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Re: Riff sawn / slip match oak ply
Yeah. That’s a 500 link. It’s not available. I checked out most of those google results. I’m wondering if someone here knows a supplier.?
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Is there such a thing as A1 slip matched riff sawn white oak plywood?? I’m laminating right now and I’ve got a run of 12 cabinets coming in that spec riff / slip matched two sides. I’ve got a call into my locals but thought I’d reach out to the cabinet gurus here.?
I can, of course continue laminating but I’m looking to shave a step off if possible.?
I’ve done a google search as some online suppliers mention riff sawn but I can’t use bookmatched, need slip matched at least one side. Prefer both.?
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Is there such a thing as A1 slip matched riff sawn white oak plywood? ?I’m laminating right now and I’ve got a run of 12 cabinets coming in that spec riff / slip matched two sides. I’ve got a call into my locals but thought I’d reach out to the cabinet gurus here.?
I can, of course continue laminating but I’m looking to shave a step off if possible.?
I’ve done a google search as some online suppliers mention riff sawn but I can’t use bookmatched, need slip matched at least one side. Prefer both.?
Riff sawn / slip match oak ply
Is there such a thing as A1 slip matched riff sawn white oak plywood? ?I’m laminating right now and I’ve got a run of 12 cabinets coming in that spec riff / slip matched two sides. I’ve got a call into my locals but thought I’d reach out to the cabinet gurus here.?
I can, of course continue laminating but I’m looking to shave a step off if possible.?
I’ve done a google search as some online suppliers mention riff sawn but I can’t use bookmatched, need slip matched at least one side. Prefer both.?
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Re: Building a new shop - Should I move to Norfab/Quick Clamp Ductwork?
Having bought a decent portion of my ductwork used, it seems all the snap together systems play with each other with the exception of the expandable sleeves.? ?In that case, the tolerance of the duct diameter demands the same manufacturer for sleeve and straight section. I have made numerous orders with Carolina Air Systems.? They have good quality components and their straight sections are 5 foot?long as opposed to the more standard 6 foot.? This tends to reduce shipping?costs,? and more than covers the cost of the extra clamp required in a 30 foot run.
Marlowe McGraw?
One more company not mentioned here worth considering is US Duct (??), which Jay Bates mentions . They produce quick connect ductwork that Jay found was compatible with his existing Nordfab ducts. I have no experience with them, however.
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Re: Building a new shop - Should I move to Norfab/Quick Clamp Ductwork?
One more company not mentioned here worth considering is US Duct (??), which Jay Bates mentions . They produce quick connect ductwork that Jay found was compatible with his existing Nordfab ducts. I have no experience with them, however.
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Re: Building a new shop - Should I move to Norfab/Quick Clamp Ductwork?
PK, regardless of which system you go to, if you decide to expand or have different layout, you may have to stick to the primary system you begin with, yes you maybe able to add an adaptor so yon swap between Nordfab/Oneida but its an hassle.? I have modular system from JKF, they called it LipLock, similar to Nordfab quick clamp. I bought some second hand ducting in the past thought they will fit but its not that straight forward, they all have different lip recommend the quick clamp style but they can be quite costly.? By the way I have finally fully paid my new panel saw today, drove pass SCM today and a few pics of the saw in its boxes, check out the height and weight of it! 1128kg/2500lbs! the saw will arrive in the next few days. I wont have time to do proper talk about it until I am familiar with it...? 
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Re: Fusion 360 vs. Solidworks for Makers
Hi Scott, ?I have no timeline with respect to the Fusion tutorials I’m working on. ?Nor do I want one since that would turn joy into anxiety meeting a specific date. ?In the meantime, if you have specific questions, DM me - always happy to help.
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On Jul 2, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Sawdust77 <rscotthanna@...> wrote:
Thanks David for the detailed response and information. I will check out the links you?provided and will probably just stay with Fusion. Do you have an estimate of when you will release the Fusion course you are working on?
Thanks again, ?- Scott Hi Scott,
I am only vaguely familiar with Solidworks, so I probably can’t offer much advice on that topic.? I didn’t consider Solidworks because at the time either the “affordable” versions weren’t available or I was unaware of their existence.? I was attracted to Fusion initially through John Saunders (NYCCNC) who is an acquaintance.? I visited his shop in 2017, took a CNC class with him, met some of the Fusion managers, and liked what they were trying to achieve.? I discussed Solidworks with John and one of the HSM post-processor gurus at the time, and concluded it it didn’t meet my needs even if I were willing to pay for the full product.? John agreed with my assessment and encouraged me to pursue the Fusion path.? At the time, the full version of Fusion was free, but it also lacked some of the features I needed (more sophisticated drawing facility in particular).? By 2000, Fusion had evolved and improved to the point that I thought it was a viable candidate for my need.? Also by then I had given up on the idea of moving to CNC VMC milling machine as a pursuit.? So I never tuned back into Solidworks.
The full featured version of Fusion includes a nesting layout facility.? The free version does not, but there are low cost extensions that do provide the facility.? I’ve been playing with this, and it looks like it will meet my needs (although I’m not looking for a direct path to a CNC router): ?
In addition, Autodesk offers a pretty elaborate nesting extension for Fusion - I have no familiarity with it, but they clearly think highly of it. ?? There are several YouTube videos about this package.? There is also a 3rd party plug-in that is much more affordable which you can check out here: ?? You might also check out this plug-in: ?? ?There is quite an extensive library of extension plug-ins which you can see at this link: ?
The layers functionality is only interesting to me in the context of the drawing facility, and I haven’t yet run into any walls because it doesn’t support layering.? I am in pretty constant communication with the 2D product manager for Fusion who manages all the drawing facilities from London, and I have generally been pleased with their progress against commitments and stated goals.? He continues to ask for feedback, suggestions, and for copies of what I do with Fusion that’s related to woodworking.? That said, it is clear to me that his first priority for the 2D team is to satisfy the needs of larger organizations like Boeing, Airbus, etc.? You can see that influence in the 2D environment by virtue of their ANSI and ISO title block parameters and legends (none of which I care about).? You can see the Fusion 360 2D roadmap here: ?
In terms of how Fusion or Solidworks might interface with your CNC router, I can’t help, but I”m sure the Fusion sales team has a good handle compatible post-processors.? You can also find the included posts in the Manufacturing domain of Fusion by clicking on Manage>Post Library.? This might also be useful: ?
Hope this helps.
I have been getting up to speed on Fusion 360 and want to use it for four things:
- Designing woodworking projects and making rendered images, drawings, and cut lists for them.
- Designing woodworking projects to be cut on my CNC which uses Mach4 control software.
- Designing objects for 3D printing.
- Design of electronic projects (This is a low priority as I have other options)
I do this purely as a hobby, not a business. I just found out about 3DEXPERIENCE SOLIDWORKS? for Makers. It is my understanding that this version of Solidworks has almost all the features of the professional versions. The issues/limitations that I am aware of are:
- The watermarks on exported native file formats (as Brian Lamb pointed out). They prevent exporting native file formats for use in other software including the professional versions of Solidworks. They can, however, be imported and used by other people who have maker versions of the software. The export of generic (dumb) file formats are supported without restriction.
- The fact that it is web based. I really don’t like this, but Fusion is web based too.
- The fact that it will not allow any 3rd party plugins. I’m not sure this is really that important to me for my use cases, am I missing something?
- The CAM part of the software (I believe it’s called shop floor manufacturing) seems limited to 3 axes. My CNC currently supports 3 axes but could add a fourth. I would use the fourth axis to add a turning capability.
- The fact that it is not free. At only $99 per year this is really a non-issue for me.
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Some of the unknowns for me include:
- How does the learning curve for Solidworks compare to Fusion?
- What is the availability/cost of training?
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Since it supposedly has all the Solidworks professional version features (except as noted above), I assume it will have design layers and part nesting. These features were recently mentioned by David Best who indicated that the Fusion team has no interest in providing them. I don’t know how long the Maker version has been available, but I was hoping you would comment David on whether you considered this version of Solidworks and if so, why you chose Fusion. ?
I have invested a fair amount of time in leaning Fusion but I am certainly not an expert. To gain fully featured professional CAD software, I could be convinced to switch. All the above is based on my somewhat limited research I have done this weekend. It may certainly contain mistakes and/or misunderstandings. I would very much like to take advantage of the group’s expertise and ask for your feedback. ?
Thanks in advance. ?
-????????? Scott Hanna
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Re: Crosscut scale issues
Ha! ?
Thats what I meant!
My bad explanation conflated the pre x-roll fence and the x-roll fence.
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? The attached should clarify how this is done.
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On Jul 2, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Simon Ballard via groups.io <smo_motion@...> wrote:
Hi, We have recently bought a used 2007 cf741. The outriggers crosscut can slide when the clamps are undone, how do we know where to clamp it so the scale makes sense? There doesn't seem to be anywhere to index it.? Thanks? Simon
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<Outrigger Crosscut Fence Alignment Stop.pdf>
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Re: Crosscut scale issues
The attached should clarify how this is done.
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On Jul 2, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Simon Ballard via groups.io <smo_motion@...> wrote:
Hi, We have recently bought a used 2007 cf741. The outriggers crosscut can slide when the clamps are undone, how do we know where to clamp it so the scale makes sense? There doesn't seem to be anywhere to index it.? Thanks? Simon
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Re: Crosscut scale issues
Simon,
There should be stop in the groove on the bottom of the fence. ?When you put the fence on the outrigger table slide it to toward the slider until the stop bumps into whatever it supposed to hit. ?The stop in the fence groove is movable for calibration. ?
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On Jul 2, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Simon Ballard via groups.io <smo_motion@...> wrote:
?Hi,
We have recently bought a used 2007 cf741. The outriggers crosscut can slide when the clamps are undone, how do we know where to clamp it so the scale makes sense? There doesn't seem to be anywhere to index it.?
Thanks?
Simon
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Hi,
We have recently bought a used 2007 cf741. The outriggers crosscut can slide when the clamps are undone, how do we know where to clamp it so the scale makes sense? There doesn't seem to be anywhere to index it.?
Thanks?
Simon
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Re: Building a new shop - Should I move to Norfab/Quick Clamp Ductwork?
Larry,
I am hoping to post a YT video on the GRIT system by tomorrow.? I have 3ph equipment connected and can give some solid insights.? The video from Bents woodworking is good.? I will link it too.
Well, I got it posted...? So here it is.? Between Bents video and mine, I think you can see how it works with the larger machines too.
PK
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Re: Fusion 360 vs. Solidworks for Makers
Thanks David for the detailed response and information. I will check out the links you?provided and will probably just stay with Fusion. Do you have an estimate of when you will release the Fusion course you are working on?
Thanks again, ?- Scott
Hi Scott,
I am only vaguely familiar with Solidworks, so I probably can’t offer much advice on that topic.? I didn’t consider Solidworks because at the time either the “affordable” versions weren’t available or I was unaware of their existence.? I was attracted to Fusion initially through John Saunders (NYCCNC) who is an acquaintance.? I visited his shop in 2017, took a CNC class with him, met some of the Fusion managers, and liked what they were trying to achieve.? I discussed Solidworks with John and one of the HSM post-processor gurus at the time, and concluded it it didn’t meet my needs even if I were willing to pay for the full product.? John agreed with my assessment and encouraged me to pursue the Fusion path.? At the time, the full version of Fusion was free, but it also lacked some of the features I needed (more sophisticated drawing facility in particular).? By 2000, Fusion had evolved and improved to the point that I thought it was a viable candidate for my need.? Also by then I had given up on the idea of moving to CNC VMC milling machine as a pursuit.? So I never tuned back into Solidworks.
The full featured version of Fusion includes a nesting layout facility.? The free version does not, but there are low cost extensions that do provide the facility.? I’ve been playing with this, and it looks like it will meet my needs (although I’m not looking for a direct path to a CNC router): ?
In addition, Autodesk offers a pretty elaborate nesting extension for Fusion - I have no familiarity with it, but they clearly think highly of it. ?? There are several YouTube videos about this package.? There is also a 3rd party plug-in that is much more affordable which you can check out here: ?? You might also check out this plug-in: ?? ?There is quite an extensive library of extension plug-ins which you can see at this link: ?
The layers functionality is only interesting to me in the context of the drawing facility, and I haven’t yet run into any walls because it doesn’t support layering.? I am in pretty constant communication with the 2D product manager for Fusion who manages all the drawing facilities from London, and I have generally been pleased with their progress against commitments and stated goals.? He continues to ask for feedback, suggestions, and for copies of what I do with Fusion that’s related to woodworking.? That said, it is clear to me that his first priority for the 2D team is to satisfy the needs of larger organizations like Boeing, Airbus, etc.? You can see that influence in the 2D environment by virtue of their ANSI and ISO title block parameters and legends (none of which I care about).? You can see the Fusion 360 2D roadmap here: ?
In terms of how Fusion or Solidworks might interface with your CNC router, I can’t help, but I”m sure the Fusion sales team has a good handle compatible post-processors.? You can also find the included posts in the Manufacturing domain of Fusion by clicking on Manage>Post Library.? This might also be useful: ?
Hope this helps.
I have been getting up to speed on Fusion 360 and want to use it for four things:
- Designing woodworking projects and making rendered images, drawings, and cut lists for them.
- Designing woodworking projects to be cut on my CNC which uses Mach4 control software.
- Designing objects for 3D printing.
- Design of electronic projects (This is a low priority as I have other options)
I do this purely as a hobby, not a business. I just found out about 3DEXPERIENCE SOLIDWORKS? for Makers. It is my understanding that this version of Solidworks has almost all the features of the professional versions. The issues/limitations that I am aware of are:
- The watermarks on exported native file formats (as Brian Lamb pointed out). They prevent exporting native file formats for use in other software including the professional versions of Solidworks. They can, however, be imported and used by other people who have maker versions of the software. The export of generic (dumb) file formats are supported without restriction.
- The fact that it is web based. I really don’t like this, but Fusion is web based too.
- The fact that it will not allow any 3rd party plugins. I’m not sure this is really that important to me for my use cases, am I missing something?
- The CAM part of the software (I believe it’s called shop floor manufacturing) seems limited to 3 axes. My CNC currently supports 3 axes but could add a fourth. I would use the fourth axis to add a turning capability.
- The fact that it is not free. At only $99 per year this is really a non-issue for me.
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?
Some of the unknowns for me include:
- How does the learning curve for Solidworks compare to Fusion?
- What is the availability/cost of training?
?
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Since it supposedly has all the Solidworks professional version features (except as noted above), I assume it will have design layers and part nesting. These features were recently mentioned by David Best who indicated that the Fusion team has no interest in providing them. I don’t know how long the Maker version has been available, but I was hoping you would comment David on whether you considered this version of Solidworks and if so, why you chose Fusion. ?
I have invested a fair amount of time in leaning Fusion but I am certainly not an expert. To gain fully featured professional CAD software, I could be convinced to switch. All the above is based on my somewhat limited research I have done this weekend. It may certainly contain mistakes and/or misunderstandings. I would very much like to take advantage of the group’s expertise and ask for your feedback. ?
Thanks in advance. ?
-????????? Scott Hanna
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Re: Building a new shop - Should I move to Norfab/Quick Clamp Ductwork?
Sorry to be replying to an older topic but I went searching for GRIT Automation products and this one popped up --plus-- I enjoyed the discussion of Norfab and other types of clamp-together systems.
My question is how do you like the GRIT system after using it for a while? I was set to run with iVAC until I came across a video (?on the GRIT system and became intriqued. I have three-phase equipment receiving power through a Phase Perfect. ?I would like to automate some blast gates as well as be able to remotely turn on/off my RL 160 that is in a closed-in lean-to attached to the back of my building with a little bit of a hike to get out to it.
I would also like to comment on Blast Gate co. I decided to go with Blast Gate after getting Norfab quotes. I have made multiple orders with Blast Gate as there was no way I was going to completely nail every single part I needed the first or even fifth time. As I was installing the ducting, I would run into an obstacle or I would realize I really wanted to run the ducting or drop differently and had to submit another order. I worked with Dan McCulla who has been absolutely phenomenal as well as patient as hell with my endless questions. Norfab is a heavier gauge but after receiving my Blast Gate ducting/fitting, I'm not certain that, for my usage, heavier gauge would be worth the additional price of Norfab. I am a small one-person shop (sometimes two-person when my son comes over) so the Blast Gate ducting will more than suffice.
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Re: AD941 Alignment Procedure
For full disclosure, I also spoke with a Felder tech, but Imran spent the most time with me.
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Re: Fusion 360 vs. Solidworks for Makers
This is the add-in you need:
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On Jul 1, 2023, at 10:23 PM, Anthony Quesada <tonymiga2@...> wrote:
David,
Count me as very interested in your process for excel to fusion parametric import. ?Saving and exporting parametric lists has been a feature I have been craving and from my research there was no easy solution.
Anthony
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Re: Fusion 360 vs. Solidworks for Makers
David,
Count me as very interested in your process for excel to fusion parametric import. Saving and exporting parametric lists has been a feature I have been craving and from my research there was no easy solution.
Anthony
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Re: Fusion 360 vs. Solidworks for Makers
Hi Scott,
I am only vaguely familiar with Solidworks, so I probably can’t offer much advice on that topic. ?I didn’t consider Solidworks because at the time either the “affordable” versions weren’t available or I was unaware of their existence. ?I was attracted to Fusion initially through John Saunders (NYCCNC) who is an acquaintance. ?I visited his shop in 2017, took a CNC class with him, met some of the Fusion managers, and liked what they were trying to achieve. ?I discussed Solidworks with John and one of the HSM post-processor gurus at the time, and concluded it it didn’t meet my needs even if I were willing to pay for the full product. ?John agreed with my assessment and encouraged me to pursue the Fusion path. ?At the time, the full version of Fusion was free, but it also lacked some of the features I needed (more sophisticated drawing facility in particular). ?By 2000, Fusion had evolved and improved to the point that I thought it was a viable candidate for my need. ?Also by then I had given up on the idea of moving to CNC VMC milling machine as a pursuit. ?So I never tuned back into Solidworks.
The full featured version of Fusion includes a nesting layout facility. ?The free version does not, but there are low cost extensions that do provide the facility. ?I’ve been playing with this, and it looks like it will meet my needs (although I’m not looking for a direct path to a CNC router): ?
In addition, Autodesk offers a pretty elaborate nesting extension for Fusion - I have no familiarity with it, but they clearly think highly of it. ?? There are several YouTube videos about this package. ?There is also a 3rd party plug-in that is much more affordable which you can check out here: ?? You might also check out this plug-in: ?? ?There is quite an extensive library of extension plug-ins which you can see at this link: ?
The layers functionality is only interesting to me in the context of the drawing facility, and I haven’t yet run into any walls because it doesn’t support layering. ?I am in pretty constant communication with the 2D product manager for Fusion who manages all the drawing facilities from London, and I have generally been pleased with their progress against commitments and stated goals. ?He continues to ask for feedback, suggestions, and for copies of what I do with Fusion that’s related to woodworking. ?That said, it is clear to me that his first priority for the 2D team is to satisfy the needs of larger organizations like Boeing, Airbus, etc. ?You can see that influence in the 2D environment by virtue of their ANSI and ISO title block parameters and legends (none of which I care about). ?You can see the Fusion 360 2D roadmap here: ?
In terms of how Fusion or Solidworks might interface with your CNC router, I can’t help, but I”m sure the Fusion sales team has a good handle compatible post-processors. ?You can also find the included posts in the Manufacturing domain of Fusion by clicking on Manage>Post Library. ?This might also be useful: ?
Hope this helps.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Jul 1, 2023, at 5:36 PM, Sawdust77 <rscotthanna@...> wrote:
I have been getting up to speed on Fusion 360 and want to use it for four things:
- Designing woodworking projects and making rendered images, drawings, and cut lists for them.
- Designing woodworking projects to be cut on my CNC which uses Mach4 control software.
- Designing objects for 3D printing.
- Design of electronic projects (This is a low priority as I have other options)
I do this purely as a hobby, not a business. I just found out about 3DEXPERIENCE SOLIDWORKS? for Makers. It is my understanding that this version of Solidworks has almost all the features of the professional versions. The issues/limitations that I am aware of are:
- The watermarks on exported native file formats (as Brian Lamb pointed out). They prevent exporting native file formats for use in other software including the professional versions of Solidworks. They can, however, be imported and used by other people who have maker versions of the software. The export of generic (dumb) file formats are supported without restriction.
- The fact that it is web based. I really don’t like this, but Fusion is web based too.
- The fact that it will not allow any 3rd party plugins. I’m not sure this is really that important to me for my use cases, am I missing something?
- The CAM part of the software (I believe it’s called shop floor manufacturing) seems limited to 3 axes. My CNC currently supports 3 axes but could add a fourth. I would use the fourth axis to add a turning capability.
- The fact that it is not free. At only $99 per year this is really a non-issue for me.
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Some of the unknowns for me include:
- How does the learning curve for Solidworks compare to Fusion?
- What is the availability/cost of training?
?
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Since it supposedly has all the Solidworks professional version features (except as noted above), I assume it will have design layers and part nesting. These features were recently mentioned by David Best who indicated that the Fusion team has no interest in providing them. I don’t know how long the Maker version has been available, but I was hoping you would comment David on whether you considered this version of Solidworks and if so, why you chose Fusion. ?
I have invested a fair amount of time in leaning Fusion but I am certainly not an expert. To gain fully featured professional CAD software, I could be convinced to switch. All the above is based on my somewhat limited research I have done this weekend. It may certainly contain mistakes and/or misunderstandings. I would very much like to take advantage of the group’s expertise and ask for your feedback. ?
Thanks in advance. ?
-????????? Scott Hanna
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Re: Fusion 360 vs. Solidworks for Makers
I posted about Shapr3D earlier ( /g/felderownersgroup/message/131051). ?For modeling and prototyping, it’s great. ?I can certainly see the attractiveness of that platform. ?But it isn’t a full fledged CAD system and doesn’t support parametric facilities. ?For instance, below is a screen shot of the parameters I create for a generalized cabinet design model in Fusion 360 - I just enter the yellow cells in Excel, export it as a CSV file and can bring it right into my Fusion 360 model and the entire cabinet model morphs to fit the stated parameters - presto! ?This is the basis of the next YouTube series I’m working on using Fusion 360 for woodworking.
This cabinet was created from that set of parameters:
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On Jul 1, 2023, at 6:12 PM, Larry Long Neck <longneckwood@...> wrote:
Shapr3d is great, and it's what I currently use (supports windows OS as well), but if someone is proficient in fusion360, they might find Shapr3d to be a bit lacking on features.
You still get constraint based sketches in Shapr3d that you use to build your 3d bodies initially, but then you can use direct modeling once they exist. It's a nice balance between SketchUp and fusion360 for me, but i was specifically looking for direct modeling capabilities in something that wasn't SketchUp :)
When switching to Shapr3d from fusion360, you lose all of the parametric capabilities and the timeline features. I think that fusion360 also has a more powerful renderer for making nice pictures of your models? I'm not sure if Shapr3d works well for creating the solid bodies (is this the right term?) used for 3d printing or not, but I definitely haven't seen a way to do any type of part nesting in Shapr3d. I'm not aware of third party plugin support on Shapr3d either, but maybe it exists.
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Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
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Re: 3 phase high leg placement
Hi Chris,
Normally, the schematic shows exactly which 2 lines are connected to the transformer. However, this is not useful because we have heard of machines that were not wired according to the print (schematic). So to be sure, one has to confirm.
In your case, none of this info is shown in the schematic because the transformer, along with other critical parts, is located on the PCB. So we know that L1, L2, L3 are on the X1 connector of the PCB but no info is provided regarding the connections that are made on the PCB.
Rod’s method is the least amount of effort to identify lines connected to the transformer. Alternatively, one will need to beep out the transformer connections to find out which pins of the electrical plug they are currently connected to.
If you want to go continuity check route, first take a good look at the transformer. It is soldered on the PCB. Likely, you will need to access the back side of the PCB and then you will need to distinguish input winding from output winding. Only input winding will beep to the line on the X1 connector.
I have tried to help other owners privately and some do not know how to use a multimeter. If you want to go this route it may be best to talk live. I am off next 3 days so should be able to make time. Just send me a private msg.
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On Jul 1, 2023, at 8:53 PM, chris connolly <connollyack@...> wrote: ? Thanks for the feedback guys. Imran, I’m curious if you are able to determine the appropriate high leg position from looking at the schematic and if so, how.? On Jul 1, 2023, at 3:10 PM, Joshua Tolve <joshuatolve@...> wrote:
? I can confirm the 2nd leg, I just completed the commissioning form for my saw shaper.? Tolve construction On Jul 1, 2023, at 12:19 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Chris, ? I have an odd interest in Felder electrical schematics. The one you shared is very intriguing. I do not have exposure to older Felder schematics, so this one is new to me. More on this later, but I would follow Rod’s direction to identify the 2 lines connected to the transformer. I checked Rod’s suggestion against one schematic and it looks good. Basically, the way machine is wired only one pair will measure resistance, which is the resistance of the transformer input winding. A measurement on the 2 other pairings should be high resistance as you are measuring an open. If you measure resistance on more than 1 pair then I would not use this method. In that case, there are slightly more involved methods that could be utilized. BTW, I did not follow Rod’s step 6, I think there is a word missing but I understand the concept, hopefully you do too. ? Now back to your schematic. Your machine uses a PCB mounted solution. I have seen pictures of a larger PCB in an older KF700 but this one is rather small. It is from Siemens and PN is C98 451-D6094-A1. It is obsolete but I found a German site that apparently offers repaired units. ? Read on if further details are of interest to you. There are 3 images on the site but one below is good for illustration. I have attached a marked up drawing of this board, identifying few components and transferring signal types to the connectors for ease in locating them. ? <image001.jpg> ? The 24 VAC transformer is on bottom left. Based upon other Felder schematics that I have looked at, here is what I believe are some key components. K1 and K4 (tall black blocks with white covers) are relays. Typically one is start relay that turns on momentarily and then drops off, the 2nd one is latched and drops off with red button or any interlock. 3 brick red coils (with a wire going thru the middle) are for current sensing, assuming for braking function. Two white blocks, identified on mark up as S1 & S2, are likely for adjusting brake force and duration. ? Imran Malik ? ? ? Thanks for that Rod. The Felder tech I spoke with yesterday told me that 99% of the time the manufactured leg will go to Line 2 on the machine (usually brown wire). I will try you method to verify. ?I have attached the wiring diagram from my F700 shaper, any chance you could explain how one might decipher where the manufactured ?leg should go based on the diagram? Thank you ? ?
? Hi, the issue is to determine which 2 phases the control power supplies for the machine are connected to, you want those two lines connected to the non manufactured line of the phase converter.
If you have a true digital phase converter (rectifier/inverter) then it doesn?�?t matter, if you have a rotary converter it does matter.
You can check the drawing for your machine however I normally use a DVM to verify it.
1) unplug the machine, or open the breaker in the distribution panel
2) using AC Volts on the meter verify that you have no power in the machine
3) close (Turn on) the disconnect switch for the machine
4) using Ohms function on the DVM measure Phase A to Phase B, Phase A to phase C, and Phase B to Phase C
5) only one of those pairs will have continuity, maybe 10 to 100 ohms, this pair is the one with the control power supplies, it must be fed from the non manufactured line
6) you now need to either one of the control power leads in the machine to the non manufactured phase or reverse one pair of phases in the machine plug (doesn?�?t matter which pair)
7) If your machine motor goes backwards after changing the plug above, interchange one pair of wires going to the motor to reverse rotation, it doesn?�?t matter which pair.
Regards, Rod
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