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JC,

I'm not sure you are out of the woods just yet. If I follow what you
are saying is the cause - incorrect replcement of the air filter
housing - its not clear to me how this could cause an overheating
problem...

In any case, recheck the coolant level a few times to make sure the
mechanic correctly topped the coolant level (there is a small bleeder
screw that you remove to let the air escape out the backside as you
are adding coolant to the tank. Try running the heater in the
morning when its cooler. After the EV is warm and the heater is
running, open the hood and check the coolant level, it should at
least at the minimum level.

Hope you have it solved.
Jerry

I dont think the newer one will fit but you can use some houshold AC or heating
fitlers and cut to size.

"Christian R." wrote:

Mike,

I think Joseph is "correct" in that the pan plays an integral part in
managing the air flow.

If you look closely at the underside of the hood (at least for the 93
model) you will note a scope in the middle of the hood that directs
air past the top of engine so it can run down the backside of the
head/block to carry away heat from the exhaust manifold out the
bottom of the EV.

In a similar fashion, the belly pan seals large portions of space
below so as to direct air flow in a specific manner. The air that
runs through the radiator has to have a place to go, or you lose
cooling efficiency because there is reduced air flow through the
radiator. It would not surprise me if they tweaked the pan design
to; 1. help cooling (by having the flow below create a vacuum under
the engine to "suck" the cooler air from the scoop down the
backside), and/or better manage air flow under the EV for better
aerodynamics...

My 2 cents
Jerry

--- In ev_update@y..., "Michael G. McCarthy" <mgmccarthy@c...> wrote:

The EV pan does not direct air toward cooling and as such is not

like the

Renault in this regard. The radiators are entirely in front and

above the

bumper, where their air supply is controlled by the motion of the

vehicle

and by thermostatic fans. Even if the "efficiency" of the system

suffered

(and it doesn't) at worst all that would happen is the fans would

run more

often, and potentially wear out sooner. There would be no long

term damage

to the engine in any case.

Why bother with a pan? It makes a lot of things easier to engineer

because

those things don't then have to be tucked out of harm's way.

Hoses, wiring

harnesses, fittings, bolt-on components, etc can all be placed

wherever they

are placed without any regard to exposure to the elements, and

that's a much

cheaper/easier thing to engineer. Also, the pan contributes to

noise

control so it has its own inherent little benefit. On the

downside, the pan

clearly makes maintenance more difficult as it must often be

removed for

many different procedures.

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From: joseph O Becker <geeko6@j...>
To: ev_update@y...
Subject: Re: [ev_update] Belly pan
Date: Mon, Sep 17, 2001, 11:30 AM


The pan has everything to do with colling. Ask a trained

technician for

VW. I use to work on Renault vehicles and was factory trained. We

were

told the pan on Renault vehicles directs the air through the

radiator and

across the engine for more efficiant cooling. Removing it could

cause

long term harm. If it was not necessary, why would the factory add

the

expense?
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Its not so much the air flow it low or idle speeds, its air flow at
high speeds that the belly pan does its job.

Any car that moves thru the air will develope an high pressure
directly in front of it. If you stick the raditor right there at the
high pressure area you have only done 1/2 the job. In order for there
to air flow there has to be a high pressure and a low pressure area.
The air will rush from high to low. And thats what the belly pan
does, creates a low pressure area in the engine compartment. By not
allowing the air flow to shoot up right at the area just under the
bumper and by delaying the exit of the air till around where the
front axle center line is you maintain low pressure in the engine
compartment.

But is this really going to make a difference? Maybe. When the
thermostat gets fully open any additional air flow will make lower
coolant temps. With the belly pan in place there will be better air
flow.

I was going to try an experiment to prove this with 2 belly pans, one
is intact and the other has a hole that someone added to try and get
better cooling. But one pan is from an automatic and the other is
from a manual... They will not fit interchangably...

Greetings Eurobagers,

Think of the clearest blue sky that can hush the pines all around us; add
a breakfast buffet with food from the deep south, the orient, midwest,
Downeast, even some biscuits that looked for the life of me like eggs
Benedict. There was the famous oatmeal along with tiny red potato
hash...all hot and well presented. Bill Kaehrle had been given the job to
oversee the breakfast and he, along with twenty or thirty others, was up
early Sunday morning to prepare. Surround all of this lovely food with at
least 75 vans of all four VW generations to add color and comfort to the
scene. And the coffee, yes, the coffee was great for this diabetic to
kill my temptation at consuming more than I should. You shoulda been
there.

Busses By the Buoy stayed on a two hundred acre coastal farm turned
campground called Thomas Point Beach. For $20 we had large ocean views,
lots of tide action, fifty foot pines, and boiling hot shower water (it
was dangerous). We could camp close together for the social and show
purposes of this gathering. Saturday's dinner included the sweetest corn
I've had for years and thirds for corn, chowder or clams! One could have
a quart of Cherry Garcia ice cream from Ben and Jerry as the raffle kept
our fingers crossed to take possession of that beautiful blue tent from
Eurocampers...not me, again. My wife just let me wander around to gam
with anybody and everyone; met someone from Chardon, OH where my Dad
lives. There was one large tragedy as one of us holed his sailboat giving
sails to campers around the bay. "I knew the rock was there." he told me
as we shared info on using Marine-tex. Richard and a host of campers were
with him at low tide to fill the hole in his 32 foot boat. We could use a
report on his condition.

Sunday's Caravan was mostly right turns. Van Tourists got ocean views,
old fields, Beaudoin College, and even the Androscogin River for artistic
stimulation. Nice trip for us with flags. Many people waved and honked as
we paraded in town. Richard, LiMBO, the VVA, many sponsers, and a host of
volunteers pulled a good time out of a tragic week and I thank them all.
In two weeks it's Campers on Cape Cod...now that should be just good
enough to get me away from Acadia for a while.

Gary from Maine

Gary and Belle Clendening
'97 EVC "Flying Carpet" @ 67,500 miles
207-622-0631
Hallowell, Maine

Made me cry.

Lee Thé
97 EVC
Palo Alto, CA

--- In ev_update@y..., "catzzman" <catzz@a...> wrote:

Anyone know a good source and price for a dust/pollen filter for

a '97 EVC?

I checked VW several years ago and they were $58. Yech! I've been
washing mine like wet/dry vac filter. Seems to work OK.

Richard Cox
former '97 EVC
now 2002 HD Rialta

mine makes the unfortunately common piston slap noise, I doubt I'll see
500k...what do you think ?

I picked up a 120 volt clock-radio for the van. It worked fine when we were plugged in this weeked, but when we were on battery power it appeared there was no power to the outlets. I didn't know if this was normal or if I had a problem. I did take a peek at the circut panel. The fuses and breakers looked ok but I had no light on the GFCI, nor did the test or reset buttons depress. Any suggestions?

-Erik
2001 EVC
"Eva"

Hi Michael,

I am interested contacting Steve. Does he carry a rear
wheel Cylinder for 93 GL.

Thanks.
JC




--- "Michael G. McCarthy" <mgmccarthy@...>
wrote:

Greetings all,

Steve delivered my idler wheels today, before noon.
He shipped them USPS
Priority Mail from his own inventory last Thursday
morning, San Diego time.
$44.31 per wheel (list $63) and just $5 to ship.

Great job by the USPS too.


Mike

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My information indicated that Westfalia EVCs (non-Eurobagos) were
made in 93 (a long model year), then not until 1999, and are not made
today. I called the non-technical people at VW (Customer Service 1-
800-822-8987) and they said the pop top camper was made every year
including 1993, and still made today. Can anyone confirm which years
the MV Westfalia camper was made? Also, I believe VW used CFC free
refrigerant (R134a) earlier than US manufacturers. Were the 1993 EVs
CFC free?
Also, no air bag EVs were crash tested, does anyone have any safety
information on them? Thanks in advance.

The Winnebago part numbers are:
Bolt: 124755-01-000 (Might be 124755-01-01A)
Plug: 120270-01-01A

It looks like some of the VW/Winnebago part numbers that used to end with 000 have been changed to 01A. The drawing I got these off of had the part number changed in pencil.

Check out Lichtsinn Motors, Forest City, Iowa for availability/price.


-d

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On that note, does anyone have any idea of typical mileage
expectations for the 93 2.5?

I have friend in Germany who work for the Bundespost, and also who
drive ambulances. When I made my decision 8 years ago (!), it was
partially based on their statements that the EV 5 cylinder was the #1
service vehicle b/c the engine consistently arrives at 500,000 km with
few problems. If this is the case, then I am planning on driving my
EV for another 55 years.

Scott
93 GL 63K

The EV pan does not direct air toward cooling and as such is not like the
Renault in this regard. The radiators are entirely in front and above the
bumper, where their air supply is controlled by the motion of the vehicle
and by thermostatic fans. Even if the "efficiency" of the system suffered
(and it doesn't) at worst all that would happen is the fans would run more
often, and potentially wear out sooner. There would be no long term damage
to the engine in any case.

Why bother with a pan? It makes a lot of things easier to engineer because
those things don't then have to be tucked out of harm's way. Hoses, wiring
harnesses, fittings, bolt-on components, etc can all be placed wherever they
are placed without any regard to exposure to the elements, and that's a much
cheaper/easier thing to engineer. Also, the pan contributes to noise
control so it has its own inherent little benefit. On the downside, the pan
clearly makes maintenance more difficult as it must often be removed for
many different procedures.

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From: joseph O Becker <geeko6@...>
To: ev_update@...
Subject: Re: [ev_update] Belly pan
Date: Mon, Sep 17, 2001, 11:30 AM


The pan has everything to do with colling. Ask a trained technician for
VW. I use to work on Renault vehicles and was factory trained. We were
told the pan on Renault vehicles directs the air through the radiator and
across the engine for more efficiant cooling. Removing it could cause
long term harm. If it was not necessary, why would the factory add the
expense?
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Labor day weekend Ann and I decided to get away from the Denver area to
the mountains in the southern part of the state. We figured that it
would not only be some great R&R, but would also function as a shake
down cruise for our upcoming three to four week excursion. We ended up
at Monument Lake, about 38 miles NW of Trinidad. This is a lake and
park owned and operated by the city of Trinidad. One of the prettiest
camping areas we have been in, very inexpensive and extremely helpful
and courteous staff who even came around every evening to pick up our
trash (Colorado has had some ..major..bear problems this year).

Since we planned on taking our Nizzo tent, table and chairs and a
variety of other bulky items in anticipation of our long trip, I asked
Marty Williams of Let's Go Aero for the use of one of his new Triple
Play hitch carriers (he had previously offered me the use of any of his
products for having pulled one of his Herman trailers up to the
Winnebago factory for their review).

To say we were delighted with it would be a gross understatement. It is
lightweight (40 lbs), has a large capacity (a 2 foot by 4 foot platform
with a 30" high enclosure and kept its contents clean and dry in spite
of our driving many miles on dusty dirt roads and coming through a
veritable deluge (enough to shut I-25 at two locations) as we returned
through Colorado Springs. We loaded our Nizzo side tent, the bundle of
poles and stakes, the rear hatch tent, two folding chairs and a table
into it and only used up about half of the available space. It also
slides back on a spine which allows the rear hatch to be opened without
removing the carrier. While not of particular interest to Ann and I, it
can also be used to carry up to 5 bicycles (without the enclosure)and
there can be provision for mounting a hitch ball behind the carrier if
something else needs to be pulled.

For us, this is the perfect addition to our EVC. Upon returning it on
Monday morning, I told Marty that I wanted one. He told me that they
were doing a slight upgrade on the carrier and would have it available
in several colors (including white, which I ordered)in about two weeks.
A really neat piece of equipment and he also offered a 10% discount for
members of this group.

I did post a couple of pictures of the carrier and of Monument Lake on
the Yahoo website.

John

Dear Mark,

Sorry to hear your experience. Good luck with the fix. We had the
same problem going up a steep hill with the AC on. THe plastic T
broke and we lost all coolant and our Memorial day weekend, all shops
were closed. Fortunately, once the T fixed, everything seems fine.
Advice to all Eurovan owners, think about replacing those plastic T.
There are 2 of them, its a $4 part at the dealer. They don't seem to
age well.

Paul EV 93 Wk.

--- In ev_update@y..., Mark Kumler <kumler@x> wrote:

I was driving my '93 MV from southern California to the S.F.

Bay

area, where I intended to leave it with in-laws while I headed off

to New

Zealand for a year. It was a hot (*very* hot) day, but the van had
recently had a major tune, was performing wonderfully as usual, and

I

plowed through the Central Valley with the AC on. After a lengthy

lunch

break (when the engine should have cooled down a bit), I hit the

road

again. But within 10 minutes the AC faded, I lost considerable

power, and

I barely made it off the highway before a t-valve in the cooling

system

blew and -- as I would later learn -- the head was irreparably

damaged.

My boys loved the ride in the tow truck and the unexpected

Sunday (or

course) evening in a hotel pool, but I hated the news the next day

that it

would be several days and several hundred dollars, at a minimum.

After

several trans-Pacific phone calls and nearly 8 weeks, I hear that

it'll be

$2200-$2500 for a new head, piston rings, etc. For an engine that

already

has 150,000 miles on it.
I'm trying to decide whether to a) repair it, b) buy and have
installed a newer engine ("81,000 miles, compression: 175") from an

unknown

dismantler I found on the web, for about the same total price, or

c) sell

it for parts and buy a newer (but still used) one when I return to

the

States in a year. Any suggestions?

Try Steve at Europarts. Can't recall the cost, but it was much lower
than VW.
John

catzzman wrote:

I do not have info on that but on the same subject does anyone knows if we
can add
a dust/pollen filter on a '93.
thanks
christian

The pan has everything to do with colling. Ask a trained technician for
VW. I use to work on Renault vehicles and was factory trained. We were
told the pan on Renault vehicles directs the air through the radiator and
across the engine for more efficiant cooling. Removing it could cause
long term harm. If it was not necessary, why would the factory add the
expense?
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