Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
Hi Aaron,
Current capacitor cost for rise and fall of blade on a K700S, to Milton WA $84.94 shipped. ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:42?AM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
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I came from a Powermatic cabinet saw over 20 years and now have the same K700S machine.? I am very happy that I moved to a full size slider.? There are many things that I can do so much easier now with the slider!! That being said, specifications say the WA80 weighs in at 1000+ kg.? That translates to 2200 lbs.? It is a much heavier built saw than the K700S, which averages around 1600 lbs.? The frame and base cabinet metal will likely resist flex better and the machine may feel more "solid" when working with it.? I would say the WA80 is more in line with the Felder K945S or even the Format4 machines (which average 1950-2100 lbs).?? The lower end Altendorf WA8 or F25 saws are likely more equal to the K700S machine. The WA80 is minimum 7.5HP which most likely means it is a 3-phase power machine.? Do you have 3-phase power in your shop?? If you are running a Sawstop, I suspect that you only have 240V single phase A/C power.? The 3-phase machines are always recommended and run smoother and quieter, but it is definitely a considerable expense.? In my situation, I ended up with single phase because converting my shop to 3-phase power would be almost as much as the K700S cost itself.?? The downsides of single phase is motor noise/smoothness and having to deal with replacing the motor start/run capacitors.? On the Felder single phase machines, you need to hold down the power button until the motor has spun up to full speed.? Otherwise, you risk burning out the capacitors early (like within a year or less).? Overall, replacing capacitors is likely a 100-200 dollar expense.? A 3 phase setup can cost 3-10 thousand or more depending on how you do it and if you are doing a full electrician/permit install.?? If you are not doing 3-phase, then the Felder K700S is a very nice saw. Getting the saw to your location in Michigan safely is going to be another expense.? I would likely suggest having Felder ship the product via freight from their New Castle, DE location to a freight terminal in Michigan local.? Then arrange for a local rigging company to transport it to your shop (fully insured) using flatbed and forklift.? These are not machines you can ship with a lift-gate truck.? Alternatively, you can rent a drop-deck trailer and transport it yourself, but be aware of insurance coverage.? Many consumer auto insurance companies will not insure this type of transport.? I would figure a couple thousand dollars (or possibly more) extra for safe shipping to your location. Getting the machine setup and aligned by Felder is likely a $2k cost.? You can do it yourself (I did).? It requires a $500-800 investment in calibration and measurement tools.? It's a great way to get to know your machine. If I have 3-phase power and a budget of around $30-35k, I might choose the Felder K945S over the Altendorf because Felder have added a bunch of features to the new K945S that are really nice.? Also, it's the lowest cost point where you could also get the PCS protection system.? But that's me.? The Altendorf looks to be a very well engineered machine with excellent build quality. After working with the K700S for over a year, I don't regret my purchase at all.?? Based on my experience and everything I've read, the Felder saws are actually pretty good.? I've compared using both the Felder and Minimax sliding table saws and I think the Felder are nicer.? However, once you get into jointer/planer choices, the Felder products do have their problems. -Aaron
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
Thank you for your service in public safety!
I’m a retired hobby woodworker (with a generous budget for toys) who recently purchased a 2012 vintage KF700S (lightly used by hobby woodworker) after using a Sawstop ICS for 6 years. I’m blown away and in love with the slider. I could have afforded to buy a new one but happy with the used one.
I’m a yes vote for a slider. Strategically, I’d suggest buying a Felder vs the more expensive machine and bank the extra $ in case public pensions come under pressure in the future. (Sorry, I’m not trying to be political…just pragmatic).
Regards, Michael
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:02?AM, jcorrado72@... wrote:
? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
I came from a Powermatic cabinet saw over 20 years and now have the same K700S machine.? I am very happy that I moved to a full size slider.? There are many things that I can do so much easier now with the slider!!
That being said, specifications say the WA80 weighs in at 1000+ kg.? That translates to 2200 lbs.? It is a much heavier built saw than the K700S, which averages around 1600 lbs.? The frame and base cabinet metal will likely resist flex better and the machine may feel more "solid" when working with it.? I would say the WA80 is more in line with the Felder K945S or even the Format4 machines (which average 1950-2100 lbs).?? The lower end Altendorf WA8 or F25 saws are likely more equal to the K700S machine.
The WA80 is minimum 7.5HP which most likely means it is a 3-phase power machine.? Do you have 3-phase power in your shop?? If you are running a Sawstop, I suspect that you only have 240V single phase A/C power.? The 3-phase machines are always recommended and run smoother and quieter, but it is definitely a considerable expense.? In my situation, I ended up with single phase because converting my shop to 3-phase power would be almost as much as the K700S cost itself.?? The downsides of single phase is motor noise/smoothness and having to deal with replacing the motor start/run capacitors.? On the Felder single phase machines, you need to hold down the power button until the motor has spun up to full speed.? Otherwise, you risk burning out the capacitors early (like within a year or less).? Overall, replacing capacitors is likely a 100-200 dollar expense.? A 3 phase setup can cost 3-10 thousand or more depending on how you do it and if you are doing a full electrician/permit install.?? If you are not doing 3-phase, then the Felder K700S is a very nice saw.
Getting the saw to your location in Michigan safely is going to be another expense.? I would likely suggest having Felder ship the product via freight from their New Castle, DE location to a freight terminal in Michigan local.? Then arrange for a local rigging company to transport it to your shop (fully insured) using flatbed and forklift.? These are not machines you can ship with a lift-gate truck.? Alternatively, you can rent a drop-deck trailer and transport it yourself, but be aware of insurance coverage.? Many consumer auto insurance companies will not insure this type of transport.? I would figure a couple thousand dollars (or possibly more) extra for safe shipping to your location.
Getting the machine setup and aligned by Felder is likely a $2k cost.? You can do it yourself (I did).? It requires a $500-800 investment in calibration and measurement tools.? It's a great way to get to know your machine.
If I have 3-phase power and a budget of around $30-35k, I might choose the Felder K945S over the Altendorf because Felder have added a bunch of features to the new K945S that are really nice.? Also, it's the lowest cost point where you could also get the PCS protection system.? But that's me.? The Altendorf looks to be a very well engineered machine with excellent build quality.
After working with the K700S for over a year, I don't regret my purchase at all.?? Based on my experience and everything I've read, the Felder saws are actually pretty good.? I've compared using both the Felder and Minimax sliding table saws and I think the Felder are nicer.? However, once you get into jointer/planer choices, the Felder products do have their problems.
-Aaron
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
I am sorry but I also wanted to thank you for your service and happy retirement ?
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:02?AM, jcorrado72@... wrote: ? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
Hello and Welcome to the group. What is your name? We like posters to put their name in the closing ?
If you want to explore used I regularly post on my FB (link below). Most are on the west coast but recall one in Chicago area not too long ago.
These are well built machines but things do go wrong with new and old, so it is best if the owner is able to align and maintain these machines. Getting Felder to fix or align the machine is too expensive for most typical hobbiests except for the few who can afford it.
My 2002 KF700 works just as good as new. With used you can check for table flatness, runout on arbor/spindle and functionality prior to purchase. Everyone is different but after buying 2002 KF new all other Felder machines (4) that I have were bought used.
If you are not familiar with the machines lookup someone near you. This is a friendly group and you should be able to see the machine in person. I am in central Indiana so bit of a drive but happy to go over the machines that I have.
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:02?AM, jcorrado72@... wrote: ? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
Seriously, you probably won’t make any more money with the Felder than you would with the SawStop. So if what you want is a slider, I would say that the Felder is as good as the alternatives. Buy what you can afford and enjoy it. Trying to justify a hobby is tough. Having said that, the purchase delivery and setup of a Felder product is an undertaking of it itself, so be patient. You’ve come to the right place for help. Again, Welcome…
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 07:12, Bill Belanger via groups.io <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? Welcome to the group! You can make a million bucks in woodworking, but you’ll need to start with 2. LOL
Bill Belanger? On Feb 1, 2024, at 07:02, jcorrado72@... wrote:
? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
Welcome to the group! You can make a million bucks in woodworking, but you’ll need to start with 2. LOL
Bill Belanger?
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 07:02, jcorrado72@... wrote:
? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Re: Lamello Cantex for sale $2000
As an owner of both the virutex and cantex, the adjustment mechanism on the cantex is superior. If you’ve ever used a top 21 it’s the same idea. The virutex is a guess and check.?
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Felder K 700 S comsidering.
Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Valchromat for cabinet construction
Hi All
Anyone experienced with Valchromat in the group? ?From the looks of it, its seems to be similar to double refined MDF in terms of rigidity. Has anyone built cabinet carcasses out of it? ?If so would it stand up to use? ?Thanks!
Andy
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Re: Are Miter saws relevant with a great slider?
#poll-notice
I have one for site work (mostly small structures on my properties), but also to rough cut small stock to avoid small projectiles on the right side of the blade.? I also had a radial saw for breaking down rough planks.? No plans to part with either.
Marlowe
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Re: Lamello Cantex for sale $2000
Kevin,? Is it more than twice as good as my Virutex lipping planer? I use that machine quite a bit and have very little complaints about it.
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Are Miter saws relevant with a great slider?
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hi David, no I dont have a F&F on my slider. I have a rip guide on left side of the slider, might be able to use it as F&F?? been wanting to use it but limited work space.? 
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Re: Sheet good recommendations
On 31-1-2024 20:13, Andy wrote:
Thanks Jonathan and David,
I’ve had JoinerCAD for a few months, I’m pretty familiar with it. It definitely speeds up carcass and shelf creation, but it still requires the drudgery of importing STP files for each different connector. It also still requires you to physically place the connectors on the model rather than adapt to add the correct hardware spacing (or even type)
Ok, I had the impression that if you spend a little work you could
automate this fairly easily, per the link posted in the previous
mail, see below:
On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:41 PM, Jonathan Martens <jonathan@...> wrote:
Here is their Youtube channel with more show cases: , there is even a video on explaining how to create a autmated way of placing rafix S20 connectors:
They have a few (very limited set) of them prepared already
judging from the video and the link in the comment section:
Kind regards,
Jonathan
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Should work fine. Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 31, 2024, at 8:43?PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Brandon,
2001 is pre Xroll but not an issue going to Xroll. Going the other way, from Xroll to pre-Xroll, if the nut is 1/2” thick the two bottom sides need to be chamfered vs square.
On Jan 31, 2024, at 9:05?PM, Brandon Nickel <brandon.nickel@...> wrote:
?I see they're listed as for a 2001 KF700. Can anyone (Mac?) tell me if these will work on a 2018 KF700S? I'm not familiar with any changes that might have been made to the table or T-slot.?
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Felder g480 lack compression start
Hey guys can anyone help me with my Felder??
an error message appears when I start the edgebander saying ‘emergency lack compression’ but compression seems to be fine! It also shows ‘emergency panel pressed’ when it’s not pressed.?
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Brandon,
2001 is pre Xroll but not an issue going to Xroll. Going the other way, from Xroll to pre-Xroll, if the nut is 1/2” thick the two bottom sides need to be chamfered vs square.
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On Jan 31, 2024, at 9:05?PM, Brandon Nickel <brandon.nickel@...> wrote: ?I see they're listed as for a 2001 KF700. Can anyone (Mac?) tell me if these will work on a 2018 KF700S? I'm not familiar with any changes that might have been made to the table or T-slot.?
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The clamps were received in CA on or about 7/29/19.
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Re: Are Miter saws relevant with a great slider?
#poll-notice
I keep my old Makita in the barn but seldom use it. Good for siding and rough outside projects. The Mafell ks400 is a worthy replacement tool for trim and especially scribe work.?
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I see they're listed as for a 2001 KF700. Can anyone (Mac?) tell me if these will work on a 2018 KF700S? I'm not familiar with any changes that might have been made to the table or T-slot.?
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