Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
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No worries, yeah the weight of the Smart Stand is such that, even with the gas strut, it feels like you're lifting the full weight of the stand, I can't imagine trying it without the gas strut. I suppose an enterprising individual could try to source a more robust strut, but then I'd worry about unanticipated consequences of transferring the load somewhere else....
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Hi Laurie,
Not sure if you are interested in trouble shooting. It is hard to guide people remotely and many times requires 2 people. So I suggest you replace K1. From schematic it appears that your machine is from around 2007.
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On Oct 30, 2024, at 6:50?AM, Laurie Lewis via groups.io <laurielewisofcalgary@...> wrote: ? This is the schematic in the user manual. On Tue, Oct 29, 2024, 10:27 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Laurie,
Thanks for confirming. This is an interesting anomaly. German is fine but need schematic to offer any assistance.? On Oct 29, 2024, at 11:46?PM, Laurie Lewis via <laurielewisofcalgary= [email protected]> wrote: ? When the stop button is pressed, the speed slows slightly but then returns to the normal operating speed for 5 to 10 seconds and then the motor reduces speed and stops.? If I press and hold the red button continuously, it makes no difference.? It actually seems to extend the time before the machine stops.? I have the original user manual and there is some type of schematic in the back of the manual but all of the writing is in german.? On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:16?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Can you confirm that it increases in speed or just does not continue to slow down. Thought being, that the brake is kicking out after a short time.? If it is indeed increasing in speed then I need to look at the schematic.? If you have one you can share high resolution pics. Make sure you are able to read lettering etc when you zoom in.
One thing you can try is to keep the red button pressed continuously to see if it makes any difference. On Oct 29, 2024, at 5:22?PM, Laurie Lewis via <laurielewisofcalgary= [email protected]> wrote: ? Recently my CF531 has exhibited a delay in stopping.? When I press the stop button, the machine begins to slow down but then increases in speed and I have to wait 5 to 10 seconds before the machine stops completely.? This is the case for all of the combination machine functions.? Does anyone know why this is happening and how I might correct the problem.??
Thanks, Laurie Lewis
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
Perhaps I should have looked again at the pictures to answer my own question. Duh. Disregard that email.?
The modifications look easy enough.?
Hey Tom
I¡¯m looking at this setup right now. You mention the assembly is heavy, do you have the gas shock option installed? ? Hi Alex,?
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I did some hunting and was able to track down some photos of the modifications I made to the Smart Stand to fit on the Felder tilt bracket.?
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Reviewing the photos, it looks like in addition to removing material from the side, I also removed a little material from the rear, presumably to prevent it from hanging up on the tilt bracket body when swung into the lower position.?
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I hope these photos are helpful.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
Hey Tom
I¡¯m looking at this setup right now. You mention the assembly is heavy, do you have the gas shock option installed? ?
Hi Alex,?
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I did some hunting and was able to track down some photos of the modifications I made to the Smart Stand to fit on the Felder tilt bracket.?
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Reviewing the photos, it looks like in addition to removing material from the side, I also removed a little material from the rear, presumably to prevent it from hanging up on the tilt bracket body when swung into the lower position.?
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I hope these photos are helpful.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
Hi Alex,?
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I did some hunting and was able to track down some photos of the modifications I made to the Smart Stand to fit on the Felder tilt bracket.?
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Reviewing the photos, it looks like in addition to removing material from the side, I also removed a little material from the rear, presumably to prevent it from hanging up on the tilt bracket body when swung into the lower position.?
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I hope these photos are helpful.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
Hi Alex,?
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I did modify a DS400 to fit on the Felder tilt bracket for my KF700SP. I don't think I have any photos, but I took an angle grinder to the base and removed some material from the one side that was interacting with the pneumatic cylinder plate. My memory is that removing the cast iron material from the base on just the one side was sufficient to allow installation, without any loss in strength or stability.?
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That being said, I found that the DS400 was meaningfully more heavy than a normal DC40. I'm 45 years old, 6'2" tall, ~200 lbs, and it was a workout for me to swing the power feeder into position. Not a problem if you're planning on leaving it up most of the time, but I'd really give it some careful thought if you're planning on swinging it up and down with any regularity.?
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Lastly, I found that the Smart Stand is tall enough that it rested on the ground when swung into the lower position, so if you opt to keep it you may need to jack up your KF700SP a couple inches, and may still need a rubber pad for the stand to rest on since I don't know how well the Felder bracket will hold up to the weight.?
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All of the above being said, the Smart Stand is a pleasure to work with, I'm really enjoying using it on my TF-130.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Laurie - As other posts here have mentioned, Google translate or a decent German-English dictionary is a good part of the Felder/Hammer tool kit.
Good luck with this, Imran is pretty savvy about the electrical troubleshooting.
On my C3 combi machine, the braking circuit has a distinctive 'buzz' when it is braking the system.
I need to shut off the dust collector and remove ear protection to hear it, but the buzz may tell you if the brake is working. ???? -Rich M.
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This is the schematic in the user manual.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2024, 10:27 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Laurie,
Thanks for confirming. This is an interesting anomaly. German is fine but need schematic to offer any assistance.? On Oct 29, 2024, at 11:46?PM, Laurie Lewis via <laurielewisofcalgary= [email protected]> wrote: ? When the stop button is pressed, the speed slows slightly but then returns to the normal operating speed for 5 to 10 seconds and then the motor reduces speed and stops.? If I press and hold the red button continuously, it makes no difference.? It actually seems to extend the time before the machine stops.? I have the original user manual and there is some type of schematic in the back of the manual but all of the writing is in german.? On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:16?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Can you confirm that it increases in speed or just does not continue to slow down. Thought being, that the brake is kicking out after a short time.? If it is indeed increasing in speed then I need to look at the schematic.? If you have one you can share high resolution pics. Make sure you are able to read lettering etc when you zoom in.
One thing you can try is to keep the red button pressed continuously to see if it makes any difference. On Oct 29, 2024, at 5:22?PM, Laurie Lewis via <laurielewisofcalgary= [email protected]> wrote: ? Recently my CF531 has exhibited a delay in stopping.? When I press the stop button, the machine begins to slow down but then increases in speed and I have to wait 5 to 10 seconds before the machine stops completely.? This is the case for all of the combination machine functions.? Does anyone know why this is happening and how I might correct the problem.??
Thanks, Laurie Lewis
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Re: File /General Information/BGHM_Shaper Training English.pdf uploaded
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On this page there is the original document in German:
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https://www.bghm.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Seminare/Holzbranche/TSM-Web_BG_96.18.pdf
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Laurie,
Thanks for confirming. This is an interesting anomaly. German is fine but need schematic to offer any assistance.?
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On Oct 29, 2024, at 11:46?PM, Laurie Lewis via groups.io <laurielewisofcalgary@...> wrote: ? When the stop button is pressed, the speed slows slightly but then returns to the normal operating speed for 5 to 10 seconds and then the motor reduces speed and stops.? If I press and hold the red button continuously, it makes no difference.? It actually seems to extend the time before the machine stops.? I have the original user manual and there is some type of schematic in the back of the manual but all of the writing is in german.? On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:16?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Can you confirm that it increases in speed or just does not continue to slow down. Thought being, that the brake is kicking out after a short time.? If it is indeed increasing in speed then I need to look at the schematic.? If you have one you can share high resolution pics. Make sure you are able to read lettering etc when you zoom in.
One thing you can try is to keep the red button pressed continuously to see if it makes any difference. On Oct 29, 2024, at 5:22?PM, Laurie Lewis via <laurielewisofcalgary= [email protected]> wrote: ? Recently my CF531 has exhibited a delay in stopping.? When I press the stop button, the machine begins to slow down but then increases in speed and I have to wait 5 to 10 seconds before the machine stops completely.? This is the case for all of the combination machine functions.? Does anyone know why this is happening and how I might correct the problem.??
Thanks, Laurie Lewis
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When the stop button is pressed, the speed slows slightly but then returns to the normal operating speed for 5 to 10 seconds and then the motor reduces speed and stops.? If I press and hold the red button continuously, it makes no difference.? It actually seems to extend the time before the machine stops.? I have the original user manual and there is some type of schematic in the back of the manual but all of the writing is in german.?
On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:16?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Can you confirm that it increases in speed or just does not continue to slow down. Thought being, that the brake is kicking out after a short time.? If it is indeed increasing in speed then I need to look at the schematic.? If you have one you can share high resolution pics. Make sure you are able to read lettering etc when you zoom in.
One thing you can try is to keep the red button pressed continuously to see if it makes any difference. On Oct 29, 2024, at 5:22?PM, Laurie Lewis via <laurielewisofcalgary= [email protected]> wrote: ? Recently my CF531 has exhibited a delay in stopping.? When I press the stop button, the machine begins to slow down but then increases in speed and I have to wait 5 to 10 seconds before the machine stops completely.? This is the case for all of the combination machine functions.? Does anyone know why this is happening and how I might correct the problem.??
Thanks, Laurie Lewis
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
Hi Imran,
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Thanks for the reply. ?I did reach out to Kyle at Shop Gear to see if perhaps they had an alternative base for the smart stand. ?I didn't see anything on the website, but one never knows. ?I expect an answer tomorrow. ?I had hoped this would be a simple 1 to 2 hour project. ?Remove one old stand and feeder, and install the new. ?Just a few bolts and done. ?I should know better. ?
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Looking closer at the tilt mount, I think I will be able to make and install a 1/2" thick shim to offset the bracket that is causing the interference. ?That should allow the bolt patterns to align.
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I will be able to make the shim easily enough. ?The tough part will be finding the correct length bolts. ?If that fails, I can make an adapter plate that will end up raising the stand the thickness of the plate, and offsetting the feeder a little closer to the front of the saw/shaper. ?
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I'll still be interested to find out if anyone else has attempted to make this work.
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Alex B.
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On 10/29/2024 7:41 PM PDT imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Hi Alex,
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I was on quest of figuring this out but no one here, that I recall has confirmed. I thought Kyle (Shopgear) mentioned that someone did. Have you asked him?
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Locking levers are large so easy to lock well. I don¡¯t have a good memory but recall besides total weight, damage to memory pin was the concern. I probably would prefer disengaging the pin and then lock because I am not sure if pin is engaged, it is easy to tell if there is any force on it (accidentally). Not in shop so I hope I am not telling anything wrong.
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Finally, as you probably have noticed, SS is shorter than what you are replacing, at least the horizontal arm is lower, IIRC. So before you drill for mounting, determine if you need a transition to elevate. This will solve the issue of bolt pattern not matching as well.
On Oct 29, 2024, at 10:12?PM, Alex Bowlds via groups.io <aabj@...> wrote:
I got tired of fighting the Felder F48 power feeder. ?Very heavy and awkward to switch from horizontal to vertical feeding. ?So I purchased a Comatic DC70 with the smart stand. ?In error, I assumed the bases of the stands would all be similar. ?To my chagrin, I found the base of the smart stand will not bolt up to the plate on the tilting mount of my KF700SP. ?
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I understand the weight considerations. ?The smart stand is heavier than the old stand, while the new feeder is considerably lighter than the F48. ?And I can remember to lock the memory feature on the smart stand before swinging it out of the way.
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So, to my question(s). ?Has anyone else attempted to mount a smart stand to the tilting base? ?If so, what modifications did you make? ?As you can see, part of the tilting mount interferes with the stand base, preventing it from being centered on the mount. ?Thanks for any suggestions.
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Re: Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
Hi Alex,
I was on quest of figuring this out but no one here, that I recall has confirmed. I thought Kyle (Shopgear) mentioned that someone did. Have you asked him?
Locking levers are large so easy to lock well. I don¡¯t have a good memory but recall besides total weight, damage to memory pin was the concern. I probably would prefer disengaging the pin and then lock because I am not sure if pin is engaged, it is easy to tell if there is any force on it (accidentally). Not in shop so I hope I am not telling anything wrong.
Finally, as you probably have noticed, SS is shorter than what you are replacing, at least the horizontal arm is lower, IIRC. So before you drill for mounting, determine if you need a transition to elevate. This will solve the issue of bolt pattern not matching as well.
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On Oct 29, 2024, at 10:12?PM, Alex Bowlds via groups.io <aabj@...> wrote: ? I got tired of fighting the Felder F48 power feeder. ?Very heavy and awkward to switch from horizontal to vertical feeding. ?So I purchased a Comatic DC70 with the smart stand. ?In error, I assumed the bases of the stands would all be similar. ?To my chagrin, I found the base of the smart stand will not bolt up to the plate on the tilting mount of my KF700SP. ?
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I understand the weight considerations. ?The smart stand is heavier than the old stand, while the new feeder is considerably lighter than the F48. ?And I can remember to lock the memory feature on the smart stand before swinging it out of the way.
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So, to my question(s). ?Has anyone else attempted to mount a smart stand to the tilting base? ?If so, what modifications did you make? ?As you can see, part of the tilting mount interferes with the stand base, preventing it from being centered on the mount. ?Thanks for any suggestions.
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Alex B.
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Adding smart stand with DC70 to tilt bracket
I got tired of fighting the Felder F48 power feeder. ?Very heavy and awkward to switch from horizontal to vertical feeding. ?So I purchased a Comatic DC70 with the smart stand. ?In error, I assumed the bases of the stands would all be similar. ?To my chagrin, I found the base of the smart stand will not bolt up to the plate on the tilting mount of my KF700SP. ?
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I understand the weight considerations. ?The smart stand is heavier than the old stand, while the new feeder is considerably lighter than the F48. ?And I can remember to lock the memory feature on the smart stand before swinging it out of the way.
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So, to my question(s). ?Has anyone else attempted to mount a smart stand to the tilting base? ?If so, what modifications did you make? ?As you can see, part of the tilting mount interferes with the stand base, preventing it from being centered on the mount. ?Thanks for any suggestions.
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Alex B.
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Thank you David,?
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I just uploaded the full translated document, I haven't had a chance to review, but looks like good info on shapers, sliding table saws, band saws, etc...?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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I did something rash, and ordered a new Format-4 Kappa 450X. It is currently on a ship near Guatemala, headed for Oakland, CA. It should be in Boise by the end of November.
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Now I need to sell my K700S to make room for the new saw. Please reach out if you are thinking of purchasing one - this one is in excellent shape. I am a hobby woodworker, and this saw has seen little use since it was commissioned three years ago.
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* 10-ft sliding table
* 49¡± wide rip capacity
* 4 HP, 220V motor
* Separate motor for scoring blade ¨C adjustable scoring blade included
* Overhead guard and dust collector
* Dado capable
* 1500 mm outrigger with crosscut fence. Crosscut fence telescopes to 2600 mm
* Separate short crosscut fence included
* Lamb Tool Works Digital Readout stop on the outrigger fence
* Micro adjuster and Digital Readout on rip fence
$11,500
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Re: Advice about spraying unit for light metals on slider
I don't think I have ever heard mention of someone getting that option on a Felder, so finding out how it works is going to be up to direct questions from Felder, and that's if they know....
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Tuesday, October 29, 2024 at 03:19:44 PM MST, Michael Wolf <missingeggacct@...> wrote:
Thanks Brian, I'll take a look.? One of my questions was whether or not the spray attachment is designed for MQL, or whether it makes a real mess.? I see that SCM's equivalent option is described as "Device for the blade micro-lubrication", which sounds a lot more like MQL coolant than some kind of flood system.? In the Felder catalog, I don't see any description for the K900/700 series machines.? In the Format section of the catalog, I see a picture of a very small spray head with a description of "High performance lubricating oil can be sprayed directly onto the saw blade", which indicates lubrication is the goal, not cooling, and thus implies the volume of oil (and thus mess) is small.
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Re: Advice about spraying unit for light metals on slider
Thanks Brian, I'll take a look.? One of my questions was whether or not the spray attachment is designed for MQL, or whether it makes a real mess.? I see that SCM's equivalent option is described as "Device for the blade micro-lubrication", which sounds a lot more like MQL coolant than some kind of flood system.? In the Felder catalog, I don't see any description for the K900/700 series machines.? In the Format section of the catalog, I see a picture of a very small spray head with a description of "High performance lubricating oil can be sprayed directly onto the saw blade", which indicates lubrication is the goal, not cooling, and thus implies the volume of oil (and thus mess) is small.
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Can you confirm that it increases in speed or just does not continue to slow down. Thought being, that the brake is kicking out after a short time. ?If it is indeed increasing in speed then I need to look at the schematic.? If you have one you can share high resolution pics. Make sure you are able to read lettering etc when you zoom in.
One thing you can try is to keep the red button pressed continuously to see if it makes any difference.
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On Oct 29, 2024, at 5:22?PM, Laurie Lewis via groups.io <laurielewisofcalgary@...> wrote: ? Recently my CF531 has exhibited a delay in stopping.? When I press the stop button, the machine begins to slow down but then increases in speed and I have to wait 5 to 10 seconds before the machine stops completely.? This is the case for all of the combination machine functions.? Does anyone know why this is happening and how I might correct the problem.??
Thanks, Laurie Lewis
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Tom Gensmer
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