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Did you read my previous post - ?I linked to it in my first reply. ?They come up on eBay about every 2 years. ?
You could also consider this. ?I have one of these too. ?Make me an offer:
David Best
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On Jun 15, 2024, at 4:16?AM, stevensivak via groups.io <stevensivak@...> wrote:
Not on their website- ?seems like it is NLA
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Not on their website- ?seems like it is NLA
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That¡¯s easy. ?Bridge City Tool Angle Master Pro. ?It¡¯s the tool I have and use for this kind of thing. ??Watch this - skip to 1:00 in the timeline. ? |
Here's a screen shot from my iPhone app that goes along with it.
Or you can use the web interface: ?https://bridgecitytools.com/pages/anglemaster
My previous post about this is here: ?/g/felderownersgroup/message/121334
David Best
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On Jun 15, 2024, at 3:51?AM, stevensivak via groups.io <stevensivak@...> wrote:
My first project with the SCM combo unit will be the making of a wooden soccer ball which is made up of hexagons and pentagons with very precise mitre cuts for the joints. The guy whose U-Tube video I am following gives those angles to three decimal points! What is the most accurate angle finder out there- regardless of cost. All I see are these $30 devices which seem to be made in the same factories with different labels on them... thanks!
You have the Mitutoyo protractor which are super accurate (but the once who will give you 0.01deg resolution costs over $1000)
Before getting such an expensive protector I would probably use the less accurate devices that will give you ~0.1 deg accuracy and made the cuts 5/6 times on a scrap and see if the align to an hexagon and make the micro adjustment there?
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My first project with the SCM combo unit will be the making of a wooden soccer ball which is made up of hexagons and pentagons with very precise mitre cuts for the joints. The guy whose U-Tube video I am following gives those angles to three decimal points! What is the most accurate angle finder out there- regardless of cost. All I see are these $30 devices which seem to be made in the same factories with different labels on them... thanks!
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Brian,
Thanks for the update. It looks really impressive machine.
Imran, there is an extension table SCM sales for the planer, though the user needs to drill it. From the spec of the machine:
77.74.03 Thicknessing table extension to be used in infeed or outfeed
(520 x 500 mm dimensions)
It can be installed on the table end side.
Attention: drilling on site by ?the customer is required for installation on the table
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To lock or not lock any J/P unit. Specifically A341.
So between this group and some great threads on Sawmill Creek finally got my A341 dialed in. I really feel like I¡¯ve gotten to know the machine absolutely inside and out. But after all this fiddling around, it makes me wonder am I best served not keeping the Jointer tables not locked down when not use? For example when my band saw is not in use I always release the tension on the wheels. J/P units have tension on their beds by design so I¡¯m just kind of wondering.?
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Very nice. Felder better get their act together and ship machines that work straight out of the box. I do not recall making any adjustments to my 2002 KF700. So not sure if we hear the bad news here but not as many success stories.
Since they machined holes at the ends of jointer tables they must work with some system. I use ext. tables all the times and do like to leave the 500mm one on planer outfeed. Allows me to casually catch the long pieces. BTW, if you dimension board width on the planer check out if you roller support will go low enough for a 6¡± or 8¡± board on its edge. I had to cut the inner telescoping tubes (roller is mounted to this) on 2 of my rollers to ensure they will go low enough.
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On Jun 14, 2024, at 7:47?PM, Brian via groups.io <brian.milidrag@...> wrote: ? Hi Imran,
The finish is as good if not better than any I¡¯ve seen. Once I got the Cosmoline off I used a green scuff pad and a random orbital with WD40 on all three tables. That really did the trick!?
There are Two holes machined on both infeed and outfeed tables but not on the planer table¡not sure what is available from manufacturer or tier two suppliers. I could not find anything from the manufacturer. Kind regards,Brian D. Milidrag
On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 6:59?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks for the update Brian. I see that fence is secured, for lack of better word, in a traditional manner. This means you should be able to attach extension table to the jointer infeed I see couple of holes for Aigner style mounting bar. Is this true and is the same true for the jointer and planer outfeed?
How are the tables finished? Any closeup pics? ? Netanel,? So all set up and I¡¯ve been running some stock through my SCM FS41ES. It is lovely! Everything works as it should and no evidence of any snipe in either jointing or planing, and a great finish is the result. I did get the Zylent head.? There was no adjustment needed though I did have to open the control panel (with the guidance of SCM support, and reset the main because the cutter block would not initially start. Again, I can¡¯t say enough nice things about Bryan Feese from 360 Degree Machinery for his help and of course our own David Best for his sage advice! Also always helpful is Imran who actually sent his machine clips to Texas where the seller of my ¡°new¡± K700S was located! Kind regards,Brian D. Milidrag
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 4:52?PM netanel.belgazal via <netanel.belgazal= [email protected]> wrote: Glad to hear you got your machine.?
Did you had to adjust the machine or it came calibrated?
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Hi Imran,
The finish is as good if not better than any I¡¯ve seen. Once I got the Cosmoline off I used a green scuff pad and a random orbital with WD40 on all three tables. That really did the trick!?
There are Two holes machined on both infeed and outfeed tables but not on the planer table¡not sure what is available from manufacturer or tier two suppliers. I could not find anything from the manufacturer. Kind regards,Brian D. Milidrag
On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 6:59?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks for the update Brian. I see that fence is secured, for lack of better word, in a traditional manner. This means you should be able to attach extension table to the jointer infeed I see couple of holes for Aigner style mounting bar. Is this true and is the same true for the jointer and planer outfeed?
How are the tables finished? Any closeup pics? ? Netanel,? So all set up and I¡¯ve been running some stock through my SCM FS41ES. It is lovely! Everything works as it should and no evidence of any snipe in either jointing or planing, and a great finish is the result. I did get the Zylent head.? There was no adjustment needed though I did have to open the control panel (with the guidance of SCM support, and reset the main because the cutter block would not initially start. Again, I can¡¯t say enough nice things about Bryan Feese from 360 Degree Machinery for his help and of course our own David Best for his sage advice! Also always helpful is Imran who actually sent his machine clips to Texas where the seller of my ¡°new¡± K700S was located! Kind regards,Brian D. Milidrag
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 4:52?PM netanel.belgazal via <netanel.belgazal= [email protected]> wrote: Glad to hear you got your machine.?
Did you had to adjust the machine or it came calibrated?
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Thanks for the update Brian. I see that fence is secured, for lack of better word, in a traditional manner. This means you should be able to attach extension table to the jointer infeed I see couple of holes for Aigner style mounting bar. Is this true and is the same true for the jointer and planer outfeed?
How are the tables finished? Any closeup pics?
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On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:40?PM, Brian via groups.io <brian.milidrag@...> wrote: ? Netanel,? So all set up and I¡¯ve been running some stock through my SCM FS41ES. It is lovely! Everything works as it should and no evidence of any snipe in either jointing or planing, and a great finish is the result. I did get the Zylent head.? There was no adjustment needed though I did have to open the control panel (with the guidance of SCM support, and reset the main because the cutter block would not initially start. Again, I can¡¯t say enough nice things about Bryan Feese from 360 Degree Machinery for his help and of course our own David Best for his sage advice! Also always helpful is Imran who actually sent his machine clips to Texas where the seller of my ¡°new¡± K700S was located! Kind regards,Brian D. Milidrag
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 4:52?PM netanel.belgazal via <netanel.belgazal= [email protected]> wrote: Glad to hear you got your machine.?
Did you had to adjust the machine or it came calibrated?
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Netanel,? So all set up and I¡¯ve been running some stock through my SCM FS41ES. It is lovely! Everything works as it should and no evidence of any snipe in either jointing or planing, and a great finish is the result. I did get the Zylent head.? There was no adjustment needed though I did have to open the control panel (with the guidance of SCM support, and reset the main because the cutter block would not initially start. Again, I can¡¯t say enough nice things about Bryan Feese from 360 Degree Machinery for his help and of course our own David Best for his sage advice! Also always helpful is Imran who actually sent his machine clips to Texas where the seller of my ¡°new¡± K700S was located! Kind regards,Brian D. Milidrag
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 4:52?PM netanel.belgazal via <netanel.belgazal= [email protected]> wrote:
Glad to hear you got your machine.?
Did you had to adjust the machine or it came calibrated?
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Re: CF741 Planer/Jointer grinding noise
Pierre,
Sorry to hear of your issue. The only thing I can think of is to rotate the cutter head (complete power off on machine) and hear for any such noise.
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On Jun 14, 2024, at 4:53?PM, pierre.bourassa via groups.io <pierre.bourassa@...> wrote: ?I have been using my CF741 since last November and used the planer/jointer extensively. Earlier this week while jointing a piece of Hemlock, it started to make a high pitched grinding noise. When I manually rotate the cutter block I can hear the noise as if a piece of metal is loose and touches the mechanism. The image is from a video, but I can't seem to be able to include a video on the topic. <65BB748F-A894-476E-BFE6-0E0F5EE7441A_1_102_o.jpeg> After opening a ticket with Felder Canada they suggested that I opened the machine to see if I could locate the flywheel. There is not much I could reach by opening the ends of the machine and it looks like the motor is connected on the back side of the machine which on the CF741 happens to be the saw/shaper so no access. I am guessing that one has to dissasemble the 2 machines in order to get access to the problem. This is probably the worst area to have issue with the CF741 and looks like a serious drawback with a combination machine... Felder Service is planning to send a technician middle of July, so a month to wait. And if there is a broken part, then I can't imagine how long before it gets fixed...? I honestly never expected to have issues with such an expensive machine and kind of regret buying it. Hopefully this is not a common issue to have such defects on an almost brand new machine! So if someone has an idea on how to check for the issue and see if there is a broken part it would really accelerate the repair process.
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CF741 Planer/Jointer grinding noise
I have been using my CF741 since last November and used the planer/jointer extensively. Earlier this week while jointing a piece of Hemlock, it started to make a high pitched grinding noise. When I manually rotate the cutter block I can hear the noise as if a piece of metal is loose and touches the mechanism. The image is from a video, but I can't seem to be able to include a video on the topic.  After opening a ticket with Felder Canada they suggested that I opened the machine to see if I could locate the flywheel. There is not much I could reach by opening the ends of the machine and it looks like the motor is connected on the back side of the machine which on the CF741 happens to be the saw/shaper so no access. I am guessing that one has to dissasemble the 2 machines in order to get access to the problem. This is probably the worst area to have issue with the CF741 and looks like a serious drawback with a combination machine... Felder Service is planning to send a technician middle of July, so a month to wait. And if there is a broken part, then I can't imagine how long before it gets fixed...? I honestly never expected to have issues with such an expensive machine and kind of regret buying it. Hopefully this is not a common issue to have such defects on an almost brand new machine! So if someone has an idea on how to check for the issue and see if there is a broken part it would really accelerate the repair process.
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Re: LOOKING FOR PLANER / JOINTER COMBO
Thanks for that Tom, but I took a deposit last week and it¡¯s sold!
D
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Re: FB710 bandsaw and Laguna Resaw king 25mm blade
Thanks Tom, very informative group, thanks for the two references and your note. Will give it a bit of extra tension and see how it goes.
On the tensioning side, what is the guidance on releasing tension when not in use, I use it almost daily when in the shop, mainly for rip cuts, should I de tension over night..to remove load on spring?
Have a great day
Colum
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Here's a foolproof method of wheel and motor alignment which you could try,
with a stout old/damaged blade in which won't overhang the edges of the wheels.
(This will compress the set on regular blades, if there's no camber of the tires, as will playing by the rules, i.e teeth overhanging with such a profile)
It would show up the shortcomings of all bandsaws designed today,
seeing as they don't make anything like the fully adjustable Centauro, Meber and Sagittario saws from the later 80's to the early 90's, it's no surprise you won't come across any troubleshooting guide worth it's salt.
   
One could do the same thing with a pen laser mounted onto the wheel shafts,
and perhaps not even need to remove the table.
I mention that, as the edges/faces/lips of the wheel might not be within tolerance to register a
beam across,
though it's no problem to check that the entire wheel gives the same reading with the scribing beam,
and possibly without even removing the table.
Here's a thread which might explain things better, that is..
if you haven't stumbled across this on some other threads, particularly some Centauro ones of recent.
/g/MinimaxOwnersGroup/topic/102755275#msg3705
There's a little on tire profile also, should that be of interest,
as from what I've seen and read, it seems like those budget Felder tires are a bit iffy to me...
Iffy in a sort of way that the "solution" as it were, is to use a blade which has no set to compress,
and crank down on the blade, (which is what's suggested from the likes of Lenox and the likes)
Here's likely the best thread on blades you will find, which mentions carbide needs more tension.
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Just a hunch, but I'd bet there's plenty of folks who've tried regular blades on tires of that ilk,
before going with carbide, and the set is compressed on the lot.
The underside of the cut might be the biggest giveaway, if you've got a few more horses than me.
All the best
Tom
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Hi Ron, the Whitehill set Andy refers to above includes the "bevel front" profile as standard and all of the options let you do long, traditional tenons too which is nice for higher end work.
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Pictures of the through tenoned doors.
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I recently built some simple square edge cabinet doors for my guest apartment. Using adjustable groovers for through tenons and the 6mm panel groove. Mesquite 12mm panels and ash frames.
Mesquite was left over from a door job.
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Ron, I have the Italian version of that Garniga set that allows for thicker doors. I think the US version goes down to 19mm thick typical for US construction. I have additional grovers for my set that you should be able to order. I have 6 and 7 mm in addition to the standard 5mm.
Myself I don¡¯t care to use 1/4¡± ply for any flat panel doors. Just seems flimsy. In solid I use 12mm thick and rebate or cove the back. For paint grade I use 1/2¡± MDJ and treat the same. For me groove thickness is not critical building this way.
Good to know about the bevel being available for this set. What I like about this set is you can do true tenons if desired.
I demo the Rangate bevel shaker set in the Alpine workshops. It¡¯s a nice precise fitting set but does not interchange with the old Garniga sets.
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Re: LOOKING FOR PLANER / JOINTER COMBO
I have a new Hammer 16¡± jointer planer that I received last year. ?I never hooked it up yet and have other plans for the space now. ?Let me know if you want pictures. ?Located in NE Kansas
Andrew
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David P. Best
imran
Brian
Declan Gallagher
Colum
