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hard starts, under-hood temp

 

Marve:



With regards to high temperature under the hood, I seem to remember
something from my C. Probst fuel injection manual (foolishly given
away) about how high temperature can cause hard starting, but it had
more to do with the fuel injectors than the fuel lines... I'm probably
wrong, and also look forward to finding the cause of those embarrassing
multiple starting attempts.



I hope that any lurkers with even the foggiest idea of what might be
wrong might consider peeping out of the closet... ;)



One thing for sure, I think that I will certainly ask my dealer to
check the fuel pressure thing, as well as the mystery of the
disappearing coolant. I can't help but think that the latter problem
and the hard starting are linked.



I still have the benefit of a (informal, but binding, as far as I'm
concerned) statement from the salesman that the dealership would fix
anything that was wrong within 30 days of buying it. I'm only at day
19. :) So far it's given me a highly-discounted tune-up (should have
been a condition of the sale, I know), repair of the seat-belt height
adjustment and new front tires because of a flat spot and some ungodly
road noise from the front right tire.



I will certainly keep the list posted.



Marcus Elia

Peterborough, ON

dela@...

'95 EV GLS


Re: New owner; extended warranty question

John Waterman
 

Hi Beaumont and all,
For what it is worth, while my "95 was titled as a Volkswagon, my "99 is titled as a Winnebago.
John

"Vance, Beaumont W." wrote:

The permanent restroom excuse is a crock. My old agent told me the same
thing because they wanted the higher commission. I don't think Allstate
requires a bathroom. Part of the confusion comes from the NADA listing of
the Eurovan. A lazy agent will look up the GL and conclude that it is a
regular van. Of course, this doesn't apply with the old vans. However, the
Eurovan is indeed a recreational vehicle. How many normal cars have propane
heat, stoves and fridge's?

The rate is lower because a) people who drive RV's tend to be pretty safe
and b) people tend not to drive RV's as often as a regular auto.

I would talk to another agent.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sklashley@... [mailto:Sklashley@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 2:31 PM
To: schellhase@...; ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: New owner; extended warranty question

I tried to get an RV policy for my '74 Westy and was told that it had to
have
a permanent restroom on board to qualify.? However, I found and even better
deal on a "recreational use" policy through State Farm.? No mileage
requirements, full coverage and for only $200 a year.? I don't think it
would
cover the interior contents, but make sure you send them a list of all of
your added accessories like furnace, bike rack, awning, stereo, or any other

installed items.

Steve Lashley
'66 Westy
'74 Campmobile
'93 EV MV
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Re: New owner; extended warranty question

John Waterman
 

Steve,
Mine is the standard port-a-potty. Wasn't questioned on it by Allstate, but my
CPA wife has advised me that this is what is required to make the EV a deductable
item as a second home.
John

Sklashley@... wrote:

I tried to get an RV policy for my '74 Westy and was told that it had to have
a permanent restroom on board to qualify. However, I found and even better
deal on a "recreational use" policy through State Farm. No mileage
requirements, full coverage and for only $200 a year. I don't think it would
cover the interior contents, but make sure you send them a list of all of
your added accessories like furnace, bike rack, awning, stereo, or any other
installed items.

Steve Lashley
'66 Westy
'74 Campmobile
'93 EV MV
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Re: New owner; extended warranty question

John Waterman
 

Larry,
I am relatively certain that it is.? Check with your friendly neighborhood Allstate agent (remember their policy is "Friend or Foe, we pay no dough!).
John

Larry Schellhase wrote:

Is this policy available outside of Colorado?

--- John Waterman wrote:
> Chuck,
> I totally concur with Beaumont on this.? The
> additional advantage of this over a
> standard automobile policy is that it also carries
> with it $5000 worth of
> insurance on the contents of the vehicle (it is a
> "home" after all).? Further,
> this coverage and the comprehensive are valid in
> Mexico which is significant for
> Ann and I as we travel to central Mexico with some
> frequency (Mexican liability
> is still required, buy at the border).? Previously
> we would purchase liability
> and comprehensive at Sanbornes for around $260 for
> two weeks.? Now we can get by
> with liability only for about $75.
> John
>
> "Vance, Beaumont W." wrote:
>
> > Well Chuck, I knew exactly what I was talking
> about and that is good enough
> > for me ;-)
> >
> > Allstate offers auto insurance (collision, theft,
> the standard stuff) for
> > $500/year. You also get contents coverage with the
> policy. It is about 45%
> > of what a regular auto policy costs. My agent (and
> a very close friend) is
> > Ken Canada, JD? 303-277-9120. He is a very good
> guy and not only has his law
> > degree, but was an adjuster for a long time. He
> knows his stuff.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charles Bragg [mailto:cgbragg@...]
> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:30 AM
> > To: ev_update@...
> > Subject: [ev_update] Re: New owner; extended
> warranty question
> >
> > At 09:43 AM 11/08/1999 -0700, Beaumont wrote:
> > >The absolutely best coverage for the EVC (campers
> only). They classify it
> > as
> > >an RV and charge $500/year. My buddy is an agent
> if anyone interested.
> >
> >???????? Beaumont, such an intriguing message, but
> *what* is this coverage?
> > Who are "they"? I'm definitely interested.
> >
> >???????? -- Chuck
> > ========
> > Chuck Bragg, Santa Monica Bay Audubon
> >
> > cgbragg@...
> > fax: 209-671-6396
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Fridge High Altitude Kit??

 

I have a '97 EVCamper and have obtained the high altitude kit for
'fridge from Winnebago. They supplied it free and a dealer would
install it for free.
In looking the installation kit over, it seems that an additional vent
has to be cut in the vehicle body below current vent. It appears this
vent will be mounted about where there is a deep body crease. Is this
the case ? and if so, how is it sealed?
Kent Kirkley
'97 EvCamper
'86 Vanagon
'81 Vanagon
'74 BMW2002
'95 BMW M3


Re: Shocks

 

ozcolema-@... wrote:
original article:
I'm looking into new shocks for my 93 EV MV Weekender (84,000 miles).
I've heard recommendations for Bilsteins in this group and was planning
to get them. Then I spoke to a trusted mechanic friend who recommended
KYB gas shocks as an alternate. Has anybody had experiences with KYB's?

John Coleman
Boulder, CO
I'm a new member of this EV Group, having had an 1981 & 1986 Vanagon
and now having a 1997 EVCamper and I put KYB's on my '86 Vanagon and
they were great.
I found out about them from a friend who used to race off road dune
buggies in southern California. He contended they were surperior to
Bilstein's, in that they would last longer and cost less. As a matter
of fact, I'm considering replacing my stock shocks and tires in the
near future as I don't like the ride or handling characteristics right
now, although it has only 18k miles on it.
Does anyone know if the stock shocks (Booge) are gas shocks or just
hydralic??
Kent Kirkey


Re: EV Cat

John F. Gladu
 

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 sanae@... wrote:
How do you know your Cat is bad, did it fail an emissions test? I was
curious. I not you have ~106K miles - I had cats last much longer. If
its bad, do you have any ideas on how/why it failed - was the oil
overfilled? Is the the oxygen sensor okay? questions, questions...
Had mine replaced today with a generic (smaller) unit with a two year
warranty. How did I know that the original was bad? Because of the loud
clanking noises that it made and by the way that the core plugged up the
pipe and prevented the exhaust gasses from escaping. Lost all power but
would still idle. Hitting the cat with a hammer got me going again (to
the muffler shop). It's running fine now.

I got a look at the old one after it had been removed - the entire
honeycombed core was floating around loose inside and pieces of it had
broken off.

To add to my day we found cracks in the resonator and the muffler, a
broken exhaust pipe hangar (rubber thing upstream of the cat), the heat
shield between the exhaust and the gas tank has lost its front mount and
is dangling and the CV boots are shredded. But those things can wait...

bcnu - Grungy
93 Eurovan
90 Vanagon
69 Beetle
60 ddd Panel walk-thru


Re: EV Cat

 

sana-@... wrote:
original article:
Rod,

How do you know your Cat is bad, did it fail an emissions test? I was
curious. I not you have ~106K miles - I had cats last much longer.
If
its bad, do you have any ideas on how/why it failed - was the oil
overfilled? Is the the oxygen sensor okay? questions, questions...

Jerry

strgcar-@... wrote:
original article:
"bruce curry" <taiz-@...> wrote:
original article:
Not to Question Authority here but I understand from following the
list fo9r
awhile that a generic $150 cat from Midas/Meinecke/Walker/whoever
is
built
to the same spec that the $900 VW cat is. The cat is high on my
list
of oem
parts that are not worth the extra dinero.

Bruce
93 weekender
Bruce,
I agree. At some point there is a breakover in the price/quality
ratio
where it's just not woth the extra $$. From a post back in
September,
one EV owner had a Meinecke cat installed for $235. He did mention
a
slight loss in power especially when climbing in 4-5th gear. That
does
concern me, or at least makes me wonder about the flow
characteristics
of that cat. I have a $298 quote for an OEM cat from
germanautos.com.
The installation looks pretty straight forward (Ha!). I'll seee if
the
Bus Depot has a similar or better price.

Thanks, Rod in west Texas
'93 EV MV w/ 106,000 miles
Jerry,
I've noticed over the past half year or so a decrease in fuel milage,
from 18-19 around town to a constant 16, from 21-22 on the road to
18-19 mpg. I gave it a complete tuneup which didn't improve the mpg
and was stumped. Recently though I've had a bad rattling under the van
which turned out to be inside the cat. So I think it's a mechanical
failure of the cat internals.

Rod in west Texas


Re: Why add raingutters?

 

In a message dated 11/11/1999 12:49:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Sklashley@... writes:

<< 1. To keep rain from running into your door or windows when open. If you
have a poptop, the built in roof gutters are now covered up. >>

This is so true as those of us on the Wet Coast (Willamette Valley of Oregon)
and attest. Just today this happened to me as our EV was parked, but when I
came out it wasn't raining. I had the window down about half way and even
with the Weathertech rain and wind deflectors I had a nice stream of
rainwater cascading in the van.

I can't wait until Steve gets his shipment!!

Rolland Brower
99 Weekender


Re: Roof top carrier for EVC

 

Just a curious question. I don't think I will be installing a roof rack, but
does anyone know if the Weekender roofs are fibreglass or ABS?

TIA

Rolland Brower
99 Weekender


Re: Hard starting prob

 

I've been following the hard starting thread with interest because I've
had the same problem since I bought my '95 EVC with 9000 miles on it.
The dealer says he'd have to put the fuel pressure checker on it to
diagnose it, and rather than pay the money for diagnosis I've just
lived with the problem. When I try to start the camper after it has
been sitting for a while after being fully warmed up in hot weather, it
will either stumble and then begin running normally or won't start on
the first try. Usually it starts on the 2nd try but sometimes it takes
3-4 tries. Seems like maybe the fuel in the fuel line vaporizes due to
the heat in the engine compartment. I don't have the problem in the
winter.
Hope someone posts the fix to this problem which a number of us have
experienced.
Marve
'95 EVC


Re: Engine surges

Eckhard Rolz
 

dvanulden@... wrote:

My 92EVGL surges during warm-up, has anyone else had this problem?.
Once warm everything appears normal. When it surges it seems that it is
trying to stall, the rpm will drop suddenly but doesn't rise above the
set idle speed. Throttle position does not affect it. When surging,
there is a strong sulphur odor from the tail pipe. It is really
becoming annoying and is probably hard on the drivetrain as it bucks
violently on the highway until it is fully warm.
When mine started doing this I bought a can of Intake Cleaner and cleaned
out all the gunk by spraying it into the air intake. It did improve the
idling but did not solve the problem. I finally took it to a mechanic who
replaced the Idle Stabilizer Valve, which is that silver thing on top of
your engine. The part was very expensive ($160??). There is a way to test it
but I don't know how to.
My symptoms were similar to yours, in addition, every time I turned the
A/C on when the engine was warming up it would stall. I also cleaned all
the ground connections I could find.
Eckhard


Re: Roof top carrier for EVC

Justin Scheller
 

Vance,
Ski holders that go on a hitch. Try Yakama or Thule.
Justin


Re: Roof top carrier for EVC

DANIEL R HERBERT
 

John:

While I would not want to cast doubt on the information
with which you were provided, I would like to mention, as
long-time readers of this list will recall, that my
"indestructible" ABS roof self-destructed by cracking
across its width (replaced by Winnebago).

IIRC, another listee sufered the identical failure.

That's why I wouldn't drill into or through the roof.

Dan

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:12:49 -0800 John Watkins
<jcwatkin@...> wrote:

I recently purchased a 99 EVC.
----------------------
DANIEL R HERBERT
Manager, Computer Services
Faculty of Dentistry
University of Toronto
dan.herbert@...


Re: Roof top carrier for EVC

Vance, Beaumont W.
 

Great Info John!

Does anyone out there know of a ski rack that attaches to the trailer hatch.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Watkins [mailto:jcwatkin@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 11:13 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: Roof top carrier for EVC


I recently purchased a 99 EVC. I too am interested in roof racks. I called
the people that product the Roof Rack and Escape Pod which appears in the
Winnebago literature. Here is a summary of what they told me. My comments
are in brackets.

The pop-up roof on the 99 EVC is made of ABS, not fiberglass.

[Note: Among other things ABS is used to make whitewater canoes and kayaks
that are pretty mush indestructible. However I'm not a materials engineer so
I don't know if this is the same ABS. Or what its qualities are in terms of
durability and strength.]

Their racks are installed by drilling holes part of the way through the roof
and inserting rubber sleeves that are tipped with a bolt. The hole you drill
does not go all the way through the roof. You then install a rubber pad over
the hole, put the mounting hardware on top of that, and bolt the assembled
pieces to the roof. The gasket/bolt sleeve expands as you tighten the bolt.
As it expands it presses against the sides of the hole you have drilled.
This keeps the mounting hardware in place. This is the same principle as the
devices used to mount shelves and what not on walls.

[Note: I have seen similar mounting assemblies form Yakima and others rack
producers.]

The racks themselves are designed to present a low profile. The bars are
oval in shape. The mounting hardware is also shaped for smooth aerodynamic
look. I was told that this should reduce drag and not raise the clearance
excessively while presenting a pleasing appearance.

The positioning of the racks in the Winnebago literature illustrations show
them about four feet apart. The distance is dictated by what you will be
mounting. If you want to mount boats they can be further apart than if you
are mounting bicycles or the Escape Pod. But the mounting fixtures are not
movable, that is they do not slide along a track.

I found the folks I spoke to be friendly and knowledgeable about mounting
their racks on the EVC. I was told the company makes racks for many of the
campers on the road today.

Anyway, that's what I found out.

I too am curious about the benefits of adding rain gutters. Would some one
care to summarize?

John

----- Original Message -----
From: <schapal@...>
To: <ev_update@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 07:54 AM
Subject: [ev_update] Roof top carrier for EVC


I've been looking for a roof top carrier for my 97 EVC which
will fit in the luggage bin above the cab. I have focused on
soft type carriers and have found a few, none of which is ideally
proportioned for this space. I have seen no hard top carriers
to fit this purpose [right size, aerodynamics]. Does anyone
have suggestions for solutions or sources?

Also, I see the Roof Rack and Escape Pod in the Winnebago literature.
Does anyone have this one or something similar and can comment?
This appears to bolt into the plastic of the pop top.

Why are people opting for add-on rain gutters for the EVC?
Isn't this cumbersome interacting with the pop up top when
racks are in use? I'm sure that there is no best solution for
all situations, but perhaps there is some wisdom out there I
can tap into.

Thanks in advance.

Scott Chapal
'97 EVC


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Re: Roof top carrier for EVC

John Watkins
 

I recently purchased a 99 EVC. I too am interested in roof racks. I called
the people that product the Roof Rack and Escape Pod which appears in the
Winnebago literature. Here is a summary of what they told me. My comments
are in brackets.

The pop-up roof on the 99 EVC is made of ABS, not fiberglass.

[Note: Among other things ABS is used to make whitewater canoes and kayaks
that are pretty mush indestructible. However I'm not a materials engineer so
I don't know if this is the same ABS. Or what its qualities are in terms of
durability and strength.]

Their racks are installed by drilling holes part of the way through the roof
and inserting rubber sleeves that are tipped with a bolt. The hole you drill
does not go all the way through the roof. You then install a rubber pad over
the hole, put the mounting hardware on top of that, and bolt the assembled
pieces to the roof. The gasket/bolt sleeve expands as you tighten the bolt.
As it expands it presses against the sides of the hole you have drilled.
This keeps the mounting hardware in place. This is the same principle as the
devices used to mount shelves and what not on walls.

[Note: I have seen similar mounting assemblies form Yakima and others rack
producers.]

The racks themselves are designed to present a low profile. The bars are
oval in shape. The mounting hardware is also shaped for smooth aerodynamic
look. I was told that this should reduce drag and not raise the clearance
excessively while presenting a pleasing appearance.

The positioning of the racks in the Winnebago literature illustrations show
them about four feet apart. The distance is dictated by what you will be
mounting. If you want to mount boats they can be further apart than if you
are mounting bicycles or the Escape Pod. But the mounting fixtures are not
movable, that is they do not slide along a track.

I found the folks I spoke to be friendly and knowledgeable about mounting
their racks on the EVC. I was told the company makes racks for many of the
campers on the road today.

Anyway, that's what I found out.

I too am curious about the benefits of adding rain gutters. Would some one
care to summarize?

John

----- Original Message -----
From: <schapal@...>
To: <ev_update@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 07:54 AM
Subject: [ev_update] Roof top carrier for EVC


I've been looking for a roof top carrier for my 97 EVC which
will fit in the luggage bin above the cab. I have focused on
soft type carriers and have found a few, none of which is ideally
proportioned for this space. I have seen no hard top carriers
to fit this purpose [right size, aerodynamics]. Does anyone
have suggestions for solutions or sources?

Also, I see the Roof Rack and Escape Pod in the Winnebago literature.
Does anyone have this one or something similar and can comment?
This appears to bolt into the plastic of the pop top.

Why are people opting for add-on rain gutters for the EVC?
Isn't this cumbersome interacting with the pop up top when
racks are in use? I'm sure that there is no best solution for
all situations, but perhaps there is some wisdom out there I
can tap into.

Thanks in advance.

Scott Chapal
'97 EVC


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Re: EV Cat

 

Rod,

How do you know your Cat is bad, did it fail an emissions test? I was
curious. I not you have ~106K miles - I had cats last much longer. If
its bad, do you have any ideas on how/why it failed - was the oil
overfilled? Is the the oxygen sensor okay? questions, questions...

Jerry

strgcar-@... wrote:
original article:
"bruce curry" <taiz-@...> wrote:
original article:
Not to Question Authority here but I understand from following the
list fo9r
awhile that a generic $150 cat from Midas/Meinecke/Walker/whoever is
built
to the same spec that the $900 VW cat is. The cat is high on my
list
of oem
parts that are not worth the extra dinero.

Bruce
93 weekender
Bruce,
I agree. At some point there is a breakover in the price/quality
ratio
where it's just not woth the extra $$. From a post back in September,
one EV owner had a Meinecke cat installed for $235. He did mention a
slight loss in power especially when climbing in 4-5th gear. That does
concern me, or at least makes me wonder about the flow characteristics
of that cat. I have a $298 quote for an OEM cat from germanautos.com.
The installation looks pretty straight forward (Ha!). I'll seee if the
Bus Depot has a similar or better price.

Thanks, Rod in west Texas
'93 EV MV w/ 106,000 miles


EV Cat

Justin Scheller
 

I had an aftermarket cat put on my '93 GL (auto trany) and there was no
difference in power only the sound was a little different and I saved 400 bucks.
Justin


Roof top carrier for EVC

 

I've been looking for a roof top carrier for my 97 EVC which
will fit in the luggage bin above the cab. I have focused on
soft type carriers and have found a few, none of which is ideally
proportioned for this space. I have seen no hard top carriers
to fit this purpose [right size, aerodynamics]. Does anyone
have suggestions for solutions or sources?

Also, I see the Roof Rack and Escape Pod in the Winnebago literature.
Does anyone have this one or something similar and can comment?
This appears to bolt into the plastic of the pop top.

Why are people opting for add-on rain gutters for the EVC?
Isn't this cumbersome interacting with the pop up top when
racks are in use? I'm sure that there is no best solution for
all situations, but perhaps there is some wisdom out there I
can tap into.

Thanks in advance.

Scott Chapal
'97 EVC


Engine surges

 

My 92EVGL surges during warm-up, has anyone else had this problem?.
Once warm everything appears normal. When it surges it seems that it is
trying to stall, the rpm will drop suddenly but doesn't rise above the
set idle speed. Throttle position does not affect it. When surging,
there is a strong sulphur odor from the tail pipe. It is really
becoming annoying and is probably hard on the drivetrain as it bucks
violently on the highway until it is fully warm.

Another note to those that may have engine problems. Another 92EVGL
owner, a friend of mine, had many problems with idling, especially when
cold outside. He has since found out from a seemingly knowledgable
fellow in Burnaby, British Columbia, that many of the common symptoms
are caused by a dirty ground for the Control Unit(near battery). He
cleaned this ground up and months of poor drivability have corrected
themselves.

As for the fuel line leaks, mine did as well. The Canadian recall was
done, but that was only clamp replacement. The lines are the same and
still leak. I brought this to the attention of the VW dealer, and they
said the recall was done and they couldn't find any leaks on my van
anyway. I then replaced the rubber sections of the lines after cutting
off the ferrules. I used fuel line hose from VW as it is metric and fit
the lines better. I used line from the Vanagon fuel system; the line
from the firewall to the injection T-fitting.

Hope some of this helps

Dirk 92EVGL