Re: power package for KF700
Dave,
That is good to know. I wish Felder offered it as well.
Imran
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On Mar 14, 2021, at 12:42 PM, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote: ? That's what the Martin T-60 has - DRO with manual crank on the saw as a lower cost upgrade Dave Davies On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:37 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: I was telling Randy in a private conversation that it would really be a nice option to have a DRO with manual crank on the saw as a lower cost upgrade. I do not know this for a fact but it has to be significantly less expensive. The budgets of hobby woodworkers can be limited and they have more time compared to businesses that can, in many cases, not only afford the expense but also benefit from the productivity gains.
I imagine OEMs fear that it might cut the power upgrade sales substantially and perhaps that is the reason it is not offered. Has anyone seen this offered by OEM on woodworking machine?
Imran On Mar 14, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: ?I have no idea, I just know that the electronics can be a source of failure points. Witness all the failed brake boards lately… and blown capacitors. I don’t find the hand cranking of the saw or shaper to be a big issue, it’s not that many turns and for me the dial indicators in the hand wheels have been extremely reliable and accurate.
The jointer/planer is where I see the value of the powered up and down, my shoulders and elbows scream in agony every time I have to change over.
On Mar 13, 2021, at 7:34 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
It’s a good point Brian but I’ve never gone a “down” day either with my 16 year old Dual 51 with digi drive. Maybe the KF electronics are not as robust? On 14 Mar 2021, at 11:28 am, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?I find that manual with the hand wheel indicators works just fine on the saw and shaper. I would want power up and down on the J/P. My machines are over 20 years old now and never been down a day because my saw or shaper won’t go up and down….
On Mar 13, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote:
I am nearing the point of purchase for a new KF 700, and one remaining question I have is whether to add the power features for the shaper and saw units.
Any advice from you pros and afficianados on this? Use is as a "hobbyist" rather than a professional shop. Thanks!?
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Keith,
The cutterhead would spin for a long while if the brake is not working. With brake it stops in ~8 sec give or take a few seconds. There is also a hum when brake is working. If properly calibrated the hum should stop same time as cutterhead comes to a stop or fairly quickly afterwards but not before. There is nothing wrong if the hum continues for short time afterwards as long as machine is not restarted.
I have not thought about brake function with no load but imagine it would stop quickly not having to fight the moment of a heavy spinning cutterhead. I cannot imagine a reason for it to not work in this scenario.
There has been a report of brake board failure that resulted in overheating of motor but in your case the motor runs fine in no load condition. Have you run it for a longer duration with no load? I imagine if it is brake board causing the overheating, it might take longer to shutdown under no load.
Sorry, that is all I can think off. Hopefully, someone else can offer better guidance. In case of overheating, I personally would check the current motor is pulling to rule out the motor.
Imran?
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On Mar 14, 2021, at 12:31 PM, keith turner <keithturner01@...> wrote: ?
Hi Imran
? ? ? It is 230v single phase, I do not know how to tell if the electric brake is working.
If I disengage the infeed drive , the motor will work just sometimes, but if I remove the drive belt from the pulley the motor works every time
Keith
Keith,
Not sure what is happening but few pieces of info may help. Single phase or 3 phase? Is electric brake working, load or no load?
Imran
On Mar 14, 2021, at 6:40 AM, keithturner01@... wrote:
?My planer /jointer has just developed a problem.
When I start the machine up the head starts to turn then stalls and starts a growling noise (for want of a better word) ,the motor overheats and cuts out.
I have taken the drive belt off and the motor works fine, I checked the head and it seems fine, bearings turn freely and no play. When I reinstall the drive belt stalls again. i.e motor do not seem to work under load, Any ideas Keith
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Re: power package for KF700
What do you think the dial indicator wheels are? They are a DRO for the height and angle.
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I was telling Randy in a private conversation that it would really be a nice option to have a DRO with manual crank on the saw as a lower cost upgrade. I do not know this for a fact but it has to be significantly less expensive. The budgets of hobby woodworkers can be limited and they have more time compared to businesses that can, in many cases, not only afford the expense but also benefit from the productivity gains.
I imagine OEMs fear that it might cut the power upgrade sales substantially and perhaps that is the reason it is not offered. Has anyone seen this offered by OEM on woodworking machine?
Imran On Mar 14, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: ? I have no idea, I just know that the electronics can be a source of failure points. Witness all the failed brake boards lately… and blown capacitors. I don’t find the hand cranking of the saw or shaper to be a big issue, it’s not that many turns and for me the dial indicators in the hand wheels have been extremely reliable and accurate.
The jointer/planer is where I see the value of the powered up and down, my shoulders and elbows scream in agony every time I have to change over.
On Mar 13, 2021, at 7:34 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
It’s a good point Brian but I’ve never gone a “down” day either with my 16 year old Dual 51 with digi drive. Maybe the KF electronics are not as robust? On 14 Mar 2021, at 11:28 am, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I find that manual with the hand wheel indicators works just fine on the saw and shaper. I would want power up and down on the J/P. My machines are over 20 years old now and never been down a day because my saw or shaper won’t go up and down….
On Mar 13, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote:
I am nearing the point of purchase for a new KF 700, and one remaining question I have is whether to add the power features for the shaper and saw units.
Any advice from you pros and afficianados on this? Use is as a "hobbyist" rather than a professional shop. Thanks!?
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Re: power package for KF700
For me, its the power up-down going between jointer and planer and the accuracy of the position read out.? You can dial up a board thickness.?
On the shaper, its more about position (elevation).? Tweaking a setting is accurate and convenient.? Dropping the rig below the table and then coming back to a set up is handy as heck.? Tilt on the shaper and saw can be easily accomplished with a magnetic base electronic angle finder or an app on your phone.?
I don't have? power in my saw but think returning to a position like with a dado set up would be nice to have.
I have had no maintenance issues.
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Re: KF700 Cast Iron/Slider Flatness Check
Hi Jonathan,
Not sure how but I was exposed to scraping many years ago. I respect folks who do that. Not only that I do not want to go on that tangent (I don’t really need help in that area ?), I do not think it is needed in this case.
I had the impression that most Felder owners carry out a check of their machine but the response to this post shows that I am most likely wrong, which is not surprising.
Imran?
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On Mar 14, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote: ?Imran,
I see a scraping class in your future.??
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Re: power package for KF700
That's what the Martin T-60 has - DRO with manual crank on the saw as a lower cost upgrade Dave Davies
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:37 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: I was telling Randy in a private conversation that it would really be a nice option to have a DRO with manual crank on the saw as a lower cost upgrade. I do not know this for a fact but it has to be significantly less expensive. The budgets of hobby woodworkers can be limited and they have more time compared to businesses that can, in many cases, not only afford the expense but also benefit from the productivity gains.
I imagine OEMs fear that it might cut the power upgrade sales substantially and perhaps that is the reason it is not offered. Has anyone seen this offered by OEM on woodworking machine?
Imran On Mar 14, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: ?I have no idea, I just know that the electronics can be a source of failure points. Witness all the failed brake boards lately… and blown capacitors. I don’t find the hand cranking of the saw or shaper to be a big issue, it’s not that many turns and for me the dial indicators in the hand wheels have been extremely reliable and accurate.
The jointer/planer is where I see the value of the powered up and down, my shoulders and elbows scream in agony every time I have to change over.
On Mar 13, 2021, at 7:34 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
It’s a good point Brian but I’ve never gone a “down” day either with my 16 year old Dual 51 with digi drive. Maybe the KF electronics are not as robust? On 14 Mar 2021, at 11:28 am, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?I find that manual with the hand wheel indicators works just fine on the saw and shaper. I would want power up and down on the J/P. My machines are over 20 years old now and never been down a day because my saw or shaper won’t go up and down….
On Mar 13, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote:
I am nearing the point of purchase for a new KF 700, and one remaining question I have is whether to add the power features for the shaper and saw units.
Any advice from you pros and afficianados on this? Use is as a "hobbyist" rather than a professional shop. Thanks!?
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: power package for KF700
I was telling Randy in a private conversation that it would really be a nice option to have a DRO with manual crank on the saw as a lower cost upgrade. I do not know this for a fact but it has to be significantly less expensive. The budgets of hobby woodworkers can be limited and they have more time compared to businesses that can, in many cases, not only afford the expense but also benefit from the productivity gains.
I imagine OEMs fear that it might cut the power upgrade sales substantially and perhaps that is the reason it is not offered. Has anyone seen this offered by OEM on woodworking machine?
Imran
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On Mar 14, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? I have no idea, I just know that the electronics can be a source of failure points. Witness all the failed brake boards lately… and blown capacitors. I don’t find the hand cranking of the saw or shaper to be a big issue, it’s not that many turns and for me the dial indicators in the hand wheels have been extremely reliable and accurate.
The jointer/planer is where I see the value of the powered up and down, my shoulders and elbows scream in agony every time I have to change over.
On Mar 13, 2021, at 7:34 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
It’s a good point Brian but I’ve never gone a “down” day either with my 16 year old Dual 51 with digi drive. Maybe the KF electronics are not as robust? On 14 Mar 2021, at 11:28 am, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I find that manual with the hand wheel indicators works just fine on the saw and shaper. I would want power up and down on the J/P. My machines are over 20 years old now and never been down a day because my saw or shaper won’t go up and down….
On Mar 13, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote:
I am nearing the point of purchase for a new KF 700, and one remaining question I have is whether to add the power features for the shaper and saw units.
Any advice from you pros and afficianados on this? Use is as a "hobbyist" rather than a professional shop. Thanks!?
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Re: KF700 Cast Iron/Slider Flatness Check
Imran,
I see a scraping class in your future.??
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Hi Imran
? ? ? It is 230v single phase, I do not know how to tell if the electric brake is working.
If I disengage the infeed drive , the motor will work just sometimes, but if I remove the drive belt from the pulley the motor works every time
Keith
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Keith,
Not sure what is happening but few pieces of info may help. Single phase or 3 phase? Is electric brake working, load or no load?
Imran
On Mar 14, 2021, at 6:40 AM, keithturner01@... wrote:
?My planer /jointer has just developed a problem.
When I start the machine up the head starts to turn then stalls and starts a growling noise (for want of a better word) ,the motor overheats and cuts out.
I have taken the drive belt off and the motor works fine, I checked the head and it seems fine, bearings turn freely and no play. When I reinstall the drive belt stalls again. i.e motor do not seem to work under load, Any ideas Keith
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Colin
If I disengage the infeed the motor works sometimes, but other times just makes a growling noise
It is single phase 230v
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Have you got the feed engaged for thicknesser/planer, when this happens?.
Colin
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My planer /jointer has just developed a problem.
When I start the machine up the head starts to turn then stalls and starts a growling noise (for want of a better word) ,the motor overheats and cuts out.
I have taken the drive belt off and the motor works fine, I checked the head and it seems fine, bearings turn freely and no play. When I reinstall the drive belt stalls again. i.e motor do not seem to work under load, Any ideas Keith
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Re: Leverlock tape measures
If you value your time fixing a tape is negative! I tend to use different tapes for different thinks milwaukee big clunky things for construction and I hate tapes that are mm inch measurement is always on wrong side ! I use mm only for cabinet and case making. Biggest problem with tape measure rd is finding them!!!? Designing and building for 50 years
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On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Fred, it's less about the blade stiffness and more about the locking mechanisms failing over time, especially the leverlock/autolock?styles.
Brian and David B., thanks for the recommendations, I hadn't considered those options but will in the future.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: power package for KF700
I have no idea, I just know that the electronics can be a source of failure points. Witness all the failed brake boards lately… and blown capacitors. I don’t find the hand cranking of the saw or shaper to be a big issue, it’s not that many turns and for me the dial indicators in the hand wheels have been extremely reliable and accurate.
The jointer/planer is where I see the value of the powered up and down, my shoulders and elbows scream in agony every time I have to change over.
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On Mar 13, 2021, at 7:34 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
It’s a good point Brian but I’ve never gone a “down” day either with my 16 year old Dual 51 with digi drive. Maybe the KF electronics are not as robust? On 14 Mar 2021, at 11:28 am, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I find that manual with the hand wheel indicators works just fine on the saw and shaper. I would want power up and down on the J/P. My machines are over 20 years old now and never been down a day because my saw or shaper won’t go up and down….
On Mar 13, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote:
I am nearing the point of purchase for a new KF 700, and one remaining question I have is whether to add the power features for the shaper and saw units.
Any advice from you pros and afficianados on this? Use is as a "hobbyist" rather than a professional shop. Thanks!?
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Fred, it's less about the blade stiffness and more about the locking mechanisms failing over time, especially the leverlock/autolock?styles.
Brian and David B., thanks for the recommendations, I hadn't considered those options but will in the future.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: KF700 Cast Iron/Slider Flatness Check
Enlighten? I don't follow.?
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Keith,
Not sure what is happening but few pieces of info may help. Single phase or 3 phase? Is electric brake working, load or no load?
Imran
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On Mar 14, 2021, at 6:40 AM, keithturner01@... wrote: ?My planer /jointer has just developed a problem.
When I start the machine up the head starts to turn then stalls and starts a growling noise (for want of a better word) ,the motor overheats and cuts out.
I have taken the drive belt off and the motor works fine, I checked the head and it seems fine, bearings turn freely and no play. When I reinstall the drive belt stalls again. i.e motor do not seem to work under load, Any ideas Keith
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Hi Keith, Have you got the feed engaged for thicknesser/planer, when this happens?. Colin ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: keithturner01@...Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2021 6:40 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [FOG] Felder AD 531 ? My planer /jointer has just developed a problem.
When I start the machine up the head starts to turn then stalls and starts a growling noise (for want of a better word) ,the motor overheats and cuts out.
I have taken the drive belt off and the motor works fine, I checked the head and it seems fine, bearings turn freely and no play. When I reinstall the drive belt stalls again. i.e motor do not seem to work under load, Any ideas Keith
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My planer /jointer has just developed a problem.
When I start the machine up the head starts to turn then stalls and starts a growling noise (for want of a better word) ,the motor overheats and cuts out.
I have taken the drive belt off and the motor works fine, I checked the head and it seems fine, bearings turn freely and no play. When I reinstall the drive belt stalls again. i.e motor do not seem to work under load, Any ideas Keith
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Re: Leverlock tape measures
How stiff is the blade?? Can it handle an unsupported measure of 10-12'? Thanks,? Fred
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Re: Leverlock tape measures
I have three of these Starrett tape measures, and the locking systems have held up for years:
David Best
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Esteemed members, I'm coming to you with a serious case of frustration over cheap tape measure repairs. I'm cheap and I want more out of my tape measures. My leverlocks from Stanley and Fastcap seem to lose friction with regularity despite disassembly, cleaning, and sometimes shimming to increase spring pressure. They always slip again sooner than later. Who knows the secret to the fountain of tape-measure-youth?
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: power package for KF700
The electronic controls and mechanical positioning systems for height and tilt are identical across all “PowerDrive” equipped saws and shapers. ?J/P planer table elevation is a different beast. ?The saw/shaper PowerDrive systems have been in production over 15 years and have proven to be fairly reliable. ?I know of three failure reports of the electronic control board, including my own Profil 45, and all were corrected with a board replacement and phone support.
PowerDrive is one of those things you can not add later, so think through how you intend to use the machine and your tolerance level for hand-cranked systems. ?The risks of electronic spares 20 years out has been discussed here many times, so search the archives if that’s your brand of paranoia. ?Personally, I would prioritize shaper spindle height as top priority for PowerDrive, followed closely by saw arbor tilt, but those priorities have a lot to do with the type of projects I do.
The accuracy issues that have been reported here on the Profil 45 are related to the xMotion version and stored tooling setup libraries. ?
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I have just blade elevation on K975 and I do not like not having a precise control or a DRO. I like powerdrive on my J/P where I can make a quick change fast and then advance by .01mm or 0.005mil.
If the budget is limited IMHO, most bang for the buck is getting powerdrive for the shaper elevation. I have read here that it loses calibration on Profil (at least the older models) but not sure if that is true for KF700. I would certainly make sure of that before taking that step.
Imran On Mar 13, 2021, at 5:21 PM, Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: ?I am nearing the point of purchase for a new KF 700, and one remaining question I have is whether to add the power features for the shaper and saw units.
Any advice from you pros and afficianados on this? Use is as a "hobbyist" rather than a professional shop. Thanks!?
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