Re: AD941 - Offloading from pallet
I just unloaded an AD941 at my shop. I rented a forklift with extended forks of 6'. This made it super easy as both forks can go underneath the frame with no need to use the bolts. You don't need to wrestle the unit off the pallet this way.?
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Re: 3 phase power plugs/outlets
Believe it or not, 3 phase is the same everywhere on earth, even upside down in Australia.? ?It has three "phase" (current carrying) wires.
Sometimes machines also require single phase power, which is what requires a "neutral" wire.? ?You get single phase between the neutral and one of the 3P legs.
For example, I have a machine that has three 3P 240V motors, and one 120V 50 watt light bulb, and thus requires 5 wire system (3 phase, 1 neutral, 1 grounding).? A better design is probably to just use a 240V light bulb.??
Whether a machine requires 120V is unrelated to whether it is "dumb".? You can power "smart" electronics from a 3 phase supply.? It's a design choice.
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On Jun 26, 2023, at 4:07 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
? And the drawers and knobs.? Mike King NERA Economic Consulting +1 303 618-4915 On Jun 26, 2023, at 3:20 PM, Kerryj_smith <kerry@...> wrote:
?I use Fusion 360 for furniture design -- it's great for testing dimensions, scale, concepts, etc. And because it's parametric I can set up certain items that are popular so that I can just change the dimensions and have a fresh drawing/design in seconds. I have not yet used the CAM function but it is available for output to 3D printers or CNC machines. For cabinetry, I use Mosaik because it's optimized for CNC and it's just a lot easier. I also use Vectric for other CNC projects. But Fusion has been by far the program that is the most versatile and if you have to show things to clients, you really can't beat it for 3D realistic renderings.
As for training, I've tried everything -- Youtube videos, Udemy classes, etc. I think the video that David Best did of the cabinet with the drawer slides was excellent, so count me in the DB video fan club should he do more (please do more David).
I have also subscribed to the Product Design Online??which has a bunch of online courses on using Fusion for woodworking. It's the best I've found of anything geared to woodworkers, and I've tried them all.
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Gotham Woodworks
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And the drawers and knobs.? Mike King NERA Economic Consulting +1 303 618-4915
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On Jun 26, 2023, at 3:20 PM, Kerryj_smith <kerry@...> wrote:
?I use Fusion 360 for furniture design -- it's great for testing dimensions, scale, concepts, etc. And because it's parametric I can set up certain items that are popular so that I can just change the dimensions and have a fresh drawing/design in seconds. I have not yet used the CAM function but it is available for output to 3D printers or CNC machines. For cabinetry, I use Mosaik because it's optimized for CNC and it's just a lot easier. I also use Vectric for other CNC projects. But Fusion has been by far the program that is the most versatile and if you have to show things to clients, you really can't beat it for 3D realistic renderings.
As for training, I've tried everything -- Youtube videos, Udemy classes, etc. I think the video that David Best did of the cabinet with the drawer slides was excellent, so count me in the DB video fan club should he do more (please do more David).
I have also subscribed to the Product Design Online??which has a bunch of online courses on using Fusion for woodworking. It's the best I've found of anything geared to woodworkers, and I've tried them all.
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Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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Re: 3 phase power plugs/outlets
I have the five pin variety here at home, as Mac mentions, all are 32A. The only time I have seen the neutral used was in a single phase light installed on an otherwise three phase machine. 4 pin seems to be a more common connection.?
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Re: 3 phase power plugs/outlets
Hi PK,
Good to know! Thank you.?
EE is a long way above my pay grade!
My degrees are artsy philosophical/historical based. Good for conversation and beers around the campfire. Not good for electrical wiring in the shop! ?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
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David,
I am no electrician (Although I am an EE and play an electrician on YouTube) 3 phase in the US is 4 conductors total.? The three phases and a ground.? In europe it is 5 conductors?
Anyway, no common in 3ph in the US that I am aware of.
PK
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I use Fusion 360 for furniture design -- it's great for testing dimensions, scale, concepts, etc. And because it's parametric I can set up certain items that are popular so that I can just change the dimensions and have a fresh drawing/design in seconds. I have not yet used the CAM function but it is available for output to 3D printers or CNC machines. For cabinetry, I use Mosaik because it's optimized for CNC and it's just a lot easier. I also use Vectric for other CNC projects. But Fusion has been by far the program that is the most versatile and if you have to show things to clients, you really can't beat it for 3D realistic renderings.
As for training, I've tried everything -- Youtube videos, Udemy classes, etc. I think the video that David Best did of the cabinet with the drawer slides was excellent, so count me in the DB video fan club should he do more (please do more David).
I have also subscribed to the Product Design Online??which has a bunch of online courses on using Fusion for woodworking. It's the best I've found of anything geared to woodworkers, and I've tried them all.
--
Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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Re: 3 phase power plugs/outlets
David,
I am no electrician (Although I am an EE and play an electrician on YouTube) 3 phase in the US is 4 conductors total.? The three phases and a ground.? In europe it is 5 conductors?
Anyway, no common in 3ph in the US that I am aware of.
PK
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Re: 3 phase power plugs/outlets
I¡¯m puzzled by the consensus that the neutral is not used. My x-motion machines (Kappa 400 and Profil 45Z) and my big Format-4 wide belt sander all require the fifth (neutral) pin. ¡°Dumb¡± machines like a drill press, bandsaw, lathe, etc., with
no real electronics and just a main motor, require the 4 pin variety only. Is this a USA versus Australia thing, or am I missing something else here?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
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Surface mounted conduit and plug boxes are the way to go for me. ?I have ¡°pull¡± boxes up in my attic each containing 20,30,40, amp power. I can drop any power size any where I need it. Sure saves a lot of headache.?
Wade
On Jun 26, 2023, at 11:17 AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
?Also consider burying everything in the walls where you can¡¯t get at it again without tearing the walls apart. Lol?
I would say Brett¡¯s way is the safe way 10/4 so cord drops ?would suggest using 30 amp for all much easier to not screw with 16 and than 30 amp. Standardize, standardize standardize ?
Mac,,
Designing and building for 50 years
On Jun 26, 2023, at 1:01 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
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Aaron,?
Consider 12/4 SOOW from a strain-relieved terminal?hardwired/structurally secure box on the ceiling and drop toward floor, then end that with L16-30R twistlocks. Then the machines have L16-30P twistlocks and it works great for plugging?in , disconnecting
for safety, and flexibility when it's needed to move around the shop floor or make the drop happen in just the perfect spot, independent of the walls. That extra euro wire is not connected to anything, just 3 220v hots and the ground conductor. Also makes
it easier to swap machines around when all the plugs are compatible, wherever they are located.
On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 12:27?PM Aaron Inami < ainami@...> wrote:
Hi all,
For those who have 3-phase Felder and Minimax equipment, what plugs/outlets are you using??? Does your equipment work fine with the L16-30P plugs and L15-30 outlets?? (those are 3 hot plus 1 ground conductors).?? Or does the Felder/Minimax equipment require
a 5-wire connection with both ground and neutral conductors?
-Aaron
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Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
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That¡¯s a bit pretty Mike! I hope you share more pics when you¡¯re done. Thanks for the update!?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
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I thought some might be interested in the progress on my North Bennett Street inspired tool chest. I¡¯m fitting the lid at the moment.?
Mike King
NERA Economic Consulting
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On Jul 8, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Shinta Wakahisa via groups.io <vnh84@...> wrote:
?David,
Thank you for the lesson.? I watched your posted episode and learned new skills with Fusion 360, which I have been using for a few weeks to see if I want to switch to it from Sketchup.? So far, I like the parametric functionality.? I look forward to your coming
tutorials.??
SW
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I thought some might be interested in the progress on my North Bennett Street inspired tool chest. I¡¯m fitting the lid at the moment.?
 Mike King NERA Economic Consulting +1 303 618-4915
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On Jul 8, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Shinta Wakahisa via groups.io <vnh84@...> wrote:
?David,
Thank you for the lesson.? I watched your posted episode and learned new skills with Fusion 360, which I have been using for a few weeks to see if I want to switch to it from Sketchup.? So far, I like the parametric functionality.? I look forward to your coming tutorials.??
SW
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Re: 3 phase power plugs/outlets
Surface mounted conduit and plug boxes are the way to go for me. ?I have ¡°pull¡± boxes up in my attic each containing 20,30,40, amp power. I can drop any power size any where I need it. Sure saves a lot of headache.?
Wade
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On Jun 26, 2023, at 11:17 AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Also consider burying everything in the walls where you can¡¯t get at it again without tearing the walls apart. Lol? I would say Brett¡¯s way is the safe way 10/4 so cord drops ?would suggest using 30 amp for all much easier to not screw with 16 and than 30 amp. Standardize, standardize standardize ? Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On Jun 26, 2023, at 1:01 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Aaron,?
Consider 12/4 SOOW from a strain-relieved terminal?hardwired/structurally secure box on the ceiling and drop toward floor, then end that with L16-30R twistlocks. Then the machines have L16-30P twistlocks and it works great for plugging?in , disconnecting for safety, and flexibility when it's needed to move around the shop floor or make the drop happen in just the perfect spot, independent of the walls. That extra euro wire is not connected to anything, just 3 220v hots and the ground conductor. Also makes it easier to swap machines around when all the plugs are compatible, wherever they are located. On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 12:27?PM Aaron Inami < ainami@...> wrote: Hi all,
For those who have 3-phase Felder and Minimax equipment, what plugs/outlets are you using??? Does your equipment work fine with the L16-30P plugs and L15-30 outlets?? (those are 3 hot plus 1 ground conductors).?? Or does the Felder/Minimax equipment require a 5-wire connection with both ground and neutral conductors?
-Aaron
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: 3 phase power plugs/outlets
Generally the neutral can be omitted?in 3-phase delta or wye setups IF there is no intermediate voltage leg, and usually there is not with straight induction motor circuits like woodworking machines. Always consult with manufacturer what is important, however, I've never seen a neutral leg in use. My widebelt sander has sophisticated PLC,multiple VFDs, all kinds of on/off and variable voltage switches and? controls, a 5-wire connection on the terminal block going in (it's 480v) and the neutral terminal is literally wired to nothing on the other side of the block.?
On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 1:29?PM Aaron Inami < ainami@...> wrote: Thanks for the clarifications on the plug naming standards.? What I really am asking is if the Felder/Minimax equipment is fine with just 3 hot + ground or if the Felder/Minimax 3-phase machines need both a ground and neutral wire.
-Aaron
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Forget brown nuetral Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jun 26, 2023, at 1:29 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?Thanks for the clarifications on the plug naming standards.? What I really am asking is if the Felder/Minimax equipment is fine with just 3 hot + ground or if the Felder/Minimax 3-phase machines need both a ground and neutral wire.
-Aaron
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Thanks for the clarifications on the plug naming standards.? What I really am asking is if the Felder/Minimax equipment is fine with just 3 hot + ground or if the Felder/Minimax 3-phase machines need both a ground and neutral wire.
-Aaron
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In mill shop I use Felder Euro style 30 amp with phase reversals 5 pine style? In machine shop use twist locks ?as Dave mentioned read the specifications!!!!! On end of plug. mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jun 26, 2023, at 1:17 PM, mac campshure <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Also consider burying everything in the walls where you can¡¯t get at it again without tearing the walls apart. Lol? I would say Brett¡¯s way is the safe way 10/4 so cord drops ?would suggest using 30 amp for all much easier to not screw with 16 and than 30 amp. Standardize, standardize standardize ? Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years On Jun 26, 2023, at 1:01 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Aaron,?
Consider 12/4 SOOW from a strain-relieved terminal?hardwired/structurally secure box on the ceiling and drop toward floor, then end that with L16-30R twistlocks. Then the machines have L16-30P twistlocks and it works great for plugging?in , disconnecting for safety, and flexibility when it's needed to move around the shop floor or make the drop happen in just the perfect spot, independent of the walls. That extra euro wire is not connected to anything, just 3 220v hots and the ground conductor. Also makes it easier to swap machines around when all the plugs are compatible, wherever they are located. On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 12:27?PM Aaron Inami < ainami@...> wrote: Hi all,
For those who have 3-phase Felder and Minimax equipment, what plugs/outlets are you using??? Does your equipment work fine with the L16-30P plugs and L15-30 outlets?? (those are 3 hot plus 1 ground conductors).?? Or does the Felder/Minimax equipment require a 5-wire connection with both ground and neutral conductors?
-Aaron
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Also consider burying everything in the walls where you can¡¯t get at it again without tearing the walls apart. Lol? I would say Brett¡¯s way is the safe way 10/4 so cord drops ?would suggest using 30 amp for all much easier to not screw with 16 and than 30 amp. Standardize, standardize standardize ? Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jun 26, 2023, at 1:01 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Aaron,?
Consider 12/4 SOOW from a strain-relieved terminal?hardwired/structurally secure box on the ceiling and drop toward floor, then end that with L16-30R twistlocks. Then the machines have L16-30P twistlocks and it works great for plugging?in , disconnecting for safety, and flexibility when it's needed to move around the shop floor or make the drop happen in just the perfect spot, independent of the walls. That extra euro wire is not connected to anything, just 3 220v hots and the ground conductor. Also makes it easier to swap machines around when all the plugs are compatible, wherever they are located. On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 12:27?PM Aaron Inami < ainami@...> wrote: Hi all,
For those who have 3-phase Felder and Minimax equipment, what plugs/outlets are you using??? Does your equipment work fine with the L16-30P plugs and L15-30 outlets?? (those are 3 hot plus 1 ground conductors).?? Or does the Felder/Minimax equipment require a 5-wire connection with both ground and neutral conductors?
-Aaron
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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L16-30 are 480v plugs.? L15-30 is what I run for any machines with less than 25 FLA.? Dave
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Aaron,?
Consider 12/4 SOOW from a strain-relieved terminal?hardwired/structurally secure box on the ceiling and drop toward floor, then end that with L16-30R twistlocks. Then the machines have L16-30P twistlocks and it works great for plugging?in , disconnecting
for safety, and flexibility when it's needed to move around the shop floor or make the drop happen in just the perfect spot, independent of the walls. That extra euro wire is not connected to anything, just 3 220v hots and the ground conductor. Also makes
it easier to swap machines around when all the plugs are compatible, wherever they are located.
On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 12:27?PM Aaron Inami < ainami@...> wrote:
Hi all,
For those who have 3-phase Felder and Minimax equipment, what plugs/outlets are you using??? Does your equipment work fine with the L16-30P plugs and L15-30 outlets?? (those are 3 hot plus 1 ground conductors).?? Or does the Felder/Minimax equipment require
a 5-wire connection with both ground and neutral conductors?
-Aaron
--
Brett Wissel
Saint Louis Restoration
1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd)
St Louis, MO 63110
314.772.2167
brett@...
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Re: 3 phase power plugs/outlets
Aaron,?
Consider 12/4 SOOW from a strain-relieved terminal?hardwired/structurally secure box on the ceiling and drop toward floor, then end that with L16-30R twistlocks. Then the machines have L16-30P twistlocks and it works great for plugging?in , disconnecting for safety, and flexibility when it's needed to move around the shop floor or make the drop happen in just the perfect spot, independent of the walls. That extra euro wire is not connected to anything, just 3 220v hots and the ground conductor. Also makes it easier to swap machines around when all the plugs are compatible, wherever they are located.
On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 12:27?PM Aaron Inami < ainami@...> wrote: Hi all,
For those who have 3-phase Felder and Minimax equipment, what plugs/outlets are you using??? Does your equipment work fine with the L16-30P plugs and L15-30 outlets?? (those are 3 hot plus 1 ground conductors).?? Or does the Felder/Minimax equipment require a 5-wire connection with both ground and neutral conductors?
-Aaron
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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3 phase power plugs/outlets
Hi all,
For those who have 3-phase Felder and Minimax equipment, what plugs/outlets are you using??? Does your equipment work fine with the L16-30P plugs and L15-30 outlets?? (those are 3 hot plus 1 ground conductors).?? Or does the Felder/Minimax equipment require a 5-wire connection with both ground and neutral conductors?
-Aaron
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David Luckensmeyer
Kerryj_smith
PK