i also have laguna resaw king. i think many just do not use it enough or do not have the means or are cannot justify the $200+ price tag.
imran
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote: ? Ariel, I don’t think you are missing a thing! I don’t have Lenox blades, but I do have resaw king blades on my Italian laguna and they perform exceptionally well. I have two and the one blade has been going strong since 2004. I am the second owner of the saw and the blade, but I’ve personally had it sharpened 2-3 times. I’m about due to send in both of my blades for sharpening. I just resawed a 7-8” tall piece of 8/4 Sapele and the saw was groaning a bit under my feedrate. I think I average about a year’s use for hobbyist work between sharpening.?
Chris, I don’t de-tension my 20” saw. Your wheels will be slightly narrower, but i haven’t seen any ill effect in 4-5 years of being lazy.?
Patrick On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 12:45 PM Chris Perren < cperren@...> wrote: I just bought a used MM16 bandsaw .. Any suggestion on the item number for Lenox carbide blade your using?? Do you detention it after use? ??? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ? ? Lenox carbide rocks!
I honestly don't understand why people are still using regular spring steel induction hardened blades or even bi-metal blades for resaw when the results from the carbide bandsaw blades is so much better? I am using a Lenox carbide blade on a MiniMax MM16 and the results are beautiful. Yes, it is more expensive but it lasts for very long time so the overall cost is lower. Maybe on a horizontal sawmill that might get rough or uncut lumber with nails and bullets you don't want to risk an expensive blade but for shop made veneer and bookmatched pieces it is hard not to see the benefits of carbide bandsaw blade.
What am I missing?
Ariel
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Ariel, I don’t think you are missing a thing! I don’t have Lenox blades, but I do have resaw king blades on my Italian laguna and they perform exceptionally well. I have two and the one blade has been going strong since 2004. I am the second owner of the saw and the blade, but I’ve personally had it sharpened 2-3 times. I’m about due to send in both of my blades for sharpening. I just resawed a 7-8” tall piece of 8/4 Sapele and the saw was groaning a bit under my feedrate. I think I average about a year’s use for hobbyist work between sharpening.?
Chris, I don’t de-tension my 20” saw. Your wheels will be slightly narrower, but i haven’t seen any ill effect in 4-5 years of being lazy.?
Patrick
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 12:45 PM Chris Perren < cperren@...> wrote: I just bought a used MM16 bandsaw .. Any suggestion on the item number for Lenox carbide blade your using?? Do you detention it after use? ??? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ? ? Lenox carbide rocks!
I honestly don't understand why people are still using regular spring steel induction hardened blades or even bi-metal blades for resaw when the results from the carbide bandsaw blades is so much better? I am using a Lenox carbide blade on a MiniMax MM16 and the results are beautiful. Yes, it is more expensive but it lasts for very long time so the overall cost is lower. Maybe on a horizontal sawmill that might get rough or uncut lumber with nails and bullets you don't want to risk an expensive blade but for shop made veneer and bookmatched pieces it is hard not to see the benefits of carbide bandsaw blade.
What am I missing?
Ariel
in Los Angeles
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I just bought a used MM16 bandsaw .. Any suggestion on the item number for Lenox carbide blade your using? ?Do you detention it after use? ??? ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of ahazi Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:37 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] New resaw setup ? Lenox carbide rocks!
I honestly don't understand why people are still using regular spring steel induction hardened blades or even bi-metal blades for resaw when the results from the carbide bandsaw blades is so much better? I am using a Lenox carbide blade on a MiniMax MM16 and the results are beautiful. Yes, it is more expensive but it lasts for very long time so the overall cost is lower. Maybe on a horizontal sawmill that might get rough or uncut lumber with nails and bullets you don't want to risk an expensive blade but for shop made veneer and bookmatched pieces it is hard not to see the benefits of carbide bandsaw blade.
What am I missing?
Ariel
in Los Angeles
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Lenox carbide rocks!
I honestly don't understand why people are still using regular spring steel induction hardened blades or even bi-metal blades for resaw when the results from the carbide bandsaw blades are so much better? I am using a Lenox carbide blade on a MiniMax MM16 and the results are beautiful. Yes, it is more expensive but it lasts for very long time so the overall cost is lower. Maybe on a horizontal sawmill that might get rough or uncut lumber with nails and bullets you don't want to risk an expensive blade but for shop made veneer and bookmatched pieces it is hard not to see the benefits of carbide bandsaw blade.
What am I missing?
Ariel
in Los Angeles
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
james,
makes sense, because from eshop i believe you get the tilt bracket and the gas assist. but with this parts list people can add the gas assist to existing tilt brackets. i am sure that not all vintage tilt brackets are pre-drilled (as mine is not) but that is a moot point as drilling is needed for DIY solution.
thanks for clearing this up. at least, i did not know you could just add gas assist to existing tilt bracket.
imran
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 11:41 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote: ? Imran,
2 years ago, I contacted Felder Mississauga about the gas spring assistance for the tilt away bracket on my 2016 KF700sp, they sent me the attached tilt away bracket and gas spring assistance diagram, I looked at the diagram and produced the parts number I needed.
All the holes are pre-drilled on the tilt away bracket. Five?minutes install time is a bit exaggerated. Based on the installed picture, I think you can install it in 15 minutes using the following trick.
James
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: James, ? That is awesome. I did not know that it could be added. I remember, helping Dennis Yamamoto because his full combo did not have the space for DIY and I thought he was trying to avoid buying the whole bracket. I just hate to scrap items that took material and energy to produce. If we can add the spring to existing bracket it is a no brainer. When you say 5 mins, it makes me think that you did not even need to drill the existing bracket? ? Imran ? From: [email protected] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:06 AM
To: Felder Owner Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw? ? It comes with individual parts, but you can get it installed within 5 minutes. ? The order contains gas sprint assistance parts circled in blue below, not the tilt bracket.? ? On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:50 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote: the order detail you posted, is that the tilt bracket with gas assist or just gas assist parts? i thought one has to buy the tilt bracket with gas assist but if one can retrofit existing tilt bracket with felder parts that is fantastic. also does it come assembled or individual parts as the parts list shows? ? I ordered my 2016 KF700sp with F48 and tilt away bracket without gas spring assistance.? After lifting the heavy F48 a dozen times, I decided to get the gas sprint, night and day difference. Here below are the parts list and price in Canadian dollars for the Felder gas sprint. ? On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:54 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote: see this message for DIY solution: alternatively, you can replace your tilt bracket with one supplied by felder with gas strut. just make sure it is compatible with your machine ? Michael - no, I havent?- but sounds like I should get one. Where did you get it?
David
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
Imran,
2 years ago, I contacted Felder Mississauga about the gas spring assistance for the tilt away bracket on my 2016 KF700sp, they sent me the attached tilt away bracket and gas spring assistance diagram, I looked at the diagram and produced the parts number I needed.
All the holes are pre-drilled on the tilt away bracket. Five?minutes install time is a bit exaggerated. Based on the installed picture, I think you can install it in 15 minutes using the following trick.
James
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: James, ? That is awesome. I did not know that it could be added. I remember, helping Dennis Yamamoto because his full combo did not have the space for DIY and I thought he was trying to avoid buying the whole bracket. I just hate to scrap items that took material and energy to produce. If we can add the spring to existing bracket it is a no brainer. When you say 5 mins, it makes me think that you did not even need to drill the existing bracket? ? Imran ? From: [email protected] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:06 AM
To: Felder Owner Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw? ? It comes with individual parts, but you can get it installed within 5 minutes. ? The order contains gas sprint assistance parts circled in blue below, not the tilt bracket.? ? On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:50 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote: the order detail you posted, is that the tilt bracket with gas assist or just gas assist parts? i thought one has to buy the tilt bracket with gas assist but if one can retrofit existing tilt bracket with felder parts that is fantastic. also does it come assembled or individual parts as the parts list shows? ? I ordered my 2016 KF700sp with F48 and tilt away bracket without gas spring assistance.? After lifting the heavy F48 a dozen times, I decided to get the gas sprint, night and day difference. Here below are the parts list and price in Canadian dollars for the Felder gas sprint. ? On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:54 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote: see this message for DIY solution: alternatively, you can replace your tilt bracket with one supplied by felder with gas strut. just make sure it is compatible with your machine ? Michael - no, I havent?- but sounds like I should get one. Where did you get it?
David
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
I gotta say? I was a little perplexed over the repeated used of the
phrase "gas sprint."? I was wondering if it was some kind of discount
for? fuel? used in delivery.
Thanks James,? You cleared that up.
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James, ? That is awesome. I did not know that it could be added. I remember, helping Dennis Yamamoto because his full combo did not have the space for DIY and I thought he was trying to avoid buying the whole bracket. I just hate to scrap items that took material and energy to produce. If we can add the spring to existing bracket it is a no brainer. When you say 5 mins, it makes me think that you did not even need to drill the existing bracket? ? Imran ?
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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of James Zhu Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:06 AM To: Felder Owner Group < [email protected]> Subject: Re: [FOG] Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw? ? It comes with individual parts, but you can get it installed within 5 minutes. ? The order contains gas sprint assistance parts circled in blue below, not the tilt bracket.? ? On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:50 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote: the order detail you posted, is that the tilt bracket with gas assist or just gas assist parts? i thought one has to buy the tilt bracket with gas assist but if one can retrofit existing tilt bracket with felder parts that is fantastic. also does it come assembled or individual parts as the parts list shows? ? I ordered my 2016 KF700sp with F48 and tilt away bracket without gas spring assistance.? After lifting the heavy F48 a dozen times, I decided to get the gas sprint, night and day difference. Here below are the parts list and price in Canadian dollars for the Felder gas sprint. ? On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:54 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote: see this message for DIY solution: alternatively, you can replace your tilt bracket with one supplied by felder with gas strut. just make sure it is compatible with your machine ? Michael - no, I havent?- but sounds like I should get one. Where did you get it?
David
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It comes with individual parts, but you can get it installed within 5 minutes.
James
Imran,
The order contains gas sprint assistance parts circled in blue below, not the tilt bracket.?
James On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:50 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: james,
the order detail you posted, is that the tilt bracket with gas assist or just gas assist parts?
i thought one has to buy the tilt bracket with gas assist but if one can retrofit existing tilt bracket with felder parts that is fantastic.
also does it come assembled or individual parts as the parts list shows?
imran ? I ordered my 2016 KF700sp with F48 and tilt away bracket without gas spring assistance.? After lifting the heavy F48 a dozen times, I decided to get the gas sprint, night and day difference.
Here below are the parts list and price in Canadian dollars for the Felder gas sprint.
James
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:54 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: David,
see this message for DIY solution:
alternatively, you can replace your tilt bracket with one supplied by felder with gas strut. just make sure it is compatible with your machine
imran? ? Michael - no, I havent?- but sounds like I should get one. Where did you get it?
David
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Imran,
The order contains gas sprint assistance parts circled in blue below, not the tilt bracket.?
James
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:50 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: james,
the order detail you posted, is that the tilt bracket with gas assist or just gas assist parts?
i thought one has to buy the tilt bracket with gas assist but if one can retrofit existing tilt bracket with felder parts that is fantastic.
also does it come assembled or individual parts as the parts list shows?
imran ? I ordered my 2016 KF700sp with F48 and tilt away bracket without gas spring assistance.? After lifting the heavy F48 a dozen times, I decided to get the gas sprint, night and day difference.
Here below are the parts list and price in Canadian dollars for the Felder gas sprint.
James
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:54 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: David,
see this message for DIY solution:
alternatively, you can replace your tilt bracket with one supplied by felder with gas strut. just make sure it is compatible with your machine
imran? ? Michael - no, I havent?- but sounds like I should get one. Where did you get it?
David
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
james,
the order detail you posted, is that the tilt bracket with gas assist or just gas assist parts?
i thought one has to buy the tilt bracket with gas assist but if one can retrofit existing tilt bracket with felder parts that is fantastic.
also does it come assembled or individual parts as the parts list shows?
imran
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:23 AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote: ? I ordered my 2016 KF700sp with F48 and tilt away bracket without gas spring assistance.? After lifting the heavy F48 a dozen times, I decided to get the gas sprint, night and day difference.
Here below are the parts list and price in Canadian dollars for the Felder gas sprint.
James
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:54 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: David,
see this message for DIY solution:
alternatively, you can replace your tilt bracket with one supplied by felder with gas strut. just make sure it is compatible with your machine
imran? ? Michael - no, I havent?- but sounds like I should get one. Where did you get it?
David
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
Yes, I would not DIY given Felder's fair gas sprint price, there is a trick to get it installed in 5 minutes,?I posted before. Just search "gas sprint".
James
Thanks James - seems reasonable price-wise.
D.
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Thanks James - seems reasonable price-wise.
D.
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I ordered my 2016 KF700sp with F48 and tilt away bracket without gas spring assistance.? After lifting the heavy F48 a dozen times, I decided to get the gas sprint, night and day difference.
Here below are the parts list and price in Canadian dollars for the Felder gas sprint.
James
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:54 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: David,
see this message for DIY solution:
alternatively, you can replace your tilt bracket with one supplied by felder with gas strut. just make sure it is compatible with your machine
imran? ? Michael - no, I havent?- but sounds like I should get one. Where did you get it?
David
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Re: Felder slotting cutter
Mark-
Depending on which one it appears. One is 4, one is 5.
Michael Tagge
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Hi Michael, tooth width is 5 mm so suppose the main use would be for drawer bottoms
On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Michael Tagge <mike.j.tagge@...> wrote:
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Wider blade with an exact 4mm vs 3.4mm. Seems like a super niche product to me. Went with a flat top tip blade but haven’t had the opportunity to use it yet, all my cuts have been managed
by the Felder adjustable groovers this far.?
Michael Tagge
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
?Anyone have experience with the Felder slotting cutter? Looking to use it as a joinery blade for cutting tenons, bridle joints anywhere i might want a flat bottom cut. Is there an advantage to the slotting cutter over a rip with FTC?
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Hi Michael, tooth width is 5 mm so suppose the main use would be for drawer bottoms
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Michael Tagge <mike.j.tagge@...> wrote:
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Wider blade with an exact 4mm vs 3.4mm. Seems like a super niche product to me. Went with a flat top tip blade but haven’t had the opportunity to use it yet, all my cuts have been managed by the Felder adjustable groovers this far.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
?Anyone have experience with the Felder slotting cutter? Looking to use it as a joinery blade for cutting tenons, bridle joints anywhere i might want a flat bottom cut. Is there an advantage to the slotting cutter over a rip with FTC?
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
Thanks Imran - I'll look it up!
David
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David,
see this message for DIY solution:
alternatively, you can replace your tilt bracket with one supplied by felder with gas strut. just make sure it is compatible with your machine
imran?
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:45 AM, David Pepke <davidpepke@...> wrote: ? Michael - no, I havent?- but sounds like I should get one. Where did you get it?
David
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Michael - no, I havent?- but sounds like I should get one. Where did you get it?
David
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David-
Do you have the gas strut on the powerfeed lift? That is probably a #1 must have option IMO on combo shapers because the powerfeed is really heavy otherwise but it fairly easy to manage with the strut safely. Takes fairly minimal effort with the strut. Just
make sure you have everything locked down before you start moving it.?
I use my feeder very often but it depends on what you do. I do long linear runs where the powerfeed excels quite often- mouldings, door parts. Not used on template work or crosscuts.?
Michael Tagge
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I have power drive in my KF700SP - and couldnt be happier. Used to work at a place with a non-power drive Felder saw - and the power drive is well worth the money. I use it daily and it really helps when you are going back and forth between setups
- which you are, because its a combo.?
I agree that lifting the power feeder is really awkward and dangerous. I'm 36 and pretty strong - but it can overpower me - and leads me to using manual feeds more often than not. I just dont?want the hassle of lifting and setting up the feeder. I would not
buy the feeder on a KF700SP, if I was to do it again.?
On a separate?shaper - I would definitely get a feeder.
David
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imran