Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
20K for a 14 years old KF700 is too much. I would buy a 22K Martin T-60 instead, then buy a used standalone shaper :)
James
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:50 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
The tooling and the cabinet look to be a good deal.? The machines are way overpriced.? Dave
After a quick look the KF700 and AD741 are in working order, appear to be in great condition with no rust or damage, but are in need of a cleaning.? The slider is 9' (not 8') and operates very smoothly. Both have mobility kits installed. The KF700 has
remote start for saw and scoring at end of slider.? There are two shaper hoods, transport and mounting unit, 2 ecentric clamps, F38 power feeder, outrigger with extension, crosscut fence with extension, tenoning plate, 4 shaper spindles, what appears to be
a DGL 690, 9 or more Felder blades, 3 freud blades, a lot of shaper tooling (really a lot), stainless steel rolling tool cabinet, dust collection fittings, extra 49" fence bar and measure, and many more items.
There might be a extension table for right side of the cast iron top hidden somewhere in the shop.
This is essentially an estate sale.? The surviving son is asking $20K for the machines and accessories with $2000 extra for the tooling and cabinet.?
There is a lot here and as Joe said, much of the tooling I might never use.
I estimated an incomplete list of the accessories and tooling that did not come with the individual units with pricing from Felder's online store and internet searches at about $15K. ?
So, these are 14 year old machines, in good to excellent condition. The KF700 has desirable features with digital-drive, variable speed, a feature I believe is not offered today and accessorized to the hilt.?
Still on the fence, because of the cost and I can't help feel like there may be some missing parts. ? Here are some photos.
                  
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Mike, ? If? you decide not to purchase...I'd be interested in seeing if I could purchase the Distometer from the seller.? I sure hope this won't happen to my workshop when I pass... Thanks, Davve Davies
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 9:50 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
The tooling and the cabinet look to be a good deal.? The machines are way overpriced.? Dave
After a quick look the KF700 and AD741 are in working order, appear to be in great condition with no rust or damage, but are in need of a cleaning.? The slider is 9' (not 8') and operates very smoothly. Both have mobility kits installed. The KF700 has
remote start for saw and scoring at end of slider.? There are two shaper hoods, transport and mounting unit, 2 ecentric clamps, F38 power feeder, outrigger with extension, crosscut fence with extension, tenoning plate, 4 shaper spindles, what appears to be
a DGL 690, 9 or more Felder blades, 3 freud blades, a lot of shaper tooling (really a lot), stainless steel rolling tool cabinet, dust collection fittings, extra 49" fence bar and measure, and many more items.
There might be a extension table for right side of the cast iron top hidden somewhere in the shop.
This is essentially an estate sale.? The surviving son is asking $20K for the machines and accessories with $2000 extra for the tooling and cabinet.?
There is a lot here and as Joe said, much of the tooling I might never use.
I estimated an incomplete list of the accessories and tooling that did not come with the individual units with pricing from Felder's online store and internet searches at about $15K. ?
So, these are 14 year old machines, in good to excellent condition. The KF700 has desirable features with digital-drive, variable speed, a feature I believe is not offered today and accessorized to the hilt.?
Still on the fence, because of the cost and I can't help feel like there may be some missing parts. ? Here are some photos.
                  
Mike Barrow
-- Dave & Marie Davies
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
The tooling and the cabinet look to be a good deal.? The machines are way overpriced.? Dave
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After a quick look the KF700 and AD741 are in working order, appear to be in great condition with no rust or damage, but are in need of a cleaning. ?The slider is 9' (not 8') and operates very smoothly. Both have mobility kits installed. The KF700 has
remote start for saw and scoring at end of slider. ?There are two shaper hoods, transport and mounting unit, 2 ecentric clamps, F38 power feeder, outrigger with extension, crosscut fence with extension, tenoning plate, 4 shaper spindles, what appears to be
a DGL 690, 9 or more Felder blades, 3 freud blades, a lot of shaper tooling (really a lot), stainless steel rolling tool cabinet, dust collection fittings, extra 49" fence bar and measure, and many more items.
There might be a extension table for right side of the cast iron top hidden somewhere in the shop.
This is essentially an estate sale. ?The surviving son is asking $20K for the machines and accessories with $2000 extra for the tooling and cabinet.?
There is a lot here and as Joe said, much of the tooling I might never use.
I estimated an incomplete list of the accessories and tooling that did not come with the individual units with pricing from Felder's online store and internet searches at about $15K. ?
So, these are 14 year old machines, in good to excellent condition. The KF700 has desirable features with digital-drive, variable speed, a feature I believe is not offered today and accessorized to the hilt.?
Still on the fence, because of the cost and I can't help feel like there may be some missing parts. ? Here are some photos.
                  
Mike Barrow
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I have found any pitchy/resinous wood tends to catch and grab… I can run any hardwood, walnut, cherry, maple, etc. and rarely have an issue. Try sending a couple 2x4’s thru and it’ll start screeching and grabbing almost immediately. How heavy are your passes, less depth of cut tends to feed smoother in my experience, but then in softwoods you run the risk of seeing indentations from the serrated roller.
You might try making a bed cover out of melamine, put a cleat sticking down on both ends so it’s captive on the bed and then run your material on top of that. The melamine is pretty slippery.
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
After a quick look the KF700 and AD741 are in working order, appear to be in great condition with no rust or damage, but are in need of a cleaning. ?The slider is 9' (not 8') and operates very smoothly. Both have mobility kits installed. The KF700 has remote start for saw and scoring at end of slider. ?There are two shaper hoods, transport and mounting unit, 2 ecentric clamps, F38 power feeder, outrigger with extension, crosscut fence with extension, tenoning plate, 4 shaper spindles, what appears to be a DGL 690, 9 or more Felder blades, 3 freud blades, a lot of shaper tooling (really a lot), stainless steel rolling tool cabinet, dust collection fittings, extra 49" fence bar and measure, and many more items. There might be a extension table for right side of the cast iron top hidden somewhere in the shop. This is essentially an estate sale. ?The surviving son is asking $20K for the machines and accessories with $2000 extra for the tooling and cabinet.? There is a lot here and as Joe said, much of the tooling I might never use. I estimated an incomplete list of the accessories and tooling that did not come with the individual units with pricing from Felder's online store and internet searches at about $15K. ? So, these are 14 year old machines, in good to excellent condition. The KF700 has desirable features with digital-drive, variable speed, a feature I believe is not offered today and accessorized to the hilt.? Still on the fence, because of the cost and I can't help feel like there may be some missing parts. ? Here are some photos.                    Mike Barrow
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
I actually talked to the previous owner of the Multi-router company, Lorraine Machine.? He acquired?the product to settle a debt that JDS owed him and he immediately raised the price to cover the debt.? He told me that when Woodpecker bought it they dropped the price and plan on making money through volume sales.? So good for us. Dave
Interesting. Woodpeckers start selling Multi-router, looks like Woodpeckers quietly bought the company that makes Multi router, cause Google search does not show that company (they bought JDS Multi router) anymore.
I think Multi router price has to come down, improve the dust collection, and more low cost templates, it cannot compete against Panto router, otherwise, it will become a loser like Leigh FMT at the end.
James
I see woodpeckers has a sale on the multi router from an email today.? ?So i thought I would revive this thread.? I was leaning toward a panto-router and wanted to ask if anyone had used both and what the set up was like.? I see David's comments on the multi-router which, as always, makes a lot of sense.? With the Pantorouter you move the router with the wood being clamped in one position and with the multi-router you move the work piece and tables to and around the router.? Does one of these methods make set up quicker and easier or is it "6 one 1/2 dozen the other"?
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Interesting. Woodpeckers start selling Multi-router, looks like Woodpeckers quietly bought the company that makes Multi router, cause Google search does not show that company (they bought JDS Multi router) anymore.
I think Multi router price has to come down, improve the dust collection, and more low cost templates, it cannot compete against Panto router, otherwise, it will become a loser like Leigh FMT at the end.
James
I see woodpeckers has a sale on the multi router from an email today.? ?So i thought I would revive this thread.? I was leaning toward a panto-router and wanted to ask if anyone had used both and what the set up was like.? I see David's comments on the multi-router which, as always, makes a lot of sense.? With the Pantorouter you move the router with the wood being clamped in one position and with the multi-router you move the work piece and tables to and around the router.? Does one of these methods make set up quicker and easier or is it "6 one 1/2 dozen the other"?
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? I haven’t used the pants router but I do have the multi. ? I love its precision. ? I would like to add the 3 axis DRO as well. ?That would be a great addition.
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On Jan 5, 2021, at 7:40 AM, Michael Marsico <michael.marsico1@...> wrote:
?I see woodpeckers has a sale on the multi router from an email today.? ?So i thought I would revive this thread.? I was leaning toward a panto-router and wanted to ask if anyone had used both and what the set up was like.? I see David's comments on the multi-router which, as always, makes a lot of sense.? With the Pantorouter you move the router with the wood being clamped in one position and with the multi-router you move the work piece and tables to and around the router.? Does one of these methods make set up quicker and easier or is it "6 one 1/2 dozen the other"?
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Felder Shaper Spindle 424-116 1 1/4 Inch
This has been reduced to $299. Sharing JIC, someone is on the fence.
?Imran
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
I see woodpeckers has a sale on the multi router from an email today.? ?So i thought I would revive this thread.? I was leaning toward a panto-router and wanted to ask if anyone had used both and what the set up was like.? I see David's comments on the multi-router which, as always, makes a lot of sense.? With the Pantorouter you move the router with the wood being clamped in one position and with the multi-router you move the work piece and tables to and around the router.? Does one of these methods make set up quicker and easier or is it "6 one 1/2 dozen the other"?
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I do not see assembly drawing for AD741 in files, just the manual. Dual51 can be ordered with rubber infeed and outfeed rollers and it is a wear item. Do you have steel rollers? Mine is serrated steel on infeed and textured steel on outfeed.
Imran
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On Jan 5, 2021, at 8:44 AM, david slater via groups.io <davidslater@...> wrote:
?Hi Imran,
The material is getting stuck at random times, one post may pass through ok(not often however), some get stuck halfway through and will need to be shoved with some serious force to get it through the rest of the way others just stop randomly and move again when pushed.
I have cleaned both the feed rollers as good as new. When the material is stuck the feed rollers do not stop they simply roll on top of the material. I have cleaned the bed with white spirit and scotch brite then re-waxed it but that still hasn’t helped.
Regards, David.
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Re: Update RE: [FOG] Langzauner Sander Delivery
That truly sucks. Who was the shipper? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Hi Imran,
The material is getting stuck at random times, one post may pass through ok(not often however), some get stuck halfway through and will need to be shoved with some serious force to get it through the rest of the way others just stop randomly and move again when pushed.
I have cleaned both the feed rollers as good as new. When the material is stuck the feed rollers do not stop they simply roll on top of the material. I have cleaned the bed with white spirit and scotch brite then re-waxed it but that still hasn’t helped.
Regards, David.
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Hi David,
So is the issue with infeed or the material is getting stuck at the very end when only outfeed is engaged?
I recently looked at my outfeed roller on dual51 and it had lots of resin from cypress. Came of easily with a natural cleaner we use in the house.
You likely know but this might help until the machine is fixed
Imran
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On Jan 5, 2021, at 7:36 AM, david slater via groups.io <davidslater@...> wrote: ?Hi Imran,
Yes the blades are practically new.
Regards, David.
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Hi Imran,
Yes the blades are practically new.
Regards, David.
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Assume you have tried changinh blades already.
Imran
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On Jan 5, 2021, at 6:00 AM, david slater via groups.io <davidslater@...> wrote: ?Hi all
I wonder if any of you can help me with a problem i have been having with my thicknesser. Its a 2011 AD741, Recently I have been having issues with it feeding material through so i had the cowl off and noticed the drive chain for the feed rollers was extremely loose so i have just changed it for new thinking this was causing the issue. Unfortunately the issue remains and it still will not feed material through properly. I regularly wax the surface and this seems to help but only for a brief period of time.
I do run a large amount of green posts through it however i always have done and it did not used to be an issue. Today i waxed the bed again and ran some kiln dried douglas fir through it to test and whilst this mostly went through easier it still stuck a fair amount of times and needed shoving through.?
I have tried adjusting the tension on the feed rollers with the adjustment screws on top to no avail.
The machine sees a lot of work and will regularly get 1000bft through it in a day but it used to all just sail through without anything really sticking.
If any of you have any ideas as to what the problem may be i would be very grateful.
regards, David.
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Hi all
I wonder if any of you can help me with a problem i have been having with my thicknesser. Its a 2011 AD741, Recently I have been having issues with it feeding material through so i had the cowl off and noticed the drive chain for the feed rollers was extremely loose so i have just changed it for new thinking this was causing the issue. Unfortunately the issue remains and it still will not feed material through properly. I regularly wax the surface and this seems to help but only for a brief period of time.
I do run a large amount of green posts through it however i always have done and it did not used to be an issue. Today i waxed the bed again and ran some kiln dried douglas fir through it to test and whilst this mostly went through easier it still stuck a fair amount of times and needed shoving through.?
I have tried adjusting the tension on the feed rollers with the adjustment screws on top to no avail.
The machine sees a lot of work and will regularly get 1000bft through it in a day but it used to all just sail through without anything really sticking.
If any of you have any ideas as to what the problem may be i would be very grateful.
regards, David.
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
If I would have known that I was going to end up with the k940 in the beginning I would have totally gone for the t60, still quite a jump from what I paid but still...
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On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:38 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:
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A friend has a T60 and if you don’t want all the CNC automation, it too is very well built.? I would say better built than all the Felder saw IMHO.
I really like how you move the fence with a crank on the operator side with a DRO on the screen to tell you the setting.
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T75 loaded is like $70K plus.? T60 was like $22K
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The Martin T70 or T75 are both TOTAL BEASTS!!?
I recommend you put a Martin T70 or T75 in the mix when evaluating an upgrade from the Kappa 400X.
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I’m happy with my Kappa. It was some issue with dust port. Always big chunks stack . But we came out solution?
Im even planing update to kappa 590 !!
Elegance Custom Cabinetry?
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Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P
with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.?
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Wait until you turn the handle the wrong way and wipe out $40 end mills or $50 worth of material. It’s a steep slope indeed.
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Who knew tooling could be so expensive?? I'm buying a mill and a lathe and having to suck it up to get the necessary tooling and equipment to make them functional.? Could have bought a nice teal machine for the price of this endeavor. Dave
Tool is expensive but don’t be seduced by tooling you may not ever need.? I went with a 1 ?” spindle and I’ve purchased a ton of basic profiles on ebay
used.? I’ve also purchased Garniga from Rangate for the cabinet sets and some others.? I have used all the Garniga $$$ and probably ?” of the used ones.? But they were all between $30 and $90 each and things like roundovers and coves that I want when I need
them. ?
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Did you intend to include a link or pics?
Have the machines been in hobby use or commercial?
Hard to say without condition and other details. Shaper tooling can easily add $$$.
?Hoping you guys could help me understand if this used Jointer planer and Saw/Shaper is a good deal at $7,500 for the J/P and $12,500 for the 8.5' KF700SP.? They come in what appears to be excellent condition, extension tables, some shaper
tooling and the KF700 has digi-drive and variable motor speed with separate saw motors for main saw blade and scoring blade.
Seems like it might be a little on the high side for 14+ year old equipment, but....
Please let me know what you think.
Thanks!
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