross cut fence profile the same on Felder K700 and Hammer K3?

 

The Hammer k3 and Felder extrusions are not the same. The hammer k3 unit is much less stout and requires a completely different zero clearance. There is a maker on Etsy that may help. He is also active on this?forum. He made me one, but I have yet to check its fitment.?

Hope this helps.
Horacio

On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 7:01?AM schneider.jonny via <schneider.jonny=[email protected]> wrote:
Eyeballing it, they appear similar, but always hard to know for sure.?
I want to 3D print a part that fits in the K700 fence extrusion¡ªa zero clearance insert.
I own a K3. Not sure if compatible, and it's never easy tryna track down this kind of information on the internet!

Thanks!
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