Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
…it’s Friday, time for ? off the wall ? concepts…
Given that Felder positions itself as a company offering its customers ? machines built to specs ?, could we envision being able to specify the calibration on the machine? One could then choose between spring joint or flat setting.
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
Brain,
I know the jointer tables are adjustable, but it is not a trivial task.?
Maybe you can do a group survey to see how many people want to have a jointer producing the flat board right after it is delivered to them without any adjustment.
I think what customers want matters the?most, it is 2023. Felder can make money because customers give them money to buy the machine.
James
On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 9:57?PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: James, Felder most certainly can have a jointer that makes a flat board, it all depends on what setting is at when you get it. These settings are adjustable and you can get what ever cut you want. You can complain all day long that it’s not the way you want it, but they deliver how they think is best, whether we agree with that or not, really doesn’t matter. Set it how you want it to cut and move on.
Clearly, Felder is proud of their table adjustment mechanism, they think they are the best.?
It is the same mechanism on my?2016 AD741. I just shake my head that Felder still cannot deliver a jointer to produce the FLAT board.
James One more comment.? The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below.? Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down.? Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway.? Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws.? I really detest this mechanism. ?
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I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
James, Felder most certainly can have a jointer that makes a flat board, it all depends on what setting is at when you get it. These settings are adjustable and you can get what ever cut you want. You can complain all day long that it’s not the way you want it, but they deliver how they think is best, whether we agree with that or not, really doesn’t matter. Set it how you want it to cut and move on.
Brian Lamb
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www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 5:56 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Clearly, Felder is proud of their table adjustment mechanism, they think they are the best.?
It is the same mechanism on my?2016 AD741. I just shake my head that Felder still cannot deliver a jointer to produce the FLAT board.
James One more comment.? The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below.? Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down.? Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway.? Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws.? I really detest this mechanism. ?
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I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 6:31 PM, Andy Pickler <andy.pickler@...> wrote:
? Which cutter set up are you running? ?You mentioned your outfeed table is now 001”-.002” below the cutter knives, just wondering if your running straight knives. ?I also saw a different measurement for setting the outfeed table to the cutting block, which is different from setting to knives. ?See attached pictures. ?But I’m wondering if this cutter block dimension is also true for someone that is running the Silent Power spiral knife cutting block set up?
I'm running the Silent Power cutterhead. And yes...in order to get the knives 0.001" above the outfeed table, the smooth surface of the cutterhead (cutting block) needed to be 0.032" below the outfeed table.
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It irritates the hell out of me that miter saw companies (especially Festool) haven't nailed the whole dust collection thing yet (or choose not to). We are no longer living in the 1930s where inhaling sawdust while smoking Camel unfiltereds added years onto your life.
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
Which cutter set up are you running? ?You mentioned your outfeed table is now 001”-.002” below the cutter knives, just wondering if your running straight knives. ?I also saw a different measurement for setting the outfeed table to the cutting block, which is different from setting to knives. ?See attached pictures. ?But I’m wondering if this cutter block dimension is also true for someone that is running the Silent Power spiral knife cutting block set up?
I'm running the Silent Power cutterhead. And yes...in order to get the knives 0.001" above the outfeed table, the smooth surface of the cutterhead (cutting block) needed to be 0.032" below the outfeed table.
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
Clearly, Felder is proud of their table adjustment mechanism, they think they are the best.?
It is the same mechanism on my?2016 AD741. I just shake my head that Felder still cannot deliver a jointer to produce the FLAT board.
James
One more comment.? The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below.? Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down.? Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway.? Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws.? I really detest this mechanism. ?
I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
?Hi David, While I'm adjusting those M10 cap screws, I'm assuming:
- I "tighten" them (move them upward) to move the table up
Correct. Righty-tighty. Lefty-loosey.?
- I should have the kip lever on the infeed side lightly tightened (and the outfeed one loose)
The latch side of the table should be unlatched when making this adjustment. ? Once you get the hinge side of the infeed table coplanar to the hinge side of the outfeed table, then turn attention to the latch side. ?You can adjust the slope of both tables on the latch side by altering the relative heights of the two temple bolts for each table. ?Carbon paper is a good way to test those alignments. ?LOL
David Best?
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
? ? Andy,
I fully understand your thoughts about David Best, the guy is a Walking Institution! ?
Which cutter set up are you running? ?You mentioned your outfeed table is now 001”-.002” below the cutter knives, just wondering if your running straight knives. ?I also saw a different measurement for setting the outfeed table to the cutting block, which is different from setting to knives. ?See attached pictures. ?But I’m wondering if this cutter block dimension is also true for someone that is running the Silent Power spiral knife cutting block set up?
Wade
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Andy Pickler <andy.pickler@...> wrote:
?I think the hammer/mallet blow was in regards to lowering the outfeed table. My outfeed table as-received was quite a bit above the cutterhead knives. I loosened the height adjustment bolt, but that alone will not lower the outfeed table. For me, even striking with a mallet did nothing, and even putting 210# of free weights on the outfeed table overnight didn't lower it completely. I literally had to jump on the outfeed table directly over the supports to lower it even a few thousandths. Thankfully, I now have the outfeed table completely level/parallel with the cutterhead and between 0.001" and 0.002" below the cutterhead knives. If you want me to elaborate any more on that procedure, I can do that. I have corresponded with David Best as well, and he is top-notch in his support, his documentation, and of course his knowledge and experience. I wouldn't be as far along as I am without him.
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Hi David, While I'm adjusting those M10 cap screws, I'm assuming:
- I "tighten" them (move them upward) to move the table up
- I should have the kip lever on the infeed side lightly tightened (and the outfeed one loose)
True?
I did loosen the set screws on top considerably, and the lateral ones just a little (to allow for the up-down movement as you suggest). What I found was that as I tightened the left M10 cap screw ("left" as viewed from the back of the machine...the screw farthest away from the cutterhead)...that the table moved up for awhile and then my dial indicator indicator it was going down. That was confounding. I need to re-check my measurement devices, though, and make sure something wasn't causing an inaccurate reading.
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One more comment. ?The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below. ?Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down. ?Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway. ?Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws. ?I really detest this mechanism. ?
David Best
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https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 3:58 PM, Andy Pickler <andy.pickler@...> wrote:
I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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This is the parts diagram for the hinge mechanism on the AD941. ?The “Hinge Pin” is item #1 (green arrow), and the elevation and slope of the table (going toward the cutterblock), is adjusted by moving this pin at either or both ends. ?The pin can be repositioned at each end using the long M10 cap screws called out as #6 (red arrows).
Those elevation screws are noted in your photos with red arrows:
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 3:58 PM, Andy Pickler <andy.pickler@...> wrote:
I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
I think the hammer/mallet blow was in regards to lowering the outfeed table. My outfeed table as-received was quite a bit above the cutterhead knives. I loosened the height adjustment bolt, but that alone will not lower the outfeed table. For me, even striking with a mallet did nothing, and even putting 210# of free weights on the outfeed table overnight didn't lower it completely. I literally had to jump on the outfeed table directly over the supports to lower it even a few thousandths. Thankfully, I now have the outfeed table completely level/parallel with the cutterhead and between 0.001" and 0.002" below the cutterhead knives. If you want me to elaborate any more on that procedure, I can do that. I have corresponded with David Best as well, and he is top-notch in his support, his documentation, and of course his knowledge and experience. I wouldn't be as far along as I am without him.
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Hi Andy,
I have a brand new one as well, just rolled it off the pallet about two weeks ago. ?I’ve ordered some miscellaneous parts for it, before I start setting it up. ?I’ll be curious to know how yours goes. ?That issue you brought up about adjusting the infeed table seems like it’s been asked before. ?I can’t remember if this was the issue that gets resolved with a hammer/mallet blow or if that was something completely different.
Once I get all my miscellaneous parts in and installed, I’ve armed myself with the David Best Survival Guide for the AD941 and will be going at myself. ?I’ll follow along as you work through yours.
Thx,
Wade
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 3:58 PM, Andy Pickler <andy.pickler@...> wrote:
?I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).  
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Joe, I’m sure you have a door like that left over from demonstrating at your door workshop. ?I’m fine to drop by and take it off of your hands so you don’t have to just throw it away…
Stunning work!
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 4:41 PM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
Hi Joe? Class act on the entrance!!when I was a door and window builder that’s the stuff I used to do . If it was anything but straight and square that what I did. had my fill of that!!! Designing and building for 50 years On Jul 8, 2023, at 1:20 PM, Joe Calhoon via groups.io <joecalhoon@...> wrote:
? Mac, FFI sells the Zenit hinge in 16 and 20mm. Adjustable in all directions and will take a heavy load. These require a fairly thick lip if your gasket is in the lip. Probably 18 to 22mm thick. I have jigs I can loan if you go with these. See pictures.GU makes a 3 part hinge that works with doors built with window system tooling with thin lips land gasket. I’ll PM you the info on these. This one is very similar to Anuba brand. They are handed and minimum order of 10.Joe<517EFE38-540D-45E2-ADE9-87D6784499B2.jpeg> <0618A75A-A5E9-44DB-A731-F6DA4DA30D37.jpeg>
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Re: AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
It would seem to me those 2 bolts that extend downwards would require me to move them upward (and I have loosened the set screw that is on the top side). But unfortunately after a certain point of "tightening" those bolts the table starts to move downwards.
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AD941 Infeed Table Adjustment
I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).  
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If you have more than one outlet they are all going to fill lopsided . If you’re really disturbed by it you can add a rotary air lock. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 10:16 AM, Tom Gensmer <tom@...> wrote:
?Hi Daniel,?
It would be helpful to know some additional details, such as:
-- Year machine was built?
-- Which bin is being filled, which is not being filled?
-- Are the filters clean, or packed with sawdust??
-- What kind of media are you collecting? Chips from a planer or shaper, or fine dust from a sander??
-- What diameter piping are you using??
My RL 160 fills the bins somewhat unevenly, but it seems to be dependent on whether I'm collecting chips or dust. I just keep an eye on the fill levels, and replace the bags as needed.... I'm running a RL160, 6" piping, mixture of dust and chips, antistatic filters, with pneumatic filter cleaning, which I make sure to actuate several times a day....?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Hi Joe? Class act on the entrance!!when I was a door and window builder that’s the stuff I used to do . If it was anything but straight and square that what I did. had my fill of that!!! Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 1:20 PM, Joe Calhoon via groups.io <joecalhoon@...> wrote:
? Mac, FFI sells the Zenit hinge in 16 and 20mm. Adjustable in all directions and will take a heavy load. These require a fairly thick lip if your gasket is in the lip. Probably 18 to 22mm thick. I have jigs I can loan if you go with these. See pictures.GU makes a 3 part hinge that works with doors built with window system tooling with thin lips land gasket. I’ll PM you the info on these. This one is very similar to Anuba brand. They are handed and minimum order of 10.Joe<517EFE38-540D-45E2-ADE9-87D6784499B2.jpeg> <0618A75A-A5E9-44DB-A731-F6DA4DA30D37.jpeg>
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Re: Sliding Table Adjustment
Thanks David, I was starting to suspect that was the trouble, it just wasn't making sense in my easily confused brain how the upper two nuts were going to get the job done. That diagram makes it very clear, much appreciated.
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