Thanks for the clarification. One would think that design engineers ?would make an effort....
Bill
David is correct. The cast iron F channel accessory tables that are roughly the same size as the aluminum P channel ones DO fit band saws as well as the back side of my KF700S.?
I have one installed as an outfeed on panel saw and bought a second along with two sets of mounting hardware. One is on my Felder jointer/planer and second is on my MiniMax band saw.?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, 3:05 PM Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote: I was under the impression that the table that is part of the Felder parallel fence would also fit the bandsaw as an auxiliary table.
Am I mistaken, or am I doing something wrong?
Thanks in advance
Bill Bélanger
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Hmmmm. I'm wondering about costs to have one shipped to SoCal.? I like the one you found a lot better than the $300?Grizzly or Shark Guard
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, 1:15 PM Sang Luu < sangluu@...> wrote: OAV got back to me with a much better quote via air freight. It comes out to around $661 for each unit shipped to SFO. I guess we have some cost savings due to the crating into one unit but there's still the transport needed from SFO to wherever you are.? I haven't decided to purchase from them but I wanted to share this with the group, in case folks are still interested.?
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David is correct. The cast iron F channel accessory tables that are roughly the same size as the aluminum P channel ones DO fit band saws as well as the back side of my KF700S.?
I have one installed as an outfeed on panel saw and bought a second along with two sets of mounting hardware. One is on my Felder jointer/planer and second is on my MiniMax band saw.?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, 3:05 PM Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote: I was under the impression that the table that is part of the Felder parallel fence would also fit the bandsaw as an auxiliary table.
Am I mistaken, or am I doing something wrong?
Thanks in advance
Bill Bélanger
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Hi Bill? Please send me picture Designing and building for 47 years
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?I was under the impression that the table that is part of the Felder parallel fence would also fit the bandsaw as an auxiliary table. Am I mistaken, or am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance Bill Bélanger
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Bill,
The sliding table has a Prisim or P-channel edge. ? The bandsaw and planer have an F-channel edge. ? The accessories for one do not fit the other.
David Best
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On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Bill Bélanger < Bllblngr@...> wrote:
I was under the impression that the table that is part of the Felder parallel fence would also fit the bandsaw as an auxiliary table.
Am I mistaken, or am I doing something wrong?
Thanks in advance
Bill Bélanger
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I was under the impression that the table that is part of the Felder parallel fence would also fit the bandsaw as an auxiliary table.
Am I mistaken, or am I doing something wrong?
Thanks in advance
Bill Bélanger
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Bob,
I'm more than certain they can ship to SEA so for Pacific Northwest members, that might be a better option than going through a group buy focused around SFO. Myself and one other member are SF Bay with another in SoCal, so it would make sense for us logistically somewhat to get it here first. There are others in the midwest and such that will need the forwarding.?
To answer your question about asking OAV for US references -- no, I haven't done that but I have called around and saw that Laguna and Grizzly's sliders feature this very exact guard (even down to the part numbers, etc.) so it's already in use. I supposed you could call either Laguna or Grizzly to ask about performance. I don't plan to though :).?
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Hi Sang Lu,
Yes, I am interested.? Perhaps the crate can be forwarded to a depot in Seattle where we all could meet and open the crate in the parking lot to save further cost of a second delivery.? Not sure how it works, but I'd expect delivery at SFO to a freight agent would get it through customs and onto a LTL shipment to Seattle.? Just a guess on cost could be $400-500.? I wonder if they can ship it direct to SEA?
However I point out we have not seen one of the guards, and as we push the cost up towards $1K, our options for other makes increase.? Have you asked if they have sold one or more units in the US that we could contact and ask about their experience with it?? I went through an similar exercise buying from China several years ago, an induction forge on Alibaba.? Despite my concerns, it all went very well and I no problems with the machine or its delivery.
Thank you for doing all the footwork, and please keep working on it,
Bob
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OAV got back to me with a much better quote via air freight. It comes out to around $661 for each unit shipped to SFO. I guess we have some cost savings due to the crating into one unit but there's still the transport needed from SFO to wherever you are.? I haven't decided to purchase from them but I wanted to share this with the group, in case folks are still interested.? 
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Re: Crosscut sled ideas??
To be fair, there were some videos made attached to the series that showed how a slider would be used differently than a cabinet saw. ?I think the cross cut sled and the methods of work that aired on the show were oriented to those who would have a cabinet saw as opposed to a slider, probably to make the show more relevant to the general population of woodworkers.
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Imran that was a year or 2 ago, we had quite the laugh, the show was hilarious. Quite apparent he had never used a slider before and didn't watch enough of Felder You Tube videos. LOL. IMHO did more damage than good. On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 9:56 PM imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Slider world was in disarray, here at FOG, when the show first aired showing the use of sled. I forget his name (new Tommy Mac) only used the slider because Felder sponsored the show. Hopefully, he will learn to use it to it’s full capability in time or not.
Imran On Feb 9, 2020, at 11:29 PM, Gerald Yungling via Groups.Io <gyungling=[email protected]> wrote:
?David, thanks for asking. I noticed (the new) Tommy Mac using a cross cut sled on his slider months ago but since Im a noob I didn’t want to ask a stupid question. I don’t feel so dumb with you asking the same thing.? Gerald I’m sorry, what am I missing here? ? Why would you want a crosscut SLED on a machine with a sliding table and crosscut fence?
David Best
Hi, was watching Classic Woodworking the other day and host had a shop made crosscut sled on his Felder slider. Basically identical to one we've all made for a cabinet saw, except it rode on the slider.
Pretty straightforward to make, but I'm a bit flummoxed on how to secure it to the crosscut bar and the slider, but still make it quick to release.
Any clever ideas from you folks?
Regards,
John
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I have a Creality CR-10, it’s about 3 years old now I think… It’s not by any means a great printer, but it does up to a 12” cube and I get pretty good prints out of it. I use it a lot for prototyping parts and finalizing designs. It’s a whole lot easier to design a part, start up the printer and let it print all night and check my finished part in the morning, and then make any changes before I commit to actually machining anything.
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Brian, which 3d printer do you have and do you like it? We have a Markforged, Form3, zprinter 450 and a Metal printer in our Lux plant.?
I like the Markforged the best and the zpinter the least Regards, Mark On Feb 13, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I use my 3D printer a lot to test fit things, make fixtures to hold parts for laser engraving… all sorts of things. I recently was helping my daughter on her kitchen remodel and she picked a three dimensional tile for her backsplash. It didn’t work so well with the electrical outlet trims, so I used my 3D printer to make extension rings so we could tile up to a straight edge and then put the electrical trim on and have it look right.
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We have been using 3d printing for 15ish years to iterate on designs but thats pretty much it, if we need a precise parts metal needs to be cut, even parts that come off our metal 3d printer are useless unless secondary operations are done with traditional machinery.? Regards, Mark On Feb 13, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Bill James via Groups.Io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
?Mark you are an early adopter,
Not sure there are many people out there 3D printing stuff to get it produced somewhere else, but I like it,
Bill
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Brian, which 3d printer do you have and do you like it? We have a Markforged, Form3, zprinter 450 and a Metal printer in our Lux plant.?
I like the Markforged the best and the zpinter the least Regards, Mark
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On Feb 13, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I use my 3D printer a lot to test fit things, make fixtures to hold parts for laser engraving… all sorts of things. I recently was helping my daughter on her kitchen remodel and she picked a three dimensional tile for her backsplash. It didn’t work so well with the electrical outlet trims, so I used my 3D printer to make extension rings so we could tile up to a straight edge and then put the electrical trim on and have it look right.
Before we installed the tile…. <fmCuvnVHg3WleWuQ6kqdbGuKKxO-CNv-1A6iw4ynqxrRbC4sOk5qN8QJ40pn6peqstOoonrsm87VSZT2m_0gyYmfwOevEcLL5p7S_QU-eeQTck9YbzHyQjfKPy5NlZYuEEiwAVqvzczh0MBkDf1BnLODKF0yOwob90oB6j9d8VXVRfZp4QyXn7TelEFEdVy2tMZ4bjXd_Y46wEM-9H9LRTOCIJR9TNKRPA8LVoYyeEKD_1nR=w806-h1074-no.>
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We have been using 3d printing for 15ish years to iterate on designs but thats pretty much it, if we need a precise parts metal needs to be cut, even parts that come off our metal 3d printer are useless unless secondary operations are done with traditional machinery.? Regards, Mark On Feb 13, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Bill James via Groups.Io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
?Mark you are an early adopter,
Not sure there are many people out there 3D printing stuff to get it produced somewhere else, but I like it,
Bill
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I use my 3D printer a lot to test fit things, make fixtures to hold parts for laser engraving… all sorts of things. I recently was helping my daughter on her kitchen remodel and she picked a three dimensional tile for her backsplash. It didn’t work so well with the electrical outlet trims, so I used my 3D printer to make extension rings so we could tile up to a straight edge and then put the electrical trim on and have it look right.
Before we installed the tile…. 
After the tile….
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We have been using 3d printing for 15ish years to iterate on designs but thats pretty much it, if we need a precise parts metal needs to be cut, even parts that come off our metal 3d printer are useless unless secondary operations are done with traditional machinery.? Regards, Mark On Feb 13, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Bill James via Groups.Io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
?Mark you are an early adopter,
Not sure there are many people out there 3D printing stuff to get it produced somewhere else, but I like it,
Bill
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 09:30 AM, Brian Lamb wrote:
is it a custom shower drain
No Brian, the angles are very sharp and will cut you :)
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 06:30 AM, Brian Lamb wrote:
Waterjet, laser or wire EDM?
Waterjet.??
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We have been using 3d printing for 15ish years to iterate on designs but thats pretty much it, if we need a precise parts metal needs to be cut, even parts that come off our metal 3d printer are useless unless secondary operations are done with traditional machinery.? Regards, Mark
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On Feb 13, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Bill James via Groups.Io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
?Mark you are an early adopter,
Not sure there are many people out there 3D printing stuff to get it produced somewhere else, but I like it,
Bill
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Mark you are an early adopter,
Not sure there are many people out there 3D printing stuff to get it produced somewhere else, but I like it,
Bill
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Looks like edm with that square corner, not worried about stress crack? Looks tight.? I just went to a presentation where we are installing 5 5axis cell with a robot to to wrangle 4000 tool magazine....tot ?awesome? Regards, Mark
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On Feb 13, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. <rohrabacher@...> wrote:
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5 axis? machining center? DMG Mori
On 2/13/20 9:30 AM, Brian Lamb wrote:
Waterjet, laser or wire EDM?
On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:33 PM, mark thomas < murkyd@...> wrote:
Bill, I may exaggerate a little, but very
little.
It's not just about speedy turnaround of outsourcing
things.? It's the larger transformation I'm taking about.?
If you just a need a simple shaft like Dave showed, OK it's
faster to DIY if you have the machines.? But if you're
designing today, you're no longer confined to think like
they did when that was made -- when everything was designed
for fabrication in three linear axes, low-speed tooling, old
alloys, etc. etc.? ?
In 5 minutes I can design a part that I could send out and
get made from titanium that is literally impossible to do on
lovely old iron.? Those machines don't do even simple curves
in 2D, can't run high rpm tooling, etc.? So Mac can make a
shaft in a few hours that would take me a week to
outsource.? But there's an unlimited number of parts that I
can also get in a week, but that Mac couldn't make from here
to eternity.? ?As soon as you get outside the limited
envelope of old iron, it's game over.
Here's a part that I had made that is very simple by today's
standards.? About 4x4x.5 stainless.? $58.? 48 hr
turnaround.? Try that on the Dave's Rambaudi or Mac's
Omniversal.
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