Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
James,
They released a version of the video with English subtitles. I watched it at one point.?
Martin factory tour. Wish there was at least english translation.
I am a bit surprised?that when installing the sliding table, the young guy slammed the sliding table multiple times.
James
Bomb-proof is how I describe them.? Much better build quality than a 590 - in my humble opinion.? Sorry Felder.
The Martin T70 or T75 are both TOTAL BEASTS!!?
I recommend you put a Martin T70 or T75 in the mix when evaluating an upgrade from the Kappa 400X.
On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Dmitry Ivanovs via < divanov2@...> wrote:
I’m happy with my Kappa. It was some issue with dust port. Always big chunks stack . But we came out solution? Im even planing update to kappa 590 !! Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs . ? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.? Pat
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
He’s forcing the bearing cage to center between the upper and lower sliding table ways. ?You have to do the same thing on a Felder X-Roll to get the bearing cage centered. ? You’d never know that unless you remove the sliding table component from the lower rail. ?No difference here. ?Where there is a big difference is the lower sliding table rail. ?The Martin lower carriage is a welded steel component filled with concrete and does not flex. ?The Felder lower carriage is a flexible aluminum extrusion which is what creates all the adjustment madness. ?It’s less expensive, and reduces the weight distribution demands on the main chassis (tipping and flexing) but needs meticulous adjustments at multiple points which we’ve hashed over here on FOG continuously. ?The rigid lower carriage on the Martin eliminates all the banana-shaped issues and does not flex as the top sliding table is moved fore/aft. ?But it comes at a price.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Martin factory tour. Wish there was at least english translation.
I am a bit surprised?that when installing the sliding table, the young guy slammed the sliding table multiple times.
James Bomb-proof is how I describe them.? Much better build quality than a 590 - in my humble opinion.? Sorry Felder.
The Martin T70 or T75 are both TOTAL BEASTS!!?
I recommend you put a Martin T70 or T75 in the mix when evaluating an upgrade from the Kappa 400X.
On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Dmitry Ivanovs via < divanov2@...> wrote:
I’m happy with my Kappa. It was some issue with dust port. Always big chunks stack . But we came out solution? Im even planing update to kappa 590 !! Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs . ? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.? Pat
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Martin factory tour. Wish there was at least english translation.
I am a bit surprised?that when installing the sliding table, the young guy slammed the sliding table multiple times.
James
Bomb-proof is how I describe them.? Much better build quality than a 590 - in my humble opinion.? Sorry Felder.
The Martin T70 or T75 are both TOTAL BEASTS!!?
I recommend you put a Martin T70 or T75 in the mix when evaluating an upgrade from the Kappa 400X.
On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Dmitry Ivanovs via < divanov2@...> wrote:
I’m happy with my Kappa. It was some issue with dust port. Always big chunks stack . But we came out solution? Im even planing update to kappa 590 !! Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs . ? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.? Pat
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Ask Martin for quotes. ?Like Felder gear, it varies a lot depending on what options you configure with the machine.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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On Jan 3, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Dmitry Ivanovs via < divanov2@...> wrote:
What’s price for Martin ? Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs . ? Bomb-proof is how I describe them. ?Much better build quality than a 590 - in my humble opinion. ?Sorry Felder.
The Martin T70 or T75 are both TOTAL BEASTS!!?
I recommend you put a Martin T70 or T75 in the mix when evaluating an upgrade from the Kappa 400X.
On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Dmitry Ivanovs via < divanov2@...> wrote:
I’m happy with my Kappa. It was some issue with dust port. Always big chunks stack . But we came out solution? Im even planing update to kappa 590 !! Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs . ? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.? Pat
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
What’s price for Martin ? Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs .
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On Jan 3, 2021, at 21:06, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? Bomb-proof is how I describe them. ?Much better build quality than a 590 - in my humble opinion. ?Sorry Felder.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
The Martin T70 or T75 are both TOTAL BEASTS!!?
I recommend you put a Martin T70 or T75 in the mix when evaluating an upgrade from the Kappa 400X.
On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Dmitry Ivanovs via < divanov2@...> wrote:
I’m happy with my Kappa. It was some issue with dust port. Always big chunks stack . But we came out solution? Im even planing update to kappa 590 !! Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs . ? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.? Pat
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Bomb-proof is how I describe them. ?Much better build quality than a 590 - in my humble opinion. ?Sorry Felder.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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The Martin T70 or T75 are both TOTAL BEASTS!!?
I recommend you put a Martin T70 or T75 in the mix when evaluating an upgrade from the Kappa 400X.
On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Dmitry Ivanovs via < divanov2@...> wrote:
I’m happy with my Kappa. It was some issue with dust port. Always big chunks stack . But we came out solution? Im even planing update to kappa 590 !! Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs . ? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.? Pat
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
The Martin T70 or T75 are both TOTAL BEASTS!!?
On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 06:55:52 PM PST, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
I recommend you put a Martin T70 or T75 in the mix when evaluating an upgrade from the Kappa 400X.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Dmitry Ivanovs via < divanov2@...> wrote:
I’m happy with my Kappa. It was some issue with dust port. Always big chunks stack . But we came out solution? Im even planing update to kappa 590 !! Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs . ? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.? Pat
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
I recommend you put a Martin T70 or T75 in the mix when evaluating an upgrade from the Kappa 400X.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Dmitry Ivanovs via < divanov2@...> wrote:
I’m happy with my Kappa. It was some issue with dust port. Always big chunks stack . But we came out solution? Im even planing update to kappa 590 !! Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs . ? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.? Pat
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Hi Dmitry:
I’ve not seen the 590 in the flesh yet. If you really do upgrade, I would love a “real world” appraisal of the machine. It looks very nice on paper!
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On 4 Jan 2021, at 11:03 am, Dmitry Ivanovs via groups.io <divanov2@...> wrote:
? I’m happy with my Kappa. It was some issue with dust port. Always big chunks stack . But we came out solution? Im even planing update to kappa 590 !! Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs . On Jan 3, 2021, at 17:28, JP Rice via groups.io <jprphotos@...> wrote:
? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.?
Pat
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Hi Mac,
Forgive me guys, but the below table ducting is 120mm on my machine. Let’s blame it on one too many cocktails during the holiday period. Sorry.?
The Kappa design, at least from years ago, has an unfortunate s-bend in the ducting, which goes to a static duct/port on the machine base. This means the ducting external to the machine base does not move. Inside, as the saw unit moves through 45 degrees, the internal flex ducting contorts between the fixed duct end inside the machine base, and the moving end on the saw unit.?
Dust extraction at 45 degrees is even worse than at 90 degrees, in my experience.?
There is so little space in there that it is extremely difficult to tighten a hose clamp. The 120mm is actually sufficient if it were to come straight out the back like your SCMI. Of course 150/160mm would be better. On the Kappa, the area around the blade itself has been choked down (small cross sectional area). There are also plenty of obstructions and no smooth pathway for airflow to carry away chips and dust.?
Let me reiterate that while the dust extraction is not as good as it should be, it’s not all doom and gloom. I’d buy this saw again!
All machines have shortcomings. I’m comfortable with that!
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On 4 Jan 2021, at 11:03 am, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? Lucky can you increase the size at the casting with a transition? On my SCMI the dust is 6” I think and goes straight out the rear of the saw with a very short flex maybe 10” long. Designing and building for 50 years On Jan 3, 2021, at 6:58 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via groups.io <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? Thanks Lucky for the kind words, Pat is already an Airtightclamps owner and has keep his clamps for the new saw? It is just cold and White in Wisconsin. Regards mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On Jan 3, 2021, at 5:28 PM, JP Rice via groups.io <jprphotos@...> wrote:
? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.?
Pat
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Thanx again guys! I pulled the trigger tonight on the Strongway and the Tekton (the price came down to $180 for the 3/8 hose).
We'll see what happens.... (hopefully nothing memorable).
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Lucky can you increase the size at the casting with a transition? On my SCMI the dust is 6” I think and goes straight out the rear of the saw with a very short flex maybe 10” long. Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 3, 2021, at 6:58 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via groups.io <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? Thanks Lucky for the kind words, Pat is already an Airtightclamps owner and has keep his clamps for the new saw? It is just cold and White in Wisconsin. Regards mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On Jan 3, 2021, at 5:28 PM, JP Rice via groups.io <jprphotos@...> wrote:
? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.?
Pat
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Thanks Lucky for the kind words, Pat is already an Airtightclamps owner and has keep his clamps for the new saw? It is just cold and White in Wisconsin. Regards mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 3, 2021, at 5:28 PM, JP Rice via groups.io <jprphotos@...> wrote:
? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.?
Pat
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
I’m happy with my Kappa. It was some issue with dust port. Always big chunks stack . But we came out solution? Im even planing update to kappa 590 !! Elegance Custom Cabinetry? Minneapolis, Minnesota?
Regards?
Dmitry Ivanovs .
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On Jan 3, 2021, at 17:28, JP Rice via groups.io <jprphotos@...> wrote:
? Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.?
Pat
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Re: Flattening my workbench - using Brian's level
I did the same thing about 6 months ago. I was surprised how much twist it had. Even the vise faces didn't meet evenly. Much better now.
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Mark, I hope you are right, was kinda of disappointed to read of the poorer dust collection on the Kappa 400. I have enjoyed very good dust collection on my K500P with Grizzly overhead dust guard. Of course I think the 5hp Oneida Gorilla Pro with Smart Boost cyclone has a lot to do with that.?
Pat
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Nice write up Lucky, now you have me thinking I should have sprung for the xmotion on the k940?.... For what it’s worth the k940 I received with a build date of Nov 2020 does have a 5” internal dust hose well as the saw port casting being 5”, i believe the saw aggregate is the same in the kappa 400 so the must have changed it recently.?
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On Jan 3, 2021, at 5:56 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
? Pat:
Great. I think you’ll love the saw. And a huge yes to getting an epoxy floor put in BEFORE the Kappa arrives. I’ve done my epoxy floor in parts, moving all the machinery into 1 third of the shop, and then moving it around so I could get at the entire floor. It was soooo painful, but I love the result.
Lucky
Thank you Lucky for the detailed response. In considering upgrading from my K500P, I had previously said I was going with the K700S, but changed my order to the Kappa 400 X-Motion. Now for a estimated 20 week wait for delivery, but that will give me plenty of time to get a phase converter wired into my shop (currently leaning towards the Phase Perfect PT010). Also I am seriously considering hiring someone to put on a nice epoxy floor coating after grinding down the old finish and leveling out the high spots.? Pat Rice
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Pat:
Great. I think you’ll love the saw. And a huge yes to getting an epoxy floor put in BEFORE the Kappa arrives. I’ve done my epoxy floor in parts, moving all the machinery into 1 third of the shop, and then moving it around so I could get at the entire floor. It was soooo painful, but I love the result.
Lucky
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Thank you Lucky for the detailed response. In considering upgrading from my K500P, I had previously said I was going with the K700S, but changed my order to the Kappa 400 X-Motion. Now for a estimated 20 week wait for delivery, but that will give me plenty of time to get a phase converter wired into my shop (currently leaning towards the Phase Perfect PT010). Also I am seriously considering hiring someone to put on a nice epoxy floor coating after grinding down the old finish and leveling out the high spots.? Pat Rice
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Re: Kappa 400 Below Table Dust Extraction + Kappa 400 Review
Thank you Lucky for the detailed response. In considering upgrading from my K500P, I had previously said I was going with the K700S, but changed my order to the Kappa 400 X-Motion. Now for a estimated 20 week wait for delivery, but that will give me plenty of time to get a phase converter wired into my shop (currently leaning towards the Phase Perfect PT010). Also I am seriously considering hiring someone to put on a nice epoxy floor coating after grinding down the old finish and leveling out the high spots.?
Pat Rice
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Re: Flattening my workbench - using Brian's level
nice idea. sweet looking workbench also
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