Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
No, crosscut fence only... you guys can make your own rip fence situation, there just isn’t enough money in it to inventory $400 worth of Fiama stuff to sell a $50 bracket (if I could even charge that much).
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Brian,
You mean the DRO you use on the xcut fence will work on the 500/700 rip fence or are you offering A kit/product for rip fences?
Imran On Jun 16, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: ? I was told by Felder that the K500’s ordered for the USA were supposed to have the same 72mm x 70mm fence extrusion as the 700 series. So if that is the case, our DRO will work on your rip fence.
On Jun 16, 2020, at 9:27 AM, Bill James via < xxrb2010@...> wrote:
Thanks a lot,
I believe I got it. With the fiama unit you just have to replace the measure scale on the rip guide with the magnetic strip from Fiama and find a way to attach their sensor on the rip fence housing with a L bracket as Brian mentioned.
I will contact the local Fiama distributor/seller and see what I will get.
I know that Brian has a DRO retrofit for K700 outrigger fence (large extrusion), does anyone know of some fiama units that can work the for a K500 outrigger (small extrusion) as a DRO?
Bill
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Brian,
You mean the DRO you use on the xcut fence will work on the 500/700 rip fence or are you offering A kit/product for rip fences?
Imran
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On Jun 16, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? I was told by Felder that the K500’s ordered for the USA were supposed to have the same 72mm x 70mm fence extrusion as the 700 series. So if that is the case, our DRO will work on your rip fence.
On Jun 16, 2020, at 9:27 AM, Bill James via < xxrb2010@...> wrote:
Thanks a lot,
I believe I got it. With the fiama unit you just have to replace the measure scale on the rip guide with the magnetic strip from Fiama and find a way to attach their sensor on the rip fence housing with a L bracket as Brian mentioned.
I will contact the local Fiama distributor/seller and see what I will get.
I know that Brian has a DRO retrofit for K700 outrigger fence (large extrusion), does anyone know of some fiama units that can work the for a K500 outrigger (small extrusion) as a DRO?
Bill
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
oops… crosscut fence, sorry, just got back from the dentist and head is pounding...
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On Jun 16, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
I was told by Felder that the K500’s ordered for the USA were supposed to have the same 72mm x 70mm fence extrusion as the 700 series. So if that is the case, our DRO will work on your rip fence.
On Jun 16, 2020, at 9:27 AM, Bill James via < xxrb2010@...> wrote:
Thanks a lot,
I believe I got it. With the fiama unit you just have to replace the measure scale on the rip guide with the magnetic strip from Fiama and find a way to attach their sensor on the rip fence housing with a L bracket as Brian mentioned.
I will contact the local Fiama distributor/seller and see what I will get.
I know that Brian has a DRO retrofit for K700 outrigger fence (large extrusion), does anyone know of some fiama units that can work the for a K500 outrigger (small extrusion) as a DRO?
Bill
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
I was told by Felder that the K500’s ordered for the USA were supposed to have the same 72mm x 70mm fence extrusion as the 700 series. So if that is the case, our DRO will work on your rip fence.
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On Jun 16, 2020, at 9:27 AM, Bill James via < xxrb2010@...> wrote:
Thanks a lot,
I believe I got it. With the fiama unit you just have to replace the measure scale on the rip guide with the magnetic strip from Fiama and find a way to attach their sensor on the rip fence housing with a L bracket as Brian mentioned.
I will contact the local Fiama distributor/seller and see what I will get.
I know that Brian has a DRO retrofit for K700 outrigger fence (large extrusion), does anyone know of some fiama units that can work the for a K500 outrigger (small extrusion) as a DRO?
Bill
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Bill,
Watch this if you have not. I am not sure how close your rip fence is to K700 but should give you a good idea of what is involved.
Imran
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On Jun 16, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote: ?Thanks a lot,
I believe I got it. With the fiama unit you just have to replace the measure scale on the rip guide with the magnetic strip from Fiama and find a way to attach their sensor on the rip fence housing with a L bracket as Brian mentioned.
I will contact the local Fiama distributor/seller and see what I will get.
I know that Brian has a DRO retrofit for K700 outrigger fence (large extrusion), does anyone know of some fiama units that can work the for a K500 outrigger (small extrusion) as a DRO?
Bill
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Thanks a lot,
I believe I got it. With the fiama unit you just have to replace the measure scale on the rip guide with the magnetic strip from Fiama and find a way to attach their sensor on the rip fence housing with a L bracket as Brian mentioned.
I will contact the local Fiama distributor/seller and see what I will get.
I know that Brian has a DRO retrofit for K700 outrigger fence (large extrusion), does anyone know of some fiama units that can work the for a K500 outrigger (small extrusion) as a DRO?
Bill
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Imran twas me... thanks, I couldn’t find it...
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On Jun 16, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? The mag strip versions are much less sensitive to mounting and alignment issues. With the Felder machines already having extrusions that accept the magnetic strips, it would be smart to go that way. If it wasn’t so easy to use the Fiama units on the rip fence, we would offer the kit… but it’s a simple L-bracket and easily done by the user.
Yes the wixey and accurate tech use an encoder strip that have a printed circuit on them where as the Fiama and the like use a mag strip, I believe the mag strip provides better resolution and real time changes and is also a little better with dirt/contamination not bothering it, either type is good enough for woodworking in my opinion.?
I am no expert on any of this and I bet Brian L and or David B have some pretty good opinions, for me I want it clean and unclunky (and to work ?) so the mag strip type is the way to go ? Thanks Bill. I have digital angle cube thingy from Wixey for cannot recall how many yrs and have not changed batteries.
Remember reading about batt drain on some similar DRO maybe it was accurate but likely model have improved over the yrs.
Imran On Jun 15, 2020, at 11:20 PM, Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Imran, I’ve had many Wixey read outs and quite sure the batteries last at least a year or two. Certainly nothing like the cheap digital calipers that require batteries every 2 months...
Bill Belanger?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:06 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Mark,
“Also if you do do a non mag strip unit like the wixy“
By this you mean that it does not work with a mag strip that one could install in OEM fence, correct? Because, it does work with a mag strip. Just curious, wanted to make sure I sm not missing something.
I remember reading issues with battery draining often. Not sure if that was wixey or accurate?
Imran
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
The mag strip versions are much less sensitive to mounting and alignment issues. With the Felder machines already having extrusions that accept the magnetic strips, it would be smart to go that way. If it wasn’t so easy to use the Fiama units on the rip fence, we would offer the kit… but it’s a simple L-bracket and easily done by the user.
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Yes the wixey and accurate tech use an encoder strip that have a printed circuit on them where as the Fiama and the like use a mag strip, I believe the mag strip provides better resolution and real time changes and is also a little better with dirt/contamination not bothering it, either type is good enough for woodworking in my opinion.?
I am no expert on any of this and I bet Brian L and or David B have some pretty good opinions, for me I want it clean and unclunky (and to work ?) so the mag strip type is the way to go ? Thanks Bill. I have digital angle cube thingy from Wixey for cannot recall how many yrs and have not changed batteries.
Remember reading about batt drain on some similar DRO maybe it was accurate but likely model have improved over the yrs.
Imran On Jun 15, 2020, at 11:20 PM, Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Imran, I’ve had many Wixey read outs and quite sure the batteries last at least a year or two. Certainly nothing like the cheap digital calipers that require batteries every 2 months...
Bill Belanger?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:06 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Mark,
“Also if you do do a non mag strip unit like the wixy“
By this you mean that it does not work with a mag strip that one could install in OEM fence, correct? Because, it does work with a mag strip. Just curious, wanted to make sure I sm not missing something.
I remember reading issues with battery draining often. Not sure if that was wixey or accurate?
Imran
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Bill,
I saved this info that was posted here. Not sure which Mark is it, maybe we will find out. Also look up noble artisan on utube where a FOG member has done this as well.
Imran
Start of saved msg on DRO: Fyi, here is something I posted back in march on the fiama and the siko
I just got an email from the siko guy and its about $500 with 3m of tape
Thanks for this, I emailed him and here is the quote for the Fiama if anyone is interested, very reasonable. ? F8P-E-0.5-GR? This part number describes the following specification:? ? battery powered electronic display (black) panel mount ? 0.5 meter cabled sensor (attached)? Price: $272.91/ea.?? ? P50/10-100? This part number describes the following specification:? ? Magnetic band ? 100cm (1 meter) long ? Stainless steel cover strip included? Price: $84.45/ea.?? ? I also got a quote on the SIko
ouch, but he told me they would be almost half off during the IWF show and AWFS ? I am quite partial to the fractions which the Fiama does not provide, I am not quite as obsessed as others when it comes to precision with woodworking anything more than 0.15 in general is good enough when measuring as long as its repeatable ? MA503/2-0001 - $579.40/ea MA504/1-0001 - $326.70/ea (alternate to above has display for fractions) MS500H-0001? - 307.70/ea MB500/1-0019 - 325.20 for 3m of scale ? Regards, Mark
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On Jun 16, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote: ?Thanks for all the feedbacks,
Yes, I am completely new to those DRO stuff, so I am ok with all the information I can get.
I believe I got the Wixey and pro scale solution type: you need an additional guide/fence on which a reader slide or glide on to know its position. This type of solution, as Mark mentioned has the issue of obstructing the path of the rip fence housing/block rotation. I do it often as my rip fence is against a wall and I need to remove/rotate the block to cut at fill width over the table or right of the blade.
So, I am interested in the other type of solution, fiama type, if I got it correct. However, I have no idea what I should look at on the fiama web site. Any hints will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Thanks for all the feedbacks,
Yes, I am completely new to those DRO stuff, so I am ok with all the information I can get.
I believe I got the Wixey and pro scale solution type: you need an additional guide/fence on which a reader slide or glide on to know its position. This type of solution, as Mark mentioned has the issue of obstructing the path of the rip fence housing/block rotation. I do it often as my rip fence is against a wall and I need to remove/rotate the block to cut at fill width over the table or right of the blade.
So, I am interested in the other type of solution, fiama type, if I got it correct. However, I have no idea what I should look at on the fiama web site. Any hints will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Yes the wixey and accurate tech use an encoder strip that have a printed circuit on them where as the Fiama and the like use a mag strip, I believe the mag strip provides better resolution and real time changes and is also a little better with dirt/contamination not bothering it, either type is good enough for woodworking in my opinion.?
I am no expert on any of this and I bet Brian L and or David B have some pretty good opinions, for me I want it clean and unclunky (and to work ?) so the mag strip type is the way to go
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On Jun 16, 2020, at 8:16 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Thanks Bill. I have digital angle cube thingy from Wixey for cannot recall how many yrs and have not changed batteries.
Remember reading about batt drain on some similar DRO maybe it was accurate but likely model have improved over the yrs.
Imran
On Jun 15, 2020, at 11:20 PM, Bill Bélanger <Bllblngr@...> wrote:
? Imran, I’ve had many Wixey read outs and quite sure the batteries last at least a year or two. Certainly nothing like the cheap digital calipers that require batteries every 2 months...
Bill Belanger?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:06 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Mark,
“Also if you do do a non mag strip unit like the wixy“
By this you mean that it does not work with a mag strip that one could install in OEM fence, correct? Because, it does work with a mag strip. Just curious, wanted to make sure I sm not missing something.
I remember reading issues with battery draining often. Not sure if that was wixey or accurate?
Imran
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Thanks Bill. I have digital angle cube thingy from Wixey for cannot recall how many yrs and have not changed batteries.
Remember reading about batt drain on some similar DRO maybe it was accurate but likely model have improved over the yrs.
Imran
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On Jun 15, 2020, at 11:20 PM, Bill Bélanger <Bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Imran, I’ve had many Wixey read outs and quite sure the batteries last at least a year or two. Certainly nothing like the cheap digital calipers that require batteries every 2 months...
Bill Belanger?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:06 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Mark,
“Also if you do do a non mag strip unit like the wixy“
By this you mean that it does not work with a mag strip that one could install in OEM fence, correct? Because, it does work with a mag strip. Just curious, wanted to make sure I sm not missing something.
I remember reading issues with battery draining often. Not sure if that was wixey or accurate?
Imran
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Thanks Mark. I was fairly sure that is what you meant. Wixey has a msg strip but it is attached to a bar that reader goes upon. I assume the reader they are using is not as sophisticated as the higher priced units, so has to be sold as a pre assembled mag strip/reader unit. Just a guess.
Imran
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On Jun 15, 2020, at 11:28 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote: ? Imran,?
Now I am confused, partially because I can’t construct a proper sentence, have proper grammar or know how to spell but let me guess that this is what you are saying and is what I meant, with the mag strip dro (like fiama) there is no encoder rail like the wixy and accurate tech unit so nothing is connected and you can flip the rip fence at will On Jun 15, 2020, at 11:06 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Mark,
“Also if you do do a non mag strip unit like the wixy“
By this you mean that it does not work with a mag strip that one could install in OEM fence, correct? Because, it does work with a mag strip. Just curious, wanted to make sure I sm not missing something.
I remember reading issues with battery draining often. Not sure if that was wixey or accurate?
Imran
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Imran,?
Now I am confused, partially because I can’t construct a proper sentence, have proper grammar or know how to spell but let me guess that this is what you are saying and is what I meant, with the mag strip dro (like fiama) there is no encoder rail like the wixy and accurate tech unit so nothing is connected and you can flip the rip fence at will
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On Jun 15, 2020, at 11:06 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Mark,
“Also if you do do a non mag strip unit like the wixy“
By this you mean that it does not work with a mag strip that one could install in OEM fence, correct? Because, it does work with a mag strip. Just curious, wanted to make sure I sm not missing something.
I remember reading issues with battery draining often. Not sure if that was wixey or accurate?
Imran
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Imran, I’ve had many Wixey read outs and quite sure the batteries last at least a year or two. Certainly nothing like the cheap digital calipers that require batteries every 2 months...
Bill Belanger?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:06 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Mark,
“Also if you do do a non mag strip unit like the wixy“
By this you mean that it does not work with a mag strip that one could install in OEM fence, correct? Because, it does work with a mag strip. Just curious, wanted to make sure I sm not missing something.
I remember reading issues with battery draining often. Not sure if that was wixey or accurate?
Imran
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Re: Wixey digital fence on K500 rip fence - feedback
Mark,
“Also if you do do a non mag strip unit like the wixy“
By this you mean that it does not work with a mag strip that one could install in OEM fence, correct? Because, it does work with a mag strip. Just curious, wanted to make sure I sm not missing something.
I remember reading issues with battery draining often. Not sure if that was wixey or accurate?
Imran
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Re: Power drive option on saw
Hi Bob,? Thanks, ?that dog catches more snakes, moles, birds then any dog we ever had just hoping she doesn’t run into the black bear that has been roaming around getting into everyones trash...
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Re: Power drive option on saw
Yea guys, I am totally sold. I wouldn't have been in the past, ironically now that I am no longer doing it for my main source of income I need my limited time in the shop efficient, I found that the power drive on the J/P has been great and a time saver. ?
In the non skiing months I normally get in maybe 10-15 hrs a month but because of Covid I am working at home and getting in like 25-35 hrs a week, point is have spent a lot more time on the saw finding myself chasing cuts, guessing ect....?
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On Jun 15, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote:
?Power Drive for height and angle - worthwhile options. They seemed costly upfront, but over time I believe you will appreciate that it simply works and is repeatable. I just finished some legs for a dining table that had angles that I was able to repeat over and over. Obviously, the robust and tried and true methods developed prior to digital height & angle changes still work but with these options, it makes it easier to 100% focus on the project, not the tool.?
And if you use the rip fence as a bump stop often (say in a production capacity) the Digi-Drive would be a consideration. It's costly, but compared to a Tiger Fence it's close in price. I would love to have a Felder option for a panel mounted manual lead-screw rip fence adjustment, like the Martin...I can dream right??
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