Re: Saw controls on slider
FWIW, recall a post (I could be wrong but thought it was here) where hammer control switches were receiving 240vac. This was not a super old machine.
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On Mar 8, 2023, at 1:14 PM, aero_qfi <davesawdon@...> wrote: ?Well: the diagram shipped with the machine says the controls are at mains potential and doesn't show a traffo, the contactors have 220V coils, and physical inspection shows that there isn't a traffo ... pretty conclusive in my book. It would be quite tricky to get a probe onto one side of a contactor and I don't feel like disturbing everything. The 500mA fuses have no bearing on the voltage, and are appropriate to protect from a coil failure.
On this machine (made in 1996) all the controls are on the body of the machine and the wiring is internal, so there is no violation of safety standards.
Taking the cover off had an unexpected benefit - I spotted that one of the caps is becoming rather obese and may soon exceed the ability of its casing to restrain its innards. A bit of preventative maintenance is in order.
Dave (in the UK)
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Lucky, Everything was working fine until it wasn't. No idea what might have caused this. It seems I remember having the problem before and it was a simple matter of putting in a reference setting into the stop. We tried that without success. He said it may be that the batteries sat dead for a long time. I don't think so.
I haven't cut any angles on this saw yet. Seems I always do that on the chop saw, but if I did, I can see where it would be very handy. The chop saw is just so quick, where with the saw I need to start the Phase Perfect then wait for the saw to start up, then the dust extractor. So I don't seem to use it for a quick job. I'm sure if this was my business and I left the system running all the time, it would see more use.
Bill
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On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 2:17?PM David Luckensmeyer via <dhluckens= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Bill:
How did the error come about? It surely is unusual to have to dive into the electrical box and mess with dip switches? Glad you were able to get it sorted! I have the digital angle but not the length compensation. It’s an expensive option that
I sometimes which I had bought. Out of curiosity, do you use the function very much?
After changing batteries and doing all I could with the information pages and reading the threads, I called Felder and Kelly walked me through resetting the system. The outrigger was on channel 0 which he didn't like so we changed it to 3, while the crosscut
fences were set to channel 1.
This involved removing the electrical panel. :(
We messed with dip switches on and off so there's no way I can give anyone a step by step.
But it's fixed.
Bill Bélanger
On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 5:24?PM David P. Best via
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That’s a transmission error between your digital stop and the unit that calculates the distance offset when the fence is angled.? Could be a weak battery, or some interference on the bluetooth channel.? You might want to search around this posting in the
archive:
On Mar 7, 2023, at 3:47 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
Sorry to ask this again, I asked about 3 years ago and now I don't remember and can't find the answer.
What is this display telling me and how to I fix it? I've checked batteries...
Thanks in advance.
Bill Bélanger
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Hi Bill:
How did the error come about? It surely is unusual to have to dive into the electrical box and mess with dip switches? Glad you were able to get it sorted! I have the digital angle but not the length compensation. It’s an expensive option that
I sometimes which I had bought. Out of curiosity, do you use the function very much?
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After changing batteries and doing all I could with the information pages and reading the threads, I called Felder and Kelly walked me through resetting the system. The outrigger was on channel 0 which he didn't like so we changed it to 3, while the crosscut
fences were set to channel 1.
This involved removing the electrical panel. :(
We messed with dip switches on and off so there's no way I can give anyone a step by step.
But it's fixed.
Bill Bélanger
On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 5:24?PM David P. Best via
<dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote:
That’s a transmission error between your digital stop and the unit that calculates the distance offset when the fence is angled.? Could be a weak battery, or some interference on the bluetooth channel.? You might want to search around this posting in the
archive:
On Mar 7, 2023, at 3:47 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
Sorry to ask this again, I asked about 3 years ago and now I don't remember and can't find the answer.
What is this display telling me and how to I fix it? I've checked batteries...
Thanks in advance.
Bill Bélanger
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After changing batteries and doing all I could with the information pages and reading the threads, I called Felder and Kelly walked me through resetting the system. The outrigger was on channel 0 which he didn't like so we changed it to 3, while the crosscut fences were set to channel 1. This involved removing the electrical panel. :( We messed with dip switches on and off so there's no way I can give anyone a step by step. But it's fixed.
Bill Bélanger
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On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 5:24?PM David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote: That’s a transmission error between your digital stop and the unit that calculates the distance offset when the fence is angled.? Could be a weak battery, or some interference on the bluetooth channel.? You might want to search around this posting in the archive:
On Mar 7, 2023, at 3:47 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
Sorry to ask this again, I asked about 3 years ago and now I don't remember and can't find the answer.
What is this display telling me and how to I fix it? I've checked batteries...
Thanks in advance.
Bill Bélanger
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Re: Felder "D963" Planer yr 2017 - 10kw auction price
You’re around 19k usd, I had one quoted in January with end of year pricing. Regular “discount” pricing probably closer to 20k.?
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On Mar 8, 2023, at 2:57 PM, Bespoke Woodworking <info@...> wrote:
?Just FYI for used Felder pricing.
D963 Planer yr 2017 - 10kw, 208v 3ph, powerdrive + digidrive, silent cutterhead, low hours
Sold this morning for $16,600 + 15% fee in Canadian dollars via machinery max. Machine looked to be in very good condition.
Anyone know what that machine would go for new?
Alex
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Felder "D963" Planer yr 2017 - 10kw auction price
Just FYI for used Felder pricing.
D963 Planer yr 2017 - 10kw, 208v 3ph, powerdrive + digidrive, silent cutterhead, low hours
Sold this morning for $16,600 + 15% fee in Canadian dollars via machinery max. Machine looked to be in very good condition.
Anyone know what that machine would go for new?
Alex
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Re: Saw controls on slider
Well: the diagram shipped with the machine says the controls are at mains potential and doesn't show a traffo, the contactors have 220V coils, and physical inspection shows that there isn't a traffo ... pretty conclusive in my book. It would be quite tricky to get a probe onto one side of a contactor and I don't feel like disturbing everything. The 500mA fuses have no bearing on the voltage, and are appropriate to protect from a coil failure.
On this machine (made in 1996) all the controls are on the body of the machine and the wiring is internal, so there is no violation of safety standards.
Taking the cover off had an unexpected benefit - I spotted that one of the caps is becoming rather obese and may soon exceed the ability of its casing to restrain its innards. A bit of preventative maintenance is in order.
Dave (in the UK)
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Re: Saw controls on slider
You might find this file from the archives useful. ?This was the original Remote Pendant design we all implemented back in 2001. ?It lists the coiled wiring.?
When I upgraded to a new Felder saw with built-in remote controls, I relocated my remote pendant to my stacker so I can hoist myself up to pick cherries. ?That coiled cable has been bomb-proof. ?
David Best
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On Mar 8, 2023, at 10:00 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
It shows .5 amp fuses in the control circuits…. But before I’d trust a piece of paper, I’d put the meter on the wires and definitely know for sure what the voltage is.
Brian Lamb
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On Mar 8, 2023, at 10:46 AM, aero_qfi <davesawdon@...> wrote:
Sorry, I added my edit (about contactor coil specs) to the earlier post before I saw your response.
I have just been to the workshop with the aim of making a measurement to put this discussion to bed. When I removed the cover to the electrical box I found the attached wiring diagram and, although it's very slightly different to the one in the manual, you can see that there is no transformer for the controls. Physical inspection shows that there isn't a traffo and that the contactors are the same type listed on the parts list - with 220V coils.
I didn't mean to be argumentative about this but just wanted to prevent someone from assuming that a phone cable would be safe, when it may not be. In this case it would have been rather unsafe.
BTW, I'd intended to fix the auxiliary controls on the side of the slider but I like the idea of hooking them on, as shown in your photo.
Dave (in the UK)
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Re: Saw controls on slider
It shows .5 amp fuses in the control circuits…. But before I’d trust a piece of paper, I’d put the meter on the wires and definitely know for sure what the voltage is.
Brian Lamb
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On Mar 8, 2023, at 10:46 AM, aero_qfi <davesawdon@...> wrote:
Sorry, I added my edit (about contactor coil specs) to the earlier post before I saw your response.
I have just been to the workshop with the aim of making a measurement to put this discussion to bed. When I removed the cover to the electrical box I found the attached wiring diagram and, although it's very slightly different to the one in the manual, you can see that there is no transformer for the controls. Physical inspection shows that there isn't a traffo and that the contactors are the same type listed on the parts list - with 220V coils.
I didn't mean to be argumentative about this but just wanted to prevent someone from assuming that a phone cable would be safe, when it may not be. In this case it would have been rather unsafe.
BTW, I'd intended to fix the auxiliary controls on the side of the slider but I like the idea of hooking them on, as shown in your photo.
Dave (in the UK)
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Re: Saw controls on slider
Sorry, I added my edit (about contactor coil specs) to the earlier post before I saw your response.
I have just been to the workshop with the aim of making a measurement to put this discussion to bed. When I removed the cover to the electrical box I found the attached wiring diagram and, although it's very slightly different to the one in the manual, you can see that there is no transformer for the controls. Physical inspection shows that there isn't a traffo and that the contactors are the same type listed on the parts list - with 220V coils.
I didn't mean to be argumentative about this but just wanted to prevent someone from assuming that a phone cable would be safe, when it may not be. In this case it would have been rather unsafe.
BTW, I'd intended to fix the auxiliary controls on the side of the slider but I like the idea of hooking them on, as shown in your photo.
Dave (in the UK)
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Re: Saw controls on slider
I agree with Brian. ?Having those control circuits at 220V would be a violation of European safety standards. ?Put a volt meter on it.
David Best
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On Mar 8, 2023, at 8:45 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
I don’t think any machinery has had high voltage to the control circuits in the last 50 years, so I highly doubt you have 220V to the buttons.
Brian Lamb
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On Mar 8, 2023, at 9:37 AM, aero_qfi <davesawdon@...> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 03:40 PM, Brian Lamb wrote:
The start/stop and limit switch circuits are low voltage
Hmm, I've just gone back to look at the diagram and it shows a "control transformer" as being an option. I agree that 24V controls are pretty standard nowadays but this looks more like an isolating traffo (220V -220V/63VA) than one for LV so maybe Felder switched to LV controls on later models. When I find the right tuit to make the changes I'll check the voltage and report back.? Dave (in the UK)
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Re: Saw controls on slider
Voltmeter on the wires would be the true answer….
Brian Lamb
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On Mar 8, 2023, at 9:37 AM, aero_qfi <davesawdon@...> wrote:
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On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 03:40 PM, Brian Lamb wrote:
The start/stop and limit switch circuits are low voltage
Hmm, I've just gone back to look at the diagram and it shows a "control transformer" as being an option. I agree that 24V controls are pretty standard nowadays but this looks more like an isolating traffo (220V -220V/63VA) than one for LV so maybe Felder switched to LV controls on later models. When I find the right tuit to make the changes I'll check the voltage and report back.? Edited to add ... that I found the spec of the contactor shown on the parts listing: the coil voltage is 220V so I guess that's pretty conclusive Dave (in the UK)
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Re: Saw controls on slider
I don’t think any machinery has had high voltage to the control circuits in the last 50 years, so I highly doubt you have 220V to the buttons.
Brian Lamb
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www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Mar 8, 2023, at 9:37 AM, aero_qfi <davesawdon@...> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 03:40 PM, Brian Lamb wrote:
The start/stop and limit switch circuits are low voltage
Hmm, I've just gone back to look at the diagram and it shows a "control transformer" as being an option. I agree that 24V controls are pretty standard nowadays but this looks more like an isolating traffo (220V -220V/63VA) than one for LV so maybe Felder switched to LV controls on later models. When I find the right tuit to make the changes I'll check the voltage and report back.? Dave (in the UK)
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Re: Saw controls on slider
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 03:40 PM, Brian Lamb wrote:
The start/stop and limit switch circuits are low voltage
Hmm, I've just gone back to look at the diagram and it shows a "control transformer" as being an option. I agree that 24V controls are pretty standard nowadays but this looks more like an isolating traffo (220V -220V/63VA) than one for LV so maybe Felder switched to LV controls on later models. When I find the right tuit to make the changes I'll check the voltage and report back.? Edited to add ... that I found the spec of the contactor shown on the parts listing: the coil voltage is 220V so I guess that's pretty conclusive Dave (in the UK)
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Re: Cast iron table flatness issue
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That is unusual.? Nothing is hung from the table so it must have been screwed up forever.? Dave
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You would be surprised. I have an Oliver 232 that came out of a college's shop a few years ago, and the table is FAR from flat. I havent taken feeler gauges to it, but we arent?talking thousandths of an inch, it's visibly tenths of an inch. Still,
its a good little rip/dado saw for me. It has a very tight footprint, fence is rock solid, and it looks nice in the shop.?
Patrick
I bet this old boy's trunnions don't sag.
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Re: Saw controls on slider
The start/stop and limit switch circuits are low voltage, 24V is what mine is.
Brian Lamb
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On Mar 8, 2023, at 3:51 AM, aero_qfi <davesawdon@...> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Martens wrote:
I would opt for a phone cable with rj10/11 connectors, cheap, easy to replace and relatively robust AFAICT
That's not a terribly good idea for 240V. Maybe some of the machines have LV switchgear but AFAICS the BF6 does not. Dave (in the UK)
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Re: Cast iron table flatness issue
#k700s
You would be surprised. I have an Oliver 232 that came out of a college's shop a few years ago, and the table is FAR from flat. I havent taken feeler gauges to it, but we arent?talking thousandths of an inch, it's visibly tenths of an inch. Still, its a good little rip/dado saw for me. It has a very tight footprint, fence is rock solid, and it looks nice in the shop.?
Patrick
I bet this old boy's trunnions don't sag. ? 
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Re: Cast iron table flatness issue
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Actually the Oliver 260 did have something similar to trunnion issues.? the rotating dual blade mechanism was prone to warpage if the blades were rotated when they were tilted.? Something to watch for when buying an otherwise handy machine.? the Oliver sliding
table design was also not their best idea.? There can be some lateral play although the table is so heavy it tends to stay straight through the cut unless really heavy.? Dave
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I bet this old boy's trunnions don't sag.
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Re: Cast iron table flatness issue
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I bet this old boy's trunnions don't sag. ? 
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Re: To Keep or not to keep Cabinet saw
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