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A/C and Poptop Photos Added to Photos Section
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Garrett et al:
I have posted five photographs in the photos section of this Yahoo Group, Album: Kirkley'97EVC These five photographs show how I have mounted a 5000btu room air contioning unit in the luggage carrier of my '97EVC, the canvas shroud used to connect the a/c to the front poptop window, Reflectix insulation panels, an interior view of the installation and and the vehicle in use. These were taken several years ago and I no longer mount the a/c unit as in the photographs. The photos show a more or less permanent mounting which I used to use during the hot summers. I would leave the a/c mounted, with a cover and drive with it mounted. I no longer do this due to drag and reduction of mpg's. Now, I carry the a/c inside the vehicle for travel and install it after arriving at the camp site. Instead of the painted wooden board and angle brackets, I now only use a 2 inch thick piece of poly foam cut to the exact footprint of the a/c unit. I place this in the luggage carrier and place the a/c on top. This raises the a/c unit and insulates its vibrations from the vehicle. The Reflectix insulation for the poptop is inexpensive and simple to fabricate.. It is easily cut with scissors and held in place with Velcro tabs. Reflectix is available in the insulation department of Home Depot and Lowes', etc. It comes in various sizes but for these panels you'll want the 48inch x 25 ft. roll, costing abt. $45. This is enough for all the panels with some left over. The Reflectix offered at these places is silver on both sides but I have found this to be a problem as the places where it touches the vehicle's paint, it leaves silver gray aluminum marks which are hard to remove. I found that Reflectix was available with one side silver and one side white. With the white side toward the canvas the marking no longer happens. To get the one white sided Reflectix you have to have them order it which takes a few weeks.....but it costs only $30 a roll. For traveling, I store the four panels (two sides, rear and front) flat on top the upper bunk mattress. I use the A/C only during the hot months, but almost always use the Reflectix insulation except those rare (in Texas anyway) Fall or Spring days. In summer, the insulation keeps the heat out and the cool in, in winter it keeps the heat in and the cold out....Duh!!! Kent Kirkley '97EVC **** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. () |
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In a message dated 6/19/08 10:34:54 AM, dave_king_ev@... writes:
You said, iirc, that was a 5000 BTU air conditioner.? Where does thatSoooooo Whaaaaaaat! I was answering a request from Garrett (and others) concerning being able to keep cool in their EVCs while camping in hot weather. Any form of cooling and/or cooling devices will require energy and producing that energy will leave a carbon footprint.....even a generator, even solar panels, even batteries, etc. Perhaps you live in a place with perfect weather but I doubt it. Your statement is misplaced and irrevelant. Perhaps you would like to state your living situation and we can examine your carbon footprint. Perhaps you have a better solution to keeping cool? If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. This list is and has been a place where EV and EVC owners solve problems and help each other with their vehicles. Kent Kirkley '97EVC **** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. () |
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In a message dated 6/19/08 11:29:06 AM, dave_king_ev@... writes:
Lighten up already.? Kludging a 5000BTU 110VAC air conditioner on topThere wasn't a smiley face at the end of your original comment. Sure solar panels have a carbon footprint. Somebody has to make them and making them using materials and energy. Where does that come from:))) Kent Kirkley '97EVC **** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. () [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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dave_king_ev
And the "Largest Carbon Footprint" Award goes to........
ROFL --- In ev_update@..., kgkirkley@... wrote: Group, Album: Kirkley'97EVCcontioning unit in the luggage carrier of my '97EVC, the canvas shroud used toconnect the a/c to the front poptop window, Reflectix insulation panels, aninterior view of the installation and and the vehicle in use.unit as in the photographs.use during the hot summers.use a 2 inch thick piece of poly foam cut to the exact footprint of the a/cunit. I place this in the luggage carrier and place the a/c on top. Thisraises the a/c unit and insulates its vibrations from the vehicle.and Lowes', etc.48inch x 25 ft. roll, costing abt. $45.have found this to be a problem as the places where it touches thevehicle's paint, it leaves silver gray aluminum marks which are hard to remove. I foundthat Reflectix was available with one side silver and one side white.With the white side toward the canvas the marking no longer happens. To get the onewhite sided Reflectix you have to have them order it which takes a fewweeks.....but it costs only $30 a roll.flat on top the upper bunk mattress.Reflectix insulation except those rare (in Texas anyway) Fall or Spring days. Init keeps the heat in and the cold out....Duh!!! |
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dave_king_ev
You said, iirc, that was a 5000 BTU air conditioner. Where does that
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energy come from? Most electricity generation is from carbon (in CA, for example, over half is from coal and fuel oil; in Ohio almost 90% is from coal alone). It varies by state (and utility company -- for example Progress Energy gets 35% from nuclear, but they only serve a few million people in the Southeast), but bottom line is most electricity comes from burning carbon. --- In ev_update@..., kgkirkley@... wrote:
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dave_king_ev
I only use solar panels manufactured with 100% nuclear energy.
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Now you are getting silly. out --- In ev_update@..., kgkirkley@... wrote:
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--- In ev_update@..., kgkirkley@... wrote:
While there was no smiley face at the end of his original comment, there was an ROFL, a common variant of ROTFL, meaning, "rolling on the floor LAUGHING". But even without the ROFL, I thought the intended humor was blatantly obvious. Somehow humans managed to survive without air conditioning until the 1950s. But now we need to strap A/C units to the roof of our recreational vans? No offense, but that is hilarious, if not tragic. Serge |
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B Feddish
1950s. But now we need to strap A/C units to the roof of our recreationalSomehow humans managed to survive without air conditioning until the vans? No offense, but that is hilarious, if not tragic. << This list is actually pretty kind. Someone wanted to do the generator/AC deal with their Vanagon Westy and posted such request on the Vanagon list. He proceeded to get barraged with responses like "Don't camp near me with that ignorantly loud generator and A/C, go park next to the 60 foot behemoths". Bwahahahaha. Bryan |
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But even without the ROFL, I thought the intended humor was blatantly
obvious. Somehow humans managed to survive without air conditioning until the 1950s. But now we need to strap A/C units to the roof of our recreational vans? No offense, but that is hilarious, if not tragic. Serge I ain't biting on this one. SOIAT (sit on it and twirl) There have been a/c units on recreational vehicles for a long time..... I invite you to come on down to Texas and I'll take you out in my EVC when the days are 100+F and night 90+F with 90% humidity and I'll take pictures of you sweating. Kent Kirkley '97EVC |
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dave_king_ev
I invite you to come on down to Texas and I'll take you out in myEVC when the days are 100+F and night 90+F with 90% humidity and I'll take pictures of you sweating.
When it's hot, I accept being a little hotter. When it's cold, I accept being a little colder. I do have a furnace and AC, and I use them both. I'm no Luddite, but I also live in the real world: summer hotter, winter colder. This idea that we MUST manage our environment to keep temps in a narrow comfort range AT ALL TIMES wastes huge amounts of energy. Too hot to go camping?....then don't go camping. Or sweat. Same with food. When I was a kid there was a thing called "seasonal" food. Anyone remember that? For example, you couldn't get strawberries in the winter. They just weren't on the shelves, and no one went to the produce department at the A&P and asked "Where are the strawberries (or the watermelon, or the cantelope)?" No one asked because we already knew the answer. But nowadays I doubt the average child even knows what "seasonal" means. Nowadays you can walk into Walmart and buy a quart of strawberries the size of ping pong balls (and about as tasty) every day of the year (and every hour of the day) for just a couple bucks. THAT's waste. That's an energy-wasting culture run amuck. We grow artificially irrigated and fertilized fruits year round and ship them all over the country so we can have strawberries 24/7? And then we call that a balanced diet. It's insane. All that insanity is pissing away our energy. We can't drive our vans and piss away our energy at the same time. Not for long. I don't want strawberries in the winter. I don't want 5000BTUs of AC on top of a van parked in 100+F Texas. I want to be hot in the summer, cold in the winter, and looking forward to strawberries when they are in season. Balance. No smiley face expressed or implied. |
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In a message dated 06/19/08 16:20:07 Central Daylight Time, dave_king_ev@... writes:
When it's hot, I accept being a little hotter. When it's cold, I accept being a little colder. I do have a furnace and AC, and I use them both. I'm no Luddite, but I also live in the real world: summer hotter, winter colder. This idea that we MUST manage our environment to keep temps in a narrow comfort range AT ALL TIMES wastes huge amounts of energy. Too hot to go camping?....then don't go camping. Or sweat. Same with food. When I was a kid there was a thing called "seasonal" food. Anyone remember that? For example, you couldn't get strawberries in the winter. They just weren't on the shelves, and no one went to the produce department at the A&P and asked "Where are the strawberries (or the watermelon, or the cantelope)?" No one asked because we already knew the answer. But nowadays I doubt the average child even knows what "seasonal" means. Nowadays you can walk into Walmart and buy a quart of strawberries the size of ping pong balls (and about as tasty) every day of the year (and every hour of the day) for just a couple bucks. THAT's waste. That's an energy-wasting culture run amuck. We grow artificially irrigated and fertilized fruits year round and ship them all over the country so we can have strawberries 24/7? And then we call that a balanced diet. It's insane. All that insanity is pissing away our energy. We can't drive our vans and piss away our energy at the same time. Not for long. I don't want strawberries in the winter. I don't want 5000BTUs of AC on top of a van parked in 100+F Texas. I want to be hot in the summer, cold in the winter, and looking forward to strawberries when they are in season. Balance. No smiley face expressed or implied. So...this begs the question.....where do you live? I don't disagree with you in theory. I grew up without air conditioning in houses, schools, churches,businesses, public buildings or cars. But it has been proven that humans are happy and more productive when they are comfortable. Sure humans can 'survive' extremes of heat and cold and even tolerate it, but we really have rather narrow comfort zone. Someone once said....if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Kent Kirkley '97EVC |
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Dave probably lives in a cold climate where it rains and snows all the time. He likely spends his weekends hiding out in his bus feeling pangs of guilt for driving it at all, shivering without heat trying to make himself feel better about it. Or maybe he lives in Miami and takes solace in weekends spent dehydrated and heat struck.
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None of which really has a lot to do with our beloved Busses, though. Mine, I just drove 800 miles down to Telluride, running A/C all the way. If I still lived in the south, you bet I would have an external A/C unit. I'd keep the fridge extra stocked with beer shipped from afar too. (Expressly Stated) smiley face :-) --Michael Wise '99 EVC and '08 R32 Ketchum, Idaho Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message-----
From: "KG KIRKLEY" <kgkirkley@...> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:33:22 To:ev_update@... Subject: Re: [ev_update] Re: A/C and Poptop Photos Added to Photos Section In a message dated 06/19/08 16:20:07 Central Daylight Time, dave_king_ev@... writes: When it's hot, I accept being a little hotter. When it's cold, I accept being a little colder. I do have a furnace and AC, and I use them both. I'm no Luddite, but I also live in the real world: summer hotter, winter colder. This idea that we MUST manage our environment to keep temps in a narrow comfort range AT ALL TIMES wastes huge amounts of energy. Too hot to go camping?....then don't go camping. Or sweat. Same with food. When I was a kid there was a thing called "seasonal" food. Anyone remember that? For example, you couldn't get strawberries in the winter. They just weren't on the shelves, and no one went to the produce department at the A&P and asked "Where are the strawberries (or the watermelon, or the cantelope)?" No one asked because we already knew the answer. But nowadays I doubt the average child even knows what "seasonal" means. Nowadays you can walk into Walmart and buy a quart of strawberries the size of ping pong balls (and about as tasty) every day of the year (and every hour of the day) for just a couple bucks. THAT's waste. That's an energy-wasting culture run amuck. We grow artificially irrigated and fertilized fruits year round and ship them all over the country so we can have strawberries 24/7? And then we call that a balanced diet. It's insane. All that insanity is pissing away our energy. We can't drive our vans and piss away our energy at the same time. Not for long. I don't want strawberries in the winter. I don't want 5000BTUs of AC on top of a van parked in 100+F Texas. I want to be hot in the summer, cold in the winter, and looking forward to strawberries when they are in season. Balance. No smiley face expressed or implied. So...this begs the question.....where do you live? I don't disagree with you in theory. I grew up without air conditioning in houses, schools, churches,businesses, public buildings or cars. But it has been proven that humans are happy and more productive when they are comfortable. Sure humans can 'survive' extremes of heat and cold and even tolerate it, but we really have rather narrow comfort zone. Someone once said....if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Kent Kirkley '97EVC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this group, send a message to mailto:ev_update-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links |
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dave_king_ev
"Dave probably lives in a cold climate where it rains and snows all
the time." Oh c'mon. I'm 60 years old. I've been in the military (spent three years in Ft. Riley, Kansas, so Texas climate is hardly something I saw once on Discovery Channel). I've lived on both coasts (Maine, San Diego) and lived most of my life around the Great Lakes (which have the largest average annual temp extremes of any climate in North America). My daughter lives in Atlanta; it's hot there. Whenever I go to visit all I do is complain (so she tells me). But, as Dylan said, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. This facet of the American Dream -- "I will live my life between 70 and 75 degrees, while traveling between 70 and 75 miles per hour, every moment of every day" -- is categorically unsustainable. Enjoy it while you can, but you (or your children) are going to have to evolve. The Chinese and Indians and Malaysians will insist. --- In ev_update@..., mwise@... wrote: the time. He likely spends his weekends hiding out in his bus feeling pangs of guilt for driving it at all, shivering without heat trying to make himself feel better about it. Or maybe he lives in Miami and takes solace in weekends spent dehydrated and heat struck. though. Mine, I just drove 800 miles down to Telluride, running A/C all the way. If I still lived in the south, you bet I would have an external A/C unit. I'd keep the fridge extra stocked with beer shipped from afar too. Section dave_king_ev@... writes: churches,businesses, public buildings or cars. But it has been proven that humans are happy and more productivewhen they are comfortable. Sure humans can 'survive' extremes of heat and cold and eventolerate it, but we really have rather narrow comfort zone. anything at all.
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Larry Schellhase
Could we get back to EVs and EVCs? If you really need to discuss life style and the human ability to adapt to the environment or not I would hope there is an appropriate place for you to do that. IMO this is not the place.
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Cheers, Larry LA, CA --- On Thu, 6/19/08, dave_king_ev <dave_king_ev@...> wrote:
From: dave_king_ev <dave_king_ev@...> Subject: [ev_update] Re: A/C and Poptop Photos Added to Photos Section To: ev_update@... Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 3:38 PM "Dave probably lives in a cold climate where it rains and snows all the time." Oh c'mon. I'm 60 years old. I've been in the military (spent three years in Ft. Riley, Kansas, so Texas climate is hardly something I saw once on Discovery Channel). I've lived on both coasts (Maine, San Diego) and lived most of my life around the Great Lakes (which have the largest average annual temp extremes of any climate in North America). My daughter lives in Atlanta; it's hot there. Whenever I go to visit all I do is complain (so she tells me). But, as Dylan said, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. This facet of the American Dream -- "I will live my life between 70 and 75 degrees, while traveling between 70 and 75 miles per hour, every moment of every day" -- is categorically unsustainable. Enjoy it while you can, but you (or your children) are going to have to evolve. The Chinese and Indians and Malaysians will insist. --- In ev_update@yahoogrou ps.com, mwise@... wrote: Dave probably lives in a cold climate where it rains and snows allthe time. He likely spends his weekends hiding out in his bus feeling pangs of guilt for driving it at all, shivering without heat trying to make himself feel better about it. Or maybe he lives in Miami and takes solace in weekends spent dehydrated and heat struck. None of which really has a lot to do with our beloved Busses,though. Mine, I just drove 800 miles down to Telluride, running A/C all the way. If I still lived in the south, you bet I would have an external A/C unit. I'd keep the fridge extra stocked with beer shipped from afar too. (Expressly Stated) smiley face :-) --Michael Wise '99 EVC and '08 R32 Ketchum, Idaho Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "KG KIRKLEY" <kgkirkley@. ..> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:33:22 To:ev_update@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [ev_update] Re: A/C and Poptop Photos Added to PhotosSection In a message dated 06/19/08 16:20:07 Central Daylight Time,dave_king_ev@ ... writes: When it's hot, I accept being a little hotter. When it's cold, I accept being a little colder. I do have a furnace and AC, and I use them both. I'm no Luddite, but I also live in the real world: summer hotter, winter colder. This idea that we MUST manage our environment to keep temps in a narrow comfort range AT ALL TIMES wastes huge amounts of energy. Too hot to go camping?.... then don't go camping. Or sweat. Same with food. When I was a kid there was a thing called "seasonal" food. Anyone remember that? For example, you couldn't get strawberries in the winter. They just weren't on the shelves, and no one went to the produce department at the A&P and asked "Where are the strawberries (or the watermelon, or the cantelope)?" No one asked because we already knew the answer. But nowadays I doubt the average child even knows what "seasonal" means. Nowadays you can walk into Walmart and buy a quart of strawberries the size of ping pong balls (and about as tasty) every day of the year (and every hour of the day) for just a couple bucks. THAT's waste. That's an energy-wasting culture run amuck. We grow artificially irrigated and fertilized fruits year round and ship them all over the country so we can have strawberries 24/7? And then we call that a balanced diet. It's insane. All that insanity is pissing away our energy. We can't drive our vans and piss away our energy at the same time. Not for long. I don't want strawberries in the winter. I don't want 5000BTUs of AC on top of a van parked in 100+F Texas. I want to be hot in the summer, cold in the winter, and looking forward to strawberries when they are in season. Balance. No smiley face expressed or implied. So...this begs the question.... .where do you live? I don't disagree with you in theory. I grew up without air conditioning in houses, schools,churches,businesses , public buildings or cars. But it has been proven that humans are happy and more productivewhen they are comfortable. Sure humans can 'survive' extremes of heat and cold and eventolerate it, but we really have rather narrow comfort zone. Someone once said....if you can't say anything nice, don't sayanything at all. Kent Kirkley '97EVC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ To unsubscribe from this group, send a message to mailto:ev_update-unsubscri be@yahoogroups. com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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O c'mon guys.
We can certainly go back to another thread of tranny fluid or how about tires. Or how about some Norcold issues for a change. I don't think its totally inappropriate to discuss or at least bring up the fact that our rigs aren't winning a prize in energy efficiency - even without the added external AC. can we all lighten up a bit? Where is the humor? Life is hard enough. Jeez. Florian 03 MVWK --- In ev_update@..., Larry Schellhase <schellhase@...> wrote: life style and the human ability to adapt to the environment or not I would hope there is an appropriate place for you to do that. IMO this is not the place. and snows all summer thehotter, winter colder. This idea that we MUST manage our environmentto keep temps in a narrow comfort range AT ALL TIMES wastes hugeamounts of energy. Too hot to go camping?.... then don't go camping.Or sweat.Same with food. When I was a kid there was a thing called "seasonal"food. Anyone remember that? For example, you couldn't getstrawberries in the winter. They just weren't on the shelves, and noone went to the produce department at the A&P and asked "Where are vansstrawberries (or the watermelon, or the cantelope)?" No one askedbecause we already knew the answer.But nowadays I doubt the average child even knows what "seasonal"means. Nowadays you can walk into Walmart and buy a quart ofstrawberries the size of ping pong balls (and about as tasty) everyday of the year (and every hour of the day) for just a couple bucks.THAT's waste. That's an energy-wasting culture run amuck. We growartificially irrigated and fertilized fruits year round and ship themall over the country so we can have strawberries 24/7?And then we call that a balanced diet. It's insane.All that insanity is pissing away our energy. We can't drive our and piss away our energy at the same time. Not for long.I don't want strawberries in the winter. I don't want 5000BTUs of ACon top of a van parked in 100+F Texas. I want to be hot in thesummer, cold in the winter, and looking forward to strawberries whenthey are in season.Balance. No smiley face expressed or implied.So...this begs the question.... .where do you live?I don't disagree with you in theory.I grew up without air conditioning in houses, schools,churches,businesses , public buildings or cars.But it has been proven that humans are happy and more productivewhen they are comfortable.Sure humans can 'survive' extremes of heat and cold and eventolerate it, but we really have rather narrow comfort zone.Someone once said....if you can't say anything nice, don't sayanything at all.Kent Kirkley'97EVC[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]------------ --------- --------- ------To unsubscribe from this group, send a message tomailto:ev_update-unsubscri be@yahoogroups. comYahoo! Groups Links |
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jack_son_73
Larry -
I was hoping this thread would last at least another few days, so we could get a few more votes on the "Avoid Off-Topic Posts" list. It did show how the bogus mam-made "Global Warming" is mostly politics - & has become a new religion - "don't look at science, just BELIEVE". Oh, well- it was fun while it lasted. I had many a laugh while working on ladders on top of my EVC today. Regards, Jack_son ================ --In ev_update@..., Larry Schellhase <schellhase@.> wrote: life style and the human ability to adapt to the environment or not I would hope there is an appropriate place for you to do that. IMO this is not the place.
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In a message dated 6/20/08 8:34:38 AM, jmagsaysay@... writes:
Kent,Thanks, Northern Arizona is high enough that perhaps it will have cool enough days to be bearable. Good luck. Kent **** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. () |
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Jose Magsaysay
Kent,
Nice looking install on the A/C. I'm working on getting mine set up the same way. BTW, I like your scope setup as well. I belong to the San Diego club and I also have AP equipment. I'm on my way to the Grand Canyon Star Party this next week and sure wish I had my window A/C ready. I installed a MaxxFan recently and hopefully that will do for now. Clear Skies, Jose Reflectix insulation except those rare (in Texas anyway) Fall or Spring days.In summer, the insulation keeps the heat out and the cool in, inwinter it keeps the heat in and the cold out....Duh!!! |
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