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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
Hi all,
I agree with Mr. Bird.? I am waiting for a K 700S that I ordered in Nov?of 23 and should arrive in about 8 weeks. I just saw a Kappa X-Roll with DROs, 126" slider,??looks like loaded with programing control for $15.5K located in Florida. Even after shipping across the country I would have saved several thousands. - Yes, seriously look at used machines but the devil IS "in the details.?
Good luck.? ou asked a great question Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066
On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 11:09?AM Bird Cupps < birdc@...> wrote: I would second Bob’s advice about considering a used saw. I don’t want to offend anyone but what I’ve seen is that there are quite a few hobbyist woodworkers who buy after retirement and then 10 - 20 years down the road find they aren’t spending as much time in the shop and sell lightly used, beloved and well-cared for equipment.
That said, I did not follow my own advice and bought new : )?
Bird On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
Why not go with a used saw? I stepped up from an Oliver 270 to an older k700s and after a couple of years with it I now know if I bought a new saw what I'd really value. Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday.? I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S.? I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring.? I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking.? I currently have a saw stop.? I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S.? I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ? I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.? Thank you in advance.?
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On Feb 5, 2024, at 5:00?AM, Joe Calhoon via groups.io <joecalhoon@...> wrote:
?I have a slightly curved hardwood caul that works well between the Mac clamps for this type work.
I have a slightly curved hardwood caul that works well between the Mac clamps for this type work.
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Re: Sheet good recommendations
Great discussion.... at risk of a slight hi-jacking of the thread, how do you think the light marine plywood from BGB would work for shop shelving? I'm about to embark on some storage upgrades.
On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 2:47?PM David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
Hi Murray:
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Sorry to drop the ball on this discussion. Thanks a lot for sharing your local knowledge on Sharp Panels and BGB. Darren Oates has a proven track record to producing commercial quantities of shop sawn materials.
I have a lot of respect for him!
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Regarding “making your own”, that’s exactly what I do when I have a high-end project that needs a certain look, or I’m using a very special piece of timber. The case of this chest of drawers was solid Australian
blackwood, but the client wanted master grade fiddleback Australian blackwood for the fronts. So I resawed a 50mm board into 4mm veneers and then made my own laminated drawer fronts by resawing lots of “ordinary” blackwood, mixing up the grain, and then gluing
together a 25mm drawer front consisting of many layers of blackwood with the special fronts. This allowed maximum quality and control on a stable drawer front in “solid wood” but with the special show faces.
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Anyway, I hope your day is turning out great!
Lucky
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Warm regards,
Lucky
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Lucky, thanks for the response. Regarding the Wood Review article I was just suggesting a standard magazine article. I know they have plenty of good topics,
but the subject of built-in and library construction struck me is being really interesting and I don’t believe they have done anything on this in the past.
Regarding plywood supplies, I’ve just checked and it seems that Sharp Plywood have been reincarnated as Sharp Panels. I think they do custom veneer of plywood
and they would be worth a look. Also, there is a guy called Steve at Nerang with a company called BGB plywood . he sells relatively inexpensive “marine” plywood. I bought a bundle of a couple of years ago for non-critical work such as planter boxes, a pool
pump cover and a tool cabinet I’m planning on building. There are some pluses and minuses with this plywood. On the downside, although it is called Marine plywood I would never have it anywhere near a boat. it has a gaboon veneer on the outside. Many of the
sheets that I bought, had a defect, consisting of faint, dark lines, running perpendicular to the grain. I was planning on, finishing many of them with a solid acrylic, so this didn’t concern me, and I thought that just a few passes with the sandpaper would
remove them. With every sheet of marine plywood I have ever used in the past the outer layer is not a wafer thin veneer, but an actual ply of reasonable thickness. With the BGB plywood, it is thin veneer, which you can sand straight through very easily.
On the plus side however, it seems to have very good thickness consistency and a very fair flat surface. Judging by the end grain, it doesn’t have too many
voids. It’s a couple of years since I bought the bundle I have, it’s been stored in a carport, partially exposed, and is showing no signs of any delamination warping, etc.
I had a significant victory recently with my first attempt at shop sawing wide veneers(thanks to Darren Oates). I am now planning on doing my own veneers for
the aforementioned tool cabinet, and I think BGB plywood should be okay for this purpose. if you have some non-critical tasks coming up, it’s probably worth buying a couple of sheets and doing your own assessment.
Murray
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I tracked that Ironwood beam down and have the part number at work.? It's $4,000. Dave Davies
On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 10:30?PM Aaron Inami < ainami@...> wrote: [Edited Message Follows]
I actually saw this on an Ironwood slider.? It's shown in both of these videos at the 5 minute mark (only 2 years ago).? They describe it as a "pneumatic pressure beam":
-Aaron
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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I actually saw this on an Ironwood slider.? It's shown in both of these videos at the 5 minute mark (only 2 years ago).? They describe it as a "pneumatic pressure beam":
-Aaron
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I basically use a 3/4" MDF piece that is 3" wide by 8' long clamped on its edge with my air clamps. It serves the same purpose, is extremely cheap, and doesn't require removing my standard air clamps for a different set up.?
Hope that helps,?
Jarrett
When I bought my T72 24 years ago this option was about $2600. I imagine twice or three times now if still available. Aigner has one also if it is still available.
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Re: Veneering: Substrate & Supplier
Last purchased mdo plywood in 2021 from my supplier in the northeast (Atlantic plywood), so I can’t speak for current quality as well
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On Feb 4, 2024, at 10:14 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? I haven’t purchased MDO since 2017, so the quality may have gone down. I do know that the stuff at the big box stores is not quality ply. ?When I did buy it, it was always through a yard that catered to the pro cab builders. ?Combo-core is great but is easily dented and edge-damaged, so it requires careful handling in pay experience.? David Best - via mobile phone? On Feb 4, 2024, at 7:07?PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? In my experience with it, I’ve seen some grain telegraph with MDO in paint grade work. It’s best to go with something like combi core or the like which has 1/8” layers of mdf on the surface of each side.? On Feb 4, 2024, at 10:03 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Mac, I don’t think that’s a phenolic surface, I think it’s Kraft paper. If so, the product is called, medium density overlay plywood, which is terrific for paint grade cabinetry. ?It’s flat and smooth with no voids in the surface of veneers under the Kraft paper.
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On Feb 4, 2024, at 8:44?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
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What is this stuff , I think som kind of sign stuff very flat salvaged a bunch.
Appears 7 or 8 ply for .75 phenolic face ?
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On Feb 2, 2024, at 5:46?PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
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Hi Wade,
I usually glue on 1/4" strips and then fit from there. Around 1/8 is ideal for not telegraphing.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
Re: Veneering: Substrate & Supplier
I haven’t purchased MDO since 2017, so the quality may have gone down. I do know that the stuff at the big box stores is not quality ply. ?When I did buy it, it was always through a yard that catered to the pro cab builders. ?Combo-core is great but is easily dented and edge-damaged, so it requires careful handling in pay experience.? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Feb 4, 2024, at 7:07?PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? In my experience with it, I’ve seen some grain telegraph with MDO in paint grade work. It’s best to go with something like combi core or the like which has 1/8” layers of mdf on the surface of each side.? On Feb 4, 2024, at 10:03 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Mac, I don’t think that’s a phenolic surface, I think it’s Kraft paper. If so, the product is called, medium density overlay plywood, which is terrific for paint grade cabinetry. ?It’s flat and smooth with no voids in the surface of veneers under the Kraft paper.
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On Feb 4, 2024, at 8:44?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
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What is this stuff , I think som kind of sign stuff very flat salvaged a bunch.
Appears 7 or 8 ply for .75 phenolic face ?
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Designing and building for 50 years
On Feb 2, 2024, at 5:46?PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
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Hi Wade,
I usually glue on 1/4" strips and then fit from there. Around 1/8 is ideal for not telegraphing.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
Re: Veneering: Substrate & Supplier
In my experience with it, I’ve seen some grain telegraph with MDO in paint grade work. It’s best to go with something like combi core or the like which has 1/8” layers of mdf on the surface of each side.?
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On Feb 4, 2024, at 10:03 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Mac, I don’t think that’s a phenolic surface, I think it’s Kraft paper. If so, the product is called, medium density overlay plywood, which is terrific for paint grade cabinetry. ?It’s flat and smooth with no voids in the surface of veneers under the Kraft paper.
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On Feb 4, 2024, at 8:44?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
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What is this stuff , I think som kind of sign stuff very flat salvaged a bunch.
Appears 7 or 8 ply for .75 phenolic face ?
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Designing and building for 50 years
On Feb 2, 2024, at 5:46?PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
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Hi Wade,
I usually glue on 1/4" strips and then fit from there. Around 1/8 is ideal for not telegraphing.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
Re: Veneering: Substrate & Supplier
Mac, I don’t think that’s a phenolic surface, I think it’s Kraft paper. If so, the product is called, medium density overlay plywood, which is terrific for paint grade cabinetry. ?It’s flat and smooth with no voids in the surface of veneers under the Kraft paper. |
David Best - via mobile phone?
On Feb 4, 2024, at 8:44?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
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What is this stuff , I think som kind of sign stuff very flat salvaged a bunch.
Appears 7 or 8 ply for .75 phenolic face ?
<IMG_3235.jpeg>
Designing and building for 50 years
On Feb 2, 2024, at 5:46?PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
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Hi Wade,
I usually glue on 1/4" strips and then fit from there. Around 1/8 is ideal for not telegraphing.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
Re: Veneering: Substrate & Supplier
Mac, that looks like mdo (medium density overlay) plywood that I bought a few times for sign work.?
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On Feb 4, 2024, at 11:44 AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? What is this stuff , I think som kind of sign stuff very flat salvaged a bunch. Appears 7 or 8 ply for .75 phenolic face ?
<IMG_3235.jpeg> Designing and building for 50 years On Feb 2, 2024, at 5:46?PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? Hi Wade, I usually glue on 1/4" strips and then fit from there. Around 1/8 is ideal for not telegraphing.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Articulating Shop Light
Jim,
This is what I have. It must be the advantage of direction as these are 5K lumens or my 4’ LED bulbs are not as many lumens as advertised. We are talking 3 fixtures to 17. Granted the shop is 70% bigger but still ….
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On Feb 4, 2024, at 7:54?PM, Jim Dayton <jd74914@...> wrote:
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Those triple wing fixtures are awesome. My experience is the same.?
I’ve also been in some shops with dentist lights, though they were all for things like solder stations. I’ve not seen one yet for general spot lighting.?
FWIW, we got 3-winged LED light fixtures for our garage. The 3 wings go from horizontal to vertical. I was literally shocked how bright my 2 car garage is with these. It appears to be brighter than my shop where I have 34 4’ LED tubes.
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On Feb 4, 2024, at 6:09?PM, Larry <
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?Good Sunday all,
I have a spot in my shop that I want to mount a decent sized articulating light (maybe industrial...something I could swing overhead for a J/P, bandsaw, and drill press). My internet searches have come up with dock lights but thought I would ask what others might be using in their shop. Thanks.
Re: Articulating Shop Light
Those triple wing fixtures are awesome. My experience is the same.?
I’ve also been in some shops with dentist lights, though they were all for things like solder stations. I’ve not seen one yet for general spot lighting.?
FWIW, we got 3-winged LED light fixtures for our garage. The 3 wings go from horizontal to vertical. I was literally shocked how bright my 2 car garage is with these. It appears to be brighter than my shop where I have 34 4’ LED tubes.
On Feb 4, 2024, at 6:09?PM, Larry < larry@...> wrote: ?Good Sunday all,
I have a spot in my shop that I want to mount a decent sized articulating light (maybe industrial...something I could swing overhead for a J/P, bandsaw, and drill press). My internet searches have come up with dock lights but thought I would ask what others might be using in their shop. Thanks.
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Re: Maintenance on BF6-31 - how to clean and lubricate saw rise/fall
Thank you - I'll persist without trying to dismantle anything else!
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When I bought my T72 24 years ago this option was about $2600. I imagine twice or three times now if still available. Aigner has one also if it is still available.
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Re: Maintenance on BF6-31 - how to clean and lubricate saw rise/fall
There is a rod that conects to the tilt if I remember correctly and has an aluminum bearing block, might also grease that and make sure it’s not pinching. Mac,,
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Feb 4, 2024, at 6:37?PM, mac campshure <mac512002@...> wrote:
? A very small kid works! Otherwise a robot arm . Long brush , compressed air with very long snot
Designing and building for 50 years On Feb 4, 2024, at 6:20?PM, dsafd2@... wrote:
?Hello everyone,
the saw rise/fall on my BF6-31 has become stiffer over time, and could really use some cleaning and fresh grease, but I am struggling to reach the rack and pinion in order to clean it. Does anyone have any suggestions of how I could get better access to it, is there a panel that can be removed in order to access it better? I can manage to reach the saw tilt by sliding the cover across below the sliding table, but the rise/fall is really hard to reach. Thanks in advance
Davide
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Re: Maintenance on BF6-31 - how to clean and lubricate saw rise/fall
A very small kid works! Otherwise a robot arm . Long brush , compressed air with very long snot
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Feb 4, 2024, at 6:20?PM, dsafd2@... wrote:
?Hello everyone,
the saw rise/fall on my BF6-31 has become stiffer over time, and could really use some cleaning and fresh grease, but I am struggling to reach the rack and pinion in order to clean it. Does anyone have any suggestions of how I could get better access to it, is there a panel that can be removed in order to access it better? I can manage to reach the saw tilt by sliding the cover across below the sliding table, but the rise/fall is really hard to reach. Thanks in advance
Davide
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Maintenance on BF6-31 - how to clean and lubricate saw rise/fall
Hello everyone,
the saw rise/fall on my BF6-31 has become stiffer over time, and could really use some cleaning and fresh grease, but I am struggling to reach the rack and pinion in order to clean it. Does anyone have any suggestions of how I could get better access to it, is there a panel that can be removed in order to access it better? I can manage to reach the saw tilt by sliding the cover across below the sliding table, but the rise/fall is really hard to reach. Thanks in advance
Davide
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Re: Articulating Shop Light
FWIW, we got 3-winged LED light fixtures for our garage. The 3 wings go from horizontal to vertical. I was literally shocked how bright my 2 car garage is with these. It appears to be brighter than my shop where I have 34 4’ LED tubes.
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On Feb 4, 2024, at 6:09?PM, Larry <larry@...> wrote: ?Good Sunday all,
I have a spot in my shop that I want to mount a decent sized articulating light (maybe industrial...something I could swing overhead for a J/P, bandsaw, and drill press). My internet searches have come up with dock lights but thought I would ask what others might be using in their shop. Thanks.
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David P. Best
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