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Subject: [ev_update] Re: New owner of used 2002 GLS

The 02 manual lists 5w30 as an alternate to the 5w40 synthetic.
I don't remember the specified API rating off the top of my head.

...and actually I can't find 5w40 in the local stores, so I'm using
a 5w50 synthetic blend (Castrol Syntec).

But with regular oil I would change it every 3000-4000 miles.

Walmart carries Shell Rotella 5-40 synthetic.It's in the blue bottle and
sells for just under $13 for a gallon. Lots of tdi owners are using it. And
they are changing it at 10k mile intervals. The white bottles are regular
dino oil.

Hi,

I seems that the rear heater in our '99 GLS is not blowing. I looked inside
the vent to see if there were any blockages and there weren't. Looked
underneath the van and the heater is getting hot... Just not blowing.

Are there fuses associated with this that can be checked? Anyone with a
Bentley book care to look this up for me please...

If it isn't a fuse... Is it the whole blower unit? Anything else to
troubleshoot or check?

Anyone know how much a new rear heater is? Can the old one be rebuilt or
repaired?

Thank you,

Brad
--
Brad A. Schwartz ----> baschwar@... ---->

Break-in needs are mostly a function of manufacturing precision....the more
precision the less need for break-in. Modern engines are more precise (and
oils are better), so the break-in need is less, but this is not an on/off
thing. I would still observe safe practices, which is keep the rpms well
below redline, don't chug the engine and don't cruise at the same speed for
hours at a time. IOW, don't let the rpms get too low, too high or steady
state; mix it up under modest conditions as best you can, at least for that
first few tanks of gas.

(BTW, that's the same technique you should use when warming up a cold
engine. Don't just start it and jump on the freeway....give it a mile or
two of varying rpm on surface streets to warm up.)

Are we supposed to put synthetic oil in a 99 EV? Regular oil OK?

Volks,

Based on inputs from Tom Forhan,

It appears there are three front seat versions on the 83-91 Vans:

VW P/N's

251 881 375 ... Stock

251 881 375A for the swiveling seat

255 881 375A for GL models.

I'd really like to find a way to get the measurements from these.

On my 85 Westy and 90 Westy Syncro (both GL's) have the same swivel
seats and the measurements are the same.

So I assume they have the P/N 251 881 375A seat.

Seat Measurements:

Back Cushion Width ... 19" (at widest)
Back Cushion Height ... 20" (at widest)

Bottom Cushion Width ... 20" (at widest) .... >>> my 85 is 21" but maybe
it's because of wear, flattened out.
Bottom Cushion Depth ... 21" (at deepest)
Bottom Cushion Thickness ... 5" (at thinnest)
Bottom Cushion Thickness ... 6" (at thickest)

Can someone help please?

Need measurements from the:

251 881 375 ... Stock Non-Swivel

255 881 375A for GL Non-Swivel


Not hitting the trail soon enough,

Larry Chase

Email: lchase@...
Web: www.roadhaus.com <> - Under Construction
What: The Great North American Road Trip
When: Early 2003
How: RoadHaus - 1990 2.2 L VW Westfalia Syncro
Today: Mesa, AZ - 12V Stuff
From: Mesa, AZ











Not hitting the trail soon enough,

Larry Chase

Email: lchase@...
Web: www.roadhaus.com <> - Under Construction
What: The Great North American Road Trip
When: Early 2003
How: RoadHaus - 1990 2.2 L VW Westfalia Syncro
Today: Mesa, AZ - 12V Stuff
From: Mesa, AZ

Az wrote:

"Ok, I'm having a hard time understanding this. How the heck can it
(GLS)
have "significantly more legroom" (than the MV) when it's the same
vehicle with
the same seats?"

Well, it seemed to me that either the front seats are mounted farther
back or the adjustment track is longer on the GLS. Since I didn't have
the two vehicles sitting next to each other, it may be that I just got
that impression due to the more limited MV recline (don't think so), or
more likely due to the rearward travel of the front seats being limited
by the middle seats in the MV. Whatever the cause, I know that in the MV
front passenger seat I could barely get my knees off the dashboard, and
in the driver seat (I sit relatively close for my size) I barely felt
like I had enough room with the seat all the way back. In the GLS I
could almost straighten my legs in both seats. Now maybe this is also
the case if you remove the middle seats from the MV, but that would
negate the whole reason for getting an EV in the first place.

Todd Kenyon

I too am & have been wrestling with the decison to try to keep the
93 going vs buying new while we still can.....Obviously, it's a
decision that we can all only make for ourselves. As pieces seem to
be falling off my car at an ever accelerating rate, my car is making
the decision for me ;-(
We're discussing tying the new EV purchase into a vacation and
buying it there and driving it home (if we do our usual "visit the
family" trip out west) or driving around Europe and shipping it home
(esp attractive if we get some of the Europe only stuff). Given the
modern engines & oils, how important is the 1,000km breakin period?
There are some who say the period is a holdover from the old days,
and some who even say driving hard when new is a better way to break
in an engine, (though these seem to be mostly motorcycle folk
(Az?)). Two local dealers say it doesn't matter at all, but they
also are trying to sell (slightly) used cars they bought to ferry
their kids cross country to college.
Any opinions?
RWC

In a message dated 12/16/2002 11:20:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rkbowmans@... writes:

Is there anything non-standard about the battery in the Eurovan,
or will it be a simple matter to get a replacement at Sears

Basic battery is fine. I have had good luck with Sears and their warranty.
Hope you decide quickly and can avoid being stranded.


Bob Williams
Severna Park, MD
Ex-1993 Weekender
Now 2001 Weekender p
VIN WV2NB47031H104628

Lee Hart wrote:

Can anyone tell me what items I should have gotten but didn't?

jeff_westy wrote:

The '03's are the same... check out

Thanks Jeff, but that's not specific enough. For example:

1. No owner's manual. Even the dealer agreed that this is missing, and
ordered one for me.

2. I got 2 keys; one with the remote lock buttons that will start the
car, and one that has only a light in it, and won't start the car
(the valet key, I guess). Should there be two keys?

3. The '03s I looked at had rubber pads in the trays between the front
and middle jump seats. Mine has empty plastic trays. Are the pads
missing?

4. There are no snap-on curtains for the windows, but they were in the
'03s on the lot. The cost to order them is amazing (like $700). Are
they missing?

5. The '03 Eurovans have 15" wheels. This one has 16". Are these a
stock option, or something the previous owner installed?
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen

In a message dated 12/16/2002 12:58:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
leeahart@... writes:

1. No owner's manual. Even the dealer agreed that this is missing, and
ordered one for me.

Concur that you should have an owner's manual. It is in separate volumes.
You should be able to look at a new EV and see what to expect.

2. I got 2 keys; one with the remote lock buttons that will start the
car, and one that has only a light in it, and won't start the car
(the valet key, I guess). Should there be two keys?

There should be two keys that lock/unlock the doors plus control the
ignition. You should also get one other key which can be used to lock/unlock
doors manually and start the ignition.

3. The '03s I looked at had rubber pads in the trays between the front
and middle jump seats. Mine has empty plastic trays. Are the pads
missing?

My '01 Weekender does not have rubber pads...a visit to the local hardware
store can be useful if you want such pads.

4. There are no snap-on curtains for the windows, but they were in the
'03s on the lot. The cost to order them is amazing (like $700). Are
they missing?

Yes, you should have a full set.

5. The '03 Eurovans have 15" wheels. This one has 16". Are these a
stock option, or something the previous owner installed?

According to the VW website, the '03s have 16" wheels as did the '02s. No
one should be going back to the 15" wheels used on pre-2001 EVs.

Regards,
Bob Williams
Severna Park, MD
Ex-1993 Weekender
Now 2001 Weekender p
VIN WV2NB47031H104628

tameling2000 wrote:

I just purchased a GLS with 9000 miles on it for $17,000...
The young drivers didn't perform the new vehicle engine break in
nor did they change the oil.

Was the oil level still ok? If so, they probably didn't do too much
damage yet. Modern oils are pretty tough.

You could take a sample of the oil, and send it in to be analyzed; that
would tell you if there were a significant amount of wear particles or
evidence that the oil was breaking down.

But, you probably drained the old oil already, so it's gone. The bottom
line is that they probably did cause some excess wear, but it won't show
up until 100,000 miles or so.

Has anyone been able to find the in dash single CD player shown in
the manual?

Our dealer had it in stock, and said the list price is $457 (plus tax)
installed.
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen

rbiegel1@... wrote:

Currently the '03 vehicle they have lists for $28,660 (MV + paint +
destination) and they have reduced it to $26,900 and suggest there
is more room.

We were quoted $26,767 for an '03 MV that was stickered at $28,315 at
our dealer in St. Cloud Minnesota. We ordered the Consumer's Union New
Car Price Reports, and it lists the dealer's actual price as $25,226, so
there's still a little room to talk them down.
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen

I just purchased a GLS with 9000 miles on it for $17,000 to replace a
1997 Honda Odyssey, that I still own. The GLS was purchased in
Vermont and driven to California for a sales promotion, laden with
sales material. The young drivers didn't perform the new vehicle
engine break in nor did they change the oil. It seems to drive fine,
but the brakes grab at low speeds (like backing into my garage). Would
this be caused by dirt on the calipers? Has anyone been able to find
the in dash single CD player shown in the manual?

Saw this on MSN.ca Carpoint. It is at a Vancouver BC dealer.

Volkswagen EUROVAN GL 1992

Miracle Auto Sales Contact:
1-604-473-5051

Price: $6,990.00 CDN

Stock Number : 1878900241
Status : Used
Transmission : Automatic
Interior Color : Grey
Exterior Color : Red
Vehicle Options : Power Locks, Power Windows
Description : local


Dirk ex 92EVGL

AZ - With the MV driver seat in a comfortable position (for me at 6'3") the
rear facing seat back directly behind the driver would have to be set very
upright. Try telling a kid that he had to sit that way for 4 hours. (I've
done all this because I would really prefer the MV layout - It just does not
work out for the above reason.
This isn't something there can be any disagreement about. Driver seat
adjustment adequacy is subjective from anatomy to anatomy - not just total
height counts, but also arm length, torso height, and leg length. But there
is a real difference between the two configurations in this regard that
might be a deal killer for some for the MV.

John Sennett

--- In ev_update@..., "tnkenyon <todd.kenyon@i...>"
<todd.kenyon@i...> wrote:

Thanks to those who responded to my query regarding GLS vs MV. I
actually got to see a tornado red GLS at a closed dealer today,

and

by golly, it was unlocked. I have been in a GLS before a while

back,

but after borrowing an MV for a weekend and then sitting in this

GLS

I realized that the GLS has significantly more legroom in the

front

seats as some listers mentioned. Being 6'4", with a tall wife as

Ok, I'm having a hard time understanding this. How the heck can it
have "significantly more legroom" when it's the same vehicle with
the same seats? I have a Weekender, and I'm 6'2", and my seat goes
all the way back. The tilt of the seat *back* may be limited because
it runs into the rear facing seat back, but the base is exactly the
same. How can this impact legroom?

(And fwiw, I easily found a happy medium between for both seats to
be comfortable since the attitude of the rear facing seat back can
be changed, it simply means that neither seat can have an excessive
amount of recline)

Az

Michael,

That's exactly the case.

I expected to pay a performance price for the larger tire diameter.

But was surprised it was so much.

Larry

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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:04:12 -0500
From: "Michael G. McCarthy" <mgmccarthy@...>
Subject: Re: Engine Performance vs Tire Size

Not sure I follow this.

You are saying you rebuilt the engine and got a seat-of-the-pants
impression
that you had gained 10-15% in performance (using the same tires before
and
after the rebuilt, I presume).

Then, you changed to an oversize tire and lost the performance you had
gained, so you are right back where you started seat-of-the-pants wise?

Thanks to those who responded to my query regarding GLS vs MV. I
actually got to see a tornado red GLS at a closed dealer today, and
by golly, it was unlocked. I have been in a GLS before a while back,
but after borrowing an MV for a weekend and then sitting in this GLS
I realized that the GLS has significantly more legroom in the front
seats as some listers mentioned. Being 6'4", with a tall wife as
well, that sealed it for us, we will get a GLS. Also decided we
didn't like the red as much as we thought we would, so it'll be the
default silver.

As for the lease deal someone asked about, it is the green light
lease where VW pays your first month's payment, and there are no
other up front charges. You pay nothing at all for one month. And
this is not one of those deals where they just roll it back in later
in the lease. It is an excellent lease, and we are getting $1000 off
sticker (on an '03) to boot.

Volks,

OK, I think I almost have the Vanagon Front seat size thing sorted out
(previous post "Front Seat Sizes - Need Info"

Would someone please take some measurements for me on a Stock Vanagon
Seat not on a swivel base.

See Below.

Based on input received from my original posting it appears the
difference in Vanagon/Westy Seats is whether they came mounted on swivel
bases or not.

Those on swivel bases seem to be smaller (Thickness, Width, Depth etc)

I've been told that's the only difference in seats from 1983 - 1991.


1983 - 1991

Swivel base Seat Measurements:

Back Cushion Width ... 19" (at widest)
Back Cushion Height ... 20" (at widest)

Bottom Cushion Width ... 20" (at widest)
Bottom Cushion Depth ... 21" (at deepest)
Bottom Cushion Depth ... 5" (smallest)
Bottom Cushion Depth ... 6" (largest)


Non-Swivel Base Seat Measurements

Back Cushion Width ... ? (at widest)
Back Cushion Height ... ? (at widest)

Bottom Cushion Width ... ? (at widest)
Bottom Cushion Depth ... ? (at deepest)
Bottom Cushion Depth ...? (smallest)
Bottom Cushion Depth ... ? (largest)

Are there any other front seat sizes that were available?

Am I correct about all the years between 83-91 being the same?


Not hitting the trail soon enough,

Larry Chase

Email: lchase@...
Web: www.roadhaus.com <> - Under Construction
What: The Great North American Road Trip
When: Early 2003
How: RoadHaus - 1990 2.2 L VW Westfalia Syncro
Today: Mesa, AZ - 12V Stuff
From: Mesa, AZ

Dexron III is actually a test specification from General Motors. The
reason Dex II or IIE isn't on the bottle is because it would then
have to be tested to that version of the specification (i.e. it
would co$t). But since the Dex III spec is an evolution of prior
specs, you should be okay. I believe they actually have the same
base-stock for the oil, but different additive packages.

Jeff

--- In ev_update@..., "erdnasx <adihome@w...>"
<adihome@w...> wrote:

Hello,
I try to change my transmission fluid.
At Murrays or Autozone the in the manual recommended ATF Dextron

or

Dextron II is not available anymore. They only sell the Dextron

III.

Can this also be used on my tranny?
'93 eurovan 2,5l
thanx
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