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Re: Joining group

 

I have had a Hammer A3-31 for 4 years, a ton of Festool and a new Felder K700S arriving in a week or two. ?So looking forward to getting this saw in the shop.?

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Re: HP needed for heavy cutter?

 

Mike,
?I had a chance to take a look at your link and I have to say that is fascinating. I had no idea that That was a shout away from my house. The only thing I knew about was the guy that collected tanks. I did get to see part of that years ago. I can't remember his name and not even sure if he is still alive. Very cool what your group has done.

My simpleton thought would be the box May be 10ft w/ a router template and tree guys. I think it would progress pretty fast. The hardest part of this however resetting all that track.
My back is hurting just thinking about that part.
Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257
?????????? Avery, CA. 95224
Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road
????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137
LIC # 707507


On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 10:40 AM TMichael WARD via <tmikko=[email protected]> wrote:
Great stuff ! What a rich resource you guys are.

Here are some thoughts on your excellent replies.
First, Mark T's dwg is correct for the ties. They are 1.5" thick, ~ 16 inches long and 2-1/2" high.? The material is recycled, molded plastic.?
The specs on spacing of the grooves is 7-5/8" +.092, -0.? Or, better said, 7.667 +- .046 if my math is correct.?
Jonathan M: The length of the ties are nominal, so making one cut and flipping them means you handle them twice, and any error in length is translated into an error on spacing.
Hence my desire to make both cuts in one pass.

George W; 18,500 pieces, at 3 per foot means we are refurbishing 6,175' of track with wood ties. Our RR has about 1.8 miles of track, and the older track is on wooden ties, which we are replacing.
Scale for narrow gage is 2.5"/ ft, for standard gage is 1.5"/ ft, so both can run on the same track.
The precision required is to keep the engine wheels on the track, especially on curves, and with variability introduced during th making of the track panels.
You can visit our website at if you want to see the operation.

The CNC machine idea is great, maybe the best, but we are a volunteer organization with a low budget, so looking for reliable, safe, low cost solutions.
We do have folks with excellent metal working capabilities, so making a dedicated machine is not a challenge.
It would be like the Woodmaster that Imram suggested. By the way, the right sized Woodmaster has? 5 hp motor.
Interesting idea to buy one used and resell.

A router table with two routers is a good idea, much easier to make than the dedicated machine.
Mark T.: On a formica (slippery) table with a fence at right angles also good idea. I was thinking of the frame idea so one team could be loading a frame, another pushing it through, third disassembling.
Good choice on the router bits.

Brian: Rebate cutters are also a good idea, because the inside dimension of the cut must be precise, but the outside cut can be a little large, so 50mm or 2" would work
David B. We are vols, so no pay, it is boring, but fun to figure out.

Thanks again.? If this inspires more ideas, I'd love to hear them.

Mike Ward

Re: Joining group

 

Welcome!
What type of equipment do you have?

Bill B¨¦langer


On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 5:57 PM Steve Lyde via <stlyde=[email protected]> wrote:
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Steve Lyde
Re: #forsale Felder Unofficial Survival Guide #repair #forsale

 

I didn't have anyone email me about the Guide, so it's going up on eBay tonight.

Take care,

Rod
Re: 12" or 16" Jointer /Planer

 

The Hammer A3-41 has the single pole lifting; however, it does have spring assists on both tables, which are co-planar.?

I had a 12" J/P and sold it last summer, as I often wanted to joint surfaces wider than 14". I have a Hammer A3-41 coming next month (?). Covid caused an 8 month wait.?
Re: HP needed for heavy cutter?

 

Mike, your idea of frames and several people would speed it up further.??

I just happen to have railroad ties that are 1/4 scale of 2-1/2 scale, and I mocked it up.? A sheet of melamine plywood, a couple routers screwed underneath, a stick of wood for a fixed fence, and three cycling frames to push a batch of pieces through.? One or two people load frame, one person pushes through and a third and maybe a fourth pulls and stacks from the offload side.? You could build this in a few hours probably, for free except the cost of two routers bits (surely you can have the routers in the shop or among members, and some 2x4 scraps and a sheet of plywood, maybe you buy a $30 melamine sheet for slipperiness)? ?

If you have 3 or 4 people working concurrently, they could have a loaded frame ready as soon as you've pushed the last one through.? Your cycle time per frame could be perhaps 30 seconds.? 18,000 would take 2.5 hours at that rate.
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www.lambtoolworks.com

On Jan 29, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Steve Lyde via groups.io <stlyde@...> wrote:

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Re: Mortising unit for Ad741 / FD250 #jointerplaner

 

Jonathan has the attachment for his CF machine. I'm pretty sure that's much higher RPM than the FD250.

Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture

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Minneapolis, MN 55406
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J. Holtz Furniture
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Minneapolis, MN 55406
Re: HP needed for heavy cutter?

 

You might consider laying as many as will fit edge to edge and on a long table, butted to a stop on one end.? Clamp the stack horizontally.? Lay over and affix a jig to guide a routers with a surfacing bit and rout out the dadoes.? The jig would look like the ones made to surface large slabs, but simpler as the router does not need to cut across the entire surface, just two tracks.? The cut would be best done in two passes for each depth of cut: down one side and back up cutting the other side.? Depending on the router and bit size, a full dept cut might be possible.? With two such workstation and two workers cutting, one from each side on first station, a third or fourth person could unload the newly notched ties and load up with blanks on the second station.

It would not be the most fun job to work on, but I think it is a low tech and quick way to go about getting them all prepared for the rails.
Re: Mortising unit for Ad741 / FD250 #jointerplaner

 

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Jonathan,

I have never considered the fact that morticing attachment being attached to J/P runs at a diff RPM than FD250. My dual51 lists 60Hz RPM as 5640 and FD250 lists RPM as 3000.

I have never seen this diff brought up here. Morticing attachment has an advantage of higher RPM thus allowing more options in selecting cutters.

Imran?

On Jan 29, 2021, at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote:

?Imran,

My mortiser is mounted in the planer arbor so runs whatever speed that is.? I have never run birds mouth so can't compare but the end mills cut to size and the finish is good.? 1/2" is my largest bit so shim for wider and clean up with a chisel.? If I ever get into a project that required a 3/4" exactly, I might buy a bit.? I think it would run fine.? The key is to not go deep in a single hole.? Peck to half depth or so across the width, then peck to full depth, then clean across.? I think you warned me against letting the helical cutter getting grabbed and sucked in.? I've been careful and so far, knock on wood, it has not happened, yet.

Re: Mortising unit for Ad741 / FD250 #jointerplaner

 

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Nope, no lathe at all¡­ keeping my eyes out for a small CNC lathe if I ever come across one.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Jan 29, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote:

Thanks Robert, but I'm all set in that department.? I have a Hardinge HLV-H.? I bet Brian has one too.

Re: Mortising unit for Ad741 / FD250 #jointerplaner

 

Thanks Robert, but I'm all set in that department.? I have a Hardinge HLV-H.? I bet Brian has one too.
Re: Mortising unit for Ad741 / FD250 #jointerplaner

 

Imran,

My mortiser is mounted in the planer arbor so runs whatever speed that is.? I have never run birds mouth so can't compare but the end mills cut to size and the finish is good.? 1/2" is my largest bit so shim for wider and clean up with a chisel.? If I ever get into a project that required a 3/4" exactly, I might buy a bit.? I think it would run fine.? The key is to not go deep in a single hole.? Peck to half depth or so across the width, then peck to full depth, then clean across.? I think you warned me against letting the helical cutter getting grabbed and sucked in.? I've been careful and so far, knock on wood, it has not happened, yet.
Re: Dust hose lengths for KF700

 

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Howard,

See this post?

These come in 10¡¯ length so yoh can just cut it to what you need. make sure you measure with blade at 45 deg.

As for shaper, there is no internal hose on my 2002 KF700. So length is what you need to connect to your DC.

Imran


On Jan 29, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Howard Metz <hdmetz1960@...> wrote:

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I need to replace the saw and shaper dust hoses in my 19 year old KF 700.??All of the plastic has disintegrated so I can¡¯t get an accurate measure of length.

Anyone know the correct lengths and recommendation for hose?

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Thanks

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Howard

Re: Mortising unit for Ad741 / FD250 #jointerplaner

 

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One of these days I'll figure out how to do this correctly.
Re: Mortising unit for Ad741 / FD250 #jointerplaner

 

Regarding old iron as in a lathe?? I have a circa mid-1960's Cazeneuve Lathe 360 HBX French tool room lathe that is available.? Contact me off line at woodewe@...

Dust hose lengths for KF700

Howard Metz
 

I need to replace the saw and shaper dust hoses in my 19 year old KF 700.??All of the plastic has disintegrated so I can¡¯t get an accurate measure of length.

Anyone know the correct lengths and recommendation for hose?

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Thanks

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Howard

Re: HP needed for heavy cutter?

 

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Mike,

I searched, there was one in NW on craigslist in Jan but the post is deleted. I use this search engine:


I wonder if you can rent one from an owner. Give them a new belt and infeed outfeed rollers plus a fee. It is not doing much work.

If you are a not for profit, use your local TV station to put a call out. Especially if this is something open to public, some RR enthusiast may step up. When I was leading my religious community, I learned about opportunities to use your local media.

Imran

On Jan 29, 2021, at 3:28 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?Mike,

I sold my 718 couple of yrs ago for around $2400. So anyone selling likely will go to craigslist first. That is what I did.

If slot depth is important than milling from bottom will be optimal. Milling from top will rely on tie height to give you same depth on all. So maybe woodmaster or like will not work for you.

Unless you are interested in routers, any moulder should work similar to woodmaster. I know there is at least one knock off of woodmaster.

I have never milled plastic so if you go moulder route, I would certainly call the company to verify the project.

Imran

On Jan 29, 2021, at 3:06 PM, TMichael WARD via groups.io <tmikko@...> wrote:

?Hi Imram.

I checked ebay and didn¡¯t see any Woodmasters. Any ideas where I should look? I¡¯m in California.

Slot depth is fairly important, tie height is not. We build track panels 10 feet in length, take them to the road bed; pour washed gravel over them, then pull up to final height, so height variability is not a problem.
Re: HP needed for heavy cutter?

 

Mike,

I sold my 718 couple of yrs ago for around $2400. So anyone selling likely will go to craigslist first. That is what I did.

If slot depth is important than milling from bottom will be optimal. Milling from top will rely on tie height to give you same depth on all. So maybe woodmaster or like will not work for you.

Unless you are interested in routers, any moulder should work similar to woodmaster. I know there is at least one knock off of woodmaster.

I have never milled plastic so if you go moulder route, I would certainly call the company to verify the project.

Imran

On Jan 29, 2021, at 3:06 PM, TMichael WARD via groups.io <tmikko@...> wrote:

?Hi Imram.

I checked ebay and didn¡¯t see any Woodmasters. Any ideas where I should look? I¡¯m in California.

Slot depth is fairly important, tie height is not. We build track panels 10 feet in length, take them to the road bed; pour washed gravel over them, then pull up to final height, so height variability is not a problem.
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