Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts
I ordered a zero clearance insert with my K700 that is coming in next month. Based on what I am hearing, I would also be interested in purchasing one of these inserts. My saw will not have a scoring blade.
Ed Cohen? E. Cohen Designs?
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 8:43 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: ?Me too.?
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So how much moolah does one need to shell out for this engineering marvel?
Nice work, Tim. If I'm reading your photos correctly, it looks you ripped the board and both ends are within 0.001". That's what I like to see.
David
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Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts
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Nice work, Tim. If I'm reading your photos correctly, it looks you ripped the board and both ends are within 0.001". That's what I like to see.
David
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Unleaded I guess. Not sure. ?
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
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What does his jig run?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:44 PM Tim House < casabueno@...> wrote:
I just installed David's F&F Jig on my K 3. I cut a reference?block and set both stops at 3 inches. Photos of the test cut attached. Needs a slight adjustment as my reference block was off by a few thousands but the accuracy is obvious.
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On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:44 PM Tim House < casabueno@...> wrote: I just installed David's F&F Jig on my K 3. I cut a reference?block and set both stops at 3 inches. Photos of the test cut attached. Needs a slight adjustment as my reference block was off by a few thousands but the accuracy is obvious.
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Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts
I'd also be interested in buying a couple of the wenge inserts!
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 9:52 PM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: Here are a couple photos of John’s ZCI, different color but same quality product.
Mark Foster
Renzetti’s system was designed for the earlier 700-series machines.? I’m not clear when Felder made the switch to the newer more-friendly throat plate platform on the 700.
On Mar 11, 2022, at 6:54 PM, Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote:
John Renzetti who is a founding member here sells very nice ZCI’s this series saw. His are made from Garolite.
Mark Foster? ? Dan, is there going to be a riving knife slot?
Wade On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:12 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?
Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?
If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.
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?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.
I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.
Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.
If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
-- Mark Foster
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Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts
Here are a couple photos of John’s ZCI, different color but same quality product.
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Renzetti’s system was designed for the earlier 700-series machines. ?I’m not clear when Felder made the switch to the newer more-friendly throat plate platform on the 700.
On Mar 11, 2022, at 6:54 PM, Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote:
John Renzetti who is a founding member here sells very nice ZCI’s this series saw. His are made from Garolite.
Mark Foster? ? Dan, is there going to be a riving knife slot?
Wade On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:12 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?
Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?
If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.
<image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>
?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.
I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.
Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.
If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
-- Mark Foster
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Mark Foster
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I just installed David's F&F Jig on my K 3. I cut a reference?block and set both stops at 3 inches. Photos of the test cut attached. Needs a slight adjustment as my reference block was off by a few thousands but the accuracy is obvious.
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Re: Felder/Hammer setup in a small space
Thanks for the clarification James. You make a good point. On reflection, I meant the table. I regret not being more precise:
Grab the table of the Panto and give it a good tug and it flexes.
And while not super man, I am uncommonly strong. ?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
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Lucky said :? Grab any part of the Panto and give it a good tug and it flexes.
Well, I have to say this statement is not true.?
The PantoRouter's?base is cast aluminum, it is not as thick as MR's base, but it certainly does not flex under manpower, unless you are the superman.?
The 16mm diameter stainless steel shaft and aluminum extrusion table do not flex either.
James
Lucky did an excellent job conveying my sentiments.? I’ve owned the Multirouter for almost 20 years and it is a rock solid piece of equipment.? Now that Woodpecker has picked it up, started doing some enhancements and is supporting the system,
I have no reservations recommending the Multirouter. ?
My issue with the Panto is the build quality.? Every time I’ve come in contact with the Panto I have the same reaction - that it’s a significantly lighter duty machine, built to a price point, and just not up to my standards.? Plus I very much appreciate
the pneumatic clamps and DRO. Obviously the Panto works and fills a need, but it’s in a different league - like the difference between a Hammer and a Format 4 saw.?
There are some aspects of the Panto design I do like better than the MR. ?The Panto has a much more hobbyist-friendly friendly template system for things like dovetails.?
In fact, if I lacked the skills to hand-cut dovetails, and were looking for a dovetail machining setup, I’d probably pick the Panto over the Porter Cable (and?derivatives), the Keller, the Leigh D4R Pro, the Woodrat,
or the Shaper Origin.
On Mar 11, 2022, at 6:06 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
Not the David your asking, but I just purchased a multi router with most of the templates, the pneumatic clamps, and two of the proscale
DROs, for the x and z axes. It will take months to get here though (Australia).
?So I’ve made the decision to pay more for the MR over the Panto. Why?
I’ve used (briefly) both MR and Panto. They both do the same thing, like a standard car and a prestige car. But there’s key differences:
Grab any part of the Panto and give it a good tug and it flexes. MR has no flex. That’s the deal breaker right there for me. No need to keep reading.?
Panto has plastic templates. MR has aluminium. I like old heavier machines. Heavy really is better and I don’t see plastic templates lasting 10, 20, 30 or 50 years.?
Panto has tapered templates which are spruiked as a superior design because you can dial in the fit. I disagree. Such a design guarantees one or more test setups. I’d prefer it just fits like on the MR.?
Panto used to have a big edge when it comes to dust extraction. MR now has dust extraction. I do not know which is more efficient.?
Does the Panto have DRO solutions? Pneumatic clamp solutions? MR does and both of those options are very reasonably priced (in my opinion).
Panto is significantly cheaper. That’s all it’s got going for it. Ok, that’s my opinion. I’d love to hear from Panto and MR owners if I’ve misrepresented the features of each machine.
I seriously considered buying neither and going with something much smarter (Shaper Origin, CNC machine, etc.). But I make one-off or very small run items and I like designing on the fly. I’ve bought
the MR specifically and only to make compound angle joinery. For chairs, benches, small tables, etc. For that purpose it’s the best and fastest machine for me and how I like to work. You may disagree. I’m good with that.?
This is a useful conversation. Thank you all.?
Warm regards,
David Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Hi David,
Just curious why you made this comment?? I’m considering getting a panto-router as well, there’s seems to be near unanimous praise for it.
Is there something deficient or lacking?? Aside from having a dedicated shaper/CNC router, etc…
I realize it’s a multitool but seems to be very well built.? Appreciate your feedback.
Thanks
Branden
> On Mar 10, 2022, at 2:03 AM,
david@... via < david@...> wrote:
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>> I ended up with the PantoRouter
>> Dave Davies
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> Entry-level consumer products can often serve as excellent learning platforms.
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> David Best
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Re: Felder/Hammer setup in a small space
Lucky said :? Grab any part of the Panto and give it a good tug and it flexes.
Well, I have to say this statement is not true.?
The PantoRouter's?base is cast aluminum, it is not as thick as MR's base, but it certainly does not flex under manpower, unless you are the superman.? The 16mm diameter stainless steel shaft and aluminum extrusion table do not flex either.
James
Lucky did an excellent job conveying my sentiments.? I’ve owned the Multirouter for almost 20 years and it is a rock solid piece of equipment.? Now that Woodpecker has picked it up, started doing some enhancements and is supporting the system, I have no reservations recommending the Multirouter. ?
My issue with the Panto is the build quality.? Every time I’ve come in contact with the Panto I have the same reaction - that it’s a significantly lighter duty machine, built to a price point, and just not up to my standards.? Plus I very much appreciate the pneumatic clamps and DRO. Obviously the Panto works and fills a need, but it’s in a different league - like the difference between a Hammer and a Format 4 saw.?
There are some aspects of the Panto design I do like better than the MR. ?The Panto has a much more hobbyist-friendly friendly template system for things like dovetails.? In fact, if I lacked the skills to hand-cut dovetails, and were looking for a dovetail machining setup, I’d probably pick the Panto over the Porter Cable (and?derivatives), the Keller, the Leigh D4R Pro, the Woodrat, or the Shaper Origin.
On Mar 11, 2022, at 6:06 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
Not the David your asking, but I just purchased a multi router with most of the templates, the pneumatic clamps, and two of the proscale DROs, for the x and z axes. It will take months to get here though (Australia).
?So I’ve made the decision to pay more for the MR over the Panto. Why?
I’ve used (briefly) both MR and Panto. They both do the same thing, like a standard car and a prestige car. But there’s key differences:
Grab any part of the Panto and give it a good tug and it flexes. MR has no flex. That’s the deal breaker right there for me. No need to keep reading.?
Panto has plastic templates. MR has aluminium. I like old heavier machines. Heavy really is better and I don’t see plastic templates lasting 10, 20, 30 or 50 years.?
Panto has tapered templates which are spruiked as a superior design because you can dial in the fit. I disagree. Such a design guarantees one or more test setups. I’d prefer it just fits like on the MR.?
Panto used to have a big edge when it comes to dust extraction. MR now has dust extraction. I do not know which is more efficient.?
Does the Panto have DRO solutions? Pneumatic clamp solutions? MR does and both of those options are very reasonably priced (in my opinion).
Panto is significantly cheaper. That’s all it’s got going for it. Ok, that’s my opinion. I’d love to hear from Panto and MR owners if I’ve misrepresented the features of each machine.
I seriously considered buying neither and going with something much smarter (Shaper Origin, CNC machine, etc.). But I make one-off or very small run items and I like designing on the fly. I’ve bought the MR specifically and only to make compound angle joinery.
For chairs, benches, small tables, etc. For that purpose it’s the best and fastest machine for me and how I like to work. You may disagree. I’m good with that.?
This is a useful conversation. Thank you all.?
Warm regards,
David Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Hi David,
Just curious why you made this comment?? I’m considering getting a panto-router as well, there’s seems to be near unanimous praise for it.
Is there something deficient or lacking?? Aside from having a dedicated shaper/CNC router, etc…
I realize it’s a multitool but seems to be very well built.? Appreciate your feedback.
Thanks
Branden
> On Mar 10, 2022, at 2:03 AM, david@... via < david@...> wrote:
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>> I ended up with the PantoRouter
>> Dave Davies
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> Entry-level consumer products can often serve as excellent learning platforms.
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> David Best
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Re: Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...
Jason, did he setup the platen for the 180g and then have you just remove it when not using 180g. I ask because I have heard that it is difficult to dial in the right height without a lot of trial and error so it is easier to get it dialed in to the chosen grit leave the setting and remove the platen when using other courser grits where its not needed/desired.?
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On Mar 11, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? Chris Peterson from Comprehensive repair was here working on my SCM Sandya 5 yesterday. It's been remarkably trouble free for the 5+ years I've owned it. He dressed my conveyor belt to expose new grippier rubber, replaced felt and graphite on the platen and made some minor adjustments. Before he left we put on a 180 grit belt and ran a piece of walnut veneer on MDF sheet stock through it. It leaves great finish and didn't burn through anywhere. I'm a happy camper.
Chris says he thinks the best sander out there and the one he likes working on the most is a Viet. Biesse reps them here in the states. He is not at all shy about giving you a list of machines to avoid. My old sander was a Ramco, and he'd be swearing the second he walked in the door.
Jason Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts
Renzetti’s system was designed for the earlier 700-series machines. ?I’m not clear when Felder made the switch to the newer more-friendly throat plate platform on the 700.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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On Mar 11, 2022, at 6:54 PM, Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote:
John Renzetti who is a founding member here sells very nice ZCI’s this series saw. His are made from Garolite.
Mark Foster? ? Dan, is there going to be a riving knife slot?
Wade On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:12 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?
Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?
If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.
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?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.
I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.
Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.
If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
-- Mark Foster
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Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts
Mark’s saw is a 940 and has a completely different throat setup where the ZCI attaches. ?His saw is the same platform as my Kappa 400 and does not natively come with a system to mount a conventional throat plate. ?A new mounting platform has to be installed for a ZCI setup on our machines. ?I make mine out of anodized aluminum, Mark used a 3D printer to make his. ?That system looks like this.
 ? More details can be found here: ? ? Leveling the throat plate is done in a different manner than using jack screws like are required on the 700-series machines. ?
I am heartened that the new versions of the 700-series have a throat setup that makes implementing a ZCI plate without having a CNC mill. ?That’s a terrific improvement over the older design.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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On Mar 11, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Mark did you laminate that strip to the edge and then cut the bevel? The way you did it on the new saw looks fine actually. Zero clearance is more important on the right side anyway so little pieces done get sucked in there or blow up in the process.? Those little height adjustment screws were a pita to adjust level with the top.. seems better to just make a piece the thickness of the recess and call it a day.? On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? No.
On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:02 PM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
I'd be interested. I have an older K700, though. Have the inserts stayed the same? On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 5:12 PM Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote: I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?
Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?
If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.
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?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.
I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.
Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.
If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
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Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts
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On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 6:04 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: No.
On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:02 PM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
I'd be interested. I have an older K700, though. Have the inserts stayed the same? On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 5:12 PM Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote: I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?
Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?
If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.
<image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>
?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.
I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.
Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.
If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
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Re: Felder/Hammer setup in a small space
Lucky did an excellent job conveying my sentiments. ?I’ve owned the Multirouter for almost 20 years and it is a rock solid piece of equipment. ?Now that Woodpecker has picked it up, started doing some enhancements and is supporting the system, I have no reservations recommending the Multirouter. ?
My issue with the Panto is the build quality. ?Every time I’ve come in contact with the Panto I have the same reaction - that it’s a significantly lighter duty machine, built to a price point, and just not up to my standards. ?Plus I very much appreciate the pneumatic clamps and DRO. Obviously the Panto works and fills a need, but it’s in a different league - like the difference between a Hammer and a Format 4 saw.?
There are some aspects of the Panto design I do like better than the MR. ?The Panto has a much more hobbyist-friendly friendly template system for things like dovetails.? In fact, if I lacked the skills to hand-cut dovetails, and were looking for a dovetail machining setup, I’d probably pick the Panto over the Porter Cable (and?derivatives), the Keller, the Leigh D4R Pro, the Woodrat, or the Shaper Origin.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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On Mar 11, 2022, at 6:06 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
Not the David your asking, but I just purchased a multi router with most of the templates, the pneumatic clamps, and two of the proscale DROs, for the x and z axes. It will take months to get here though (Australia).
?So I’ve made the decision to pay more for the MR over the Panto. Why?
I’ve used (briefly) both MR and Panto. They both do the same thing, like a standard car and a prestige car. But there’s key differences:
Grab any part of the Panto and give it a good tug and it flexes. MR has no flex. That’s the deal breaker right there for me. No need to keep reading.?
Panto has plastic templates. MR has aluminium. I like old heavier machines. Heavy really is better and I don’t see plastic templates lasting 10, 20, 30 or 50 years.?
Panto has tapered templates which are spruiked as a superior design because you can dial in the fit. I disagree. Such a design guarantees one or more test setups. I’d prefer it just fits like on the MR.?
Panto used to have a big edge when it comes to dust extraction. MR now has dust extraction. I do not know which is more efficient.?
Does the Panto have DRO solutions? Pneumatic clamp solutions? MR does and both of those options are very reasonably priced (in my opinion).
Panto is significantly cheaper. That’s all it’s got going for it. Ok, that’s my opinion. I’d love to hear from Panto and MR owners if I’ve misrepresented the features of each machine.
I seriously considered buying neither and going with something much smarter (Shaper Origin, CNC machine, etc.). But I make one-off or very small run items and I like designing on the fly. I’ve bought the MR specifically and only to make compound angle joinery.
For chairs, benches, small tables, etc. For that purpose it’s the best and fastest machine for me and how I like to work. You may disagree. I’m good with that.?
This is a useful conversation. Thank you all.?
Warm regards,
David Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Hi David,
Just curious why you made this comment?? I’m considering getting a panto-router as well, there’s seems to be near unanimous praise for it.
Is there something deficient or lacking?? Aside from having a dedicated shaper/CNC router, etc…
I realize it’s a multitool but seems to be very well built.? Appreciate your feedback.
Thanks
Branden
> On Mar 10, 2022, at 2:03 AM, david@... via < david@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> I ended up with the PantoRouter
>> Dave Davies
>
> Entry-level consumer products can often serve as excellent learning platforms.
>
> David Best
>
>
>
>
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Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts
Dan, I did laminate a strip to the edge then cut the bevel using the F&F. It was pretty strong and not nearly as week as without it but i just wouldn’t bother with it. It also makes the blade change a small pia…?
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On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:42 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? Mark did you laminate that strip to the edge and then cut the bevel? The way you did it on the new saw looks fine actually. Zero clearance is more important on the right side anyway so little pieces done get sucked in there or blow up in the process.? Those little height adjustment screws were a pita to adjust level with the top.. seems better to just make a piece the thickness of the recess and call it a day.? On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? No.
On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:02 PM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
I'd be interested. I have an older K700, though. Have the inserts stayed the same? On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 5:12 PM Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote: I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?
Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?
If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.
<image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>
?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.
I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.
Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.
If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
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Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts
Lots of pics in this thread too. Having used my version, which is made of Garolite, I would agree with the others that the little beveled section underneath the slider is not very useful. After sometime, it broke loose. It's a pretty weak connection to the ZCI and I expect that's why the Felder plastic version omits this as well.?
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Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts
Mark Foster,
Do you know where I can see those too?
Thx,
Wade
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On Mar 11, 2022, at 6:54 PM, Mark Foster <mfsta2lt@...> wrote:
? John Renzetti who is a founding member here sells very nice ZCI’s this series saw. His are made from Garolite.
Mark Foster? On Mar 11, 2022, at 18:49, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Dan, is there going to be a riving knife slot?
Wade On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:12 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?
Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?
If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.
On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:57 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.
I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.
Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.
If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
-- Mark Foster
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Re: Felder K700S (and others) Wenge Zero Clearance Inserts
John Renzetti who is a founding member here sells very nice ZCI’s this series saw. His are made from Garolite.
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Show quoted text
On Mar 11, 2022, at 18:49, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Dan, is there going to be a riving knife slot?
Wade On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:12 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? I’ve seen Ramon’s inserts, they look great! I like what he does by routing out the bottom to allow for a thicker insert. However, I chose to go with a simpler approach for now.?
Here’s a few more pics (with one coat of butcher block oil.) I left the insert just shy of 1 5/8” wide, this leaves about a 1/16th gap from the sliding table but one can also trim the insert to width as desired of course. Doing it this way makes sense so that I wouldn’t have a thin piece of wood flapping in the breeze.?
If there’s a little demand, I’d consider making the next batch reinforced by doing a laminated glueup to build up the thickness on the bottom. Will have to see how these hood up in the mean time.?These are just under 3/8” or 9.5” ml thickness. I’m thinking around $30 a piece plus shipping would cover my material costs and shop labor.
On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:57 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
?After a week it sure seems like the stock insert leaves something to be desired.
I just wonder how well a wooden insert will hold up, particularly the part between the blade and the table. That may not matter much, as the offcuts I am losing are on the other side of the blade.
Ramon Valdez makes some zero clearance inserts for 500 series saws but they are thicker, probably to strengthen the left side. The thickness means there is a lot of milling on the bottom surface.
If you ran some of these, what would you charge?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
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Mark Foster
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