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today 3 messages bounced, for reasons that the sender wasn't subscribed.
this has been the policy all along, so i'm not sure what's going on.
i checked the member lists, and only one of those 3 people was actually
listed, and they were set for mode "Web", which I presume to mean they
don't receive email but can view the web archives.

so anyway, there's obviously some traffic getting through so I don't
know whats wrong. if you think you should be a member try resubscribing
and we'll see what happens.

-rick

ok. i'm in too....

93MV - non-weekender (candy apple red)

All,

I had just started into the 60,000 mile maintenance service and have
come across something you all should check out.

Before flushing the coolant, I decided to checkout the "Thermostat
control for shutters" [I'll call it the device]. Its mounted between
the electric fans. Its a simple device, air passes through the
radiator then hits the radiator cowl. The electric fans are mounted to
the cowling. There is a small hole, about .6" x 1", that allows air to
pass through, exposing the device to warm air. Curious about how it
operated, I took the hair dryer out and ran it for a while directing
the hot air on the device. Nothing happened. After several more
minutes, it finally moved, but not enough to open the shutters.

When closed, the shutters seal off the opening behind the electric
fans. If they stay closed, the electric fans are next to useless in
drawing air through the radiator! In fact, when you're driving, very
little air will pass through the radiator because there is no where for
the air to go.

I next took the 2 screws out holding the device to the cowling and
removed it. I could easily open each shutter - they stay open without
the device inplace to close them. Curious, I took the van out for a
quick spin. The engine warmed up like before, but it didn't get up
close to the 230 mark. The temp was reading about 2 notches below
where it had always ran, or about 34 degrees cooler! When I bought
the van last year, it was reading near the 230 mark. I always thought
the gauge was off and never paid attention to the high temp reading.

I have since ordered a new device, VWN701121183A, for $53.24 - it came
in a few days ago. I ran a bench test with it using the hair dryer.
Within 2 minutes on low speed holding the dryer about 6" away, it
quickly rotated the arms that would have opened the shutters. This
confirms the old part was bad.

I waited to post this until I confirmed the old part was bad. I
strongly suggest ALL 5 cyl EV owners checkout the operation of this
device (you VR6 engine owners don't have this device). All you have to
do is open the hood after driving the van (it has to be fully warmed
up)and feel the back of the electric fan/shutters (make sure the engine
is off, and don't pole your fingers into the shutter openings, the
electric fans can come on and ruin your day). You will know if the
shutters are open. If you want to see the device open the shutters,
just use a hair dryer.

You should check this because the coolant temp affects several things:
1. Engine operating temp - on a very hot day you probably have very
little cooling margin. This could be very serious if you tow something.
2. The automatic transmission (AT) fluid is "cooled" by the engine
coolant via the transmission cooler. I'm sure the AT/fluid would last
longer if it operated at the right temp.
3. The engine oil is also cooled by the engine coolant via the oil
cooler. I'm sure the engine/oil would last longer if it didn't operate
this hot.
4. There could be other side affects (AC compressor running hotter,
fuel lines being exposed to higher under hood temps?)

All of you who check the operation of there device, can you post if it
works or not. I will try to post a piture of the device tomorrow.

Jerry

Was that one of you'se turning right onto Oveland near
the 10 Fwy (maybe leaving Notre Dame Academy)
yesterday around noonish?

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By the way, a 5 cyl. EV will go over 100mph...at least in the non-camper
configuration. I have a 93 MV and had it just over 100 on I-90 in Montana a
few years ago. Also had it over 100 on a great stretch of road leading to
the Great Sand Dunes in Southern Colorado. It touches the red-line at that
speed, so I didn't try any faster...not that there was much left anyway...

Rob
93 EVMV
95 Golf GL

At 07:39 PM 11/21/1999 -0500, you wrote:

I don't know how I missed out on this fun. I have a 99EVC and I live in
Delaware. Oh, and by the way, it is white.

Me three. 93 MV weekender in 'frigidaire white'... :>

I don't know how I missed out on this fun. I have a 99EVC and I live in
Delaware. Oh, and by the way, it is white.

when was the vote???

Bill


Scott in Des Moines wrote:

spencerv-@... wrote:
original article:

HEY, where is my 93GL non camper? :)
Spencer

... and MINE?

Scott in Des Moines

On high mileage transmissions, the second gear syncro is usually the first
to show signs of wear. This is because the second gear syncro is use most
often. The reason it occurs at cold temperatures, is because the oil
viscosity is high. This provides more resistance to the syncros ability to
"spin" up the main shaft of the transmission. The oil actually warms up in
about ten miles or so, due to friction and heat transfer form the engine.
There is nothing cheap that can be done to repair this. Although synthetic
gear box oil might help. If however it the same problem starts to appear on
all gears, and gets progressively worse, than it is a sign of a hydraulic
leak, in the clutch system. You will notice that the in brake fluid
reservoir starts to drop. The way it is designed will cause the clutch to
stop working completely before it starts to affect the brakes.

Hope that helps!

Mine's a Silver-Blue 93 GL

what was the part number of the bushing?

Speaking of EV sightings, here in central NJ I did see a white (what else?)
'95 Camper going south on route 206 as I headed north in my Jamaican Aqua
Blue '93 MV. This was Saturday, Nov 20th in the afternoon. Anyone on this
list?
Ron

I guess I missed this vote too. If I can still add my '93 EuroVan MV please
count me in.
Ron

Who was going south on the NJ turnpike? I was going north pulling my boat.

R. Greaker
95 Eurobago

What about me?

95 Eurobago

In a message dated 11/20/99 12:39:06 PM, RBIEGEL@... writes:

<<Todd,
How can they think of crushing it? With so few EV's in this country we need
every part. Looking forward to keeping my '93 going a long long time.
Ron>>

The only things left after I got to it were the rear hatch struts, rear hatch
and glass, rear wiper motor and the passenger tail lamp.

It's still too bad to see an EV crushed. ..

There is a bushing in the shift linkage that can cause bad stuff. My 93
Ev was starting to have shifting problems and gear clash noise when
shifting. Then one day the bushing failed and lost many gears. A new
bushing fixed this and really improved the other shifting problems

The other concern I do have is what would happen if
the trailer tire were to blow.

Well, I imagine it would a lot less dramatic than if a tire blew on the
van itself, and we drive with one tire at each corner every day.

Like anything else, a moderate of attention/maintenance will go a long
way towards preventing a problem, like keeping tires that are in good
shape on the trailer and are properly inflated.

--

Bill Salopek
ICQ: 20536257
No worries...

Eurovaneers:

I was just denied my usual helping of automatically-updated list
postings, and got instead a message saying that I had to 'be a member' to
use this feature.

Huh?

I guess that there's not actually a list member tending to a piece of
hardware for this list (as is the case with vanagon.com), but does
anybody have an idea what I do to re-attach myself to my lifeline?

Okay, I'm taking it a little too seriously.

I will try to re-subscribe, even though the message window I got back
from e-groups had my personal 'tag' at the top, and therefore thinks, on
some level, that I'm still subscribed. I wish everything with computers
could be blamed on 'garbage in, garbage out'...

Sincerely,

Marcus Elia
dela@... (which is the only way I currently correspond with the
list now)
'95 EV GLS (which is running fine right now, knock on wood)