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Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

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Yes Wade I’m doing those next. This is just preliminary fitting and figuring it out.?

On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:49 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:

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Dan, is there going to be a riving knife slot?

Wade

On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:12 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:

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I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?

Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?

If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.



On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:57 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.

I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.

Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.

If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022

Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

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Dan, is there going to be a riving knife slot?

Wade

On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:12 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:

?
I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?

Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?

If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.



On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:57 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.

I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.

Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.

If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022

Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

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Mark did you laminate that strip to the edge and then cut the bevel? The way you did it on the new saw looks fine actually. Zero clearance is more important on the right side anyway so little pieces done get sucked in there or blow up in the process.?
Those little height adjustment screws were a pita to adjust level with the top.. seems better to just make a piece the thickness of the recess and call it a day.?

On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:

?No.


Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:02 PM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:

I'd be interested. I have an older K700, though. Have the inserts stayed the same?

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 5:12 PM Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?

Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?

If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.

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On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:57 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.

I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.

Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.

If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022



Re: Felder/Hammer setup in a small space

 

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Not the David your asking, but I just purchased a multi router with most of the templates, the pneumatic clamps, and two of the proscale DROs, for the x and z axes. It will take months to get here though (Australia).

?So I’ve made the decision to pay more for the MR over the Panto. Why?

I’ve used (briefly) both MR and Panto. They both do the same thing, like a standard car and a prestige car. But there’s key differences:

Grab any part of the Panto and give it a good tug and it flexes. MR has no flex. That’s the deal breaker right there for me. No need to keep reading.?

Panto has plastic templates. MR has aluminium. I like old heavier machines. Heavy really is better and I don’t see plastic templates lasting 10, 20, 30 or 50 years.?

Panto has tapered templates which are spruiked as a superior design because you can dial in the fit. I disagree. Such a design guarantees one or more test setups. I’d prefer it just fits like on the MR.?

Panto used to have a big edge when it comes to dust extraction. MR now has dust extraction. I do not know which is more efficient.?

Does the Panto have DRO solutions? Pneumatic clamp solutions? MR does and both of those options are very reasonably priced (in my opinion).

Panto is significantly cheaper. That’s all it’s got going for it. Ok, that’s my opinion. I’d love to hear from Panto and MR owners if I’ve misrepresented the features of each machine.

I seriously considered buying neither and going with something much smarter (Shaper Origin, CNC machine, etc.). But I make one-off or very small run items and I like designing on the fly. I’ve bought the MR specifically and only to make compound angle joinery. For chairs, benches, small tables, etc. For that purpose it’s the best and fastest machine for me and how I like to work. You may disagree. I’m good with that.?

This is a useful conversation. Thank you all.?



Warm regards,
David Lucky

Dr David Luckensmeyer

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Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder/Hammer setup in a small space
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Hi David,

Just curious why you made this comment?? I’m considering getting a panto-router as well, there’s seems to be near unanimous praise for it.

Is there something deficient or lacking?? Aside from having a dedicated shaper/CNC router, etc…

I realize it’s a multitool but seems to be very well built.? Appreciate your feedback.

Thanks
Branden

> On Mar 10, 2022, at 2:03 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
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>> I ended up with the PantoRouter
>> Dave Davies
>
> Entry-level consumer products can often serve as excellent learning platforms.
>
> David Best
>
>
>
>






Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

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No.


Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:02 PM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:

I'd be interested. I have an older K700, though. Have the inserts stayed the same?

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 5:12 PM Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?

Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?

If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.

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On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:57 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.

I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.

Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.

If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022



Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

I'd be interested. I have an older K700, though. Have the inserts stayed the same?


On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 5:12 PM Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?

Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?

If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.



On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:57 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.

I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.

Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.

If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022

Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

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When I had the k700 the first pic is how i did it.?
The second is the k940 and you can see i just leave the left open, The only time its an issue is short thin strips drop in but the don’t go flying. If i was to do the k700 again I would just leave it open






Regards, Mark

On Mar 11, 2022, at 8:12 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:

?
I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?

Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?

If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.



On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:57 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.

I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.

Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.

If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022

Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

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I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?

Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?

If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.



On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:57 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:

?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.

I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.

Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.

If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022

Re: Felder/Hammer setup in a small space

 

Hi David,

Just curious why you made this comment? I’m considering getting a panto-router as well, there’s seems to be near unanimous praise for it.

Is there something deficient or lacking? Aside from having a dedicated shaper/CNC router, etc…

I realize it’s a multitool but seems to be very well built. Appreciate your feedback.

Thanks
Branden

On Mar 10, 2022, at 2:03 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:


I ended up with the PantoRouter
Dave Davies
Entry-level consumer products can often serve as excellent learning platforms.

David Best



Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.

I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.

Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.

If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

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Hi Dan,

Looks good. ?What are you looking to get for them?

Thx,

Wade

On Mar 11, 2022, at 4:47 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:

?

Hey FOG, after 2 weeks of using my new saw I decided the stock inserts were no bueno! I had a chunk of 24” x 8” x 2” wenge on the shelf so decided to make a run of zero clearance inserts for my saw.?

I have 13 blanks made up so far and installed one today to make sure the fit and finish was good before finishing the rest of them.?

I’m considering mass producing these inserts, is there any interest from fellow k700s owners (other applicable saws) to purchase these inserts??

Let me know below!?
Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts

 

Hey FOG, after 2 weeks of using my new saw I decided the stock inserts were no bueno! I had a chunk of 24” x 8” x 2” wenge on the shelf so decided to make a run of zero clearance inserts for my saw.?

I have 13 blanks made up so far and installed one today to make sure the fit and finish was good before finishing the rest of them.?

I’m considering mass producing these inserts, is there any interest from fellow k700s owners (other applicable saws) to purchase these inserts??

Let me know below!?

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Re: Fritz and Fran jigs

 

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 06:54 AM, Mark Kessler wrote:
How is that used to cut small pieces, like cross-cutting a 1”x1”x 2” long piece (i have cut them smaller than that - Not seeing it, David Bedrosian ff or ones like it are perfect for that. ?Suppose its good for tapers but you really only need a flip stop and parallel guide like what Brian or Felder makes or a diy.?
Mark, I have not had the need to cut 1"x1"x2" stock. Or smaller. However, I can accurately - and securely, safely - rip pieces 1" wide x whatever length you choose. Below are sections 2" wide, in a repeated cut against the parallel guide fence (which can be set accurately to depth) ...





This works very well for tapers as well.


Keep in mind that this is a short stroke K3, with the crosscut fence at the near end. My set up may not work for others. I build furniture in solid wood (only), and this arrangement works best for me.

Regards from Perth

Derek
Re: #Adding Wireless Switches to the X-Roll Slider #adding

 

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?Thanks Jacques, Sang and you too Mark K.

Hope it helps anyone who wants to go wireless. Fairly easy to basically adapt to any machine.

I did not include this in the writeup but the receiver input is good for 11-24VDC and output relays are rated for 10A max for 24VDC or 120VAC.

Imran

On Mar 11, 2022, at 11:26 AM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote:

?Nice write up.

This work makes me hopeful that I can tap into the control signals for my Power Drive to manage both height and tilt and their digital readouts remotely.

Probably some digital interpretation that needs to be done, but again, hopeful since.?

Re: #rfp - Random Friday Photo - March 11, 2022 #rfp

 

You guys are too funny ?
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
Re: #rfp - Random Friday Photo - March 11, 2022 #rfp

 

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and you got too much time on your hand. you should come over and help me hang the door.

Imran

On Mar 11, 2022, at 4:19 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:

?And now this: ?Imran in Mauve.


David Best

On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:10 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

This is what happens if you don’t get Mauve PF wheels David Best recommends ?

Imran
Re: #rfp - Random Friday Photo - March 11, 2022 #rfp

 

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David, Finally we agree what mauve is but I like my original better ?



Imran

On Mar 11, 2022, at 4:19 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:

?And now this: ?Imran in Mauve.


David Best

On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:10 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

This is what happens if you don’t get Mauve PF wheels David Best recommends ?

Imran
Re: #rfp - Random Friday Photo - March 11, 2022 #rfp

 

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ROTFLMAO


Mark Foster

On Mar 11, 2022, at 1:19 PM, david@... via <david@...> wrote:

And now this: ?Imran in Mauve.

<Imran in Mauve.jpg>
David Best

On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:10 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

This is what happens if you don’t get Mauve PF wheels David Best recommends ?
<image0.jpeg>

Imran



--
Mark Foster
Re: #rfp - Random Friday Photo - March 11, 2022 #rfp

 

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And now this: ?Imran in Mauve.


David Best

On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:10 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

This is what happens if you don’t get Mauve PF wheels David Best recommends ?

Imran
Re: #rfp - Random Friday Photo - March 11, 2022 #rfp

 

Hahha...

I think if I just rotated my CNC router head 90 degrees and shrank it about 70% I could actually make it a serious competitor to the Panto or Multi :)

Here's the setup right now:
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