Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket

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I have??standard PF with Vario4 on KF700.?In 20+ yrs I believe couple of times the joints were not as tight as they needed to be while I was tilting. So I suggest locking the joint with memo pin miss aligned such that if any rotation occurs it is moving away from the pin as opposed to towards it.

I would also make sure that a repair kit to replace memo pin is available. In fact, I would buy one. The way my luck works, if I buy it I likely won’t need it ?

Imran Malik

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On Oct 31, 2024, at 6:56?AM, Andy via groups.io <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:

Thanks for the update!? I was watching this closely as I really like the smart stand features but didn’t know if it would work with the Felder tilt away bracket. Seems like an easy fix. Well done.?

On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 11:05?PM Alex Bowlds via <aabj=[email protected]> wrote:

OK, my plan worked. I was able to fabricate a 5/8" thick piece of steel to insert between the lift assist bracket and the tilting mount.? That provided just enough room to move the smart stand base so that the bolt holes lined up with those in the mount..

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Tilting the feeder is about the same as before in terms of difficulty.? I think I will try to attach an additional lift assist cylinder on the opposite side, or see if I can get a stronger one for the left side.

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BTW, it is imperative that one tightens down both of the swivel locks on the smart stand before. lowering it into saw mode.? Once down, the bottom of the feeder, now facing up, is a couple of inches below the table surface.? So, no need to lift the saw chassis.

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Thanks again for everyone's comments.

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Alex B.

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On 10/30/2024 10:11 AM PDT Alex Bowlds via <aabj=[email protected]> wrote:

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Tom, Patrick, Imran and Andy,

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Thanks for the prompt reply.? I reached out to Kyle at Shop Gear to see if he had a solution.? No luck there.? Tom's solution will certainly work.? I just can't bring myself to take a grinder to the stand base. ?

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I've elected to take upper assist strut bracket off the tilting mount.? I will make and install a 5/8" "shim" between the bracket and mount.? This should provide me with the clearance needed to move the stand over to line up the bolt holes.? I am also going to look into adding a second assist strut to the right side of the mount if the weight is too much. ?

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I am hoping the difference in the weight of the DC70 vs the Felder F48 will offset the weight difference between the smart stand and the older stand.? The DC70 is 45 pounds, while the F48 is 80 pounds.? I don't know the weight difference between the stands, but I doubt it is 35 pounds.? The other consideration is the fact that when raising and lowering, the bulk of the weight transfer is due to the feeder being at the end of the arm. ?

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I'm hoping for an overall better experience, not only from the raising and lowering aspect, but also from the ease of use of the Comatic over the Felder.? Comatic has a much better design for rotating between horizontal and vertical positions for the feeder.

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Thanks everyone for your comments,

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Alex B

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On 10/30/2024 6:43 AM PDT Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote:

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I have the dc40 with the regular stand and a gas strut assist. The gas strut really only helps you on the lower half of the swing/arc. Once you reach a certain point, it is all on you. It isnt?like im fighting for my life, but everytime i flip the feeder up i think to myself, "i dont think i will be able to do this on my own when im 70". I am 36.
Patrick

On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 9:05?AM Tom Gensmer via <tom=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Andy,?

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No worries, yeah the weight of the Smart Stand is such that, even with the gas strut, it feels like you're lifting the full weight of the stand, I can't imagine trying it without the gas strut. I suppose an enterprising individual could try to source a more robust strut, but then I'd worry about unanticipated consequences of transferring the load somewhere else....

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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN

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Re: File /General Information/BGHM_Shaper Training English.pdf uploaded #file-notice

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My friend was gracious enough to run the full 2016 BGHM document through Google Translate, I've uploaded to the FOG Files section here: /g/felderownersgroup/files/Articles%20&%20Reviews/Woodworking_Machines%20English.pdf?

I haven't had an opportunity to read through all of it quite yet, but from what I have read the machine translation generally makes sense.?

Thank you Tom Trees (and by extension Joe Calhoon) for mentioning the document in a different thread.

Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN

Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket

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Thanks for the update!? I was watching this closely as I really like the smart stand features but didn’t know if it would work with the Felder tilt away bracket. Seems like an easy fix. Well done.?

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On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 11:05?PM Alex Bowlds via <aabj=[email protected]> wrote:

OK, my plan worked. I was able to fabricate a 5/8" thick piece of steel to insert between the lift assist bracket and the tilting mount.? That provided just enough room to move the smart stand base so that the bolt holes lined up with those in the mount..

?

Tilting the feeder is about the same as before in terms of difficulty.? I think I will try to attach an additional lift assist cylinder on the opposite side, or see if I can get a stronger one for the left side.

?

BTW, it is imperative that one tightens down both of the swivel locks on the smart stand before. lowering it into saw mode.? Once down, the bottom of the feeder, now facing up, is a couple of inches below the table surface.? So, no need to lift the saw chassis.

?

Thanks again for everyone's comments.

?

Alex B.

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On 10/30/2024 10:11 AM PDT Alex Bowlds via <aabj=[email protected]> wrote:

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?

Tom, Patrick, Imran and Andy,

?

Thanks for the prompt reply.? I reached out to Kyle at Shop Gear to see if he had a solution.? No luck there.? Tom's solution will certainly work.? I just can't bring myself to take a grinder to the stand base. ?

?

I've elected to take upper assist strut bracket off the tilting mount.? I will make and install a 5/8" "shim" between the bracket and mount.? This should provide me with the clearance needed to move the stand over to line up the bolt holes.? I am also going to look into adding a second assist strut to the right side of the mount if the weight is too much. ?

?

I am hoping the difference in the weight of the DC70 vs the Felder F48 will offset the weight difference between the smart stand and the older stand.? The DC70 is 45 pounds, while the F48 is 80 pounds.? I don't know the weight difference between the stands, but I doubt it is 35 pounds.? The other consideration is the fact that when raising and lowering, the bulk of the weight transfer is due to the feeder being at the end of the arm. ?

?

I'm hoping for an overall better experience, not only from the raising and lowering aspect, but also from the ease of use of the Comatic over the Felder.? Comatic has a much better design for rotating between horizontal and vertical positions for the feeder.

?

Thanks everyone for your comments,

?

Alex B

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On 10/30/2024 6:43 AM PDT Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote:

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I have the dc40 with the regular stand and a gas strut assist. The gas strut really only helps you on the lower half of the swing/arc. Once you reach a certain point, it is all on you. It isnt?like im fighting for my life, but everytime i flip the feeder up i think to myself, "i dont think i will be able to do this on my own when im 70". I am 36.
Patrick

On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 9:05?AM Tom Gensmer via <tom=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Andy,?

?

No worries, yeah the weight of the Smart Stand is such that, even with the gas strut, it feels like you're lifting the full weight of the stand, I can't imagine trying it without the gas strut. I suppose an enterprising individual could try to source a more robust strut, but then I'd worry about unanticipated consequences of transferring the load somewhere else....

--

Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN

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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket

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OK, my plan worked. I was able to fabricate a 5/8" thick piece of steel to insert between the lift assist bracket and the tilting mount. ?That provided just enough room to move the smart stand base so that the bolt holes lined up with those in the mount..

Tilting the feeder is about the same as before in terms of difficulty. ?I think I will try to attach an additional lift assist cylinder on the opposite side, or see if I can get a stronger one for the left side.

BTW, it is imperative that one tightens down both of the swivel locks on the smart stand before. lowering it into saw mode. ?Once down, the bottom of the feeder, now facing up, is a couple of inches below the table surface. ?So, no need to lift the saw chassis.

Thanks again for everyone's comments.

Alex B.

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On 10/30/2024 10:11 AM PDT Alex Bowlds via groups.io <aabj@...> wrote:

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?

Tom, Patrick, Imran and Andy,

?

Thanks for the prompt reply. ?I reached out to Kyle at Shop Gear to see if he had a solution. ?No luck there. ?Tom's solution will certainly work. ?I just can't bring myself to take a grinder to the stand base. ?

?

I've elected to take upper assist strut bracket off the tilting mount. ?I will make and install a 5/8" "shim" between the bracket and mount. ?This should provide me with the clearance needed to move the stand over to line up the bolt holes. ?I am also going to look into adding a second assist strut to the right side of the mount if the weight is too much. ?

?

I am hoping the difference in the weight of the DC70 vs the Felder F48 will offset the weight difference between the smart stand and the older stand. ?The DC70 is 45 pounds, while the F48 is 80 pounds. ?I don't know the weight difference between the stands, but I doubt it is 35 pounds. ?The other consideration is the fact that when raising and lowering, the bulk of the weight transfer is due to the feeder being at the end of the arm. ?

?

I'm hoping for an overall better experience, not only from the raising and lowering aspect, but also from the ease of use of the Comatic over the Felder. ?Comatic has a much better design for rotating between horizontal and vertical positions for the feeder.

?

Thanks everyone for your comments,

?

Alex B

?

On 10/30/2024 6:43 AM PDT Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote:

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?

I have the dc40 with the regular stand and a gas strut assist. The gas strut really only helps you on the lower half of the swing/arc. Once you reach a certain point, it is all on you. It isnt?like im fighting for my life, but everytime i flip the feeder up i think to myself, "i dont think i will be able to do this on my own when im 70". I am 36.
Patrick

On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 9:05?AM Tom Gensmer via <tom=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Andy,?

?

No worries, yeah the weight of the Smart Stand is such that, even with the gas strut, it feels like you're lifting the full weight of the stand, I can't imagine trying it without the gas strut. I suppose an enterprising individual could try to source a more robust strut, but then I'd worry about unanticipated consequences of transferring the load somewhere else....

--

Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN

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Re: Felder Disintegrating Hose

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?What a pain to install the short hose for under the spindle dust collection on KF700. I did spend some time to find 80 mm hose but did not find much other than Felder and McMaster Carr. I went with McMaster Carr which is less flexible than the typical spiral hose.

Blo-R-Vac Flexible Duct Hose for Dust, Black TPR Rubber, 80mm ID, 86mm OD

https://www.mcmaster.com/53335K64

I will make a long story short. After trying multiple times unsuccessfully, including removing the under spindle collection basket and attaching the hose to it first, I decided to remove the dust port on the chassis and while it took some time to do so, the hose install went without a hitch. Here is the hose installed between the collection basket and the external port.

I think a flexible spiral hose would have been much simpler. Actual distance the hose needs to span is 3” and then another 2” (1” for each port) to slide onto the ports.

The biggest obstacle in removing the external dust collection port is the access to the top 2 of the 4 mounting screws. This is under the plastic cover on my machine. This required me to remove the cover. I had to remove 2 studs at the bottom of the tilt bracket to be able to slide the cove out. Would be a lot easier on machine without a tilt bracket. Mine is a 2002 KF700. Here is a pic as newer machines are likely different.

Imran Malik

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On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:44?PM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:

?Major or minor? All in the eyes of the beholder. It was a major pain in the ass to fix, especially with no guidance or assistance from the manufacturer.

Just sayin’

Chris Rozycki?

On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:33?PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:

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Chris, I am sure you can make just as good a product as Felder on your Hammer. Just have to deal with some minor annoyances ?

Imran Malik

On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:28?PM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:

?Thanks Imran!
I guess that’s what I get for buying a $15,000 hobby horse instead of a real horse ?! My bad!
Chris Rozycki?

On Oct 28, 2024, at 11:50?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:

?Bill Belanger of fog may be able to help!
Mac,,
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:49?AM, mac campshure <mac512002@...> wrote:

?Paul on the side of the pond are use air handling contact is Kae?

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martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell
airtightclamps@...

Designing and building for 50 years

On Oct 28, 2024, at 10:24?AM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:

?How hard would it be to design and make a rectangular-to-round, metal, flexible adapter for the Felder/ Hammer saws that would simplify the transition and replacement? And why don’t these really expensive saws come already equipped with that connector?? Seems like a really flawed design by Felder. Am I missing something??
Chris Rozycki?
Hammer C3-31 owner
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:57?AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?I purchased a 5” spiral hose from woodcraft which was the least flexible but super heavy duty.

This is what I use on the saw and since the blade swings to 45, it is very helpful that it is flexible and collapsible. At least if it doesn’t fit the bill it can be returned easily.

Imran Malik

On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:37?AM, Jarrett Maxwell via groups.io <j.a.max7@...> wrote:

Hey Paul,?

I recently purchased 4" dust hose from woodcraft that was surprisingly flexible. You may check their offerings to see what's available.?

Jarrett

On Mon, Oct 28, 2024, 8:26?AM Paul Mc Cann via <tpmccann=[email protected]> wrote:

Just a word of warning. I had a long length of Felder hose on my CF731. After it failed I bought a similar spec locally but it was too inflexible. So I ordered a replacement from Felder and it turned out also to be very inflexible? despite the website claiming otherwise. I have still to source a suitable supplier

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Paul Mc Cann