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Re: Update on Martin T32 Jointer/Planer
L L N,
I am really busy, but it is on the docket at some point...
I have 2 other videos to process too...? And a shop to build...
I am workin on it.
PK
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I remember those and the original Point - Counterpoint on 60 Minutes was not far from the spoof.
We were not so sensitive then.
Thanks for the memories
Dave
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Now that ?¡¯s funny!!! ? ???
Wade
On May 15, 2023, at 1:56 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
?And so, it seems to have come to this:
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Re: N4400 bandsaw issues- follow up
I have had my N4400 for about 12 years now. It has always run smoothly, with one time as an exception. This was when a tyre began to slip about two years ago. I was changing a blade yesterday and was reminded of this time as I checked the tyres. Back then, the tyres needed to be replaced but I had a need for the bandsaw and could not wait for the tyre on order. So I used contact glue and stuck them down (they were not originally glued). When I checked them yesterday, the tyres were stick in excellent condition and firm on the wheels. I clean the surfaces with a scraper every time I change a blade, and so they are generally clean and smooth.
This N4400 runs ?so smoothly that it can be difficult to determine that it is running ¡. which can be dangerous. I have brushed a spinning blade¡
Regards from Perth
Derek
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Now that ?¡¯s funny!!! ? ???
Wade
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On May 15, 2023, at 1:56 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? And so, it seems to have come to this:
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Re: A3-31 setup and calibration
It relates to how far the blade holders end up holding the indexable blades above the diameter of the cutting head. I can¡¯t say the .020¡± is too much, but it does make the blade weaker and more prone to chatter sticking out further.
Brian Lamb
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On May 15, 2023, at 2:55 PM, Richard <rirving@...> wrote:
As I go back through re-calibrating my A3-31, I'm checking everything is setup correctly rather than just addressing the immediate problem. As I revisit the setup guide here: /g/felderownersgroup/files/Manuals%20&%20Drawings/Hammer%20Machine%20Setup%20Guide.pdfPage 74 calls for an overall height between cutterblock and outfeed table of between -.028" to -.036". This variance never mattered when I was setting up jointers with dovetail ways as far as I remember. So I am curious if anyone in this group knows if this really matters here? Mine is at -.053", so pretty far out of spec, but I'm trying to trace the logic of how reducing it by .02" is really going to help here.
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A3-31 setup and calibration
As I go back through re-calibrating my A3-31, I'm checking everything is setup correctly rather than just addressing the immediate problem. As I revisit the setup guide here: /g/felderownersgroup/files/Manuals%20&%20Drawings/Hammer%20Machine%20Setup%20Guide.pdfPage 74 calls for an overall height between cutterblock and outfeed table of between -.028" to -.036". This variance never mattered when I was setting up jointers with dovetail ways as far as I remember. So I am curious if anyone in this group knows if this really matters here? Mine is at -.053", so pretty far out of spec, but I'm trying to trace the logic of how reducing it by .02" is really going to help here.
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I¡¯m not sure what you mean in that respect, ¡°partisan¡± is a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; according to Webster¡¯s Dictionary. Regardless, TRboat came in with asking for recommendations and evidently didn¡¯t like the answers he was hearing, which basically turned into a discourse about Tersa vs. Individual inserted cutter heads.?
Trboat is on Practical Machinist and he evidently sliced his hand up pretty well, you can read the thread if you desire:
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I don¡¯t have either being the dinosaur I am, but if¡¯n I had a choice I think I would go Tersa as I can¡¯t see sitting and changing over 100 inserts on one cutterhead, too time consuming and prone to error with dirt and residue coming into play. But, I take all this back and forth as educational as like I said, I don¡¯t own either.
Brian Lamb
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On May 15, 2023, at 2:02 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
Hi Brian,
No worries. That¡¯s unfortunate. I¡¯m personally getting tired of David Sabo¡¯s rants. They are unnecessarily partisan. Just saying.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
TRboat is gone, he unsubscribed a little bit ago, so no need to converse further. Never seen anybody come and go in one day and manage to stir such a ruckus.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
On May 15, 2023, at 1:44 PM, David Sabo via groups.io <sabo_dave@...> wrote:
Um...no, not really.??
If I had said you were a nincompoop,? a retard, or a thin skinned coward - that would have been name calling.? Just like you're closing sentence.?
Saying your business / accounting choices lack
experience, wisdom, or judgment is not name calling.?? It may sting, or you may have taken offense at it, but my intention was not to be rude or derogatory.?? Clearly , yours was.
Kinda
like saying someone is ignorant.? It's often taken as an insult , but is not at it's core.? I'm completely ignorant when it comes to?Multivariable
Calculus and I'm pretty sure even my Calculus Professor is ignorant when it comes to the
Inter-universal Teichm¨¹ller theory. ? It's not insulting to say so.? Both of us could take the time learn the terms, concepts, and skills needed to work in those disciplines if we so chose. ?
It
seems you're used to everyone bowing at your alter and going along with what you say as gospel, only to cry foul and run off when someone dissents.? Your double standard isn't helping your case.
D
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 03:59:21 PM EDT, Trboat <trboatworks@...> wrote:
Calling someone ¡°Naive¡± is the definition of name calling.
Guys its been fun but I am out.
david sabo you are a real prick.
Hi Brian,
No worries. That¡¯s unfortunate. I¡¯m personally getting tired of David Sabo¡¯s rants. They are unnecessarily partisan. Just saying.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
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TRboat is gone, he unsubscribed a little bit ago, so no need to converse further. Never seen anybody come and go in one day and manage to stir such a ruckus.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
On May 15, 2023, at 1:44 PM, David Sabo via groups.io <sabo_dave@...> wrote:
Um...no, not really.??
If I had said you were a nincompoop,? a retard, or a thin skinned coward - that would have been name calling.? Just like you're closing sentence.?
Saying your business / accounting choices lack
experience, wisdom, or judgment is not name calling.?? It may sting, or you may have taken offense at it, but my intention was not to be rude or derogatory.?? Clearly , yours was.
Kinda
like saying someone is ignorant.? It's often taken as an insult , but is not at it's core.? I'm completely ignorant when it comes to?Multivariable
Calculus and I'm pretty sure even my Calculus Professor is ignorant when it comes to the
Inter-universal Teichm¨¹ller theory. ? It's not insulting to say so.? Both of us could take the time learn the terms, concepts, and skills needed to work in those disciplines if we so chose. ?
It
seems you're used to everyone bowing at your alter and going along with what you say as gospel, only to cry foul and run off when someone dissents.? Your double standard isn't helping your case.
D
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 03:59:21 PM EDT, Trboat <trboatworks@...> wrote:
Calling someone ¡°Naive¡± is the definition of name calling.
Guys its been fun but I am out.
david sabo you are a real prick.
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Wasn't meant to be relevant.? It was my attempt at humor.? Failed obviously.
D
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 04:48:04 PM EDT, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Mr. Sabo,
If, as it appears, your comments are in response to my post on this topic, then I fail to understand the relevance: - I was not advocating for Tersa over Segmented, or visa versa - just pointing out that if you can¡¯t buy replacement cutters, then the supposed advantage of one over the other may be an illusion.
- I am intimately familiar with carbide insert tooling, having written a very popular ?book on the topic: ?https://tinyurl.com/3mp56w8u
- I have owned a segmented head in a Dewalt planer, and have Tersa on my Dual 51. ?They each have their drawbacks and advantages, and I tend to see them the same way Dave Kumm does, and posted about earlier.
- My personal orientation is to buy highest quality, and only pay attention to price when the cost/benefit ration is clearly out of whack. ?So yes, I know cost isn¡¯t important to everyone.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On May 15, 2023, at 12:34 PM, David Sabo via groups.io <sabo_dave@...> wrote:
But did you know that it only takes a minute to rotate a segment ?? That's ifin it ain't stuck to cutterhead.
Did you also know that lots of places use segmented heads ?
Did you know that the USA's #1 Tersa advocate acknowledges that a segment head might be best? .....or mighten not.
Betcha didn't know that cost isn't important to everyone.? .....................right 
Lookin more like the briar patch instead of the weeds.
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 02:21:57 PM EDT, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
I like going into the weeds, so let me also add an additional factor to consider. ?For a number of years, the knives for the Tersa head were patient protected and thus available from few suppliers (like one) and the pricing reflected that fact. ?The Tersa patient has expired, availability is now close to commodity status (available on Amazon even), the inflation-adjusted prices have come down a bit, and newer versions of the knives have emerged with different steel alloys. ?
In contrast, the carbide insert on the Felder SilentPower head is proprietary to Felder, only available from them, and about a month ago someone on here was trying to find replacements and being told they are out of stock in both USA and Austria with an expected 4-6 week lead time. ?Personally, I try to avoid sole-sourced consumable dependency. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 01:23:01 PM EDT, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
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TRboat is gone, he unsubscribed a little bit ago, so no need to converse further. Never seen anybody come and go in one day and manage to stir such a ruckus.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On May 15, 2023, at 1:44 PM, David Sabo via groups.io <sabo_dave@...> wrote:
Um...no, not really.??
If I had said you were a nincompoop,? a retard, or a thin skinned coward - that would have been name calling.? Just like you're closing sentence.?
Saying your business / accounting choices lack experience, wisdom, or judgment is not name calling.?? It may sting, or you may have taken offense at it, but my intention was not to be rude or derogatory.?? Clearly , yours was.
Kinda like saying someone is ignorant.? It's often taken as an insult , but is not at it's core.? I'm completely ignorant when it comes to?Multivariable Calculus and I'm pretty sure even my Calculus Professor is ignorant when it comes to the Inter-universal Teichm¨¹ller theory. ? It's not insulting to say so.? Both of us could take the time learn the terms, concepts, and skills needed to work in those disciplines if we so chose. ?
It seems you're used to everyone bowing at your alter and going along with what you say as gospel, only to cry foul and run off when someone dissents.? Your double standard isn't helping your case.
D
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 03:59:21 PM EDT, Trboat <trboatworks@...> wrote:
Calling someone ¡°Naive¡± is the definition of name calling.
Guys its been fun but I am out.
david sabo you are a real prick.
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And so, it seems to have come to this:
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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Mr. Sabo,
If, as it appears, your comments are in response to my post on this topic, then I fail to understand the relevance: - I was not advocating for Tersa over Segmented, or visa versa - just pointing out that if you can¡¯t buy replacement cutters, then the supposed advantage of one over the other may be an illusion.
- I am intimately familiar with carbide insert tooling, having written a very popular ?book on the topic: ?https://tinyurl.com/3mp56w8u
- I have owned a segmented head in a Dewalt planer, and have Tersa on my Dual 51. ?They each have their drawbacks and advantages, and I tend to see them the same way Dave Kumm does, and posted about earlier.
- My personal orientation is to buy highest quality, and only pay attention to price when the cost/benefit ration is clearly out of whack. ?So yes, I know cost isn¡¯t important to everyone.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On May 15, 2023, at 12:34 PM, David Sabo via groups.io <sabo_dave@...> wrote:
But did you know that it only takes a minute to rotate a segment ?? That's ifin it ain't stuck to cutterhead.
Did you also know that lots of places use segmented heads ?
Did you know that the USA's #1 Tersa advocate acknowledges that a segment head might be best? .....or mighten not.
Betcha didn't know that cost isn't important to everyone.? .....................right
Lookin more like the briar patch instead of the weeds.
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 02:21:57 PM EDT, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
I like going into the weeds, so let me also add an additional factor to consider. ?For a number of years, the knives for the Tersa head were patient protected and thus available from few suppliers (like one) and the pricing reflected that fact. ?The Tersa patient has expired, availability is now close to commodity status (available on Amazon even), the inflation-adjusted prices have come down a bit, and newer versions of the knives have emerged with different steel alloys. ?
In contrast, the carbide insert on the Felder SilentPower head is proprietary to Felder, only available from them, and about a month ago someone on here was trying to find replacements and being told they are out of stock in both USA and Austria with an expected 4-6 week lead time. ?Personally, I try to avoid sole-sourced consumable dependency. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 01:23:01 PM EDT, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
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Um...no, not really.??
If I had said you were a nincompoop,? a retard, or a thin skinned coward - that would have been name calling.? Just like you're closing sentence.?
Saying your business / accounting choices lack experience, wisdom, or judgment is not name calling.?? It may sting, or you may have taken offense at it, but my intention was not to be rude or derogatory.?? Clearly , yours was.
Kinda like saying someone is ignorant.? It's often taken as an insult , but is not at it's core.? I'm completely ignorant when it comes to?Multivariable Calculus and I'm pretty sure even my Calculus Professor is ignorant when it comes to the Inter-universal Teichm¨¹ller theory. ? It's not insulting to say so.? Both of us could take the time learn the terms, concepts, and skills needed to work in those disciplines if we so chose. ?
It seems you're used to everyone bowing at your alter and going along with what you say as gospel, only to cry foul and run off when someone dissents.? Your double standard isn't helping your case.
D
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 03:59:21 PM EDT, Trboat <trboatworks@...> wrote:
Calling someone ¡°Naive¡± is the definition of name calling.
Guys its been fun but I am out.
david sabo you are a real prick.
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Hi Thomas:
You are welcome here. And you seem the opposite of naive. I¡¯d love for you to stay in the forum ¡ª you are in a very interesting area of manufacturing. Not many colleagues of mine are in the boat servicing industry and your mentions of
metal working sound fun too.?
There are always passionate people on forums. Some are best avoided. I¡¯ll often write a texts to friends who participate here, as a way of venting offline about the ¡°pricks¡±. Said pricks likely do the same about me!
All said, I¡¯d love to see pictures of your shop and learn more about your work. And you mention a saw injury. Are you ok? Is there anything to be learned from it? That we all can learn?
Anyway, I hope you decide to stay.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
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Oh- I¡¯m Thomas
My shop started out with doing shipwrights/yacht carpentry I have gradually expanded into multiple capacities including stainless steel and aluminum fabrication, tig welding, machining etc.
I came to setup the shop after a long stint of carpentry and cabinet building for homes and commercial businesses.
This injury on the table saw last week has me once again bringing in new equipment and reconfiguring the shop to accommodate it.
My shop is modest in size but capable.
This Felder gear I am bringing in will make it more so.
So hello all.
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Calling someone ¡°Naive¡± is the definition of name calling.
Guys its been fun but I am out.
david sabo you are a real prick.
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Your opinion matters David, thank you for sharing it.
But did you know that it only takes a minute to rotate a segment ?? That's ifin it ain't stuck to cutterhead.
Did you also know that lots of places use segmented heads ?
Did you know that the USA's #1 Tersa advocate acknowledges that a segment head might be best? .....or mighten not.
Betcha didn't know that cost isn't important to everyone.? .....................right
Lookin more like the briar patch instead of the weeds.
I like going into the weeds, so let me also add an additional factor to consider.? For a number of years, the knives for the Tersa head were patient protected and thus available from few suppliers (like one) and the pricing reflected that fact.? The Tersa patient has expired, availability is now close to commodity status (available on Amazon even), the inflation-adjusted prices have come down a bit, and newer versions of the knives have emerged with different steel alloys. ?
In contrast, the carbide insert on the Felder SilentPower head is proprietary to Felder, only available from them, and about a month ago someone on here was trying to find replacements and being told they are out of stock in both USA and Austria with an expected 4-6 week lead time.? Personally, I try to avoid sole-sourced consumable dependency. ?
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Re: And this popped up in the morning feed
That was great David.............Regards, Rod.
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Re: Update on Martin T32 Jointer/Planer
PK,
Planning on releasing any YouTube videos soon of the fs7 in action? :)
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Larry Long Neck
Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
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Re: N4400 bandsaw issues- follow up
Hi Murray, one of the oddest issues I ran into was an N4400 with vibration issues that appeared to defy logic.
It turned out that one of the bolts on the frame hub that captures the wheel spindle wasn't tight.
The bolt appeared tight because the locknut had it clamped in place, however the bolt wasn't actually pressing against the spindle.
Regards, Rod.
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But did you know that it only takes a minute to rotate a segment ?? That's ifin it ain't stuck to cutterhead.
Did you also know that lots of places use segmented heads ?
Did you know that the USA's #1 Tersa advocate acknowledges that a segment head might be best? .....or mighten not.
Betcha didn't know that cost isn't important to everyone.? .....................right
Lookin more like the briar patch instead of the weeds.
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 02:21:57 PM EDT, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
I like going into the weeds, so let me also add an additional factor to consider. ?For a number of years, the knives for the Tersa head were patient protected and thus available from few suppliers (like one) and the pricing reflected that fact. ?The Tersa patient has expired, availability is now close to commodity status (available on Amazon even), the inflation-adjusted prices have come down a bit, and newer versions of the knives have emerged with different steel alloys. ?
In contrast, the carbide insert on the Felder SilentPower head is proprietary to Felder, only available from them, and about a month ago someone on here was trying to find replacements and being told they are out of stock in both USA and Austria with an expected 4-6 week lead time. ?Personally, I try to avoid sole-sourced consumable dependency. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 01:23:01 PM EDT, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
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PK
David Luckensmeyer
David P. Best
rodsheridan
Larry Long Neck