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Re: Shaper question

 

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Thanks David, it¡¯s not often i get a compliment on being a smart ass but what I am really doing here is poking the bear but he¡¯s not falling for my shenanigans.

Regards, Mark

On Jun 28, 2022, at 6:56 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:

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Hi Mark:

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I am just loving your ¡°panto-router¡± comments thrust amongst various threads. This last one hit my funny bone. Thanks for the laugh!

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Warm regards,

Lucky

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...>
Date: Wednesday, 29 June 2022 at 03:51
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Shaper question

Dan, humm that gets me thinking, maybe panto router could do this?

Regards, Mark



On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:

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In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..?



On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:

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Mark,?

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If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?

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-Brett

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On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 10:14 AM Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.

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It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.

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I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.

?

I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?

?

Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think i could do Felder.

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Regards, Mark

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--

Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...


Re: Shaper question

 

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Hi Mark:

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I am just loving your ¡°panto-router¡± comments thrust amongst various threads. This last one hit my funny bone. Thanks for the laugh!

?

Warm regards,

Lucky

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...>
Date: Wednesday, 29 June 2022 at 03:51
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Shaper question

Dan, humm that gets me thinking, maybe panto router could do this?

Regards, Mark



On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:

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In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..?



On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:

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Mark,?

?

If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?

?

-Brett

?

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 10:14 AM Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:

?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.

?

It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.

?

I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.

?

I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?

?

Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think i could do Felder.

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Regards, Mark

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?

--

Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...


Re: Shaper question

 
Edited

Mark, before I got my 3 phase completed I had to do a lot of this kind of thing on a router table. It was all hand fed, and while tedious the results were fine. I used exclusively soft woods and mdf, so can¡¯t comment on the oak. I have run a lot of red oak through my shaper though and it didn¡¯t seem sensitive to feed rates etc.

36 shutters 26 x 72¡±, ?25 six panel doors, acres of frame and panel detail¡­three garage doors.

I used bits from Infinity with only the very occasional touch up with a diamond file.?

That said, I hope to never use my router table again now that I have a proper shaper. Well, three in fact.

Greg

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Re: KF700 table extension for sale, How/where to list

 

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Hi Jack,

You just sent the email to the group, so there you go! I would give a price, location and what you want to charge to ship. That¡¯s a nice table, fits the F-channel. Machines or the outfield of the planer.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Jun 28, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Jack via <hollisin@...> wrote:

Brian

I have a KF700 F channel table extension for sale. Do you have any idea what it is worth, How to list it on FOG.

Thanks Jack <IMG_0141.jpg><IMG_0142.jpg>


KF700 table extension for sale, How/where to list

 

Brian

I have a KF700 F channel table extension for sale. Do you have any idea what it is worth, How to list it on FOG.

Thanks Jack


Re: Thoughts on Adding VFD to Multi Motor Machine

 

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7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell

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On Jun 28, 2022, at 2:46 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?This came up not too long ago and I decided to put something together that
one can consider as an option. This would be my approach if I had to do it
for my machine. I will be happy to help if someone wants to pursue this and
have questions. Just keep in mind that my availability depends upon what I
got going on.

Imran
https://www.facebook.com/groups/362481112015700/?ref=share






Thoughts on Adding VFD to Multi Motor Machine

 
Edited

This came up not too long ago and I decided to put something together that
one can consider as an option. This would be my approach if I had to do it
for my machine. I will be happy to help if someone wants to pursue this and
have questions. Just keep in mind that my availability depends upon what I
got going on.

Imran


Re: Hello From New Member

 

Great name, welcome Barrie!?


Re: Shaper question

 

I don¡¯t have a lot of input to offer, but I¡¯ve run many thousands of feet of siding through shapers with feeders and I¡¯d be shocked if you could find a mag-base with enough force to for a feeder. The forces they generate can be quite high.

If you¡¯re primarily using the shaper with a feeder I don¡¯t believe the slider adds much value. I¡¯ve made cope and stick doors on the shaper with a sliding jig. That likely would have been easier with a slider!

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 10:50 AM Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
Brett, I would hand scrape the profiles before I would ever buy a Griz.?
There are a ton of used shapers here?
?but may not be worth the expense if I don¡¯t plan on doing much shaping.?
Scm has a fixed shaft sliding shaper, looks like it is sized like the hammer for like $5500 but if i got a shaper i think i would want a tilting one.?

I have a jessem router life with a bosch in it so maybe that¡¯s the way to go. 1/4 hp feeder at shop gear is $750ish wonder if I could fab something up with a mag base to stick on the saw.?

Regards, Mark

On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:

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In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..?

On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:

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Mark,?

If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?

-Brett

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 10:14 AM Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.

It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.

I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.

I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?

Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think i could do Felder.


Regards, Mark




--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
(at


314.772.2167
brett@...


Re: Shaper question

 

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Dan, humm that gets me thinking, maybe panto router could do this?

Regards, Mark

On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:

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In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..?

On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:

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Mark,?

If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?

-Brett

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 10:14 AM Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.

It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.

I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.

I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?

Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think i could do Felder.


Regards, Mark




--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...


Re: Shaper question

 

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Brett, I would hand scrape the profiles before I would ever buy a Griz.?
There are a ton of used shapers here?
?but may not be worth the expense if I don¡¯t plan on doing much shaping.?
Scm has a fixed shaft sliding shaper, looks like it is sized like the hammer for like $5500 but if i got a shaper i think i would want a tilting one.?

I have a jessem router life with a bosch in it so maybe that¡¯s the way to go. 1/4 hp feeder at shop gear is $750ish wonder if I could fab something up with a mag base to stick on the saw.?

Regards, Mark

On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:

?
In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..?

On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:

?
Mark,?

If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?

-Brett

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 10:14 AM Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.

It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.

I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.

I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?

Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think i could do Felder.


Regards, Mark




--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...


Re: Shaper question

 

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In my opinion you need no less than a Martin T29 to complete that job..?

On Jun 28, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:

?
Mark,?

If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?

-Brett

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 10:14 AM Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.

It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.

I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.

I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?

Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think i could do Felder.


Regards, Mark




--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...


Re: Shaper question

 

Mark,?

If you are willing to compromise, you could?probably do okay on this job with a 3/4" Grizzly shaper and some brazed carbide joint cutters. But, man, the feeling of running a "compromised" machine, I can't imagine you'd stay satisfied with it for very long. I bet a good router table setup would provide comparable results and give you more versatility in the long run.?

-Brett

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 10:14 AM Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.

It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.

I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.

I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?

Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think i could do Felder.


Regards, Mark




--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110

314.772.2167
brett@...


Shaper question

 

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?I have an order for a friend that i have no business doing but was convinced after a year to do it.

It is interior shutters for 11-12 windows approximately 45¡± x 90¡±. There will be uppers and lowers 22.5¡± tall x 4 shutters wide (there is 1 or 2 that are wider that will be 6 shutters wide). They will be paint grade and the existing ones they tell me are painted red oak and would like the new ones the same. Most all of them are raised panel both sides with cope and stick the louvered ones are are just s4s and the louver is standard curve profile on one side flat on the other. Material thickness is 1¡±.

I was planning on just using a router table with a power feeder for the stick, cope and louver profile, I didn¡¯t want to buy a shaper because it¡¯s not like I will be doing these type of things in the future but after doing some rough numbers looks like 1000 lnft of profile and 350-400 cope cuts, plus the raised panel on both sides, we are talking 88-100 individual shutters.

I was thinking i could get away this one time with router and feeder, thoughts?

Or go shaper, I had shapers in the past but only ever ran profiles on them I subbed all my doors out. If i was to do a shaper it would probably be used, is a sliding table the way to go, There are a lot of used shapers without sliding tables on the market with power feeders for under 3k, i would love to eliminate my router table so something that I could run Routerbits would be good as well. I was thinking about that little hammer but honestly I don¡¯t think i could do Felder.


Regards, Mark



Re: Hello From New Member

 

Welcome Barrie!?

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and contributions.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN


Re: Kitchen Cabinet Standards

 

What blows my mind here is that I can order custom sized, dovetailed, hard maple, milled for undermount, drawer boxes for less than the cost of the materials to make melamine drawer boxes, not including labor.?

I suspect there's several factors going on here, everything from uninformed buyers, to buyers who own a very large home who want the fancy counter tops and paver driveway, but otherwise can't afford to furnish their large home with decent quality components. Some of these homes have three kitchens (one on each level). Quantity over quality.?

That being said, let's not forget that in addition to materials cost going through the roof, that labor is ferociously expensive, if you can find it. I received a quote to remove/replace the asphalt roof shingles on my modest 2 bedroom home, the (wholesale, contractor) price was in the ballpark of what a modest bathroom gut/remodel would cost at the beginning of my career.?

All that being said, I suspect these construction labor costs will become the new normal. We (the trades) lost a lot of people in 2007-2008, and I keep hearing that the average age of many licensed trades workers are in the 50s and 60s, which jives with my experience of seeing a lot of white- and silver- hair when my plumbers and electricians are on-site. I suspect that we have a generation or so to build back the labor pool, in the mean time I expect there will be a lot of folks experiencing some serious sticker shock when they see how expensive home improvement projects have become, never mind that many folks lack the basic skills to affect lasting, durable home repairs themselves.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN


Hello From New Member

 

I'm a new member of the group based in the UK.

I ?joined as I¡¯ve previously owned Felder machines and hope to use them again in my new workshop.?

In the short time I¡¯ve been a member I have been amazed by the help and support being offered. I¡¯m learning things I hadn¡¯t considered before! I¡¯m impressed that so many threads go beyond things to do with Felder machines. The recent debate about Fusion 360 and other competing CAD packages being a case in point.

I¡¯ll do my best to contribute whenever I can.?

Barrie Stott


Re: Fusion 360

 

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Thank you very much for these.

Mike King
Special Consultant
NERA Economic Consulting
+1 303 618-4915

On Jun 27, 2022, at 6:19 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:

?The Fusion OEM video resources are here - I find them better suited as reference rather than training: ?

This is an introduction to the 3D modeling space of F360 geared to woodworkers: ?

This is a good video on the use of parameters to drive the design - also geared toward woodworkers: ?

This one is a good introduction to creating assemblies from multiple parts (components): ?? ?

None of the above are terrific as tutorials for ¡°follow-along¡± step-by-step learning. ?If you really want to learn the product with a good foundation, this woodworker in the UK has a series of videos that tackle the design of a complete wall unit using Fusion 360 starting from a base knowledge of essentially nothing about Fusion: ??

To ensure that I got a good fundamental base, I subscribed to training packages available from LinkedIn Learning. ? Specifically the following:

?

One thing that helped me tremendously is outfitting my computer with tools that create a friendly user interface. ?Specifically, a 3-button mouse with laser accurate pointing, and a 3D mouse (separate device operated by the ¡°other¡± hand) to rotate, pan, zoom, tilt, roll, the model in 3D space by minupulating a glorified joystick. ?These are the two products I recommend.

A CADMouse - one of these versions: ?
A 3D Space Mouse - this version: ? ?


On Jun 27, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:

For those seeking to get educated in F360, I suggest going directly to the oem resources.....there are links in the onboarding emails,but also? a hierarchy of tutorial topics from developers of the product in bite sized packages and follow-along tutorials.

I'm not certain where it moved to in the newest updates, but I suspect it's easy to find under "help" once logged in. I remember that it is all locked behind your user login/password, you wont ever find it on a Google search.

Aside from spending a solid year developing expertise or the same following inefficient youtube ambassadors, I have found it the highest quality route. But that was before Best Services F360 Academy went public.

-Brett

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 5:04 PM David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
Mark,
? You're killing me.
Dave Davies

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 4:50 PM Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
David, nice looking cabinet for the multirouter, will the Pantorouter fit?

Regards, Mark

On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:18 PM, david@... via <david=[email protected]> wrote:

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I¡¯d be happy to do a series of videos on using F360 to design something to be fabricated in the wood shop.? I¡¯ve been thinking about doing this for a while.? I haven¡¯t found very many YouTube videos on F360 that are geared toward woodworkers - there are some, but they aren¡¯t very good training tools IMO, largely because they are based on the original User Interface from pre-2019.? When you try to duplicate what¡¯s being shown in the video, you quickly get lost because your user interface is different.

As James rightly points out, getting to an end result takes a lot more time if you are new to the product or restrict yourself to the basic facilities offered by Fusion.? To be truly efficient requires a broader knowledge of ?all the facilities within the Fusion Design space, which of course requires more than a rudimentary knowledge of how to brute-force a design with the attendent long time lines, etc.? Once you have the basics down, there are lots of video resources under the guise of ¡°Tips and Tricks¡± that explore the more advanced functions that are true time savers, which is largely how I advanced in my own knowledge.? But of course most of those videos are geared around a product to be CNC machined, or injection moulded, so it takes patience and some time doing trial and error tests to figure out how they might apply to woodworking.

I ?just finished designing and building a custom cabinet for my Multirouter (photo below), and if some of you think it would be helpful if I made a video of the design process for the cabinet in Fusion 360, I would consider doing so.? More details on that Multirouter project are here if anyone is interested, including F360 drawings for both the DRO enhancements and the cabinet. ? The project is still being enhanced with air cylinders and dust extraction, so more to come on that.

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The animation and drawing sections of Fusion 360 all extract from the 3D models, and if I did some videos here I would take an existing model and go through the steps of animating it to produce and exploded view, and then go into the drawing section and show how to achieve all the relevent views, parts lists, dimensions, etc.? Like I said 2 years ago, this is a long process to get your head around all the capabilities here, and you have to use it a few times per year (IMO) to stay proficient - this isn¡¯t an application you can come back to after 3 years in a closet and expect to be proficient. ??


David Best






On Jun 27, 2022, at 1:11 PM, habacomike via <habacomike@...> wrote:

So, splitting some of the discussion apart, let¡¯s chat about Fusion 360.? Here¡¯s a couple of items hopefully David Best will answer, or someone with a similar level of proficiency:

  • Are there any good recommendations for a course in Fusion that will transform me into a Fusion master?
  • Why when I try to go from my model through annimations to drawings do the dimensions change?? How do I get them not to do so?
  • What¡¯s the best way to produce drawings from a model?
  • How do we convince David to produce a series of videos on Fusion?

Mike





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Re: Kitchen Cabinet Standards

 

Yes Mark, all true. The average person here now will be lucky to ever afford a home of whatever quality level. My objection is to what builders do on even a high dollar custom build. As David mentioned, there are some awfully suspect products and practices being used. Cardboard cladding is a new low. What buyers don¡¯t see is where the problems lie.?


I absolutely agree that money does not equal taste. I too have seen some high dollar builds that belong on a bombing range.?


Re: Help with table adjustments on A3-41 #hammer #jointerplaner #jpsetup

 

Hi Bill. Did you have any problems with the hinge moving when you loosen the four bolts below the hinge? This has me dumbfounded.??