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Re: How to handle heavy panels in the shop
Another option for sheet goods and doors are panel carts such as Shop Carts.?
Tim House
On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 5:00?PM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: A jib crane and a shop made Vacum plate is inexpensive if located strategically. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years ?Search “vacuum panel lifters”, here are a few results of similar systems. You can find used ones as well, have seen some locally go for about $1000.
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I love the ingenuity in that system, it makes me wonder how it compares to the vacuum gantry systems I've seen, definitely more flexibility.
The SCM Flexstore caught my eye, then made my eyes water.?
On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 8:40?AM Michael Branning via
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Whatever you find out, please post it to the group. I’m interested in learning more.
On Apr 29, 2024, at 9:06?AM, imranindiana via??<imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
?Elwin,?
Contact Michael Samarza (
michael@...) regarding crazy horse kit. He was preparing his website couple of months ago so it might be near completion.
He is also on FOG
?Elwiin: ?I bought the kit when it was available…the hardware is straight forward just a threaded rod and sleeve etc…I think the plans are available Terry
Sorry about my garbled first message.? I was wondering where to obtain one of those panel handlers that David’s video displayed. ? Terry your Crazy horse dolly looks interesting. ? Any idea where to get the post hardware.? The rest looks easy to make.
Elwin
?Elwin: ?I have used the Crazy Horse Dolly for several years…super effective and so easy to use even for large thick solid wood desk tops…amazing piece of kit.? Terry
Does anyone know whee these work. ? I struggle with large sheet goods and those look great.
Elwin
?Brilliant! Manhandling plywood or MDF with one person is hard work!
He must work with a lot of sheet goods to make that gadget worth while.
--?
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
--?Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
Re: How to handle heavy panels in the shop
A jib crane and a shop made Vacum plate is inexpensive if located strategically. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Apr 29, 2024, at 10:23?AM, Brian Lamb via groups.io <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Search “vacuum panel lifters”, here are a few results of similar systems. You can find used ones as well, have seen some locally go for about $1000.
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Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
On Apr 29, 2024, at 7:03?AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
I love the ingenuity in that system, it makes me wonder how it compares to the vacuum gantry systems I've seen, definitely more flexibility.
The SCM Flexstore caught my eye, then made my eyes water.?
On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 8:40?AM Michael Branning via
??<mtbranning=
[email protected]> wrote:
Whatever you find out, please post it to the group. I’m interested in learning more.
On Apr 29, 2024, at 9:06?AM, imranindiana via??<imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
?Elwin,?
Contact Michael Samarza (
michael@...) regarding crazy horse kit. He was preparing his website couple of months ago so it might be near completion.
He is also on FOG
?Elwiin: ?I bought the kit when it was available…the hardware is straight forward just a threaded rod and sleeve etc…I think the plans are available Terry
Sorry about my garbled first message.? I was wondering where to obtain one of those panel handlers that David’s video displayed. ? Terry your Crazy horse dolly looks interesting. ? Any idea where to get the post hardware.? The rest looks easy to make.
Elwin
?Elwin: ?I have used the Crazy Horse Dolly for several years…super effective and so easy to use even for large thick solid wood desk tops…amazing piece of kit.? Terry
Does anyone know whee these work. ? I struggle with large sheet goods and those look great.
Elwin
?Brilliant! Manhandling plywood or MDF with one person is hard work!
He must work with a lot of sheet goods to make that gadget worth while.
--?
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
--?Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
I am looking to add a shaper to my shop. This is my first shaper and I am not sure what is crucial and what is nice to have? I am currently thinking to get the F900Z with the following configuration:
* Motor 3x 230 V S60/40% 60 Hz 7.30 kW
* Moulder spindle ? 30 mm
* aigner safety fence
* Crosscut fence 1100 mm(43")
* Electronic spindle height setting
* Spindle angle settings are carried out with a handwheel and a digital indicator.
What do you think about this configuration/shaper in general?
The price of this configuration is around $16k and there is additional $1k if I would like to add a digital LED/motor for the spindle angle. How frequent are you changing the angle of the shaper?
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I also asked for another quote for the Profil 45Z (non X-motion)
There is a delta of $4500 between the two units and I am getting:
Power drive for the spindle angle
Digital motorized fence (this feature looks important to me)
Aigner Spindle moulder fence (This isn't something that is available from Felder for the F900Z). I am not sure if there is ability to retrofit, but the part cost ~$700 from the UK (not sure if there is a regional sales limit)
Any thoughts?
I'll be at Felder's showroom Thursday to pickup my slider and will examine both of them. Is there anything else I should take a look at?
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There is a second, smaller belt on a lower pulley, behind the larger pulley. ?The black debris that is cast off onto the chassis wall appears to be in line with the smaller pulley and belt. ?I would look closer at that lower belt.
The long belt does appear to be a bit loose, but one must be careful with tensioning. ?Too little will result in slippage and belt damage. ?Too much can cause early bearing wear.
Good luck,
Alex B.
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On Apr 29, 2024, at 9:46?PM, hagai@... wrote:
Hello guys,? I'm new here and very much happy to read the useful discussions.? Last year I purchased the AD741 and generally speaking I'm very happy with the performance and accuracy.? Thus, since day 1 there was a loud noise when I turn it on, I asked the technician at the time, and he told me it might be the belt not tighten enough and said I can leave with it. Recently it got worst and for the first time I opened the machine, I saw a lot of black powder probably from the belt.? Is there anyone knows what Is wrong and what I should do about it? Adding some videos,? Thanks!
AD741
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Re: AD741 5.017 planer roller not engaging at high speed setting
Thanks Mac - appreciate the response
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Looks to me like the belt is too long, too loose and you are at the limits of adjusting the motor further away. I would remove the belt, or read what size it is and get the next smallest one and replace it. The squeaking is from the belt slipping on the drive pulley, also contributes to all the belt dust in the compartment. You can check the alignment, but with that small of pulleys and as much distance is between them, I doubt that is the problem.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Apr 29, 2024, at 9:46?PM, hagai@... wrote:
Hello guys,? I'm new here and very much happy to read the useful discussions.? Last year I purchased the AD741 and generally speaking I'm very happy with the performance and accuracy.? Thus, since day 1 there was a loud noise when I turn it on, I asked the technician at the time, and he told me it might be the belt not tighten enough and said I can leave with it. Recently it got worst and for the first time I opened the machine, I saw a lot of black powder probably from the belt.? Is there anyone knows what Is wrong and what I should do about it? Adding some videos,? Thanks!
AD741
<AD741 - 1.mp4><AD741 - 2.mp4><AD741 - 3.mp4>
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More than likely, sheeve misalignment, take a straight edge and put it from one sheeve to the other and see if they lineup. Designing and building for 50 years
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On Apr 30, 2024, at 4:12?AM, hagai via groups.io <hagai@...> wrote:
? Hello guys,?
I'm new here and very much happy to read the useful discussions.?
Last year I purchased the AD741 and generally speaking I'm very happy with the performance and accuracy.?
Thus, since day 1 there was a loud noise when I turn it on, I asked the technician at the time, and he told me it might be the belt not tighten enough and said I can leave with it.
Recently it got worst and for the first time I opened the machine, I saw a lot of black powder probably from the belt.?
Is there anyone knows what Is wrong and what I should do about it?
Adding some videos,?
Thanks!
AD741
<AD741 - 1.mp4> <AD741 - 2.mp4> <AD741 - 3.mp4>
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Re: AD741 5.017 planer roller not engaging at high speed setting
Sorry, just trying to help Designing and building for 50 years
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On Apr 30, 2024, at 7:58?AM, Bill D via groups.io <4sailing@...> wrote:
?Thanks, yes - per my original message you'll see I had already figured that out
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Re: How to handle heavy panels in the shop
I saw the Biesse Winstore installed in a big commercial millwork shop. It was truly impressive. With all the bar coding of parts and panels it looked like an operator was barely needed in there.
I have a method of moving full sheets from my panel cart to the saw which I never lift the sheet. I slide it off onto one corner, stand it vertically and then tilt it down right onto the Panhans table. I can do it with 3/4" MDF with little trouble. I will try to take a video demonstrating later today. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: AD741 5.017 planer roller not engaging at high speed setting
Thanks, yes - per my original message you'll see I had already figured that out
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Re: Festool joining 2x hoses -7m long
I glad you told me this. I thought maybe they were machine washable.
I'll go for generic once use bags.
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Re: Festool joining 2x hoses -7m long
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Hello guys,?
I'm new here and very much happy to read the useful discussions.?
Last year I purchased the AD741 and generally speaking I'm very happy with the performance and accuracy.?
Thus, since day 1 there was a loud noise when I turn it on, I asked the technician at the time, and he told me it might be the belt not tighten enough and said I can leave with it.
Recently it got worst and for the first time I opened the machine, I saw a lot of black powder probably from the belt.?
Is there anyone knows what Is wrong and what I should do about it?
Adding some videos,?
Thanks!
AD741
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Re: AD741 thickness planer table adjustment
I have the same vintage machine… here is a page from the manual. You can adjust the height and such of the planer bed by loosening the #27 bolts and rotating the lead screw nuts, #25 to raise or lower each corner of the bed. There is also the chain drive and I think you can adjust the bracket #15 to take up any excess slack in the chain system, it will push tighter into the chain.
I hope that helps.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... www.lambtoolworks.com 
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On Apr 24, 2024, at 11:06?AM, electricpineapple@... wrote:
Hi all, I'm new to the group here and also new to owning Felder equipment as I recently bought a 2001 made?4Kw 3p?AD741 (green paint) along with a 15hp rotary phase converter. The machine has a hand crank to adjust the thickness, with a mechanical digital readout inside the hand crank. The digital readout seems to be out of calibration.
I wired in the rotary phase converter and that's working splendidly. The AD741 starts and spins. Now it's time for me to start setting up the machine tables in my shop. It sat unused for about 15 years before I bought it. The first problem I've noticed so far is that the thickness planer table is about 1/8" out of whack from side to side. Adjusting the thicknesser table height causes a grinding skipping noise. I'm thinking that the chain synchronizing/driving the four post lift mechanism maybe skipping on one or two of the posts and that might've caused the misalignment.
I called Felder and they sent me the owners manual and an exploded parts diagram but no information on maintaining, adjusting, repairing, or calibrating the thicknesser table. They did send me some information on adjusting the surface planer/jointer tables.
Could you folks kindly recommend where I start to adjust and set up this machine? I think repairing whatever's going on with the thickness height adjustment is a good place to start so I'd love any information you have on taking that apart and repairing it. Then please recommend where I look to set up this machine bottom to top or top to bottom or however I should be approaching it.
Dan
Golden, BC
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Re: AD741 thickness planer table adjustment
Anyone with experience taking apart/adjusting the thickness planer table?
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Re: How to handle heavy panels in the shop
HA! Even Felder sells one…
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Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Apr 29, 2024, at 7:03?AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
I love the ingenuity in that system, it makes me wonder how it compares to the vacuum gantry systems I've seen, definitely more flexibility.
The SCM Flexstore caught my eye, then made my eyes water.?
On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 8:40?AM Michael Branning via
??<mtbranning=
[email protected]> wrote:
Whatever you find out, please post it to the group. I’m interested in learning more.
On Apr 29, 2024, at 9:06?AM, imranindiana via??<imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
?Elwin,?
Contact Michael Samarza (
michael@...) regarding crazy horse kit. He was preparing his website couple of months ago so it might be near completion.
He is also on FOG
?Elwiin: ?I bought the kit when it was available…the hardware is straight forward just a threaded rod and sleeve etc…I think the plans are available Terry
Sorry about my garbled first message.? I was wondering where to obtain one of those panel handlers that David’s video displayed. ? Terry your Crazy horse dolly looks interesting. ? Any idea where to get the post hardware.? The rest looks easy to make.
Elwin
?Elwin: ?I have used the Crazy Horse Dolly for several years…super effective and so easy to use even for large thick solid wood desk tops…amazing piece of kit.? Terry
Does anyone know whee these work. ? I struggle with large sheet goods and those look great.
Elwin
?Brilliant! Manhandling plywood or MDF with one person is hard work!
He must work with a lot of sheet goods to make that gadget worth while.
--?
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
--?Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
Re: How to handle heavy panels in the shop
Search “vacuum panel lifters”, here are a few results of similar systems. You can find used ones as well, have seen some locally go for about $1000.
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Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Apr 29, 2024, at 7:03?AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
I love the ingenuity in that system, it makes me wonder how it compares to the vacuum gantry systems I've seen, definitely more flexibility.
The SCM Flexstore caught my eye, then made my eyes water.?
On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 8:40?AM Michael Branning via
??<mtbranning=
[email protected]> wrote:
Whatever you find out, please post it to the group. I’m interested in learning more.
On Apr 29, 2024, at 9:06?AM, imranindiana via??<imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
?Elwin,?
Contact Michael Samarza (
michael@...) regarding crazy horse kit. He was preparing his website couple of months ago so it might be near completion.
He is also on FOG
?Elwiin: ?I bought the kit when it was available…the hardware is straight forward just a threaded rod and sleeve etc…I think the plans are available Terry
Sorry about my garbled first message.? I was wondering where to obtain one of those panel handlers that David’s video displayed. ? Terry your Crazy horse dolly looks interesting. ? Any idea where to get the post hardware.? The rest looks easy to make.
Elwin
?Elwin: ?I have used the Crazy Horse Dolly for several years…super effective and so easy to use even for large thick solid wood desk tops…amazing piece of kit.? Terry
Does anyone know whee these work. ? I struggle with large sheet goods and those look great.
Elwin
?Brilliant! Manhandling plywood or MDF with one person is hard work!
He must work with a lot of sheet goods to make that gadget worth while.
--?
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
--?Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
Re: Festool joining 2x hoses -7m long
I just ordered these and am on the first one in the pack, seem to work pretty well.?
Chris,
The reusable bags are really only intended for tools that make chips such as the Kapex, router, etc. These bags clog really quickly and you lose tons of suction if you use them for sanding. For fine sanding dust the regular bags are the way to go.
A1 Mate makes reusable bags for a fraction of the cost. I have not used them so I can't speak to their quality.
Steve
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Re: How to handle heavy panels in the shop
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On Apr 29, 2024, at 07:06, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Elwin,?
Contact Michael Samarza (michael@...) regarding crazy horse kit. He was preparing his website couple of months ago so it might be near completion.
He is also on FOG
On Apr 29, 2024, at 1:56?PM, Terence via groups.io <terencewoolston@...> wrote:
? Elwiin: ?I bought the kit when it was available…the hardware is straight forward just a threaded rod and sleeve etc…I think the plans are available Terry On Apr 29, 2024, at 8:44 AM, Elwin Kershaw <elwinkershaw@...> wrote:
Sorry about my garbled first message. ?I was wondering where to obtain one of those panel handlers that David’s video displayed. ? Terry your Crazy horse dolly looks interesting. ? Any idea where to get the post hardware. ?The rest looks easy to make. Elwin On Apr 29, 2024, at 6:23?AM, Terence via groups.io <terencewoolston@...> wrote:
? Elwin: ?I have used the Crazy Horse Dolly for several years…super effective and so easy to use even for large thick solid wood desk tops…amazing piece of kit. ?Terry On Apr 28, 2024, at 10:30 PM, Elwin Kershaw <elwinkershaw@...> wrote:
Does anyone know whee these work. ? I struggle with large sheet goods and those look great. Elwin On Apr 28, 2024, at 7:06?PM, John Hinman via groups.io <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
?Brilliant! Manhandling plywood or MDF with one person is hard work!
He must work with a lot of sheet goods to make that gadget worth while.
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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Re: How to handle heavy panels in the shop
I love the ingenuity in that system, it makes me wonder how it compares to the vacuum gantry systems I've seen, definitely more flexibility.
The SCM Flexstore caught my eye, then made my eyes water.?
On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 8:40?AM Michael Branning via <mtbranning= [email protected]> wrote: Whatever you find out, please post it to the group. I’m interested in learning more. On Apr 29, 2024, at 9:06?AM, imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
?Elwin,?
Contact Michael Samarza ( michael@...) regarding crazy horse kit. He was preparing his website couple of months ago so it might be near completion.
He is also on FOG ?Elwiin: ?I bought the kit when it was available…the hardware is straight forward just a threaded rod and sleeve etc…I think the plans are available Terry
Sorry about my garbled first message.? I was wondering where to obtain one of those panel handlers that David’s video displayed. ? Terry your Crazy horse dolly looks interesting. ? Any idea where to get the post hardware.? The rest looks easy to make. Elwin ?Elwin: ?I have used the Crazy Horse Dolly for several years…super effective and so easy to use even for large thick solid wood desk tops…amazing piece of kit.? Terry
Does anyone know whee these work. ? I struggle with large sheet goods and those look great. Elwin ?Brilliant! Manhandling plywood or MDF with one person is hard work!
He must work with a lot of sheet goods to make that gadget worth while.
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Jason Holtz