one more thing
When hand tapping? using a cutting tap or die ( as opposed to a
forming tap or die) Drive the tap in? about half a turn ( or so)?
and then back it out? a half turn (or so).? You will figure this
out? the forst time you do it.? What is happening is? you need to
"Break the Chip" that was forming as the tap or die cut into the
material.?
Backing it off like that? will? do a few things (1)? Replenish
the lube at the cutting? edges, (2) snap that off and make things
progress easier, (3)? it makes it way more possible? to extract a
broken tap and? (4) way less likely? that you will snap a tap.?
On 12/13/20 7:55 PM, imranindiana via
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is anyone familiar with accusize industrial tools? it is a
canadian co out of toronto. i recently purchased two tap &
drill sets metric and SAE. i went with them because they offered
HSS at reasonable price.
i used the 1/2-13 tap first time today and it broke mid way
in 1/2” CR1018 steel bar. yes, i did drill 27/64” hole with the
drill that came with the tap. just curious, folks with metal
knowhow, can you tell if this break shows a manufacturing
defect?
i
am sure they will send me a replacement tap but i am just
wondering if i should return the set or both sets because i am
not sure of the quality any more.
Imran
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I try to stay larger than 1/4" when hand tapping and use a Procunier or tapmatic whenever possible.? Hand tapping is turn about 1/4-1/2 turn and back off.? If you are tapping #4-40, buy a million taps and be ready to be frustrated.? I have a lot of English
machines and my Whitworth sets have three taps per size.? Start with the undersized one and move up as needed.? Downside is they are made in India and I've never found much in precision in tooling from there.? Dave
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I learned a lot too. ?Thanks for sharing. ?I ordered a guide as suggested. ?
On Dec 14, 2020, at 1:08 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Thanks Alex for the tips. I would like to share that Accusize was very accommodating. Spoke with a live body and a replacement tap is on the way. I have learned a lot from this thread in technique and methods and hope to do better in future taping
endeavors ?
Imran
On Dec 14, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Alex Bowlds <aabj@...> wrote:
?Hi Imran,
I don’t see any clear indication of defect. ?I assume you are using a cutting fluid and hand operating the tap. ?I.E., the tap is not mounted in a hand drill, or drill press. Like you, I have broken plenty of taps of varying quality over the years. ?It
is quite easy to break a tap when operating by hand. ?Minor misalignment will allow the tap to bind more as it cuts through the the metal. ?To minimize risk of breakage, one needs to back it out frequently to clear the chips, and then move forward again with
plenty of lubrication. ?I’m sure you already know all these tips, but I mention them just in case.
If I use a tap mounted in a hand held drill, I set the clutch and reverse it when the clutch activates to clear the chips, then forward again. ?I’ve had poor luck when using taps mounted in the drill press.
Good luck,
Alex
On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:56 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?is anyone familiar with accusize industrial tools? it is a canadian co out of toronto. i recently purchased two tap & drill sets metric and SAE. i went with them because they offered HSS at reasonable price.
i used the 1/2-13 tap first time today and it broke mid way in 1/2” CR1018 steel bar. yes, i did drill 27/64” hole with the drill that came with the tap. just curious, folks with metal knowhow, can you tell if this break shows a manufacturing defect?
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i am sure they will send me a replacement tap but i am just wondering if i should return the set or both sets because i am not sure of the quality any more.
Imran
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Re: any one know this roofing?
It will be thatch, which is done with reeds. Norfolk in the UK used to be reputed as the best thatch available in the UK. Put on by a "Thatcher" which is a dying art but still pretty strong in the UK. Thatchers would usually leave their trademark on any job they done which in a lot of cases would be a small bird or animal made out of thatch and left somewhere on the roof.
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I learned a lot too. ?Thanks for sharing. ?I ordered a guide as suggested. ?
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On Dec 14, 2020, at 1:08 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Thanks Alex for the tips. I would like to share that Accusize was very accommodating. Spoke with a live body and a replacement tap is on the way. I have learned a lot from this thread in technique and methods and hope to do better in future taping endeavors ?
Imran On Dec 14, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Alex Bowlds <aabj@...> wrote: ? Hi Imran,
I don’t see any clear indication of defect. ?I assume you are using a cutting fluid and hand operating the tap. ?I.E., the tap is not mounted in a hand drill, or drill press. Like you, I have broken plenty of taps of varying quality over the years. ?It is quite easy to break a tap when operating by hand. ?Minor misalignment will allow the tap to bind more as it cuts through the the metal. ?To minimize risk of breakage, one needs to back it out frequently to clear the chips, and then move forward again with plenty of lubrication. ?I’m sure you already know all these tips, but I mention them just in case.
If I use a tap mounted in a hand held drill, I set the clutch and reverse it when the clutch activates to clear the chips, then forward again. ?I’ve had poor luck when using taps mounted in the drill press.
Good luck,
Alex On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:56 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? is anyone familiar with accusize industrial tools? it is a canadian co out of toronto. i recently purchased two tap & drill sets metric and SAE. i went with them because they offered HSS at reasonable price.
i used the 1/2-13 tap first time today and it broke mid way in 1/2” CR1018 steel bar. yes, i did drill 27/64” hole with the drill that came with the tap. just curious, folks with metal knowhow, can you tell if this break shows a manufacturing defect?
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i am sure they will send me a replacement tap but i am just wondering if i should return the set or both sets because i am not sure of the quality any more.
Imran
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Re: any one know this roofing?
Up close it looks like corduroy I don't see thatching
Here is a link to the original
On 12/14/20 2:34 PM, Michael Marsico
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Looks like a thatched roof
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What is the
roofing material in this presumably? English ( rather
baroque)? cottage
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What is the
roofing material in this presumably? English ( rather baroque)?
cottage
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Thanks Alex for the tips. I would like to share that Accusize was very accommodating. Spoke with a live body and a replacement tap is on the way. I have learned a lot from this thread in technique and methods and hope to do better in future taping endeavors ?
Imran
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On Dec 14, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Alex Bowlds <aabj@...> wrote: ? Hi Imran,
I don’t see any clear indication of defect. ?I assume you are using a cutting fluid and hand operating the tap. ?I.E., the tap is not mounted in a hand drill, or drill press. Like you, I have broken plenty of taps of varying quality over the years. ?It is quite easy to break a tap when operating by hand. ?Minor misalignment will allow the tap to bind more as it cuts through the the metal. ?To minimize risk of breakage, one needs to back it out frequently to clear the chips, and then move forward again with plenty of lubrication. ?I’m sure you already know all these tips, but I mention them just in case.
If I use a tap mounted in a hand held drill, I set the clutch and reverse it when the clutch activates to clear the chips, then forward again. ?I’ve had poor luck when using taps mounted in the drill press.
Good luck,
Alex On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:56 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? is anyone familiar with accusize industrial tools? it is a canadian co out of toronto. i recently purchased two tap & drill sets metric and SAE. i went with them because they offered HSS at reasonable price.
i used the 1/2-13 tap first time today and it broke mid way in 1/2” CR1018 steel bar. yes, i did drill 27/64” hole with the drill that came with the tap. just curious, folks with metal knowhow, can you tell if this break shows a manufacturing defect?
<image0.jpeg> <image1.jpeg> <image2.jpeg>
i am sure they will send me a replacement tap but i am just wondering if i should return the set or both sets because i am not sure of the quality any more.
Imran
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Hi Imran,
I don’t see any clear indication of defect. ?I assume you are using a cutting fluid and hand operating the tap. ?I.E., the tap is not mounted in a hand drill, or drill press. Like you, I have broken plenty of taps of varying quality over the years. ?It is quite easy to break a tap when operating by hand. ?Minor misalignment will allow the tap to bind more as it cuts through the the metal. ?To minimize risk of breakage, one needs to back it out frequently to clear the chips, and then move forward again with plenty of lubrication. ?I’m sure you already know all these tips, but I mention them just in case.
If I use a tap mounted in a hand held drill, I set the clutch and reverse it when the clutch activates to clear the chips, then forward again. ?I’ve had poor luck when using taps mounted in the drill press.
Good luck,
Alex
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On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:56 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? is anyone familiar with accusize industrial tools? it is a canadian co out of toronto. i recently purchased two tap & drill sets metric and SAE. i went with them because they offered HSS at reasonable price.
i used the 1/2-13 tap first time today and it broke mid way in 1/2” CR1018 steel bar. yes, i did drill 27/64” hole with the drill that came with the tap. just curious, folks with metal knowhow, can you tell if this break shows a manufacturing defect?
<image0.jpeg> <image1.jpeg> <image2.jpeg>
i am sure they will send me a replacement tap but i am just wondering if i should return the set or both sets because i am not sure of the quality any more.
Imran
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Re: a question about group list-serv emails
This is what it looks like for me Cliff.
Bill Bélanger
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:24 AM Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. < rohrabacher@...> wrote: ?? When I communicate? the list-serv identifies me as
"[email protected]"? removing my email from the? header.
It seems? not to be happening to any one else.
Am I the only person getting this or is it simply? that it's how it
appears when the emails are sent? back to the sender?
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a question about group list-serv emails
When I communicate? the list-serv identifies me as " [email protected]"? removing my email from the? header. It seems? not to be happening to any one else. Am I the only person getting this or is it simply? that it's how it appears when the emails are sent? back to the sender?
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Re: Sliding Table Saw Felder K700 S - Minnesota
I sold my 2000 CF731p with all accessories including big squeeze clamps for $4000.
It was in excellent condition. ?
I think $3 to $4k for that machine is high. ?It would not be worth it to have to fix things are find accessories on a machine that old. ?A newer x-roll machine would be a better value.
Joe
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On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
Pretty sure that was just a saw, not a saw/shaper. In that vintage with obvious signs of tons of use/abuse, I’d say more like $3000-$4000. Look around on Craig’s List, Offerup and Facebook Marketplace, locally I have a lot to choose from:
for $10,500 asking
for $7500
for $3600
and there was an Altendorf F45, but it looks like it must have sold, think it was under $7k, might have been $5k.
Don't these usually list for close to $15k new? Even though this certainly isnt "mint condition" it might be a good deal.?
Does anyone know what the going price is from Felder? On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:27 AM Chris Perren < cperren@...> wrote: I thought the same…? laughable. ? Chris ? ? "Mint condition, very nice"
I need to change the headline when I sold something online, like "better condition than new" :)
This looks like a crappy condition at a very high price to me.
Bill
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Re: Sliding Table Saw Felder K700 S - Minnesota
The Holz Her is either made by Altendorf or uses their design.? Looks like a good price on the Altenburg too.? Large three phase machines are the best deal used if you can handle the amps and the three phase.? Often they are priced low enough to price in the
RPC and $1500 for parts.? I always assume a minimum of $1500 for replacement or motor work on sliding saws.? Dave
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Pretty sure that was just a saw, not a saw/shaper. In that vintage with obvious signs of tons of use/abuse, I’d say more like $3000-$4000. Look around on Craig’s List, Offerup and Facebook Marketplace, locally I have
a lot to choose from:
for $10,500 asking
for $7500
for $3600
and there was an Altendorf F45, but it looks like it must have sold, think it was under $7k, might have been $5k.
Don't these usually list for close to $15k new? Even though this certainly isnt "mint condition" it might be a good deal.?
Does anyone know what the going price is from Felder?
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:27 AM Chris Perren < cperren@...> wrote:
I thought the same…? laughable.
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Chris
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"Mint condition, very nice"
I need to change the headline when I sold something online, like "better condition than new" :)
This looks like a crappy condition at a very high price to me.
Bill
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Re: Sliding Table Saw Felder K700 S - Minnesota
"Made in Italy"
New special Felder...
PK
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Re: Sliding Table Saw Felder K700 S - Minnesota
Bill,
no offense taken and usually one has to work very hard and long to offend me. just shared my rationale for sharing despite high price and condition. i do not mind offering appropriate price and leave it to the seller to accept or not.
Imran
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On Dec 14, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote: ?On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 09:53 AM, imranindiana wrote:
Attached pic is when I was calibrating slider
Looks very nice, I was not judging your post or anything like that, just the guy or lady ebay post. As others said, for this asking price they should have clean the saw before taking some pictures. I am not an ebay buyer, so it might be my unconscious biases at play :). Bill
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I found the Altendorf....
Cheaper than I thought, $4500…
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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Re: Sliding Table Saw Felder K700 S - Minnesota
good eye Jason. i had to go back and look.
imran
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On Dec 14, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote: ? I'd guess $5-6k tops. It looks pretty best up, and given the units of plywood sitting near it I would guess it was used hard. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Sliding Table Saw Felder K700 S - Minnesota
Cliff, ? I always clean an item if I am selling or giving away. I have wondered why some don’t bother. The only thing I can think of is that the seller may consider it is best to show as is to best access how it was used. Or they may be lazy, LOL. ? Imran ?
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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 10:51 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Sliding Table Saw Felder K700 S - Minnesota ? for 8 Gees? you'd think they would have taken? more images and? cleaned it up a little On 12/14/20 10:03 AM, imranindiana via groups.io wrote:
Look at this on eBay
Imran?
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Re: Sliding Table Saw Felder K700 S - Minnesota
Brian, ? I kindof replied with similar thought. Also, if it is hard to find a machine locally then one may consider a less than ideal machine to save $1K in shipping. Crating is on top of that. Lots of things to consider. To each his own. ? Imran ?
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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Brian Turner Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 10:36 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Sliding Table Saw Felder K700 S - Minnesota ? Don't these usually list for close to $15k new? Even though this certainly isnt "mint condition" it might be a good deal.? Does anyone know what the going price is from Felder? ? On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:27 AM Chris Perren <cperren@...> wrote: I thought the same…? laughable. ? Chris ? ? "Mint condition, very nice"
I need to change the headline when I sold something online, like "better condition than new" :)
This looks like a crappy condition at a very high price to me.
Bill
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Re: Sliding Table Saw Felder K700 S - Minnesota
I'd guess $5-6k tops. It looks pretty best up, and given the units of plywood sitting near it I would guess it was used hard. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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imran
Bill Belanger
PK
Jason Holtz