The RL160 Mac is selling looks like quite a deal comparatively at $1,975...
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Hi, RL160 single phase dust collector for sale $4,500 obo located in Cleveland area 44256 zip.
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Re: Bandsaw Ceramic Guide Resurfacing or Replacement
You won¡¯t touch ceramic without diamond abrasives. Sand paper and files will get nowhere.
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Brett, I'll try making a quick jig to keep the block parallel to the wheel and give it a try. I tried hand sanding and filing but got nowhere. The Rockler blocks are the right material but too big for the Felder aluminum block.?
Jason, Spaceageceramic sells inserts for the Laguna Italian saws which appear to be identical. I've inquired to confirm. That begs the question of how to glue them in place which I've also asked about.?
I downloaded the Laguna manual to see what their blocks look like. Same concept but they look a little different. Very interesting though. It's a decent manual and from the photos many of the major components look to be identical to the Felder. I'd heard that before and even that the machines are made in the same factory. Don't know if that's true but it was interesting to see it.?
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FWIW¡.A friend tells me Felder Bandsaws are made in Italy.?
On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 1:00 PM Greg Mix < gregnmix@...> wrote: Brett, I'll try making a quick jig to keep the block parallel to the wheel and give it a try. I tried hand sanding and filing but got nowhere. The Rockler blocks are the right material but too big for the Felder aluminum block.?
Jason, Spaceageceramic sells inserts for the Laguna Italian saws which appear to be identical. I've inquired to confirm. That begs the question of how to glue them in place which I've also asked about.?
I downloaded the Laguna manual to see what their blocks look like. Same concept but they look a little different. Very interesting though. It's a decent manual and from the photos many of the major components look to be identical to the Felder. I'd heard that before and even that the machines are made in the same factory. Don't know if that's true but it was interesting to see it.?
-- Kind regards,Brian D. Milidrag
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Brett, I'll try making a quick jig to keep the block parallel to the wheel and give it a try. I tried hand sanding and filing but got nowhere. The Rockler blocks are the right material but too big for the Felder aluminum block.?
Jason, Spaceageceramic sells inserts for the Laguna Italian saws which appear to be identical. I've inquired to confirm. That begs the question of how to glue them in place which I've also asked about.?
I downloaded the Laguna manual to see what their blocks look like. Same concept but they look a little different. Very interesting though. It's a decent manual and from the photos many of the major components look to be identical to the Felder. I'd heard that before and even that the machines are made in the same factory. Don't know if that's true but it was interesting to see it.?
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Hi, RL160 single phase dust collector for sale $4,500 obo located in Cleveland area 44256 zip.  
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Hi, selling my K700S arrived in October of 2021 put in use in December.? Machine is brand new just a handful of cuts, single phase has digital rip fence, tooled for dado, groover, power switch on slider, cross cut fence, upgraded fence, fence miter index, dial angle gauge, two eccentric clamps, one shoe, parallel cross cut guide, rear support and front support. All in I am $18k ish into the machine asking $16,000. Original pallet on hand with feet clamps, easy load up to my home shop just south of Cleveland OH. zip is 44256        
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This is the supplier I've used. They have many stock sizes or can custom cut for you.
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Bandsaw Ceramic Guide Resurfacing or Replacement
Greg, I'd suggest finding your local machine shop, might be a simple honing job. Trying to do it yourself might be "good enough" but less likely to be as accurate. I've had good enough results just sanding blocks with silicon carbide 220/320/400 grit? on an orbital platen by hand, but it's your call and your bandsaw?use.
Also, Rockler has inserts for $30/set of 4 - might be worth investigating?busting out the old blocks and gluing in new ones?
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 3:05 PM Greg Mix < gregnmix@...> wrote: Just wondering if anyone knows of a way to resurface or replace the ceramic inserts in the bandsaw guide blocks. The only thing Felder offers is replacement of the entire block including the C shaped aluminum brackets the ceramic inserts are glued into. That makes the price about $250 for the set. If there's an easy way to clean them up, I'd rather keep those dollars in my pocket. In my case I've got plenty of ceramic material left, it's just gotten a little rounded and isn't doing its job quite as well as it should.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: Felder Machines for sale One New AD951DD SOLD
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 04:42 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression wrote:
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Greetings: For Those who may have missed this in past. Well the AD951DD is?? sold .The other machines are still available. Since I have to travel to Jasper, IN to crate and ship there is the? opportunity for me to also crate other pieces to SHIP? as well. If this opens possibilities for you please let me know. I am only traveling there once? in? mid June. ? thanks mac,,
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Just wondering if anyone knows of a way to resurface or replace the ceramic inserts in the bandsaw guide blocks. The only thing Felder offers is replacement of the entire block including the C shaped aluminum brackets the ceramic inserts are glued into. That makes the price about $250 for the set. If there's an easy way to clean them up, I'd rather keep those dollars in my pocket. In my case I've got plenty of ceramic material left, it's just gotten a little rounded and isn't doing its job quite as well as it should.
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Re: Powering Three Phase Equipment in a Single Phase Shop
? Dan,
From basic calculations both motors are actually bigger than nameplate. My guess is that they have been derated due to ¡°continuous duty¡± or other factors.
For example, the planer motor FLA @ 230VAC is 29.8A. This means that the motor is ~10KW (maybe they told you 10KW as opposed to 10HP). Here is the formula:
29.8A x 230V x 1.732 x 0.88 = 10446 Watts
0.88 is power factor
So 9.2KW is actually a ~12% derating.
A service factor of 1.15 means that the planer motor can deliver 12KW for a short term.
HTH,
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On Jun 6, 2022, at 11:07 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote: ? Here are the sticker on the slider and motor plates on planer (12.5hp) and jointer (7.5¡±). Interestingly enough the motor on the planer is actually a 12.5hp not 10hp like the guys at Alliance Machinery labeled it .. The planer does have an internal switch that can easily go between 230v and 460v.? On Jun 5, 2022, at 8:14 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? Imran, Felder has switched motor suppliers so your data may or may not be up to date depending on build dates of the machines. ?ATB has gone bankrupt and Felder is thus no longer supplying those motors. ?Your posted numbers are probably close, but Dan (or anyone else wanting specific electrical info) should check their own motor plates.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
David,
The reason to share was to add data to what you and others were saying. The post shows the KW and FLA of each motor and the measured current to provide an idea. Certainly, covers the range of Dan¡¯s 7.5 & 10HP equipment. ? Those may or may not be the same motors Dan has.
? Dan,
FWIW, here are the currents of various size 3 phase motors while idling. Motors draws FLA, listed on the name plate, when developing rated HP. Most of us don¡¯t get there.
/g/felderownersgroup/message/114733? Like I said Dan, PP under rate their equipment. ?On top of that Felder plays games with their HP ratings - they will often suggest a given machine is 10HP at S1 rating, and the same motor as 7/5HP with an S6 rating. ? I haven¡¯t looked at the motor plates on my equipment to see the KW ratings, but the HP ratings I listed are what Felder claims. ? So I suggest you gather up the KW specs for your equipment and have that in hand when you call PP.
Also, a 5.5HP RL160 will not be pulling maximum current unless there is no resistance to the airflow - so with the piping and necking down inside the machines, I doubt my RL is ever pulling the equivalent of 5.5HP. ?The same can be said for loads on the saw, shaper, jointer, planer. ?What I can say is that with the planer taking 3mm depth of cut on 16¡± wide red oak (did this last weekend) and the RL160 sucking all the chips, I still had enough power left to cut 3/4¡± Appleply on the Kappa 400 at the same time.
Speaking of 3/4¡± Appleply, here is the latest local retail on that product. ?Same material in 2020 was $115. ?My cost is less 20%, but still . . . . .
<Indicators - 1.jpeg>On Jun 5, 2022, at 6:22 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Thanks David for the lengthy explanation. It looks like I will be placing an order for a 10hp PP. I¡¯m curious how you¡¯re able to run so much more hp on the converter than it¡¯s rated for? That¡¯s almost double the amount.? ? I highly recommend you go with a Phase Perfect rather than a rotary. ??
A rotary is a mechanical device - basically a motor that uses some of the windings to generate the 3rd leg of power. ?So it makes noise when it¡¯s running, and heat, and all that comes with running a motor - including power consumption when it¡¯s on - even if the equipment attached to it (like your saw,?dust extractor, etc.) is turned off. ?The rotary converters will consume enough more electricity sitting idle to pay for the extra cost of a PP in about 5-7 years, and rotary units are notorious for creating other problems with high voltage spikes on the manufactured leg. ?
I¡¯ve had both types, and if you can afford the Phase Perfect, it will serve you better long term.
In contrast the Phase Perfect is a digital solution that also generates the 3rd leg, but does so without employing mechanical means to do so. ?It doesn¡¯t consume power when the equipment attached to it is turned off, and the output is voltage stabilized, so it¡¯s highly desirable in shops with sensitive electronic equipment.
My Phase Perfect has been the most reliable and trouble free piece of equipment that runs on electricity in my shop. ? I¡¯ve owned it 18 yeas now. ?I have their prior generation 10HP unit - the DPC-A10, and the?current generation equivalent is the PT010. ?It powers my Dual 51 13HP in?conjunction with my RL160 5.5HP with enough left over to also run my Kappa 400 in idle. ?So their equipment is seriously under rated IMO, but check with them if you have any questions about sizing.
Your next questions are probably going to be about shop wiring for 3P. ?DM me if you want some suggestions.
The?Phase Perfect service is terrific if anything does go wrong. ? I dropped mine from 12 feet onto the corner of another machine during a move, and I was sure it was going to the scrap bin - photos follow. ? But they insisted I ship it back to the, and they had it repaired and returned to me within a week and it cost me $512 for the repairs and $200 for freight. ??
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On Jun 4, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
After 4 years in my current commercial ship rental with three phase, I¡¯m taking the plunge and buying a house with a 1k square foot detached garage. Closing is July 22, move will take place in August.? I¡¯ll be needing a way to power my three phase equipment on single phase power so looking for the best way to do so. The garage has a 120amp sub panel from the house.? Three phase equipment coming with me are a 10hp 25¡± planer, 7.5hp 16¡± jointer, 7.5 hp k700s, and a 7.5hp f700z shaper on the way (due for delivery end of August)?
I¡¯m leaning towards a American rotary 15hp phase converter (possibly 20hp to account for future equipment). But I¡¯ve also been hearing a lot about Phase Perfect converters. What are the pros and cons of each type? Any input will be greatly appreciated.?
Not included on this list is my 10hp single phase 43¡± timesaver wide belt.?
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Dan,
???? Just to put in my two cents worth. I had to save money and did go with a rotary converter for my older K700s.? I bought my rotary in 2020 from North America Phase Converter Co. I did weigh the pros and cons of a rotary as compared to digital converters.? I also bought a wired remote switch for it. All have been working fine and the support I got from them has always been A+. I have called them 5 or 6 times and have never had any wait to get tech help or anything else.? Good luck with your move, Tom Ruth
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Here are the sticker on the slider and motor plates on planer (12.5hp) and jointer (7.5¡±). Interestingly enough the motor on the planer is actually a 12.5hp not 10hp like the guys at Alliance Machinery labeled it .. The planer does have an internal switch that can easily go between 230v and 460v.?
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On Jun 5, 2022, at 8:14 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? Imran, Felder has switched motor suppliers so your data may or may not be up to date depending on build dates of the machines. ?ATB has gone bankrupt and Felder is thus no longer supplying those motors. ?Your posted numbers are probably close, but Dan (or anyone else wanting specific electrical info) should check their own motor plates.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
David,
The reason to share was to add data to what you and others were saying. The post shows the KW and FLA of each motor and the measured current to provide an idea. Certainly, covers the range of Dan¡¯s 7.5 & 10HP equipment. ? Those may or may not be the same motors Dan has.
? Dan,
FWIW, here are the currents of various size 3 phase motors while idling. Motors draws FLA, listed on the name plate, when developing rated HP. Most of us don¡¯t get there.
/g/felderownersgroup/message/114733? Like I said Dan, PP under rate their equipment. ?On top of that Felder plays games with their HP ratings - they will often suggest a given machine is 10HP at S1 rating, and the same motor as 7/5HP with an S6 rating. ? I haven¡¯t looked at the motor plates on my equipment to see the KW ratings, but the HP ratings I listed are what Felder claims. ? So I suggest you gather up the KW specs for your equipment and have that in hand when you call PP.
Also, a 5.5HP RL160 will not be pulling maximum current unless there is no resistance to the airflow - so with the piping and necking down inside the machines, I doubt my RL is ever pulling the equivalent of 5.5HP. ?The same can be said for loads on the saw, shaper, jointer, planer. ?What I can say is that with the planer taking 3mm depth of cut on 16¡± wide red oak (did this last weekend) and the RL160 sucking all the chips, I still had enough power left to cut 3/4¡± Appleply on the Kappa 400 at the same time.
Speaking of 3/4¡± Appleply, here is the latest local retail on that product. ?Same material in 2020 was $115. ?My cost is less 20%, but still . . . . .
<Indicators - 1.jpeg>On Jun 5, 2022, at 6:22 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Thanks David for the lengthy explanation. It looks like I will be placing an order for a 10hp PP. I¡¯m curious how you¡¯re able to run so much more hp on the converter than it¡¯s rated for? That¡¯s almost double the amount.? ? I highly recommend you go with a Phase Perfect rather than a rotary. ??
A rotary is a mechanical device - basically a motor that uses some of the windings to generate the 3rd leg of power. ?So it makes noise when it¡¯s running, and heat, and all that comes with running a motor - including power consumption when it¡¯s on - even if the equipment attached to it (like your saw,?dust extractor, etc.) is turned off. ?The rotary converters will consume enough more electricity sitting idle to pay for the extra cost of a PP in about 5-7 years, and rotary units are notorious for creating other problems with high voltage spikes on the manufactured leg. ?
I¡¯ve had both types, and if you can afford the Phase Perfect, it will serve you better long term.
In contrast the Phase Perfect is a digital solution that also generates the 3rd leg, but does so without employing mechanical means to do so. ?It doesn¡¯t consume power when the equipment attached to it is turned off, and the output is voltage stabilized, so it¡¯s highly desirable in shops with sensitive electronic equipment.
My Phase Perfect has been the most reliable and trouble free piece of equipment that runs on electricity in my shop. ? I¡¯ve owned it 18 yeas now. ?I have their prior generation 10HP unit - the DPC-A10, and the?current generation equivalent is the PT010. ?It powers my Dual 51 13HP in?conjunction with my RL160 5.5HP with enough left over to also run my Kappa 400 in idle. ?So their equipment is seriously under rated IMO, but check with them if you have any questions about sizing.
Your next questions are probably going to be about shop wiring for 3P. ?DM me if you want some suggestions.
The?Phase Perfect service is terrific if anything does go wrong. ? I dropped mine from 12 feet onto the corner of another machine during a move, and I was sure it was going to the scrap bin - photos follow. ? But they insisted I ship it back to the, and they had it repaired and returned to me within a week and it cost me $512 for the repairs and $200 for freight. ??
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On Jun 4, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
After 4 years in my current commercial ship rental with three phase, I¡¯m taking the plunge and buying a house with a 1k square foot detached garage. Closing is July 22, move will take place in August.? I¡¯ll be needing a way to power my three phase equipment on single phase power so looking for the best way to do so. The garage has a 120amp sub panel from the house.? Three phase equipment coming with me are a 10hp 25¡± planer, 7.5hp 16¡± jointer, 7.5 hp k700s, and a 7.5hp f700z shaper on the way (due for delivery end of August)?
I¡¯m leaning towards a American rotary 15hp phase converter (possibly 20hp to account for future equipment). But I¡¯ve also been hearing a lot about Phase Perfect converters. What are the pros and cons of each type? Any input will be greatly appreciated.?
Not included on this list is my 10hp single phase 43¡± timesaver wide belt.?
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Axiom in Portland Oregon will recover your existing hubs with whatever durometer polyurethane tires you require. ?Most of us prefer 60 durometer. ??
Call them: ??(503) 620-2439?
Depending on what brand feeder you have, you might be able to source new hubs complete with polyurethane tires. ?If you have a Comatic brand feeder, they sell new hubs with Poly tires in two different widths.?
If you you have an Italian feeder like Maggi Steff, ?Western Roller will not recover your existing hubs, but will offer you new once for your feeder that are slightly narrower than OEM. ????
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Looking for options on old power feeder wheels, is there a way to renew the rubber?
Or should I bite the bullet and replace?
thanks
Eric
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Looking for options on old power feeder wheels, is there a way to renew the rubber?
Or should I bite the bullet and replace?
thanks
Eric
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Re: Powering Three Phase Equipment in a Single Phase Shop
Imran, Felder has switched motor suppliers so your data may or may not be up to date depending on build dates of the machines. ?ATB has gone bankrupt and Felder is thus no longer supplying those motors. ?Your posted numbers are probably close, but Dan (or anyone else wanting specific electrical info) should check their own motor plates.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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David,
The reason to share was to add data to what you and others were saying. The post shows the KW and FLA of each motor and the measured current to provide an idea. Certainly, covers the range of Dan¡¯s 7.5 & 10HP equipment. ? Those may or may not be the same motors Dan has.
? Dan,
FWIW, here are the currents of various size 3 phase motors while idling. Motors draws FLA, listed on the name plate, when developing rated HP. Most of us don¡¯t get there.
/g/felderownersgroup/message/114733? Like I said Dan, PP under rate their equipment. ?On top of that Felder plays games with their HP ratings - they will often suggest a given machine is 10HP at S1 rating, and the same motor as 7/5HP with an S6 rating. ? I haven¡¯t looked at the motor plates on my equipment to see the KW ratings, but the HP ratings I listed are what Felder claims. ? So I suggest you gather up the KW specs for your equipment and have that in hand when you call PP.
Also, a 5.5HP RL160 will not be pulling maximum current unless there is no resistance to the airflow - so with the piping and necking down inside the machines, I doubt my RL is ever pulling the equivalent of 5.5HP. ?The same can be said for loads on the saw, shaper, jointer, planer. ?What I can say is that with the planer taking 3mm depth of cut on 16¡± wide red oak (did this last weekend) and the RL160 sucking all the chips, I still had enough power left to cut 3/4¡± Appleply on the Kappa 400 at the same time.
Speaking of 3/4¡± Appleply, here is the latest local retail on that product. ?Same material in 2020 was $115. ?My cost is less 20%, but still . . . . .
<Indicators - 1.jpeg>On Jun 5, 2022, at 6:22 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Thanks David for the lengthy explanation. It looks like I will be placing an order for a 10hp PP. I¡¯m curious how you¡¯re able to run so much more hp on the converter than it¡¯s rated for? That¡¯s almost double the amount.? ? I highly recommend you go with a Phase Perfect rather than a rotary. ??
A rotary is a mechanical device - basically a motor that uses some of the windings to generate the 3rd leg of power. ?So it makes noise when it¡¯s running, and heat, and all that comes with running a motor - including power consumption when it¡¯s on - even if the equipment attached to it (like your saw,?dust extractor, etc.) is turned off. ?The rotary converters will consume enough more electricity sitting idle to pay for the extra cost of a PP in about 5-7 years, and rotary units are notorious for creating other problems with high voltage spikes on the manufactured leg. ?
I¡¯ve had both types, and if you can afford the Phase Perfect, it will serve you better long term.
In contrast the Phase Perfect is a digital solution that also generates the 3rd leg, but does so without employing mechanical means to do so. ?It doesn¡¯t consume power when the equipment attached to it is turned off, and the output is voltage stabilized, so it¡¯s highly desirable in shops with sensitive electronic equipment.
My Phase Perfect has been the most reliable and trouble free piece of equipment that runs on electricity in my shop. ? I¡¯ve owned it 18 yeas now. ?I have their prior generation 10HP unit - the DPC-A10, and the?current generation equivalent is the PT010. ?It powers my Dual 51 13HP in?conjunction with my RL160 5.5HP with enough left over to also run my Kappa 400 in idle. ?So their equipment is seriously under rated IMO, but check with them if you have any questions about sizing.
Your next questions are probably going to be about shop wiring for 3P. ?DM me if you want some suggestions.
The?Phase Perfect service is terrific if anything does go wrong. ? I dropped mine from 12 feet onto the corner of another machine during a move, and I was sure it was going to the scrap bin - photos follow. ? But they insisted I ship it back to the, and they had it repaired and returned to me within a week and it cost me $512 for the repairs and $200 for freight. ??
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On Jun 4, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
After 4 years in my current commercial ship rental with three phase, I¡¯m taking the plunge and buying a house with a 1k square foot detached garage. Closing is July 22, move will take place in August.? I¡¯ll be needing a way to power my three phase equipment on single phase power so looking for the best way to do so. The garage has a 120amp sub panel from the house.? Three phase equipment coming with me are a 10hp 25¡± planer, 7.5hp 16¡± jointer, 7.5 hp k700s, and a 7.5hp f700z shaper on the way (due for delivery end of August)?
I¡¯m leaning towards a American rotary 15hp phase converter (possibly 20hp to account for future equipment). But I¡¯ve also been hearing a lot about Phase Perfect converters. What are the pros and cons of each type? Any input will be greatly appreciated.?
Not included on this list is my 10hp single phase 43¡± timesaver wide belt.?
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David,
The reason to share was to add data to what you and others were saying. The post shows the KW and FLA of each motor and the measured current to provide an idea. Certainly, covers the range of Dan¡¯s 7.5 & 10HP equipment.
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On Jun 5, 2022, at 7:10 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote: ? Those may or may not be the same motors Dan has.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
? Dan,
FWIW, here are the currents of various size 3 phase motors while idling. Motors draws FLA, listed on the name plate, when developing rated HP. Most of us don¡¯t get there.
/g/felderownersgroup/message/114733? Like I said Dan, PP under rate their equipment. ?On top of that Felder plays games with their HP ratings - they will often suggest a given machine is 10HP at S1 rating, and the same motor as 7/5HP with an S6 rating. ? I haven¡¯t looked at the motor plates on my equipment to see the KW ratings, but the HP ratings I listed are what Felder claims. ? So I suggest you gather up the KW specs for your equipment and have that in hand when you call PP.
Also, a 5.5HP RL160 will not be pulling maximum current unless there is no resistance to the airflow - so with the piping and necking down inside the machines, I doubt my RL is ever pulling the equivalent of 5.5HP. ?The same can be said for loads on the saw, shaper, jointer, planer. ?What I can say is that with the planer taking 3mm depth of cut on 16¡± wide red oak (did this last weekend) and the RL160 sucking all the chips, I still had enough power left to cut 3/4¡± Appleply on the Kappa 400 at the same time.
Speaking of 3/4¡± Appleply, here is the latest local retail on that product. ?Same material in 2020 was $115. ?My cost is less 20%, but still . . . . .
<Indicators - 1.jpeg>On Jun 5, 2022, at 6:22 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Thanks David for the lengthy explanation. It looks like I will be placing an order for a 10hp PP. I¡¯m curious how you¡¯re able to run so much more hp on the converter than it¡¯s rated for? That¡¯s almost double the amount.? ? I highly recommend you go with a Phase Perfect rather than a rotary. ??
A rotary is a mechanical device - basically a motor that uses some of the windings to generate the 3rd leg of power. ?So it makes noise when it¡¯s running, and heat, and all that comes with running a motor - including power consumption when it¡¯s on - even if the equipment attached to it (like your saw,?dust extractor, etc.) is turned off. ?The rotary converters will consume enough more electricity sitting idle to pay for the extra cost of a PP in about 5-7 years, and rotary units are notorious for creating other problems with high voltage spikes on the manufactured leg. ?
I¡¯ve had both types, and if you can afford the Phase Perfect, it will serve you better long term.
In contrast the Phase Perfect is a digital solution that also generates the 3rd leg, but does so without employing mechanical means to do so. ?It doesn¡¯t consume power when the equipment attached to it is turned off, and the output is voltage stabilized, so it¡¯s highly desirable in shops with sensitive electronic equipment.
My Phase Perfect has been the most reliable and trouble free piece of equipment that runs on electricity in my shop. ? I¡¯ve owned it 18 yeas now. ?I have their prior generation 10HP unit - the DPC-A10, and the?current generation equivalent is the PT010. ?It powers my Dual 51 13HP in?conjunction with my RL160 5.5HP with enough left over to also run my Kappa 400 in idle. ?So their equipment is seriously under rated IMO, but check with them if you have any questions about sizing.
Your next questions are probably going to be about shop wiring for 3P. ?DM me if you want some suggestions.
The?Phase Perfect service is terrific if anything does go wrong. ? I dropped mine from 12 feet onto the corner of another machine during a move, and I was sure it was going to the scrap bin - photos follow. ? But they insisted I ship it back to the, and they had it repaired and returned to me within a week and it cost me $512 for the repairs and $200 for freight. ??
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On Jun 4, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
After 4 years in my current commercial ship rental with three phase, I¡¯m taking the plunge and buying a house with a 1k square foot detached garage. Closing is July 22, move will take place in August.? I¡¯ll be needing a way to power my three phase equipment on single phase power so looking for the best way to do so. The garage has a 120amp sub panel from the house.? Three phase equipment coming with me are a 10hp 25¡± planer, 7.5hp 16¡± jointer, 7.5 hp k700s, and a 7.5hp f700z shaper on the way (due for delivery end of August)?
I¡¯m leaning towards a American rotary 15hp phase converter (possibly 20hp to account for future equipment). But I¡¯ve also been hearing a lot about Phase Perfect converters. What are the pros and cons of each type? Any input will be greatly appreciated.?
Not included on this list is my 10hp single phase 43¡± timesaver wide belt.?
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Those may or may not be the same motors Dan has.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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? Dan,
FWIW, here are the currents of various size 3 phase motors while idling. Motors draws FLA, listed on the name plate, when developing rated HP. Most of us don¡¯t get there.
/g/felderownersgroup/message/114733? Like I said Dan, PP under rate their equipment. ?On top of that Felder plays games with their HP ratings - they will often suggest a given machine is 10HP at S1 rating, and the same motor as 7/5HP with an S6 rating. ? I haven¡¯t looked at the motor plates on my equipment to see the KW ratings, but the HP ratings I listed are what Felder claims. ? So I suggest you gather up the KW specs for your equipment and have that in hand when you call PP.
Also, a 5.5HP RL160 will not be pulling maximum current unless there is no resistance to the airflow - so with the piping and necking down inside the machines, I doubt my RL is ever pulling the equivalent of 5.5HP. ?The same can be said for loads on the saw, shaper, jointer, planer. ?What I can say is that with the planer taking 3mm depth of cut on 16¡± wide red oak (did this last weekend) and the RL160 sucking all the chips, I still had enough power left to cut 3/4¡± Appleply on the Kappa 400 at the same time.
Speaking of 3/4¡± Appleply, here is the latest local retail on that product. ?Same material in 2020 was $115. ?My cost is less 20%, but still . . . . .
<Indicators - 1.jpeg>On Jun 5, 2022, at 6:22 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Thanks David for the lengthy explanation. It looks like I will be placing an order for a 10hp PP. I¡¯m curious how you¡¯re able to run so much more hp on the converter than it¡¯s rated for? That¡¯s almost double the amount.? ? I highly recommend you go with a Phase Perfect rather than a rotary. ??
A rotary is a mechanical device - basically a motor that uses some of the windings to generate the 3rd leg of power. ?So it makes noise when it¡¯s running, and heat, and all that comes with running a motor - including power consumption when it¡¯s on - even if the equipment attached to it (like your saw,?dust extractor, etc.) is turned off. ?The rotary converters will consume enough more electricity sitting idle to pay for the extra cost of a PP in about 5-7 years, and rotary units are notorious for creating other problems with high voltage spikes on the manufactured leg. ?
I¡¯ve had both types, and if you can afford the Phase Perfect, it will serve you better long term.
In contrast the Phase Perfect is a digital solution that also generates the 3rd leg, but does so without employing mechanical means to do so. ?It doesn¡¯t consume power when the equipment attached to it is turned off, and the output is voltage stabilized, so it¡¯s highly desirable in shops with sensitive electronic equipment.
My Phase Perfect has been the most reliable and trouble free piece of equipment that runs on electricity in my shop. ? I¡¯ve owned it 18 yeas now. ?I have their prior generation 10HP unit - the DPC-A10, and the?current generation equivalent is the PT010. ?It powers my Dual 51 13HP in?conjunction with my RL160 5.5HP with enough left over to also run my Kappa 400 in idle. ?So their equipment is seriously under rated IMO, but check with them if you have any questions about sizing.
Your next questions are probably going to be about shop wiring for 3P. ?DM me if you want some suggestions.
The?Phase Perfect service is terrific if anything does go wrong. ? I dropped mine from 12 feet onto the corner of another machine during a move, and I was sure it was going to the scrap bin - photos follow. ? But they insisted I ship it back to the, and they had it repaired and returned to me within a week and it cost me $512 for the repairs and $200 for freight. ??
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On Jun 4, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
After 4 years in my current commercial ship rental with three phase, I¡¯m taking the plunge and buying a house with a 1k square foot detached garage. Closing is July 22, move will take place in August.? I¡¯ll be needing a way to power my three phase equipment on single phase power so looking for the best way to do so. The garage has a 120amp sub panel from the house.? Three phase equipment coming with me are a 10hp 25¡± planer, 7.5hp 16¡± jointer, 7.5 hp k700s, and a 7.5hp f700z shaper on the way (due for delivery end of August)?
I¡¯m leaning towards a American rotary 15hp phase converter (possibly 20hp to account for future equipment). But I¡¯ve also been hearing a lot about Phase Perfect converters. What are the pros and cons of each type? Any input will be greatly appreciated.?
Not included on this list is my 10hp single phase 43¡± timesaver wide belt.?
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Re: Powering Three Phase Equipment in a Single Phase Shop
? Dan,
FWIW, here are the currents of various size 3 phase motors while idling. Motors draws FLA, listed on the name plate, when developing rated HP. Most of us don¡¯t get there.
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On Jun 5, 2022, at 4:08 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote: ? Like I said Dan, PP under rate their equipment. ?On top of that Felder plays games with their HP ratings - they will often suggest a given machine is 10HP at S1 rating, and the same motor as 7/5HP with an S6 rating. ? I haven¡¯t looked at the motor plates on my equipment to see the KW ratings, but the HP ratings I listed are what Felder claims. ? So I suggest you gather up the KW specs for your equipment and have that in hand when you call PP.
Also, a 5.5HP RL160 will not be pulling maximum current unless there is no resistance to the airflow - so with the piping and necking down inside the machines, I doubt my RL is ever pulling the equivalent of 5.5HP. ?The same can be said for loads on the saw, shaper, jointer, planer. ?What I can say is that with the planer taking 3mm depth of cut on 16¡± wide red oak (did this last weekend) and the RL160 sucking all the chips, I still had enough power left to cut 3/4¡± Appleply on the Kappa 400 at the same time.
Speaking of 3/4¡± Appleply, here is the latest local retail on that product. ?Same material in 2020 was $115. ?My cost is less 20%, but still . . . . .
 On Jun 5, 2022, at 6:22 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Thanks David for the lengthy explanation. It looks like I will be placing an order for a 10hp PP. I¡¯m curious how you¡¯re able to run so much more hp on the converter than it¡¯s rated for? That¡¯s almost double the amount.? ? I highly recommend you go with a Phase Perfect rather than a rotary. ??
A rotary is a mechanical device - basically a motor that uses some of the windings to generate the 3rd leg of power. ?So it makes noise when it¡¯s running, and heat, and all that comes with running a motor - including power consumption when it¡¯s on - even if the equipment attached to it (like your saw,?dust extractor, etc.) is turned off. ?The rotary converters will consume enough more electricity sitting idle to pay for the extra cost of a PP in about 5-7 years, and rotary units are notorious for creating other problems with high voltage spikes on the manufactured leg. ?
I¡¯ve had both types, and if you can afford the Phase Perfect, it will serve you better long term.
In contrast the Phase Perfect is a digital solution that also generates the 3rd leg, but does so without employing mechanical means to do so. ?It doesn¡¯t consume power when the equipment attached to it is turned off, and the output is voltage stabilized, so it¡¯s highly desirable in shops with sensitive electronic equipment.
My Phase Perfect has been the most reliable and trouble free piece of equipment that runs on electricity in my shop. ? I¡¯ve owned it 18 yeas now. ?I have their prior generation 10HP unit - the DPC-A10, and the?current generation equivalent is the PT010. ?It powers my Dual 51 13HP in?conjunction with my RL160 5.5HP with enough left over to also run my Kappa 400 in idle. ?So their equipment is seriously under rated IMO, but check with them if you have any questions about sizing.
Your next questions are probably going to be about shop wiring for 3P. ?DM me if you want some suggestions.
The?Phase Perfect service is terrific if anything does go wrong. ? I dropped mine from 12 feet onto the corner of another machine during a move, and I was sure it was going to the scrap bin - photos follow. ? But they insisted I ship it back to the, and they had it repaired and returned to me within a week and it cost me $512 for the repairs and $200 for freight. ??
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On Jun 4, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
After 4 years in my current commercial ship rental with three phase, I¡¯m taking the plunge and buying a house with a 1k square foot detached garage. Closing is July 22, move will take place in August.? I¡¯ll be needing a way to power my three phase equipment on single phase power so looking for the best way to do so. The garage has a 120amp sub panel from the house.? Three phase equipment coming with me are a 10hp 25¡± planer, 7.5hp 16¡± jointer, 7.5 hp k700s, and a 7.5hp f700z shaper on the way (due for delivery end of August)?
I¡¯m leaning towards a American rotary 15hp phase converter (possibly 20hp to account for future equipment). But I¡¯ve also been hearing a lot about Phase Perfect converters. What are the pros and cons of each type? Any input will be greatly appreciated.?
Not included on this list is my 10hp single phase 43¡± timesaver wide belt.?
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Re: Powering Three Phase Equipment in a Single Phase Shop
Like I said Dan, PP under rate their equipment. ?On top of that Felder plays games with their HP ratings - they will often suggest a given machine is 10HP at S1 rating, and the same motor as 7/5HP with an S6 rating. ? I haven¡¯t looked at the motor plates on my equipment to see the KW ratings, but the HP ratings I listed are what Felder claims. ? So I suggest you gather up the KW specs for your equipment and have that in hand when you call PP.
Also, a 5.5HP RL160 will not be pulling maximum current unless there is no resistance to the airflow - so with the piping and necking down inside the machines, I doubt my RL is ever pulling the equivalent of 5.5HP. ?The same can be said for loads on the saw, shaper, jointer, planer. ?What I can say is that with the planer taking 3mm depth of cut on 16¡± wide red oak (did this last weekend) and the RL160 sucking all the chips, I still had enough power left to cut 3/4¡± Appleply on the Kappa 400 at the same time.
Speaking of 3/4¡± Appleply, here is the latest local retail on that product. ?Same material in 2020 was $115. ?My cost is less 20%, but still . . . . .
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On Jun 5, 2022, at 6:22 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
Thanks David for the lengthy explanation. It looks like I will be placing an order for a 10hp PP. I¡¯m curious how you¡¯re able to run so much more hp on the converter than it¡¯s rated for? That¡¯s almost double the amount.? ? I highly recommend you go with a Phase Perfect rather than a rotary. ??
A rotary is a mechanical device - basically a motor that uses some of the windings to generate the 3rd leg of power. ?So it makes noise when it¡¯s running, and heat, and all that comes with running a motor - including power consumption when it¡¯s on - even if the equipment attached to it (like your saw,?dust extractor, etc.) is turned off. ?The rotary converters will consume enough more electricity sitting idle to pay for the extra cost of a PP in about 5-7 years, and rotary units are notorious for creating other problems with high voltage spikes on the manufactured leg. ?
I¡¯ve had both types, and if you can afford the Phase Perfect, it will serve you better long term.
In contrast the Phase Perfect is a digital solution that also generates the 3rd leg, but does so without employing mechanical means to do so. ?It doesn¡¯t consume power when the equipment attached to it is turned off, and the output is voltage stabilized, so it¡¯s highly desirable in shops with sensitive electronic equipment.
My Phase Perfect has been the most reliable and trouble free piece of equipment that runs on electricity in my shop. ? I¡¯ve owned it 18 yeas now. ?I have their prior generation 10HP unit - the DPC-A10, and the?current generation equivalent is the PT010. ?It powers my Dual 51 13HP in?conjunction with my RL160 5.5HP with enough left over to also run my Kappa 400 in idle. ?So their equipment is seriously under rated IMO, but check with them if you have any questions about sizing.
Your next questions are probably going to be about shop wiring for 3P. ?DM me if you want some suggestions.
The?Phase Perfect service is terrific if anything does go wrong. ? I dropped mine from 12 feet onto the corner of another machine during a move, and I was sure it was going to the scrap bin - photos follow. ? But they insisted I ship it back to the, and they had it repaired and returned to me within a week and it cost me $512 for the repairs and $200 for freight. ??
<DSC_7155.jpg>
<DSC_7160.jpg>
On Jun 4, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Dan Gavrilyuk < dgwoodco@...> wrote:
After 4 years in my current commercial ship rental with three phase, I¡¯m taking the plunge and buying a house with a 1k square foot detached garage. Closing is July 22, move will take place in August.? I¡¯ll be needing a way to power my three phase equipment on single phase power so looking for the best way to do so. The garage has a 120amp sub panel from the house.? Three phase equipment coming with me are a 10hp 25¡± planer, 7.5hp 16¡± jointer, 7.5 hp k700s, and a 7.5hp f700z shaper on the way (due for delivery end of August)?
I¡¯m leaning towards a American rotary 15hp phase converter (possibly 20hp to account for future equipment). But I¡¯ve also been hearing a lot about Phase Perfect converters. What are the pros and cons of each type? Any input will be greatly appreciated.?
Not included on this list is my 10hp single phase 43¡± timesaver wide belt.?
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