Re: A3-31 calibration frequency
I was adjusting monthly on mine using heavier stock but i know other people who don¡¯t have that experience.
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?I have had a hammer a3-31 I was adjusting monthly and after anything over 4/4 full length stock was jointed. I know that¡¯s not the felder machine in question, but I have had an fs52es for a month now. It¡¯s very stoutly built with adjustment bolts flat not round headed so there is none of the denting I had from adjusters on the hammer. And adjusting our 8 thou of snipe from factory on jointing took about 5-10 minutes using the parallel adjuster. Before I knew what exact bolts to remove I was trying to adjust it using the lever with full force with the adjusters still locked at end of table and it was deflecting 2 thou and bouncing right back. It¡¯s solid.
I have a 10hp model with Tersa heads and mobility kit and double wall ( I believe it was an option) and I¡¯d do it again.
Packaging and communication from operation teams was clear and professional. They sent photos of the crate from all sides so we could compare on delivery day. They kept their word in spirit and contract the entire time before during and after the sales process. It seems there are no bad apples working there, in my experience.
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Re: Newbie with questions
I bought a used CF731 (2001 model)? well over 10 years ago and never looked back.
Yes, it takes some getting used to when coming from a std cabinet saw and separate planer and jointer setups, but overall quality and space saving are quite impressive. There is a need for increased planing of the steps required to complete a project as you generally want to limit the times to switch machine functions.
it is true that some of the setup changes (saw <-> shaper? or? jointer <-> planer) are a bit time consuming and any (complex) setup is lost. But also consider when buying/owning separate saw/shaper and jointer/planer machines, in essence the same change over problem exists.
With a 4 (or 5-) function machine in many situations the saw and jointer can be used with out much interference (sheet goods and large cross cuts excluded), if in planer mode the table saw is still usable for ripping (with some limitations). I think the biggest drawback is the shaper, when setup it prevents (or greatly limits) the use of most other functions. Shaper setup is tedious to start with, and replicating setups is even more tedious. Only way around this one is a standalone shaper.
I am a hobbyist so time is less critical, while floor space and cost are more critical. I do not think that a 4 (or 5-) function combo machine is a good fit for (most) commercial setups.
Klaus
Owner of CF731
-- Klaus
Owner of CF731
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The table elevation systems on the Minimax FS41ES / FS52ES is a reliable field-proven parallelogram system. ?The AD-951 uses a ¡°value engineered¡± eccentric cam mechanism that has proven to be more troublesome. ?I¡¯m not recommending the Minimax over the AD-951, but I can attest to the issues with the Felder system on the Dual 51, and the AD-951 is essentially the same machine with a different fence. ?I routinely recommend prospective buyers to evaluate the SCMI or new Martin J/P machines as a potential alternative. ?If anyone wants the reasoning behind this, DM me.
David Best
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On May 12, 2023, at 7:40 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
It's extremely hard to tell in the pictures, but the Minimax FS41ES / FS52ES --might-- have a longer distance between the alignment bolts/pegs when compared to the Felder AD951 (see pic below).? This might allow a slightly easier setup/alignment on the machine and to keep the alignment over time.? However, without anyone doing an actual measurement, it's impossible to tell.
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This is just one aspect of the machine and there are many other differences.
-Aaron
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Chris: I¡¯ve had the AD951 for 3 years¡ with heavy use; probably receives?the most use within my shop (K700S, Hammer N4400, and the AD951). All hardwoods; I¡¯m still on the original sides of the insert cutters.
Operationally, it is easy to use, powerful and precise. My only complaint is a slight mis-alignment of one out feed edges?at the cutter head¡ it is possible that my shop is the problem - there are significant fluctuations in?the?shop environment (temps and humidity).
Most of my work starts with rough-sawn, live-edge, 12¡±+ wide?planks that require 4- side surfacing; so, I ask a lot of the machine. I added outfeed tables to?the planer,?and have the power drive and silent cutter options.
I have no experience with the Minimax line, and I read consistently good reviews of their?equipment.
Mike D.
On Friday, May 12, 2023, 21:55, Christopherchen87@... wrote: Has anybody had experience with either of these machines? Any thoughts as to choose one over the other?
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Mike D.
Annapolis, MD
AD951; K700S; N4400
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It's extremely hard to tell in the pictures, but the Minimax FS41ES / FS52ES --might-- have a longer distance between the alignment bolts/pegs when compared to the Felder AD951 (see pic below).? This might allow a slightly easier setup/alignment on the machine and to keep the alignment over time.? However, without anyone doing an actual measurement, it's impossible to tell.  This is just one aspect of the machine and there are many other differences. -Aaron
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I have the FS41ES. Amazing, perfect out of the box! ?Couldn¡¯t be happier. ?
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On May 13, 2023, at 10:55 AM, Christopherchen87@... wrote:
?Has anybody had experience with either of these machines? Any thoughts as to choose one over the other?
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Has anybody had experience with either of these machines? Any thoughts as to choose one over the other?
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Re: Kappa 40 X-motion pricing input
Fred, if this were a Kappa 400 instead of a Kappa 40, I would have a different opinion. ?My guess is it¡¯s worth $12-14K, but I would recommend you contact Tom Morris - he sold a similar Kappa 40 a couple years ago when he upgraded to Martin T70. ?You can email Tom at?tmorris13@...
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On May 12, 2023, at 11:53 AM, fred burgess via groups.io <fredbhelp@...> wrote:
Respectfully request any guidance on pricing for a Kappa 40 X-Motion late 2011¡ªHobby use
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- 3 phase 230 volt +/- 10% --5.5 kw
- scoring ¡ªraises and lowers electrically with automatic height adjustment
- Overhead guard with comfort adjustment
- 3200 mm sliding table
- electrical on switches for main blade and scoring at end of sliding table
- Outrigger table with 3200 mm cross cut fence ¡ªtable size 1150 x 640 with digital stops
- Miter index scale with length compensation
- Flange set for dados
- Parallel fence
- auxiliary fence
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Thanks
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Fred Burgess
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Re: Pricing for used Felder tools
Jim
I think the Dual 51 is is worth $8-10K, but final value would vary depending on cutterhead and condition and options. ?If I were buying (which I¡¯m not) I¡¯d want to know if it has the SilentPower or Terra or Felder knife cutterhead, whether it has Power-Drive or Digi-Drive on the planer table elevation, if it has variable feed speed on the planer, what size motor, and if it has rubber feed rollers. ?Here is the price list for the Dual 51 circa 2005:
The KF700 is probably worth more like $5K.
David Best
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On May 12, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Jim Fleming <jameshfleming@...> wrote:
Diablo Woodworkers (East Bay SF) is assisting the spouse of a deceased woodworker in disposing of a shop full of quality tools, many new in box, others older but very lightly used if at all.? I would like any suggestions for pricing.???Here is the Felder section of the list.? Some prices have been suggested by others as shown, but I am not sure of the basis.? Further information and/or photos may be available.? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
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Power Feed Support Arm |
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Probably Felder based on the green color |
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Power Feed Arm |
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probably Felder based on the green color |
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UP |
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Felder |
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New in box, looks like a guide of some sort [shipped 2013] |
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Felder |
20" Jointer/Planer |
Format 4 Dual 51 3 ph? |
2006 model purchased in 2008. Looks unused - no plug |
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$ 10,000 |
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Felder |
Eccentric Hold Downs |
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New in box |
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Felder |
Slider/Shaper w/ Feeder |
Model KF700 3 ph? |
Purchased new in 2001 |
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$ 10,000 |
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Felder |
Shaper Arbor |
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Found in bench drawer |
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Felder |
Shaper Cutting Head |
04-2-098 MAN |
Found in bench drawer |
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Felder |
Shaper Cutting Head |
131[93]x40x30 |
With inter-changeable cutter sets; with wooden case |
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Felder |
Track Saw Guide rail |
FS 1080/2 |
Stated as $115 new |
$ 115 |
$ 60 |
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Re: Pricing for used Felder tools
I think the Dual 20" is closer to fair than the KF.? I don't keep up on the JP but don't remember that the 2006 models had any issues the Format builds were pretty stout while the early 2000s 700 series did have some design weaknesses.? Equipment prices are
crazy right now so any comparable from a couple of years ago is way off.? Dave
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I think the pricing on the KF and the Dual51 are pretty optimistic.
They're old - unused , but old nonetheless.? The slider is practically ancient - meaning no x-roll or dbl. trunion, which drives the price down especially for a commercial setting.
Felder has a 2011 in single phase now for $9500-? I'd think that'd represent the top of the market.? Which brings us to 3ph machines.? That's going to narrow the buying pool considerably.? You really should find out / list what options these machine have too.?
Silent Power heads and digital drives affect the value a lot.
The tracksaw guide rail is Festool , not Felder and the price is $125.? If it's new, should fetch at least $100 by the end of the week.
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Re: Pricing for used Felder tools
I think the pricing on the KF and the Dual51 are pretty optimistic.
They're old - unused , but old nonetheless.? The slider is practically ancient - meaning no x-roll or dbl. trunion, which drives the price down especially for a commercial setting.
Felder has a 2011 in single phase now for $9500-? I'd think that'd represent the top of the market.? Which brings us to 3ph machines.? That's going to narrow the buying pool considerably.? You really should find out / list what options these machine have too.? Silent Power heads and digital drives affect the value a lot.
The tracksaw guide rail is Festool , not Felder and the price is $125.? If it's new, should fetch at least $100 by the end of the week.
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Kappa 40 X-motion pricing input
Respectfully request any guidance on pricing for a Kappa 40 X-Motion late 2011¡ªHobby use
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- 3 phase 230 volt +/- 10% --5.5 kw
- scoring ¡ªraises and lowers electrically with automatic height adjustment
- Overhead guard with comfort adjustment
- 3200 mm sliding table
- electrical on switches for main blade and scoring at end of sliding table
- Outrigger table with 3200 mm cross cut fence ¡ªtable size 1150 x 640 with digital stops
- Miter index scale with length compensation
- Flange set for dados
- Parallel fence
- auxiliary fence
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Thanks
?
Fred Burgess
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Re: A3-31 calibration frequency
Thanks for the follow up. Small sample size so far, but I'm going to classify this as I screwed something up originally - whether incorrectly calibrated or maybe didn't properly tighten a jam nut somewhere i'm not sure yet.?
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Pricing for used Felder tools
Diablo Woodworkers (East Bay SF) is assisting the spouse of a deceased woodworker in disposing of a shop full of quality tools, many new in box, others older but very lightly used if at all.? I would like any suggestions for pricing.???Here is the Felder section of the list.? Some prices have been suggested by others as shown, but I am not sure of the basis.? Further information and/or photos may be available.? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
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Felder |
Power Feed Support Arm |
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Probably Felder based on the green color |
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UP |
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Power Feed Arm |
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probably Felder based on the green color |
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UP |
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Felder |
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New in box, looks like a guide of some sort [shipped 2013] |
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Felder |
20" Jointer/Planer |
Format 4 Dual 51 3 ph? |
2006 model purchased in 2008. Looks unused - no plug |
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$ 10,000 |
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Felder |
Eccentric Hold Downs |
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New in box |
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Felder |
Slider/Shaper w/ Feeder |
Model KF700 3 ph? |
Purchased new in 2001 |
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$ 10,000 |
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Felder |
Shaper Arbor |
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Found in bench drawer |
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Felder |
Shaper Cutting Head |
04-2-098 MAN |
Found in bench drawer |
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Felder |
Shaper Cutting Head |
131[93]x40x30 |
With inter-changeable cutter sets; with wooden case |
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Felder |
Track Saw Guide rail |
FS 1080/2 |
Stated as $115 new |
$ 115 |
$ 60 |
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Re: Customer service (or lack thereof)
I have been in touch with Ruan and he was able to offer (after some negotiation) a replacement slider or $2500 refund. That is roughly a 16% discount of what I paid for the saw unit alone.?I feel that it is?a fair deal, and have accepted his offer.?This isn't my forever saw and the sliding table is in alignment and works otherwise, so I can live with it. Yes, the resale value is slightly lower, but I think the refund makes up for it and allows me to purchase some other equipment right away.
I would like to extend many thanks and much gratitude to David Best for his guidance with my claim issues and his work behind the scenes on my behalf. I'm not sure I would have gotten anywhere, or nearly as quickly, without his support. Thank you, David!
Thank you,
Steve
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Re: Customer service (or lack thereof)
Mike, I would be stupid to disagree with your sentiment and have suggested operational changes to Felder aimed at preventing these situations in the future. ? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On May 12, 2023, at 9:14 AM, Mike D. via groups.io <mjcdorsam@...> wrote:
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Dave: With significant respect to you¡ someone of your stature should not have to get involved for Felder to do the right thing. Similarly, someone of Ruan¡¯s?standing should not have to get involved.
This particular issue is not mine, and it¡¯s not my place to sound a voice;?though, I have been down this road more than once?with the Delaware office, and I¡¯m venting a bit - my two cents. Thanks for stepping in!.
Everyone¡ Do Take Care. Mike D.
On Friday, May 12, 2023, 11:53, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote: I contacted Ruan last Monday on Steven¡¯s behalf. ?His situation is being handled and I¡¯m sure he will update the group soon. ? Everybody relax.? David Best - via mobile phone? On May 11, 2023, at 10:03 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
? This evening I sent this email:Dear Mr. duToit,
Allow me to introduce myself.? I am the reason you and all Felder Employees have jobs and a place to live and money to pay for food.? I am a Felder owner.? I am the customer.??
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As a Felder Owner¡¯s Group forum member for many years, I was very disappointed to read the above thread.? I personally had no negative experiences as my sales representative was Carl Knapp who is excellent, and there were no shipping or other issues.? It is easy when there are no problems.? What really tests the integrity of a company is how a company behaves when there are problems.
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If I were in your position, my response would be to call the customer personally without delay, say ¡°I am sorry¡± and offer to do whatever is needed to make things right, and then do it.
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Sincerely,
45 minutes later, I received this reply:Dear Joel
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I have been in touch with Steven and will make it right. Thanks for your care and support in sending this email.?
Ruan du Toit
-- Mike D. Annapolis, MD AD951; K700S; N4400
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Dave: With significant respect to you¡ someone of your stature should not have to get involved for Felder to do the right thing. Similarly, someone of Ruan¡¯s?standing should not have to get involved.
This particular issue is not mine, and it¡¯s not my place to sound a voice;?though, I have been down this road more than once?with the Delaware office, and I¡¯m venting a bit - my two cents. Thanks for stepping in!.
Everyone¡ Do Take Care. Mike D.
On Friday, May 12, 2023, 11:53, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote: I contacted Ruan last Monday on Steven¡¯s behalf. ?His situation is being handled and I¡¯m sure he will update the group soon. ? Everybody relax.? David Best - via mobile phone? On May 11, 2023, at 10:03 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
? This evening I sent this email:Dear Mr. duToit,
Allow me to introduce myself.? I am the reason you and all Felder Employees have jobs and a place to live and money to pay for food.? I am a Felder owner.? I am the customer.??
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As a Felder Owner¡¯s Group forum member for many years, I was very disappointed to read the above thread.? I personally had no negative experiences as my sales representative was Carl Knapp who is excellent, and there were no shipping or other issues.? It is easy when there are no problems.? What really tests the integrity of a company is how a company behaves when there are problems.
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If I were in your position, my response would be to call the customer personally without delay, say ¡°I am sorry¡± and offer to do whatever is needed to make things right, and then do it.
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Sincerely,
45 minutes later, I received this reply:Dear Joel
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I have been in touch with Steven and will make it right. Thanks for your care and support in sending this email.?
Ruan du Toit
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Mike D.
Annapolis, MD
AD951; K700S; N4400
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Re: Customer service (or lack thereof)
I contacted Ruan last Monday on Steven¡¯s behalf. ?His situation is being handled and I¡¯m sure he will update the group soon. ? Everybody relax.? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On May 11, 2023, at 10:03 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
? This evening I sent this email:Dear Mr. duToit,
Allow me to introduce myself.? I am the reason you and all Felder Employees have jobs and a place to live and money to pay for food.? I am a Felder owner.? I am the customer.??
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As a Felder Owner¡¯s Group forum member for many years, I was very disappointed to read the above thread.? I personally had no negative experiences as my sales representative was Carl Knapp who is excellent, and there were no shipping or other issues.? It is easy when there are no problems.? What really tests the integrity of a company is how a company behaves when there are problems.
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If I were in your position, my response would be to call the customer personally without delay, say ¡°I am sorry¡± and offer to do whatever is needed to make things right, and then do it.
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Sincerely,
45 minutes later, I received this reply:Dear Joel
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I have been in touch with Steven and will make it right. Thanks for your care and support in sending this email.?
Ruan du Toit
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Re: A3-31 calibration frequency
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David P. Best
Jim Fleming