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Re: stuck blade, not bad switch

 

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Bob,

I you want me to look into what could possibly activate the brake please share a copy of your ?schematic here or privately. At some time, the brake board design was updated where the brake board is connected to the normally closed auxiliary contacts of K1 relay. When I asked Felder tech if this is to ensure that braking occurs at proper time, he agreed. However, I am not sure if I should take it to the bank but that seemed like the most logical reason.

Imran Malik

On Jan 2, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:

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I was not operating it when this happened. Had been sitting for a few hours.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 9:24?AM imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Wow, it appears that the brake was engaged/operating.

Did you by any chance start the saw and stop it and then restarted while the brake was still operating?

If not then, it is possible that the brake is coming on when it should not.

Imran Malik

On Jan 2, 2024, at 10:58 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:

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I've had this intermittent problem on my 2006 K700S? which I posted on here before where the saw won't turn on. Got some appreciated?advice about troubleshooting the switch. Wasn't able to find the problem. Note that I habitually?use ear protection.?

Yesterday I turned the saw on for a small cut and skipped the ears. Blade didn't spin up but I heard a low hum when I hit the on switch. Turned it off. Pushed the blade with a push stick.... it was hard to turn, but then it loosened. Hit the on switch, started up and ran great. Has happened again once since that first time.

Any?suggestions for troubleshooting? Problem with the brake not disengaging maybe?

-Bob


Re: stuck blade, not bad switch

 

I was not operating it when this happened. Had been sitting for a few hours.


On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 9:24?AM imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Wow, it appears that the brake was engaged/operating.

Did you by any chance start the saw and stop it and then restarted while the brake was still operating?

If not then, it is possible that the brake is coming on when it should not.

Imran Malik

On Jan 2, 2024, at 10:58 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:

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I've had this intermittent problem on my 2006 K700S? which I posted on here before where the saw won't turn on. Got some appreciated?advice about troubleshooting the switch. Wasn't able to find the problem. Note that I habitually?use ear protection.?

Yesterday I turned the saw on for a small cut and skipped the ears. Blade didn't spin up but I heard a low hum when I hit the on switch. Turned it off. Pushed the blade with a push stick.... it was hard to turn, but then it loosened. Hit the on switch, started up and ran great. Has happened again once since that first time.

Any?suggestions for troubleshooting? Problem with the brake not disengaging maybe?

-Bob


Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

I'd also like a couple for a K500 if you can make?them.? Price set yet?

Bryan Crum


On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 8:10?AM Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:
Me, too. bob@.... Will they fit a 2006?

On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:22?AM Robert Maxwell <Ozarkbuilds@...> wrote:
Yes, put me on the list!
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Re: stuck blade, not bad switch

 

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Wow, it appears that the brake was engaged/operating.

Did you by any chance start the saw and stop it and then restarted while the brake was still operating?

If not then, it is possible that the brake is coming on when it should not.

Imran Malik

On Jan 2, 2024, at 10:58 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:

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I've had this intermittent problem on my 2006 K700S? which I posted on here before where the saw won't turn on. Got some appreciated?advice about troubleshooting the switch. Wasn't able to find the problem. Note that I habitually?use ear protection.?

Yesterday I turned the saw on for a small cut and skipped the ears. Blade didn't spin up but I heard a low hum when I hit the on switch. Turned it off. Pushed the blade with a push stick.... it was hard to turn, but then it loosened. Hit the on switch, started up and ran great. Has happened again once since that first time.

Any?suggestions for troubleshooting? Problem with the brake not disengaging maybe?

-Bob


Re: How to flush mount raised panel cutter

 

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On Jan 2, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk via groups.io <dgwoodco@...> wrote:

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I’ve got a client that’s looking to get the attached profile for a cabinet door with this raised panel style. ?The standard 1.5” Amana shaper cutter profile width is not wide enough for the add-on trim detail. I’m wondering if there’s a way to flush mount the cutter with my existing felder spindle to get a larger tongue? Any other ideas or suggestions??

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How to flush mount raised panel cutter

 

I’ve got a client that’s looking to get the attached profile for a cabinet door with this raised panel style. ?The standard 1.5” Amana shaper cutter profile width is not wide enough for the add-on trim detail. I’m wondering if there’s a way to flush mount the cutter with my existing felder spindle to get a larger tongue? Any other ideas or suggestions??

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Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

Me, too. bob@.... Will they fit a 2006?


On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:22?AM Robert Maxwell <Ozarkbuilds@...> wrote:
Yes, put me on the list!
ozarkbuilds@...


stuck blade, not bad switch

 

I've had this intermittent problem on my 2006 K700S? which I posted on here before where the saw won't turn on. Got some appreciated?advice about troubleshooting the switch. Wasn't able to find the problem. Note that I habitually?use ear protection.?

Yesterday I turned the saw on for a small cut and skipped the ears. Blade didn't spin up but I heard a low hum when I hit the on switch. Turned it off. Pushed the blade with a push stick.... it was hard to turn, but then it loosened. Hit the on switch, started up and ran great. Has happened again once since that first time.

Any?suggestions for troubleshooting? Problem with the brake not disengaging maybe?

-Bob


Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

Yes, put me on the list!
ozarkbuilds@...


Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

sjglaser1
 

Roger on the suction pressure.....I'm a mech engineer too and always learning. But I know I can improve it.

I'm not sure how thick the Wenge Zero Inset is.....
but you can increase the flow area significantly by adding 1/4" deep grooves ( or something?like that) in a criss cross pattern across the inserts slot and some holes leading/trailing the insert.) Limit is you want to maintain structural integrity of the insert and of course you do not want to sacrifice the quality of the cut....

I like it when someone implies it cannot be done.

I will 3D print using carbon fiber and see......I just need my K 700S to arrive!

Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls
Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066


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On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 11:22?AM Joe Jensen <joe@...> wrote:
If you do the engineering calculations you would need very high suction Pressure to move any air through small holes or slots. Way more the. Woodshop dust collectors generate. Space near the blade teeth might help slightly but then you would not have a zero clearance insert.? Look at how ineffective the stock insert is with pulling dust down.?


Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

The design of a ZCI for my Hammer K3 has interested me for a while. There are a few challenges for the K3 - it is not good enough to purchase a blank dado insert from Felder, and cut a slot for the saw blade. This results in a thin plastic "string" on the side of the blade cutout, which will vibrate, strike the turning blade, and snap off. DAMHIK.

I overcame this by adding an aluminium side to the insert ...





But this is not a true ZCI as the kerf is not tight against the blade. The issue with doing so is that there will be insufficient air flow, and this will impact on suction and dust control.

Dennis at Hooked on Wood came up with this ...


The point he made was the addition of holes to increase airflow, but ony recommended them on one side of the blade, However he was using a table saw and the wood would cover the side facing the fence. A slider is used on both sides of the blade, so it is time to re-visit the air flow on a ZCI.

Regards from Perth

Derek


Re: You get what you pay for. Cheap digital fence readout.

 

I still have a Kapex. I don't use it very often, but I don't plan to sell it anytime soon. I've considered using these for my stop block, however, it's not high on the list to deal with. My stop block setup is very accurate and I'm happy with it.


Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

I agree with you Joe.
I run ZCI when cutting HDMP (plastic hurt's when it fly's) and have tried all sort to help extraction,? enlarged the slot where the teeth are is about as good as it gets.
When cutting wood I never see the need for ZCI
Just my 2cents worth

Kindest regards

Jonathan Samways



On Mon, 1 Jan 2024, 6:22 pm Joe Jensen, <joe@...> wrote:
If you do the engineering calculations you would need very high suction Pressure to move any air through small holes or slots. Way more the. Woodshop dust collectors generate. Space near the blade teeth might help slightly but then you would not have a zero clearance insert.? Look at how ineffective the stock insert is with pulling dust down.?


Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

If you do the engineering calculations you would need very high suction Pressure to move any air through small holes or slots. Way more the. Woodshop dust collectors generate. Space near the blade teeth might help slightly but then you would not have a zero clearance insert. ?Look at how ineffective the stock insert is with pulling dust down.?


Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

sjglaser1
 

Yes, sir. I see Dans design......very little air flow down thru the insert.

I believe it can be made even better.....
Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls
Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066


On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 9:16?AM David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
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?Dan’s ZCI is discussed in this thread from the archive - and if you look in the archives you will probably find a CAD model.?


David Best - via mobile phone?


David Best - via mobile phone?
On Jan 1, 2024, at 5:14?AM, sjglaser1 <sjglaser1@...> wrote:

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Dan,
I am on your list for your Wenge Zero Clearance inserts.
I have not seen your design.
Will your design allow airflow thru the "Insert" (even with the zero clearance of the blade thru the insert? This would?offset the loss in the dust collection by a "Zero" clearance insert to improve dust collection.
I found this German website
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As soon as I get my K700S, I will play around with 3D printing something that works.

Cheers
Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls
Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066


On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 3:36?AM Deejay K via <unihouses=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Dan, count me in please ??


Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

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?Dan’s ZCI is discussed in this thread from the archive - and if you look in the archives you will probably find a CAD model.?

On Jan 1, 2024, at 5:14?AM, sjglaser1 <sjglaser1@...> wrote:

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Dan,
I am on your list for your Wenge Zero Clearance inserts.
I have not seen your design.
Will your design allow airflow thru the "Insert" (even with the zero clearance of the blade thru the insert? This would?offset the loss in the dust collection by a "Zero" clearance insert to improve dust collection.
I found this German website
<image.png>

As soon as I get my K700S, I will play around with 3D printing something that works.

Cheers
Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls
Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066


On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 3:36?AM Deejay K via <unihouses=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Dan, count me in please ??


Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

sjglaser1
 

Dan,
I am on your list for your Wenge Zero Clearance inserts.
I have not seen your design.
Will your design allow airflow thru the "Insert" (even with the zero clearance of the blade thru the insert? This would?offset the loss in the dust collection by a "Zero" clearance insert to improve dust collection.
I found this German website
image.png

As soon as I get my K700S, I will play around with 3D printing something that works.

Cheers
Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls
Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066


On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 3:36?AM Deejay K via <unihouses=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Dan, count me in please ??


Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

Hi Dan, count me in please ??


Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

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May make a batch sooner than later with all the new requests. Happy New Year to you all!?

On Dec 31, 2023, at 1:17 PM, John WI <jnadank@...> wrote:

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I would also be interested in several for my k700 if you feel up to making some.?

John Adank

On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 3:04?AM sjglaser1 <sjglaser1@...> wrote:
DAN,

i WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PURCHASE SOME ZERO INSERTS FOR MY K700S.
Please?add me to your customer list when you start building them again.

Best Regards,

Scott Glaser
945-444-8066


On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 6:22?PM RLHorst <RLHorst@...> wrote:
Dan,
I’m also interested in zero clearance inserts.? Please let me know if you have any for sale.? Thanks!!!

Happy Day!!!
Randall

Pro (12.9 inch)

On Dec 29, 2023, at 9:24?AM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:

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Hi Glenn, not at the present time but I am going to make a batch at some point in the beginning of the new year. I will make an update on here when that happens.

On Dec 28, 2023, at 8:20 AM, glenn.gipson@... wrote:

?Dan,

Are you still making and selling the zero clearance inserts?


Re: AD941: Getting outfeed table coplanar to cutterhead

 

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Looking at your level readings, I would have no problem working out the twist in your table in less than 30 minutes by altering the relative heights of the two temple bolts. You should not have to resort to making adjustments to the hinge side of the outfeed table. ? If your table has dips and hollows even with the latch and hinge side adjusted coplanar, there is nothing you can do to correct the irregular surface of the table, but you can certainly bring the latch side into close conformance with the hinge side. ?
With a table that has excessive dips and hollows, and if you are using a precision level to check surface alignment and conformance, ?it’s best to do all your level readings atop a known-good straight edge with parallel surfaces along the entire surface to average out the low spots. ?I dispute your claim that you ignore my advice, but instead do your best to average out the irregular surfaces of the table using a long straight edge or precision machined contractors level as your point of reference. ?And it will never be perfect, but you should be able to attain flat results with material run on either the hinge or latch side of the machine. ?

I do agree that this set of adjustments is tiresome and frustrating, and it takes a lot of trial and error to get it dialed in. ?And it’s made even more aggravating when the machine from the factory is aligned to produce a spring joint result rather than flat surfaces. ?This sets the stage of the user to have go through the tedious process of realigning the tabes after delivery - unless all they do involving a jointer is make cutting boards. ?The source of this frustration is fully documented in my “analysis” write-up and the reason I routinely recommend potential buyers look for a parallelogram-type table elevation system when selecting a machine that has flip-up tables. ?

If the Andrew’s outfeed table is latched down hard against the two temple bolts, there are only two potential circumstances where the latch and hinge side of the table elevate at different rates: ?A - the eccentric cam that elevates the table is physically different on one side from the other, or B - the pivot pin in the hinge mechanism is moving because the locking set screws at each end are not secured to the shaft thus allowing the hinge to flex when the table is moved up or down.

David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best



On Dec 31, 2023, at 5:59?PM, Cornelius <Cornelius@...> wrote:

Attached is a composite of my level readings (easier to understand than numbers of feeler gauges). When I started, my hinge side was level. Then I leveled my cutterhead. Have a look at my outfeed side and my latch side when both hinge and cutterhead are level .... keep in mind that my level is not super high precision and each line represents 0.1mm. There is no way to adjust this kind of table without hours of work and, unfortunately, it requires that you ignore David's advise .....?