My shop mate and I have an RL 140 dust collector that hasn't been pulling its weight recently. I suspect we need to open it up to do some manual cleaning of the filters rather than just the pull bar on the outside. We don't have a manual so I went searching on the web and can't seem to find it. Anyone have a pointer to an electronic copies of Felder manuals (specifically the RL 140)?
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PS - Bonus points if you've got a pointer to a manual for an old Felder AD 741 Planer/Thicknesses too! ?Thanks!
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Nelson,
I don¡¯t believe I¡¯ve seen you post about your intended use or need for a T-nut. ?That information would be helpful in guiding you.
But I think you¡¯re over analyzing this and getting confused in the process. ?I recommend you get your machine and the accessories that go with it and try it out. ?If you are lucky, the short crosscut fence will go on/off/on the machine and consistently register square and all this stuff about T-nuts and bushings can be ignored/forgotten.
If you ordered the 1100mm short crosscut fence with your K700S order, then it should come with the coupling system that adapts the fence extrusion with flip-stops to the sliding table and includes a 90-degree flip-stop. ?:
Believe me when I say that if there were a simpler method of fixing the existing 90-degree registration issues with the Felder short fence coupling system I would have done that. ?I didn¡¯t add the leveling grub-screws for the fun of it, and a looser tolerance on the locking lever-to-T-nut interface would defeat the entire purpose of the design correction. ?But it¡¯s moot at this point because I no longer produce the upgrade kits. ?Another member here on FOG (netanel.belgazal) was exploring the idea of a group purchase using another machine shop to make the required parts. I don¡¯t know where that project stands at present.
I recommend you go through and read all the posts in this thread?from the archives. ?That thread goes into some of the alternatives for a simple on/off short crosscut fence. ?
You can also consider an approach that adapts on off-the-shelf miter gauge to the slider?. ?If you build yourself a Fritz & Franz jig with a precise fit to the T-slot or clamps to the P-channel, it can serve as a short crosscut fence that is consistently at 90-degrees when put on the slider. ??
There are also other quasi Fritz & Franz jigs that will swivel for mitering applications, but they do not register square, nor do they have angle markings, so every time you use it you must use some contrived method of aligning it properly. ?Here is a link to one such jig that is made by RUWI in Germany and sold by Felder (and Martin and SCMI) on an OEM basis. ??is the RUWI from Felder, and I reviewed it at?. ?I have one that was used only to do that review and I¡¯d be glad to sell it to you if you want. ?DM me if you are interested.
As for the ¡°5/8¡± End Mill Cutter¡± and ¡°-1.74mm¡± notations on the drawing, those are their as a setup aid for milling the T-nut from bar stock. ?It represents the milling cutter CL offset required to attain the properly dimensioned wings on the T-nut. ?You can see that operation on the mill in??at 0.28 in the timeline. ?And the purpose of the bushing is fully discussed in??- it is part of the modification that eliminates the slop at the pivot point for the fence.
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 5:16?PM, jiojio_nc via groups.io <jiojio_nc@...> wrote:
Thanks for the info David, this is very helpful.??
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It seems the bushing location on the Felder T nut is just 1 and you have 2 such locations on your design.? I have not seen any of the Felder accessories or the fence, have a few more questions:
- What is the bushing typically used for?? I see you use it for vertical alignment in the videos, I can see how it's used.? If you don't care too much about vertical alignment, like securing a clamp, the bushing is not really needed right?
- Is there a pin on the Felder fence to go into the bushing as well?? I can not tell from anything I have read or on videos.? If the Felder T Nut can not be aligned like your design, then the accessory may not be vertically aligned corrected.
- In you revised design drawing, there is a --1.74mm gap at the edge of top left corner.? I'm not sure what that's showing, is it tapered from the bottom to the top by 1.74mm?
-? Also, what is the "5/8 end mill cutter" note on the left upper corner?? I have not seen much mechanical drawings before, not too familiar with these notations.
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I put mine on a long pegboard peg. The clamp hooked over the peg, and the fence dangled straight down. Not very elegant, but since I did not use it I did not care. (Now it is on a pallet, as I try to find a buyer for the saw).
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John Hinman
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Kappa 450X and A941
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Parallel guides may be quite helpful, along with a device to set one to match the other.
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DRO for the crosscut fence stop. If you did not get one from Felder with your saw, the Lamb Tool Works version is very good.
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DRO for the rip fence. Cheap Chinese DRO can be adapted to the rip fence fairly easily.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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John and others, however do you hang the short xcut fence on the wall?
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Nelson,
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AirTight Clamps.
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My second set is due to be delivered in a couple of weeks.
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PK
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I see.? I was hoping to use it more so I won't have that long fence out the side all the time.? Maybe only use the long fence when I really need to.? I should have enough room, but it's still better to have some space.
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What would be the most useful jig or fence like item for a slider saw?? For miter and overall use?? I know the F&F type of jig is probably one of the most used, anything else?? Is there a thread which talks about just jigs?
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Also, I have seen people talking about Mac's clamp, but can't find anything in Google, what is it exactly?
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If you ordered the short cross cut fence option it will come with the mounting bits and pieces.
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If you are like many of us you will find some way to hang it on a wall somewhere to collect dust.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Thanks for the info David, this is very helpful.??
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It seems the bushing location on the Felder T nut is just 1 and you have 2 such locations on your design.? I have not seen any of the Felder accessories or the fence, have a few more questions:
- What is the bushing typically used for?? I see you use it for vertical alignment in the videos, I can see how it's used.? If you don't care too much about vertical alignment, like securing a clamp, the bushing is not really needed right?
- Is there a pin on the Felder fence to go into the bushing as well?? I can not tell from anything I have read or on videos.? If the Felder T Nut can not be aligned like your design, then the accessory may not be vertically aligned corrected.
- In you revised design drawing, there is a --1.74mm gap at the edge of top left corner.? I'm not sure what that's showing, is it tapered from the bottom to the top by 1.74mm?
-? Also, what is the "5/8 end mill cutter" note on the left upper corner?? I have not seen much mechanical drawings before, not too familiar with these notations.
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Thanks,
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Nelson?
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For the new saw I'm waiting for, I also added a 900mm crosscut fence, but no mounting hardware.? I was not explained what hardware I needed.? David:? What is the upgrade kit you mentioned?
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David:? I watched all these video you posted related to the short fence and how you fixed the problem, it is clear to me what you did and why.? Thank you.
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I was just wondering, if you made a T Nut with the side set screw adjustment, and instead of using bushing like your design, just machine the hole to tighter tolerance (+0.05mm) over the Felder shaft that goes into it, will it help a great deal with the alignment as well?
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Re: Mirka DEOS 3x4 vs Surfprep
I have an older model, the Ceos, with a 150mm pad. The difference between the Ceos and the Deos is that the Deos comes with the transformer built into the sander, while the Ceos requires an external, separate transformer. As a result the Ceos is a little lighter in the hand, but the Deos is more convenient to set up.?
I love using this little sander, which was purchased over a Festool. It is especially kind to us physically when planing vertical sections - obviously originally made for the motor refinishing industry. The paddle will feel unusual at the start, and then is forgotten once you become familiar with the sander. Mine is the lowest sander in vibration I use used, and the dust control is the absolute best (used with Mirka mesh and a Festool vacuum).?
Regards from Perth
Derek
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The sliding table and the splinter tongue shown in those drawings is of a pre-X-roll machine circa 2002. ?Just FYI. ?That said, the wing-screws and rhombus t-nuts could be used with the current crosscut fence to secure a shop-made tearout preventer such as shown below.?
 David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 3:10?PM, PK via groups.io <pk@...> wrote:
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I went out to check out what I have and I have the answer:
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These are for a sacrificial piece of wood to be added to the crosscut fence:
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This is for a sacrificial piece to be added to the front of the fence:
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The other parts I cannot speak to.
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PK
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Tom thanks that is helpful
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Hi Michael,?
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I have the Mirka 6" random orbit sander and I really like it. With the sander in hand I don't notice the paddle switch. For shop work I wouldn't hesitate to go all-in on Mirka. If you opt for Mirka, I suggest getting one of their ~18" hose sections which
can thread directly onto the sander, this makes for a more well-balanced sander which is easier to handle.?
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If you're on the go, I'd suggest also considering the new Makita sanders. I recently ordered a Makita BO005CGZ 80mm x 133mm sander and I really like it. Very similar ergonomics to the Mirka Deros and Deos sanders, with the benefit of being cordless, running
on the Makita 40V XGT platform. At present, the only way to get these sanders is to import from Japan or the UK via e-bay sellers, though it does look like Makita USA will be introducing the 6" 5mm random orbit sanders in early 2025, presumably with the others
(6" 3mm, 5" 5mm, 5" 3mm, 80x133, and Delta) to come some time later.?
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Makita GOB01CZ: ?
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Standard 27mm hose bayonets fit the Makita XGT sanders fine, though for more finesse I suggest using a Makita vac as their hose will thread onto a special adapter, similar setup as the Mirka. I make extensive use of my Makita GCV04PMUX, best when paired
with 8.0Ah batteries: ?
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Hope this is helpful,?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
-- Michael Marsico
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Michael,
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I have used the SurfPrep 3x4 and subsequently bought and use a Ekasand 3x4 from Uneeda.? They seem to be identical and the Ekasand had a longer warranty.? Prices are the same, but Uneeda has far more sales than Surfprep.??
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I use the sander with the sponge sandpaper and I am very happy with it.? It excels at working on finishes and I have yet to see a pigtail from it ever.? Lots of shops use them to scuff before coats and the results are far better than hand sanding.
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There are lots of videos out there on them and how to use it on doors etc.
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They sell an adaptor to use it with the festool vacuums.
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PK
-- Michael Marsico
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Netaniel,
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I went out to check out what I have and I have the answer:
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These are for a sacrificial piece of wood to be added to the crosscut fence:
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This is for a sacrificial piece to be added to the front of the fence:
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The other parts I cannot speak to.
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PK
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Michael,
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I have used the SurfPrep 3x4 and subsequently bought and use a Ekasand 3x4 from Uneeda.? They seem to be identical and the Ekasand had a longer warranty.? Prices are the same, but Uneeda has far more sales than Surfprep.??
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I use the sander with the sponge sandpaper and I am very happy with it.? It excels at working on finishes and I have yet to see a pigtail from it ever.? Lots of shops use them to scuff before coats and the results are far better than hand sanding.
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There are lots of videos out there on them and how to use it on doors etc.
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They sell an adaptor to use it with the festool vacuums.
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PK
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Hi Michael,?
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I have the Mirka 6" random orbit sander and I really like it. With the sander in hand I don't notice the paddle switch. For shop work I wouldn't hesitate to go all-in on Mirka. If you opt for Mirka, I suggest getting one of their ~18" hose sections which can thread directly onto the sander, this makes for a more well-balanced sander which is easier to handle.?
?
If you're on the go, I'd suggest also considering the new Makita sanders. I recently ordered a Makita BO005CGZ 80mm x 133mm sander and I really like it. Very similar ergonomics to the Mirka Deros and Deos sanders, with the benefit of being cordless, running on the Makita 40V XGT platform. At present, the only way to get these sanders is to import from Japan or the UK via e-bay sellers, though it does look like Makita USA will be introducing the 6" 5mm random orbit sanders in early 2025, presumably with the others (6" 3mm, 5" 5mm, 5" 3mm, 80x133, and Delta) to come some time later.?
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Makita GOB01CZ: ?
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Standard 27mm hose bayonets fit the Makita XGT sanders fine, though for more finesse I suggest using a Makita vac as their hose will thread onto a special adapter, similar setup as the Mirka. I make extensive use of my Makita GCV04PMUX, best when paired with 8.0Ah batteries: ?
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Hope this is helpful,?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Thanks Jason - I have read really good things about both of them ¡ probably cant go wrong with either
I have been using a 5" Mirka Deros since 2020. It just went kaput one day a couple weeks ago. Sent it in for service, they made it a very easy process. Came back with virtually every part replaced. Cost $320. It gets used a lot.?
A finisher of mine uses the Surfprep and likes them a lot.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
612.432.2765
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
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Michael Marsico
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Re: Mirka DEOS 3x4 vs Surfprep
I have been using a 5" Mirka Deros since 2020. It just went kaput one day a couple weeks ago. Sent it in for service, they made it a very easy process. Came back with virtually every part replaced. Cost $320. It gets used a lot.?
A finisher of mine uses the Surfprep and likes them a lot.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Donald Parker
David P. Best
PK
Tom Gensmer
Jason Holtz