Re: dust collection question
I would really like to see what it takes to produce 3100 cubic meters/sec. Big LOL.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "imranindiana via groups.io" <imranindiana@...> Date: 2020-08-17 11:43 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] dust collection question
this has been a point of interest for my nerd self. when i saw the AF22 spec (which BTW is 3100cubicm/s) it made me think diesel vs gasoline engines as a very loose comparison. high torque of diesel moves weight more efficiently than a gasoline engine. same HP diesel engine can have twice the torque. so just talking out loud.
i am trying to find torque vs current plots of 3ph and 1ph motors to see if i learn something.
imran
On Aug 17, 2020, at 11:06 AM, jmkserv@... wrote:
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Also Felder has proven over the years their actual specs listed in catalogs are up for debate as far air flow goes. Many misprint. Austria being a metric country calculate in Cubic Meters per minute which sometimes gets confusing for those accustomed to Cubic Feet per minute.?
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3hp is 3hp, doesn¡¯t matter if it¡¯s a single or three phase motor. If the specs say the same CFM is accomplished, then the specs are most likely wrong, or they are using the same exact impeller and housing and the 4hp motor is essentially over kill for the application. Don¡¯t forget, Felder uses the S1 and S6 motor specifications, so hp is a relative term depending upon the rating of the motor¡. the S1 3hp motor is the same as a S6 4hp motor. It is a marketing gimmick.
when i look up AF 22 on eshop there is something interesting. 3HP, 3ph moves same amount of air as 4HP, 1ph unit. anyone know if these specifications are correct?
i am interested in understanding if 3ph motor has advantage over 1ph. this might be a good example possibly showing (or not) that the higher torque of 3ph can do more actual work under load than a 1ph motor both pulling same current.
imran? ?I have an AF 22 for sale.? It can be wall mounted up out of the way and use just on bag to save space.
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Re: dust collection question
The whole European S ratings are a gimmick for marketing, but they can sell a motor that¡¯s S6 on the saw because saws are very rarely running at full load unless it was some automated rip saw that was being power fed continuously. Dust collectors and compressors run at full load all the time, so they get S1 motors.
Here in the US, we rate motors at HP and then give them a duty rating. A 4hp 100% duty rating motor will put out 4hp continuous without overheating and toasting the windings. If you have an occasionally intermittent overload, you might want to spec a 4hp motor with a 135% duty rating, which means it can effectively run at 35% over 4hp continuously without toasting the windings. It¡¯s all about heat dissipation without breaking down the insulation on the windings.
It¡¯s kind of a six of one, half dozen of the other way of looking at things. It just seems a little more upfront with the US ratings because your motor will never be less than the stated hp regardless of the duty rating, where the European standard allows them to call a motor 5hp but you can only fun it at that 60% of the time and it¡¯s actually only a 4hp continuous motor.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Aug 17, 2020, at 8:41 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Brian,
¡°the S1 3hp motor is the same as a S6 4hp motor¡±
i have read this before. i believe this means that a 4hp motor can be sold as s6 or as derated 3hp-s1.
i can see the 3hp-s1 derating work in an application like a compressor where the manufacturer knows that load will not exceed 3hp but how does it work when load is user controlled and in many cases impossible to know, e.g. sawing.
maybe, the derating of motors is only done in applications with known load. i would think dust collector is such application. max load of unrestricted operation is hard to exceed.
just thinking.
imran
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Re: dust collection question
this has been a point of interest for my nerd self. when i saw the AF22 spec (which BTW is 3100cubicm/s) it made me think diesel vs gasoline engines as a very loose comparison. high torque of diesel moves weight more efficiently than a gasoline engine. same HP diesel engine can have twice the torque. so just talking out loud.
i am trying to find torque vs current plots of 3ph and 1ph motors to see if i learn something.
imran
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On Aug 17, 2020, at 11:06 AM, jmkserv@... wrote: ?
Also Felder has proven over the years their actual specs listed in catalogs are up for debate as far air flow goes. Many misprint. Austria being a metric country calculate in Cubic Meters per minute which sometimes gets confusing for those accustomed to Cubic Feet per minute.?
-------- Original message -------- From: Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> Date: 2020-08-17 10:49 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] dust collection question
3hp is 3hp, doesn¡¯t matter if it¡¯s a single or three phase motor. If the specs say the same CFM is accomplished, then the specs are most likely wrong, or they are using the same exact impeller and housing and the 4hp motor is essentially over kill for the application. Don¡¯t forget, Felder uses the S1 and S6 motor specifications, so hp is a relative term depending upon the rating of the motor¡. the S1 3hp motor is the same as a S6 4hp motor. It is a marketing gimmick.
when i look up AF 22 on eshop there is something interesting. 3HP, 3ph moves same amount of air as 4HP, 1ph unit. anyone know if these specifications are correct?
i am interested in understanding if 3ph motor has advantage over 1ph. this might be a good example possibly showing (or not) that the higher torque of 3ph can do more actual work under load than a 1ph motor both pulling same current.
imran? ?I have an AF 22 for sale.? It can be wall mounted up out of the way and use just on bag to save space.
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Re: dust collection question
Brian,
¡°the S1 3hp motor is the same as a S6 4hp motor¡±
i have read this before. i believe this means that a 4hp motor can be sold as s6 or as derated 3hp-s1.
i can see the 3hp-s1 derating work in an application like a compressor where the manufacturer knows that load will not exceed 3hp but how does it work when load is user controlled and in many cases impossible to know, e.g. sawing.
maybe, the derating of motors is only done in applications with known load. i would think dust collector is such application. max load of unrestricted operation is hard to exceed.
just thinking.
imran?
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On Aug 17, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? 3hp is 3hp, doesn¡¯t matter if it¡¯s a single or three phase motor. If the specs say the same CFM is accomplished, then the specs are most likely wrong, or they are using the same exact impeller and housing and the 4hp motor is essentially over kill for the application. Don¡¯t forget, Felder uses the S1 and S6 motor specifications, so hp is a relative term depending upon the rating of the motor¡. the S1 3hp motor is the same as a S6 4hp motor. It is a marketing gimmick.
when i look up AF 22 on eshop there is something interesting. 3HP, 3ph moves same amount of air as 4HP, 1ph unit. anyone know if these specifications are correct?
i am interested in understanding if 3ph motor has advantage over 1ph. this might be a good example possibly showing (or not) that the higher torque of 3ph can do more actual work under load than a 1ph motor both pulling same current.
imran? ?I have an AF 22 for sale.? It can be wall mounted up out of the way and use just on bag to save space.
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Re: dust collection question
Also Felder has proven over the years their actual specs listed in catalogs are up for debate as far air flow goes. Many misprint. Austria being a metric country calculate in Cubic Meters per minute which sometimes gets confusing for those accustomed to Cubic Feet per minute.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> Date: 2020-08-17 10:49 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] dust collection question
3hp is 3hp, doesn¡¯t matter if it¡¯s a single or three phase motor. If the specs say the same CFM is accomplished, then the specs are most likely wrong, or they are using the same exact impeller and housing and the 4hp motor is essentially over kill for the application. Don¡¯t forget, Felder uses the S1 and S6 motor specifications, so hp is a relative term depending upon the rating of the motor¡. the S1 3hp motor is the same as a S6 4hp motor. It is a marketing gimmick.
when i look up AF 22 on eshop there is something interesting. 3HP, 3ph moves same amount of air as 4HP, 1ph unit. anyone know if these specifications are correct?
i am interested in understanding if 3ph motor has advantage over 1ph. this might be a good example possibly showing (or not) that the higher torque of 3ph can do more actual work under load than a 1ph motor both pulling same current.
imran? ?I have an AF 22 for sale.? It can be wall mounted up out of the way and use just on bag to save space.
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Re: dust collection question
3hp is 3hp, doesn¡¯t matter if it¡¯s a single or three phase motor. If the specs say the same CFM is accomplished, then the specs are most likely wrong, or they are using the same exact impeller and housing and the 4hp motor is essentially over kill for the application. Don¡¯t forget, Felder uses the S1 and S6 motor specifications, so hp is a relative term depending upon the rating of the motor¡. the S1 3hp motor is the same as a S6 4hp motor. It is a marketing gimmick.
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when i look up AF 22 on eshop there is something interesting. 3HP, 3ph moves same amount of air as 4HP, 1ph unit. anyone know if these specifications are correct?
i am interested in understanding if 3ph motor has advantage over 1ph. this might be a good example possibly showing (or not) that the higher torque of 3ph can do more actual work under load than a 1ph motor both pulling same current.
imran? ?I have an AF 22 for sale.? It can be wall mounted up out of the way and use just on bag to save space.
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Re: dust collection question
when i look up AF 22 on eshop there is something interesting. 3HP, 3ph moves same amount of air as 4HP, 1ph unit. anyone know if these specifications are correct?
i am interested in understanding if 3ph motor has advantage over 1ph. this might be a good example possibly showing (or not) that the higher torque of 3ph can do more actual work under load than a 1ph motor both pulling same current.
imran?
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On Aug 17, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote: ?I have an AF 22 for sale.? It can be wall mounted up out of the way and use just on bag to save space.
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I have an AF 22 for sale.? It can be wall mounted up out of the way and use just on bag to save space.
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Re: Dual51 outfeed roller
Always clean and use a good wax on the tables as well.? that really helps the boards slide along smoothly.. I use Briwax - clear or renaissance wax..?
On Sunday, August 16, 2020, 06:56:31 PM PDT, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
well i got impatient and used bit cleaner. covered planer table and used cardboard behind roller so that cleaner does not go any where else. cut the tooth brush bristles to less than half to stiffen them and to contain cleaner. the area where the boards were getting stuck was the worst. the front half was like 10% dirty compared to the back half. i removed bit cleaner off the roller with a mild detergent. roller looks new. you have to run the planer to turn the roller to expose unclean portion. the emergency stop located at outfeed is helpful to stop the planer/roller where you want it.
same boards that were sticking yesterday and i had to pull them out from outfeed went just fine.
so if you have feed issues and the tables are fine may take a look at your outfeed roller, especially if you use resinous woods.
imran
On Aug 16, 2020, at 7:45 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
?last night i had difficulty feeding boards using the back half of the planer but no issues with feeding in the front half. the table is similarly clean.
infeed roller looks good but the outfeed (steel) roller can stand to be cleaned. is a bit/blade cleaner okay for this?
i tend to use front half for jointing and back half for planing thinking i am using all of the knives length. although, planning is usually a lot more than jointing.
anyhow, i used a lot of cypress last year and the back half of the outfeed roller is not as shiny as the front half. i am assuming it might have resin build up from pushing freshly cut cypress.
thanks,
imran
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Re: Wire and breaker size for 7.5HP 3 Phase Felder Shaper - NEC Code compliant
The "Prime" search returns a different model, the Q0330CP:
The "CP" suffix is the Canadian-certified version.? The QO330 is the true, all-American version.?
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Re: Wire and breaker size for 7.5HP 3 Phase Felder Shaper - NEC Code compliant
I had ¡°prime¡± selected and the same breaker on Prime is $105.?? On Zoro it¡¯s $115, and one Automation Direct $90.? I can wait an extra week to save
$50.
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btw, what kind of panel do you have?? ?$100 for a breaker seems like a lot.? ? If you have SquareD, a 30amp 3P is $50 new on amazon:
There's also a zillion breakers new and used on eBay and you can get this breaker for $20 there.
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well i got impatient and used bit cleaner. covered planer table and used cardboard behind roller so that cleaner does not go any where else. cut the tooth brush bristles to less than half to stiffen them and to contain cleaner. the area where the boards were getting stuck was the worst. the front half was like 10% dirty compared to the back half. i removed bit cleaner off the roller with a mild detergent. roller looks new. you have to run the planer to turn the roller to expose unclean portion. the emergency stop located at outfeed is helpful to stop the planer/roller where you want it.
same boards that were sticking yesterday and i had to pull them out from outfeed went just fine.
so if you have feed issues and the tables are fine may take a look at your outfeed roller, especially if you use resinous woods.
imran
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On Aug 16, 2020, at 7:45 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?last night i had difficulty feeding boards using the back half of the planer but no issues with feeding in the front half. the table is similarly clean.
infeed roller looks good but the outfeed (steel) roller can stand to be cleaned. is a bit/blade cleaner okay for this?
i tend to use front half for jointing and back half for planing thinking i am using all of the knives length. although, planning is usually a lot more than jointing.
anyhow, i used a lot of cypress last year and the back half of the outfeed roller is not as shiny as the front half. i am assuming it might have resin build up from pushing freshly cut cypress.
thanks,
imran
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Re: Looking for a used J/P with spiral cutter
I¡¯m sure you are correct and if was in production it would be a consideration. I doubt I¡¯ll ever turn the cutters on my cutter block during my time of ownership. ? I never did on my last jointer or planers that I owned for 8 years.
Bill Belanger?
On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 8:22 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Bill,
i am not an expert but using slow speed all the times, for example fir ?rough planing, can dull your knives prematurely. i would like someone to correct me if this is not true. no one has told me this but i am applying what i have learned about shaper tooling.
imran On Aug 16, 2020, at 8:16 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? My 941 has 2 speeds.? I¡¯m never in a rush so slow is fine for me.
Bill Belanger? Bill I don't know if the new AD941 has variable speed planing but it sure is a nice option on the AD951. I was also lucky to acquire?a jointing fence from a Dual51 which allows the use of F rail tables at both ends of the machine.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 8:04 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: Thanks David, that¡¯s exactly what I was talking about. I have the power drive. The lower ¡°home¡± position should be a standard position. Raising the table to a specific number is fine. So I can do that on the 951 digi drive but not the 941 power drive, hmmm...? bummer?
Bill Belanger?
If you buy an AD951 or Dual51, they can be equipped with digi-drive.? With that option you can command the planer table to fully lower (or go to any other absolute position) and ¡°presto¡±. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
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Imran, in order to switch from jointer to planer the planer table must be lowered to allow the dust hood to flip. I have to push and hold the down button until it¡¯s low enough. A minor inconvenience I know, but it seems to me that it should be simple enough for a designer to accomplish?a one touch button for the table to lower enough to accomplish this.
I¡¯ll check on the price of the 51.
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 7:26 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Bill,
not following, ¡°?I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top¡±
when the jointer tables are lifted the planet table is already lowered. do you mean a single button to lower the planer table so that jointer tables can be brought down.
i would not be surprised if there are internal improvements but the tables are super easy to lift and once beyond a distance you can leave them in air and would not fall.
if you do a lot of glue ups it is nice to flatten wider panels. Maybe look into the used dual51 felder has and sell yours to michael¡¯s friend.
imran On Aug 16, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Ok, so no urgent reason to try to swap my 941 for the 51 sounds like. The 16¡± table is plenty big enough for me. I was just wondering if there might be other convenience features. I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top. Reading some of the Felder advertising it almost sounds like the Dual51 table lifts itself?? It seems I remember David Best saying something about the 941 tables not remaining coplanar?
Bill Belanger ? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 6:30 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i am not sure if there are internal mechanical differences but the biggest obvious one between dual51 and ad951 is the fence. i am only familiar with dual51 and the fence is stout.
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Are there other reasons to get the Dual 51 over the AD941 other than the larger size? My salesperson never told me about anything other than the ?741 and AD941 when I said I wanted a jointer planer combo. Should¡¯ve done my homework I guess...
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 4:18 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: michael,
felder has a used 2019 dual51:
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:08 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ? michael,
i only see separates on ebay from same seller:
imran? ?A friend of mine, who got me into Felders, has an oooold J/P with no electric lift, straight blades and worn out drive wheels.
I suggest he try to find a used 741 or 941 with spiral cutter head.? Any body know of one for sale? Thanks, Mike Ward
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Re: Looking for a used J/P with spiral cutter
Typically it can depend on type of cut. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for?quality of cut especially as knives get duller. I know when I take 20" wide, 1/16"+ cut deep planing cut on a piece of white oak its sure nice to have the lowest feed setting of 16'/min on my AD951. It would also be nice to have 10 HP when doing that cut.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 8:22 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Bill,
i am not an expert but using slow speed all the times, for example fir ?rough planing, can dull your knives prematurely. i would like someone to correct me if this is not true. no one has told me this but i am applying what i have learned about shaper tooling.
imran On Aug 16, 2020, at 8:16 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? My 941 has 2 speeds.? I¡¯m never in a rush so slow is fine for me.
Bill Belanger? Bill I don't know if the new AD941 has variable speed planing but it sure is a nice option on the AD951. I was also lucky to acquire?a jointing fence from a Dual51 which allows the use of F rail tables at both ends of the machine.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 8:04 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: Thanks David, that¡¯s exactly what I was talking about. I have the power drive. The lower ¡°home¡± position should be a standard position. Raising the table to a specific number is fine. So I can do that on the 951 digi drive but not the 941 power drive, hmmm...? bummer?
Bill Belanger?
If you buy an AD951 or Dual51, they can be equipped with digi-drive.? With that option you can command the planer table to fully lower (or go to any other absolute position) and ¡°presto¡±. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
?
Imran, in order to switch from jointer to planer the planer table must be lowered to allow the dust hood to flip. I have to push and hold the down button until it¡¯s low enough. A minor inconvenience I know, but it seems to me that it should be simple enough for a designer to accomplish?a one touch button for the table to lower enough to accomplish this.
I¡¯ll check on the price of the 51.
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 7:26 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Bill,
not following, ¡°?I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top¡±
when the jointer tables are lifted the planet table is already lowered. do you mean a single button to lower the planer table so that jointer tables can be brought down.
i would not be surprised if there are internal improvements but the tables are super easy to lift and once beyond a distance you can leave them in air and would not fall.
if you do a lot of glue ups it is nice to flatten wider panels. Maybe look into the used dual51 felder has and sell yours to michael¡¯s friend.
imran On Aug 16, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Ok, so no urgent reason to try to swap my 941 for the 51 sounds like. The 16¡± table is plenty big enough for me. I was just wondering if there might be other convenience features. I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top. Reading some of the Felder advertising it almost sounds like the Dual51 table lifts itself?? It seems I remember David Best saying something about the 941 tables not remaining coplanar?
Bill Belanger ? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 6:30 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i am not sure if there are internal mechanical differences but the biggest obvious one between dual51 and ad951 is the fence. i am only familiar with dual51 and the fence is stout.
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Are there other reasons to get the Dual 51 over the AD941 other than the larger size? My salesperson never told me about anything other than the ?741 and AD941 when I said I wanted a jointer planer combo. Should¡¯ve done my homework I guess...
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 4:18 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: michael,
felder has a used 2019 dual51:
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:08 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ? michael,
i only see separates on ebay from same seller:
imran? ?A friend of mine, who got me into Felders, has an oooold J/P with no electric lift, straight blades and worn out drive wheels.
I suggest he try to find a used 741 or 941 with spiral cutter head.? Any body know of one for sale? Thanks, Mike Ward
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Re: Looking for a used J/P with spiral cutter
Bill,
i am not an expert but using slow speed all the times, for example fir ?rough planing, can dull your knives prematurely. i would like someone to correct me if this is not true. no one has told me this but i am applying what i have learned about shaper tooling.
imran
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On Aug 16, 2020, at 8:16 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? My 941 has 2 speeds.? I¡¯m never in a rush so slow is fine for me.
Bill Belanger? Bill I don't know if the new AD941 has variable speed planing but it sure is a nice option on the AD951. I was also lucky to acquire?a jointing fence from a Dual51 which allows the use of F rail tables at both ends of the machine.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 8:04 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: Thanks David, that¡¯s exactly what I was talking about. I have the power drive. The lower ¡°home¡± position should be a standard position. Raising the table to a specific number is fine. So I can do that on the 951 digi drive but not the 941 power drive, hmmm...? bummer?
Bill Belanger?
If you buy an AD951 or Dual51, they can be equipped with digi-drive.? With that option you can command the planer table to fully lower (or go to any other absolute position) and ¡°presto¡±. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
?
Imran, in order to switch from jointer to planer the planer table must be lowered to allow the dust hood to flip. I have to push and hold the down button until it¡¯s low enough. A minor inconvenience I know, but it seems to me that it should be simple enough for a designer to accomplish?a one touch button for the table to lower enough to accomplish this.
I¡¯ll check on the price of the 51.
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 7:26 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Bill,
not following, ¡°?I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top¡±
when the jointer tables are lifted the planet table is already lowered. do you mean a single button to lower the planer table so that jointer tables can be brought down.
i would not be surprised if there are internal improvements but the tables are super easy to lift and once beyond a distance you can leave them in air and would not fall.
if you do a lot of glue ups it is nice to flatten wider panels. Maybe look into the used dual51 felder has and sell yours to michael¡¯s friend.
imran On Aug 16, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Ok, so no urgent reason to try to swap my 941 for the 51 sounds like. The 16¡± table is plenty big enough for me. I was just wondering if there might be other convenience features. I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top. Reading some of the Felder advertising it almost sounds like the Dual51 table lifts itself?? It seems I remember David Best saying something about the 941 tables not remaining coplanar?
Bill Belanger ? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 6:30 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i am not sure if there are internal mechanical differences but the biggest obvious one between dual51 and ad951 is the fence. i am only familiar with dual51 and the fence is stout.
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Are there other reasons to get the Dual 51 over the AD941 other than the larger size? My salesperson never told me about anything other than the ?741 and AD941 when I said I wanted a jointer planer combo. Should¡¯ve done my homework I guess...
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 4:18 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: michael,
felder has a used 2019 dual51:
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:08 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ? michael,
i only see separates on ebay from same seller:
imran? ?A friend of mine, who got me into Felders, has an oooold J/P with no electric lift, straight blades and worn out drive wheels.
I suggest he try to find a used 741 or 941 with spiral cutter head.? Any body know of one for sale? Thanks, Mike Ward
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Re: Looking for a used J/P with spiral cutter
My 941 has 2 speeds.? I¡¯m never in a rush so slow is fine for me.
Bill Belanger?
Bill I don't know if the new AD941 has variable speed planing but it sure is a nice option on the AD951. I was also lucky to acquire?a jointing fence from a Dual51 which allows the use of F rail tables at both ends of the machine.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 8:04 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: Thanks David, that¡¯s exactly what I was talking about. I have the power drive. The lower ¡°home¡± position should be a standard position. Raising the table to a specific number is fine. So I can do that on the 951 digi drive but not the 941 power drive, hmmm...? bummer?
Bill Belanger?
If you buy an AD951 or Dual51, they can be equipped with digi-drive.? With that option you can command the planer table to fully lower (or go to any other absolute position) and ¡°presto¡±. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
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Imran, in order to switch from jointer to planer the planer table must be lowered to allow the dust hood to flip. I have to push and hold the down button until it¡¯s low enough. A minor inconvenience I know, but it seems to me that it should be simple enough for a designer to accomplish?a one touch button for the table to lower enough to accomplish this.
I¡¯ll check on the price of the 51.
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 7:26 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Bill,
not following, ¡°?I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top¡±
when the jointer tables are lifted the planet table is already lowered. do you mean a single button to lower the planer table so that jointer tables can be brought down.
i would not be surprised if there are internal improvements but the tables are super easy to lift and once beyond a distance you can leave them in air and would not fall.
if you do a lot of glue ups it is nice to flatten wider panels. Maybe look into the used dual51 felder has and sell yours to michael¡¯s friend.
imran On Aug 16, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Ok, so no urgent reason to try to swap my 941 for the 51 sounds like. The 16¡± table is plenty big enough for me. I was just wondering if there might be other convenience features. I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top. Reading some of the Felder advertising it almost sounds like the Dual51 table lifts itself?? It seems I remember David Best saying something about the 941 tables not remaining coplanar?
Bill Belanger ? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 6:30 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i am not sure if there are internal mechanical differences but the biggest obvious one between dual51 and ad951 is the fence. i am only familiar with dual51 and the fence is stout.
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Are there other reasons to get the Dual 51 over the AD941 other than the larger size? My salesperson never told me about anything other than the ?741 and AD941 when I said I wanted a jointer planer combo. Should¡¯ve done my homework I guess...
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 4:18 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: michael,
felder has a used 2019 dual51:
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:08 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ? michael,
i only see separates on ebay from same seller:
imran? ?A friend of mine, who got me into Felders, has an oooold J/P with no electric lift, straight blades and worn out drive wheels.
I suggest he try to find a used 741 or 941 with spiral cutter head.? Any body know of one for sale? Thanks, Mike Ward
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Re: Looking for a used J/P with spiral cutter
Bill I don't know if the new AD941 has variable speed planing but it sure is a nice option on the AD951. I was also lucky to acquire?a jointing fence from a Dual51 which allows the use of F rail tables at both ends of the machine.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 8:04 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: Thanks David, that¡¯s exactly what I was talking about. I have the power drive. The lower ¡°home¡± position should be a standard position. Raising the table to a specific number is fine. So I can do that on the 951 digi drive but not the 941 power drive, hmmm...? bummer?
Bill Belanger?
If you buy an AD951 or Dual51, they can be equipped with digi-drive.? With that option you can command the planer table to fully lower (or go to any other absolute position) and ¡°presto¡±. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
?
Imran, in order to switch from jointer to planer the planer table must be lowered to allow the dust hood to flip. I have to push and hold the down button until it¡¯s low enough. A minor inconvenience I know, but it seems to me that it should be simple enough for a designer to accomplish?a one touch button for the table to lower enough to accomplish this.
I¡¯ll check on the price of the 51.
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 7:26 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Bill,
not following, ¡°?I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top¡±
when the jointer tables are lifted the planet table is already lowered. do you mean a single button to lower the planer table so that jointer tables can be brought down.
i would not be surprised if there are internal improvements but the tables are super easy to lift and once beyond a distance you can leave them in air and would not fall.
if you do a lot of glue ups it is nice to flatten wider panels. Maybe look into the used dual51 felder has and sell yours to michael¡¯s friend.
imran On Aug 16, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Ok, so no urgent reason to try to swap my 941 for the 51 sounds like. The 16¡± table is plenty big enough for me. I was just wondering if there might be other convenience features. I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top. Reading some of the Felder advertising it almost sounds like the Dual51 table lifts itself?? It seems I remember David Best saying something about the 941 tables not remaining coplanar?
Bill Belanger ? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 6:30 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i am not sure if there are internal mechanical differences but the biggest obvious one between dual51 and ad951 is the fence. i am only familiar with dual51 and the fence is stout.
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Are there other reasons to get the Dual 51 over the AD941 other than the larger size? My salesperson never told me about anything other than the ?741 and AD941 when I said I wanted a jointer planer combo. Should¡¯ve done my homework I guess...
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 4:18 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: michael,
felder has a used 2019 dual51:
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:08 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ? michael,
i only see separates on ebay from same seller:
imran? ?A friend of mine, who got me into Felders, has an oooold J/P with no electric lift, straight blades and worn out drive wheels.
I suggest he try to find a used 741 or 941 with spiral cutter head.? Any body know of one for sale? Thanks, Mike Ward
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Re: Looking for a used J/P with spiral cutter
Thanks David, that¡¯s exactly what I was talking about. I have the power drive. The lower ¡°home¡± position should be a standard position. Raising the table to a specific number is fine. So I can do that on the 951 digi drive but not the 941 power drive, hmmm...? bummer?
Bill Belanger?
If you buy an AD951 or Dual51, they can be equipped with digi-drive.? With that option you can command the planer table to fully lower (or go to any other absolute position) and ¡°presto¡±. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
?
Imran, in order to switch from jointer to planer the planer table must be lowered to allow the dust hood to flip. I have to push and hold the down button until it¡¯s low enough. A minor inconvenience I know, but it seems to me that it should be simple enough for a designer to accomplish?a one touch button for the table to lower enough to accomplish this.
I¡¯ll check on the price of the 51.
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 7:26 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Bill,
not following, ¡°?I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top¡±
when the jointer tables are lifted the planet table is already lowered. do you mean a single button to lower the planer table so that jointer tables can be brought down.
i would not be surprised if there are internal improvements but the tables are super easy to lift and once beyond a distance you can leave them in air and would not fall.
if you do a lot of glue ups it is nice to flatten wider panels. Maybe look into the used dual51 felder has and sell yours to michael¡¯s friend.
imran On Aug 16, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Ok, so no urgent reason to try to swap my 941 for the 51 sounds like. The 16¡± table is plenty big enough for me. I was just wondering if there might be other convenience features. I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top. Reading some of the Felder advertising it almost sounds like the Dual51 table lifts itself?? It seems I remember David Best saying something about the 941 tables not remaining coplanar?
Bill Belanger ? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 6:30 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i am not sure if there are internal mechanical differences but the biggest obvious one between dual51 and ad951 is the fence. i am only familiar with dual51 and the fence is stout.
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Are there other reasons to get the Dual 51 over the AD941 other than the larger size? My salesperson never told me about anything other than the ?741 and AD941 when I said I wanted a jointer planer combo. Should¡¯ve done my homework I guess...
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 4:18 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: michael,
felder has a used 2019 dual51:
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:08 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ? michael,
i only see separates on ebay from same seller:
imran? ?A friend of mine, who got me into Felders, has an oooold J/P with no electric lift, straight blades and worn out drive wheels.
I suggest he try to find a used 741 or 941 with spiral cutter head.? Any body know of one for sale? Thanks, Mike Ward
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Re: Looking for a used J/P with spiral cutter
If you buy an AD951 or Dual51, they can be equipped with digi-drive. ?With that option you can command the planer table to fully lower (or go to any other absolute position) and ¡°presto¡±. ? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? Imran, in order to switch from jointer to planer the planer table must be lowered to allow the dust hood to flip. I have to push and hold the down button until it¡¯s low enough. A minor inconvenience I know, but it seems to me that it should be simple enough for a designer to accomplish?a one touch button for the table to lower enough to accomplish this.
I¡¯ll check on the price of the 51.
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 7:26 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Bill,
not following, ¡°?I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top¡±
when the jointer tables are lifted the planet table is already lowered. do you mean a single button to lower the planer table so that jointer tables can be brought down.
i would not be surprised if there are internal improvements but the tables are super easy to lift and once beyond a distance you can leave them in air and would not fall.
if you do a lot of glue ups it is nice to flatten wider panels. Maybe look into the used dual51 felder has and sell yours to michael¡¯s friend.
imran On Aug 16, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Ok, so no urgent reason to try to swap my 941 for the 51 sounds like. The 16¡± table is plenty big enough for me. I was just wondering if there might be other convenience features. I wish my 941 had a single button To lower the table enough to lift the top. Reading some of the Felder advertising it almost sounds like the Dual51 table lifts itself?? It seems I remember David Best saying something about the 941 tables not remaining coplanar?
Bill Belanger ? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 6:30 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i am not sure if there are internal mechanical differences but the biggest obvious one between dual51 and ad951 is the fence. i am only familiar with dual51 and the fence is stout.
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Are there other reasons to get the Dual 51 over the AD941 other than the larger size? My salesperson never told me about anything other than the ?741 and AD941 when I said I wanted a jointer planer combo. Should¡¯ve done my homework I guess...
Bill Belanger? On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 4:18 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: michael,
felder has a used 2019 dual51:
imran? On Aug 16, 2020, at 4:08 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: ? michael,
i only see separates on ebay from same seller:
imran? ?A friend of mine, who got me into Felders, has an oooold J/P with no electric lift, straight blades and worn out drive wheels.
I suggest he try to find a used 741 or 941 with spiral cutter head.? Any body know of one for sale? Thanks, Mike Ward
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last night i had difficulty feeding boards using the back half of the planer but no issues with feeding in the front half. the table is similarly clean.
infeed roller looks good but the outfeed (steel) roller can stand to be cleaned. is a bit/blade cleaner okay for this?
i tend to use front half for jointing and back half for planing thinking i am using all of the knives length. although, planning is usually a lot more than jointing.
anyhow, i used a lot of cypress last year and the back half of the outfeed roller is not as shiny as the front half. i am assuming it might have resin build up from pushing freshly cut cypress.
thanks,
imran
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