What air compressor for Mac's clamps?
About the only thing I use my dad’s old craftsman air compressor for is to run Mac’s clamps. I guess I also fill up the odd tire now and then, and blow out some irrigation lines in the fall. The craftsman makes a ton of noise and startles my spouse every time it starts. Any suggestions for something more appropriate?
Mike
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Great tour.? I was in my home office watching the video and my Alexa stated that I don’t have a vacuum device when you gave her the command on the video, but she was able to play a little Willie Nelson. ? Gil Fuqua Nashville ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Bélanger Sent: Friday, June 04, 2021 12:42 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Vail AZ Shop Tour ? Here's better look at the shooting board George, along with some other stuff I neglected.
Bill Bélanger
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Here's better look at the shooting board George, along with some other stuff I neglected.
Bill Bélanger
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I'm in Del Webb! Howdy neighbor!
Bill Bélanger
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Re: Door tooling and jigs
I’ve got the porter cable kit.? I use the the fixture to bore any custom doors I build but tend to a chisel/router plane for hinges.? I’ve got the PC hinge jig (from a long time ago (steel box) but have never used it.? Any more pedestrian trim job, doors are usually pre hung so I usually only swap to better quality hinges.
This jig is really well designed.
James
On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:09 AM Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression < airtightclamps@...> wrote: Glen this is what I have used for 30 plus years
Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years ? Thank you Lance
The pc 59381 is in fact what I had and it sounds like the 126 may have been what I had. Thank you for the help and the lnk to Templaco. I do not remember having to flip the PC hinge template. I remember it was pinned to the door and the jamb at the same time and you routed both together.
I will keep my eyes open for the 126, it was a great bevel planer
Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop:
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
PC Hinge jig-click see all buying options at right
The Bosche hinge jigs are my preference. I've had both. More accurate than the PC, as the jig doesn't happen to be flipped upside down to move from door to jamb. Originally sold as Stanley, they're the same jigs. Unfortunately, they are no longer manufactured.
Templaco Bore master kits (best made) and other templates/tools???
If doing a bunch of the same doors, Templaco will make custom hinge jigs:?
If there are good door and jamb suppliers anywhere nearby, see what they have for fixed hinge jigs.
The Porter Cable 126 Porta Plane, with spiral carbide blades is the best door planer by miles. Also, no longer available, but now that most door people just use pre-hung and split jamb doors, with patience they can be found used..
Happy hunting,
Lance
?Hi all I am looking for the following tooling that I had as a kid and made the stupid mistake of selling back in the day.
i do believe they are long out of production but maybe some of you might have one laying around you want to sell or can give a recommendation on something equal or better.
This is what i had, dont have part #"s
Porter cable door boring jig, it did 2-3/8, 2-3/4, Dills of 1-5/8 and 2-1/4"? it was a great set and easy to use.
Porter cable Hinge routing template set, it was 4 templates adjustable 3.5 4.0 4.5 and i believe 5"? It had bars to hook it all together and i could do 6/8 7/0 & 8/0 doors easy.
and last
Porter cable bevel planer, it was good and I really can do this on my machines, I would buy it anyway for specific tasks.
I guess the local door shop is not doing well and I am getting a lot of requests hang doors, luckily I know this well as I owned a door shop for 10 years?
i am looking to get the basics and see how this goes before I break down and get a Norfield Magnum.
If you have any of these you want to unload, I am interested, Or if you
know of better stuff, I would would like to hear.
Thanks in advance
Glen
Never thought I was going down this path again.
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Hi Glenn, Yes I had another shop in Maine, remember the one that was featured in Wood magazine a few years back (2015)?
We sold that house in November of last year (2020) and ordered a new motorhome to use during the summers, but it's not here yet, so we're waiting it out.
Bill Bélanger
Bill so you have another shop at your summer home? Wait, it is summer, you're in the wrong shop. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 7:35 PM Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote: Thanks Imran, We’re only here in winters so its not that big of ?a sacrifice. I wanted a place with a big workshop, she wanted a house in a gated community, so we compromised….
Bill Bélanger
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 18:52 imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Very nicely equipped shop. Envious that you have room for 3 benches. Good to hear what works well.
Very cooperative Mrs. to let go of all 3 garage spaces. David Kumm creates balance with diamonds, what’s your trick ?
Imran On Jun 3, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ?Watching other interesting shops, and thought I'd make a video of mine!
Bill Bélanger
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Re: VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply
I am also going to lower the current limit in the programming to see what happens as it’s a really easy test.? The new VFD is rated for like 19.6A output
and I am only running at 11.8 so probably nothing but an easy test.
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Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 10:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply
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Once you verify the motor is fine without the vfd, and the utility power is balanced going into the vfd, it would seem the vfd is at least part of the problem.? I'm voting that the motor has issues
until you rule that out.? Dave
Some more background.? I brought the idea of variable speed to increase suction on small ports to Robert founder of Oneida at the Vegas show like 10
years ago.? We traded a ton of emails and he swore me to secrecy and the idea became the Oneida Smart collector which won innovation of the year at either Vegas or Atlanta.? In appreciation for the idea Oneida upgraded my collector to a 5HP Smart collector,
single phase input.
?
Lately I was having some issues with the 10 year old VFD shutting down and Oneida was very helpful and we found that for some reason some of the parameters
were corrupted in the old single phase VFD.? Through this process I learned a lot about programming VFDs and I realized that the programming of the VFD was set to limit output current (the current limit of the original VFD) to 8.9A. The 5HP Baldor high efficiency
motor is rated at 11.8A.? In running the VFD and watching parameters I realized that the motor was never even getting to 60 HZ due to the current limit.
?
So I decided to upgrade the VFD to a 3 phase input. Same series ABB but at least with the ABB ACS310 series they are built as single phase input or
3 phase input.? So I ordered an ACS310 5HP 3 phase input VFD.? Super easy install as the programming just copies over.
?
But the new VFD faults.? Last week it would fault after a few minutes.? When measuring the input currents the delta then was about 30%.? Over the weekend
it didn’t fault at all and the current deltas were 20% or so. ?ABB sent a replacement VFD and it did not solve the issue.? Last night would get faults in less than a minute and the current delta was over 40%.
?
More background:
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I have 600A of Utility 240V Delta 3 phase power.? Two transformers in my front yard.? New install one year ago with new buried lines from front yard to workshop.
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The workshop has a 5 Ton AC, 1.5HP pool pump, and sometimes an AC and water heater on for the guest house, plus 2,200w of LED lighting.? I doubt I’d ever see more than 100A or load at
one time.
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I have a 3 phase shaper and a 3 phase bandsaw running in the shop with no VFD and the currents are pretty consistent on all lines.
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Voltage at the panel and at the VFD for all three legs is very similar.
-
When the utility came out this week to test I started as many loads in the shop as I could and we had 0.2V difference for the two transformer legs measuring 121.3V and 121.1V.? Leg B
being lower
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It seems like the average current across the three legs is the same each time I measure even though the delta between legs can be quite different each time.
?
Can a phase error between the phases cause lower current in one leg?
?
?
More thoughts after rereading your post.
You mention original VFD as single phase and new as 3 phase input. This could be important if you are running with single phase input.
At first I thought you were running new VFD with single phase input but you report 3 input currents. Just curious, why are you using a VFD with 3 phase input on a dust collector with a 3 phase motor?
Another thought. I am sure you know this, on a VFD, the single or 3 phase input is used to create a DC power supply. This to me means that there should not be a repeatable phase relationship between input and output currents. A resolution
to your problem can help further our understanding of how these things work.
?
I had to replace the VFD on my dust collector. It was an ABB ACS310 single phase input feeding a 3 phase 5 HP motor. This was from Oneida and because of the single phase supply they set the max current at the limit of the drive which is below the amperage
of the motor. Anyway the new drive, an ABB ACS310 5HP 3 phase input VFD, faults with my utility delta 3 phase supply. The fault is due to uneven current on the input. I’ve spent hours measuring and testing and worked with ABB tech support several times. The
key test ABB had me do was to swap two wires to see if the low current moves. It does not so ABB said not the drive. But they did approve a warranty swap. With the replacement I see the same problem. With leg A I get 20A leg B 15A and leg C 19A. Leg C is the
wild leg. The voltages under load for legs A and B are within 0.2V. I also had the utility out and then measured and said all good on their side. They did not put a scope on the lines to see is I have phase shift issues. Could a phase different between the
lines cause a 20-25% current difference when the voltages are the same? ?Also I have notices that the current difference changes. Worst was tonight with 22A, 14A, and 20A.?
also I have two other 3 phase machines that run and the currents measure the same on all three legs for those machines. I also tried running the VFD with a new breaker and also on a different line. ABB agreed to swap the drive because the currents are the same
on all legs with non-VFD machines. ?
the only thing I can think of is the phase angles between the three legs is not 120 degrees. HELP
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Re: VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply
Once you verify the motor is fine without the vfd, and the utility power is balanced going into the vfd, it would seem the vfd is at least part of the problem.? I'm voting that the motor has issues until you rule that out.? Dave
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Some more background.? I brought the idea of variable speed to increase suction on small ports to Robert founder of Oneida at the Vegas show like 10 years ago.? We traded
a ton of emails and he swore me to secrecy and the idea became the Oneida Smart collector which won innovation of the year at either Vegas or Atlanta.? In appreciation for the idea Oneida upgraded my collector to a 5HP Smart collector, single phase input.
?
Lately I was having some issues with the 10 year old VFD shutting down and Oneida was very helpful and we found that for some reason some of the parameters were corrupted
in the old single phase VFD.? Through this process I learned a lot about programming VFDs and I realized that the programming of the VFD was set to limit output current (the current limit of the original VFD) to 8.9A. The 5HP Baldor high efficiency motor is
rated at 11.8A.? In running the VFD and watching parameters I realized that the motor was never even getting to 60 HZ due to the current limit.
?
So I decided to upgrade the VFD to a 3 phase input. Same series ABB but at least with the ABB ACS310 series they are built as single phase input or 3 phase input.? So
I ordered an ACS310 5HP 3 phase input VFD.? Super easy install as the programming just copies over.
?
But the new VFD faults.? Last week it would fault after a few minutes.? When measuring the input currents the delta then was about 30%.? Over the weekend it didn’t fault
at all and the current deltas were 20% or so. ?ABB sent a replacement VFD and it did not solve the issue.? Last night would get faults in less than a minute and the current delta was over 40%.
?
More background:
-
I have 600A of Utility 240V Delta 3 phase power.? Two transformers in my front yard.? New install one year ago with new buried lines from front yard to workshop.
-
The workshop has a 5 Ton AC, 1.5HP pool pump, and sometimes an AC and water heater on for the guest house, plus 2,200w of LED lighting.? I doubt I’d ever see more than 100A or load at
one time.
-
I have a 3 phase shaper and a 3 phase bandsaw running in the shop with no VFD and the currents are pretty consistent on all lines.
-
Voltage at the panel and at the VFD for all three legs is very similar.
-
When the utility came out this week to test I started as many loads in the shop as I could and we had 0.2V difference for the two transformer legs measuring 121.3V and 121.1V.? Leg B
being lower
-
It seems like the average current across the three legs is the same each time I measure even though the delta between legs can be quite different each time.
?
Can a phase error between the phases cause lower current in one leg?
?
?
More thoughts after rereading your post.
You mention original VFD as single phase and new as 3 phase input. This could be important if you are running with single phase input.
At first I thought you were running new VFD with single phase input but you report 3 input currents. Just curious, why are you using a VFD with 3 phase input on a dust collector with a 3 phase motor?
Another thought. I am sure you know this, on a VFD, the single or 3 phase input is used to create a DC power supply. This to me means that there should not be a repeatable phase relationship between input and output currents. A resolution to your problem can
help further our understanding of how these things work.
?
I had to replace the VFD on my dust collector. It was an ABB ACS310 single phase input feeding a 3 phase 5 HP motor. This was from Oneida and because of the single phase supply they set the max current at the limit of the drive which is below the amperage
of the motor. Anyway the new drive, an ABB ACS310 5HP 3 phase input VFD, faults with my utility delta 3 phase supply. The fault is due to uneven current on the input. I’ve spent hours measuring and testing and worked with ABB tech support several times. The
key test ABB had me do was to swap two wires to see if the low current moves. It does not so ABB said not the drive. But they did approve a warranty swap. With the replacement I see the same problem. With leg A I get 20A leg B 15A and leg C 19A. Leg C is the
wild leg. The voltages under load for legs A and B are within 0.2V. I also had the utility out and then measured and said all good on their side. They did not put a scope on the lines to see is I have phase shift issues. Could a phase different between the
lines cause a 20-25% current difference when the voltages are the same? ?Also I have notices that the current difference changes. Worst was tonight with 22A, 14A, and 20A.?
also I have two other 3 phase machines that run and the currents measure the same on all three legs for those machines. I also tried running the VFD with a new breaker and also on a different line. ABB agreed to swap the drive because the currents are the same
on all legs with non-VFD machines. ?
the only thing I can think of is the phase angles between the three legs is not 120 degrees. HELP
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Re: VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply
Some more background.? I brought the idea of variable speed to increase suction on small ports to Robert founder of Oneida at the Vegas show like 10
years ago.? We traded a ton of emails and he swore me to secrecy and the idea became the Oneida Smart collector which won innovation of the year at either Vegas or Atlanta.? In appreciation for the idea Oneida upgraded my collector to a 5HP Smart collector,
single phase input.
?
Lately I was having some issues with the 10 year old VFD shutting down and Oneida was very helpful and we found that for some reason some of the parameters
were corrupted in the old single phase VFD.? Through this process I learned a lot about programming VFDs and I realized that the programming of the VFD was set to limit output current (the current limit of the original VFD) to 8.9A. The 5HP Baldor high efficiency
motor is rated at 11.8A.? In running the VFD and watching parameters I realized that the motor was never even getting to 60 HZ due to the current limit.
?
So I decided to upgrade the VFD to a 3 phase input. Same series ABB but at least with the ABB ACS310 series they are built as single phase input or
3 phase input.? So I ordered an ACS310 5HP 3 phase input VFD.? Super easy install as the programming just copies over.
?
But the new VFD faults.? Last week it would fault after a few minutes.? When measuring the input currents the delta then was about 30%.? Over the weekend
it didn’t fault at all and the current deltas were 20% or so. ?ABB sent a replacement VFD and it did not solve the issue.? Last night would get faults in less than a minute and the current delta was over 40%.
?
More background:
-
I have 600A of Utility 240V Delta 3 phase power.? Two transformers in my front yard.? New install one year ago with new buried lines from front yard to workshop.
-
The workshop has a 5 Ton AC, 1.5HP pool pump, and sometimes an AC and water heater on for the guest house, plus 2,200w of LED lighting.? I doubt I’d ever see more than 100A or load at
one time.
-
I have a 3 phase shaper and a 3 phase bandsaw running in the shop with no VFD and the currents are pretty consistent on all lines.
-
Voltage at the panel and at the VFD for all three legs is very similar.
-
When the utility came out this week to test I started as many loads in the shop as I could and we had 0.2V difference for the two transformer legs measuring 121.3V and 121.1V.? Leg B
being lower
-
It seems like the average current across the three legs is the same each time I measure even though the delta between legs can be quite different each time.
?
Can a phase error between the phases cause lower current in one leg?
?
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On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply
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More thoughts after rereading your post.
You mention original VFD as single phase and new as 3 phase input. This could be important if you are running with single phase input.
At first I thought you were running new VFD with single phase input but you report 3 input currents. Just curious, why are you using a VFD with 3 phase input on a dust collector with a 3 phase motor?
Another thought. I am sure you know this, on a VFD, the single or 3 phase input is used to create a DC power supply. This to me means that there should not be a repeatable phase relationship between input and output currents. A resolution
to your problem can help further our understanding of how these things work.
?
I had to replace the VFD on my dust collector. It was an ABB ACS310 single phase input feeding a 3 phase 5 HP motor. This was from Oneida and because of the single phase supply they set the max current at the limit of the drive which is below the amperage
of the motor. Anyway the new drive, an ABB ACS310 5HP 3 phase input VFD, faults with my utility delta 3 phase supply. The fault is due to uneven current on the input. I’ve spent hours measuring and testing and worked with ABB tech support several times. The
key test ABB had me do was to swap two wires to see if the low current moves. It does not so ABB said not the drive. But they did approve a warranty swap. With the replacement I see the same problem. With leg A I get 20A leg B 15A and leg C 19A. Leg C is the
wild leg. The voltages under load for legs A and B are within 0.2V. I also had the utility out and then measured and said all good on their side. They did not put a scope on the lines to see is I have phase shift issues. Could a phase different between the
lines cause a 20-25% current difference when the voltages are the same? ?Also I have notices that the current difference changes. Worst was tonight with 22A, 14A, and 20A.?
also I have two other 3 phase machines that run and the currents measure the same on all three legs for those machines. I also tried running the VFD with a new breaker and also on a different line. ABB agreed to swap the drive because the currents are the same
on all legs with non-VFD machines. ?
the only thing I can think of is the phase angles between the three legs is not 120 degrees. HELP
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Enough with the spotless shop videos. ?Show us some messy ones!
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Hi Bill,
Where are you in Vail? I’m in Coyote Creek but 12 mos a year. I should post my own shop video but first need to clean it up a little.
Ed
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Re: Door tooling and jigs
This jig is really well designed.
James
On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:09 AM Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression < airtightclamps@...> wrote: Glen this is what I have used for 30 plus years
Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years ? Thank you Lance
The pc 59381 is in fact what I had and it sounds like the 126 may have been what I had. Thank you for the help and the lnk to Templaco. I do not remember having to flip the PC hinge template. I remember it was pinned to the door and the jamb at the same time and you routed both together.
I will keep my eyes open for the 126, it was a great bevel planer
Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
PC Hinge jig-click see all buying options at right
The Bosche hinge jigs are my preference. I've had both. More accurate than the PC, as the jig doesn't happen to be flipped upside down to move from door to jamb. Originally sold as Stanley, they're the same jigs. Unfortunately, they are no longer manufactured.
Templaco Bore master kits (best made) and other templates/tools???
If doing a bunch of the same doors, Templaco will make custom hinge jigs:?
If there are good door and jamb suppliers anywhere nearby, see what they have for fixed hinge jigs.
The Porter Cable 126 Porta Plane, with spiral carbide blades is the best door planer by miles. Also, no longer available, but now that most door people just use pre-hung and split jamb doors, with patience they can be found used..
Happy hunting,
Lance
?Hi all I am looking for the following tooling that I had as a kid and made the stupid mistake of selling back in the day.
i do believe they are long out of production but maybe some of you might have one laying around you want to sell or can give a recommendation on something equal or better.
This is what i had, dont have part #"s
Porter cable door boring jig, it did 2-3/8, 2-3/4, Dills of 1-5/8 and 2-1/4"? it was a great set and easy to use.
Porter cable Hinge routing template set, it was 4 templates adjustable 3.5 4.0 4.5 and i believe 5"? It had bars to hook it all together and i could do 6/8 7/0 & 8/0 doors easy.
and last
Porter cable bevel planer, it was good and I really can do this on my machines, I would buy it anyway for specific tasks.
I guess the local door shop is not doing well and I am getting a lot of requests hang doors, luckily I know this well as I owned a door shop for 10 years?
i am looking to get the basics and see how this goes before I break down and get a Norfield Magnum.
If you have any of these you want to unload, I am interested, Or if you
know of better stuff, I would would like to hear.
Thanks in advance
Glen
Never thought I was going down this path again.
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Re: VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply
Interesting and I will dig in.? This motor has been running on a single to 3 phase VFD for 10 years with no issues and the currents out of the 3 phase
VFD are very very close to each other.?
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On Behalf Of Brett Wissel
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply
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The current pull is due to the motor, so tracking it down means asking "why would the motor pull current unevenly?".? I would suspect that the motor needs the pole terminals verified?on the terminal block. I have a sneaking suspicion that
it's got a configuration error with the motor's terminal block where the poles are oriented to each of the 3 phase lugs.
?
First suspicion is to find that the motor is wired for Wye when it should?be Delta (or vice-versa).?
Second thought is that the VFD is programmed for Delta-In and Wye-Out? instead of Delta-IN, Delta-OUT . This might be just a programming issue and easy to toggle by guessing.
Third thought one pair of poles are overloaded on one phase?lug.
Fourth thought is that one or more poles are wired out-of-sequence on the phase lugs.
Pole wiring configuration issues are harder to identify with the motor up to speed under continuous light loading like a fan motor here but more dramatic and obvious when ramping up from low rpms like the new VFD is attempting to do. That
said, pole wiring mistakes are quite rare, my guess is the VFD is trying to power one 3phase setup while the motor is the other.
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Re: VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply
I have not tried running the 5HP directly off 3 phase.? The currents out of the VFD into that motor are nearly identical.? As I understand it from reading
on the issue, the VFD takes power in from 3 legs, converts to DC and then manufactures 3 phases of AC out.? It would not be too difficult to test the motor without the VFD.
?
Also this am I ran the bandsaw again (no VFD) and the current leg B (the one I’m having trouble with) was a little lower than the other two.? A=9.65A,
B=9.30A and C=9.60A.? Leg C is the wild leg.
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]>
On Behalf Of David Kumm
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 6:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply
?
Have you tried running directly from the utility three phase and checking the amp draw to see if it is uneven?? If that is the case it could be a motor issue.? Dave
I had to replace the VFD on my dust collector. It was an ABB ACS310 single phase input feeding a 3 phase 5 HP motor. This was from Oneida and because of the single phase supply they set the max current at the limit of the drive which is below the amperage
of the motor. Anyway the new drive, an ABB ACS310 5HP 3 phase input VFD, faults with my utility delta 3 phase supply. The fault is due to uneven current on the input. I’ve spent hours measuring and testing and worked with ABB tech support several times. The
key test ABB had me do was to swap two wires to see if the low current moves. It does not so ABB said not the drive. But they did approve a warranty swap. With the replacement I see the same problem. With leg A I get 20A leg B 15A and leg C 19A. Leg C is the
wild leg. The voltages under load for legs A and B are within 0.2V. I also had the utility out and then measured and said all good on their side. They did not put a scope on the lines to see is I have phase shift issues. Could a phase different between the
lines cause a 20-25% current difference when the voltages are the same? ?Also I have notices that the current difference changes. Worst was tonight with 22A, 14A, and 20A.?
also I have two other 3 phase machines that run and the currents measure the same on all three legs for those machines. I also tried running the VFD with a new breaker and also on a different line. ABB agreed to swap the drive because the currents are the same
on all legs with non-VFD machines. ?
the only thing I can think of is the phase angles between the three legs is not 120 degrees. HELP
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Re: VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply
Hi Joe,
More thoughts after rereading your post.
You mention original VFD as single phase and new as 3 phase input. This could be important if you are running with single phase input.
At first I thought you were running new VFD with single phase input but you report 3 input currents. Just curious, why are you using a VFD with 3 phase input on a dust collector with a 3 phase motor?
Another thought. I am sure you know this, on a VFD, the single or 3 phase input is used to create a DC power supply. This to me means that there should not be a repeatable phase relationship between input and output currents. A resolution to your problem can help further our understanding of how these things work.
Imran
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On Jun 4, 2021, at 12:43 AM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote: ? I had to replace the VFD on my dust collector. It was an ABB ACS310 single phase input feeding a 3 phase 5 HP motor. This was from Oneida and because of the single phase supply they set the max current at the limit of the drive which is below the amperage of the motor. Anyway the new drive, an ABB ACS310 5HP 3 phase input VFD, faults with my utility delta 3 phase supply. The fault is due to uneven current on the input. I’ve spent hours measuring and testing and worked with ABB tech support several times. The key test ABB had me do was to swap two wires to see if the low current moves. It does not so ABB said not the drive. But they did approve a warranty swap. With the replacement I see the same problem. With leg A I get 20A leg B 15A and leg C 19A. Leg C is the wild leg. The voltages under load for legs A and B are within 0.2V. I also had the utility out and then measured and said all good on their side. They did not put a scope on the lines to see is I have phase shift issues. Could a phase different between the lines cause a 20-25% current difference when the voltages are the same? ?Also I have notices that the current difference changes. Worst was tonight with 22A, 14A, and 20A.?
also I have two other 3 phase machines that run and the currents measure the same on all three legs for those machines. I also tried running the VFD with a new breaker and also on a different line. ABB agreed to swap the drive because the currents are the same on all legs with non-VFD machines. ?
the only thing I can think of is the phase angles between the three legs is not 120 degrees. HELP
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Hi Bill,
Where are you in Vail? I’m in Coyote Creek but 12 mos a year. I should post my own shop video but first need to clean it up a little.
Ed
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Re: VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply
The current pull is due to the motor, so tracking it down means asking "why would the motor pull current unevenly?".? I would suspect that the motor needs the pole terminals verified?on the terminal block. I have a sneaking suspicion that it's got a configuration error with the motor's terminal block where the poles are oriented to each of the 3 phase lugs. First suspicion is to find that the motor is wired for Wye when it should?be Delta (or vice-versa).? Second thought is that the VFD is programmed for Delta-In and Wye-Out? instead of Delta-IN, Delta-OUT . This might be just a programming issue and easy to toggle by guessing. Third thought one pair of poles are overloaded on one phase?lug. Fourth thought is that one or more poles are wired out-of-sequence on the phase lugs.
Pole wiring configuration issues are harder to identify with the motor up to speed under continuous light loading like a fan motor here but more dramatic and obvious when ramping up from low rpms like the new VFD is attempting to do. That said, pole wiring mistakes are quite rare, my guess is the VFD is trying to power one 3phase setup while the motor is the other.
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Re: Door tooling and jigs
Glen this is what I have used for 30 plus years
Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote:
? Thank you Lance
The pc 59381 is in fact what I had and it sounds like the 126 may have been what I had. Thank you for the help and the lnk to Templaco. I do not remember having to flip the PC hinge template. I remember it was pinned to the door and the jamb at the same time and you routed both together.
I will keep my eyes open for the 126, it was a great bevel planer
Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 486
?????????? Murphys , CA. 95247 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 209-540-7501
LIC # 707507
PC Hinge jig-click see all buying options at right
The Bosche hinge jigs are my preference. I've had both. More accurate than the PC, as the jig doesn't happen to be flipped upside down to move from door to jamb. Originally sold as Stanley, they're the same jigs. Unfortunately, they are no longer manufactured.
Templaco Bore master kits (best made) and other templates/tools???
If doing a bunch of the same doors, Templaco will make custom hinge jigs:?
If there are good door and jamb suppliers anywhere nearby, see what they have for fixed hinge jigs.
The Porter Cable 126 Porta Plane, with spiral carbide blades is the best door planer by miles. Also, no longer available, but now that most door people just use pre-hung and split jamb doors, with patience they can be found used..
Happy hunting,
Lance
?Hi all I am looking for the following tooling that I had as a kid and made the stupid mistake of selling back in the day.
i do believe they are long out of production but maybe some of you might have one laying around you want to sell or can give a recommendation on something equal or better.
This is what i had, dont have part #"s
Porter cable door boring jig, it did 2-3/8, 2-3/4, Dills of 1-5/8 and 2-1/4"? it was a great set and easy to use.
Porter cable Hinge routing template set, it was 4 templates adjustable 3.5 4.0 4.5 and i believe 5"? It had bars to hook it all together and i could do 6/8 7/0 & 8/0 doors easy.
and last
Porter cable bevel planer, it was good and I really can do this on my machines, I would buy it anyway for specific tasks.
I guess the local door shop is not doing well and I am getting a lot of requests hang doors, luckily I know this well as I owned a door shop for 10 years?
i am looking to get the basics and see how this goes before I break down and get a Norfield Magnum.
If you have any of these you want to unload, I am interested, Or if you
know of better stuff, I would would like to hear.
Thanks in advance
Glen
Never thought I was going down this path again.
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I've fiddled with my drop under the cyclone apex. This is what I've found:? 1. Diameter? makes a huge difference in chip flowthrough capacity - 6" minimum. 4" will have major definiciencies in performance. 2. Smoothness also dramatically impacts chip flowthrough - expanding hose should be stretched as close to smooth as possible if piping can't be used. The ridges create remarkable restriction. 3. Discharge should be as close to straight down in a straight line to container as possible. 4. You need a good discharge line of maximum length possible between apex and container. Direct hookup to a container will give you no tolerance in your discharge. Instead of sneaking up discharge backups towards the apex, it will suddenly be in the apex and alter the behavior of cyclone sizing inside the machine. 4. Surges of chipload?are not a problem so long as they get a break to catch up and leave the apex if you have a discharge deficiency, often not a problem when boards are only 20' long max, can be an issue if butt-end feeding multiples. 5. The chips don't stack well in the container, I often shake the container down once it fills, sometimes I get 4 rounds of compaction before I have to empty it. 6. Sawdust flows well and packs easily, opposite of shavings/chips from shapers, jointers,planers which leave lots of interstitial air. Sometimes altering your cutting method to make shorter/smaller shavings/chips makes a dramatic difference in discharge performance.
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Re: VFD issue with 3 Phase power supply
Have you tried running directly from the utility three phase and checking the amp draw to see if it is uneven?? If that is the case it could be a motor issue.? Dave
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I had to replace the VFD on my dust collector. It was an ABB ACS310 single phase input feeding a 3 phase 5 HP motor. This was from Oneida and because of the single phase supply they set the max current at the limit of the drive which is below the amperage
of the motor. Anyway the new drive, an ABB ACS310 5HP 3 phase input VFD, faults with my utility delta 3 phase supply. The fault is due to uneven current on the input. I’ve spent hours measuring and testing and worked with ABB tech support several times. The
key test ABB had me do was to swap two wires to see if the low current moves. It does not so ABB said not the drive. But they did approve a warranty swap. With the replacement I see the same problem. With leg A I get 20A leg B 15A and leg C 19A. Leg C is the
wild leg. The voltages under load for legs A and B are within 0.2V. I also had the utility out and then measured and said all good on their side. They did not put a scope on the lines to see is I have phase shift issues. Could a phase different between the
lines cause a 20-25% current difference when the voltages are the same? ?Also I have notices that the current difference changes. Worst was tonight with 22A, 14A, and 20A.?
also I have two other 3 phase machines that run and the currents measure the same on all three legs for those machines. I also tried running the VFD with a new breaker and also on a different line. ABB agreed to swap the drive because the currents are the same
on all legs with non-VFD machines. ?
the only thing I can think of is the phase angles between the three legs is not 120 degrees. HELP
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Very impressive shop. I like how you made use of the available space. Opening the overhead door allows for long pieces on your saw. I did something similar with my band saw and a man door. Not to give you a homework assignment, but could you post an up close picture of your shooting board?? ? ? ?Thanks,
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On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:56 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Awesome. Works not only for you two but also for the neighbors ?
Imran
On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:35 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Thanks Imran, We’re only here in winters so its not that big of ?a sacrifice. I wanted a place with a big workshop, she wanted a house in a gated community, so we compromised….
Bill Bélanger
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 18:52 imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Very nicely equipped shop. Envious that you have room for 3 benches. Good to hear what works well.
Very cooperative Mrs. to let go of all 3 garage spaces. David Kumm creates balance with diamonds, what’s your trick ?
Imran On Jun 3, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ?Watching other interesting shops, and thought I'd make a video of mine!
Bill Bélanger
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