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Re: 2000 EVC Wheel Alignment - What group?

 

Following up on my previous message, I found this unintelligible label under the driver's side carpet. Apparently the group number is on this label, somewhere, however the only thing I'm able to make out is the VIN. Again, reaching out to the distribution here, if anyone has a 2000 EVC with the under dash sticker or an intelligible label, I'd really appreciate it if you could let me know what your group number is.?
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Thanks,
Pete


Re: A/C receptacle

 

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Hi Al, welcome to the group.

The stock Eurovan Camper has a 120VAC input in front of the left rear wheel, which has 3 prongs and looks like this:

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Note: I think the Canadian version may be slightly different - is your van originally from USA or Canada?

I'm not sure what you mean by "DC receptacle" - there are several 12VDC cigarette lighter outlets inside the van.

The Eurovan Camper manual can be found online - here is the page which discusses the electrical systems:





On May 26, 2025, at 4:45?PM, Al Budris via groups.io <abudris2@...> wrote:

I recently purchased a EVC. ?The DC receptacle is missing the ground prong, but the cord that came with it has a male ground prong on the female receptacle. ?Is this normal?
Al Budris
¡¯97 EVC


A/C receptacle

 

I recently purchased a EVC. ?The DC receptacle is missing the ground prong, but the cord that came with it has a male ground prong on the female receptacle. ?Is this normal?
Al Budris
¡¯97 EVC


Re: auxiliary battery

 

I've been running the VMax Tank for a while and have been super happy with it.


On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 8:44?AM Domokos Hadnagy via <domokos.hadnagy=[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you

Domokos Hadnagy


On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 10:03?PM David via <dsh1705=[email protected]> wrote:
I used to run this in my van when I used a single 12 volt battery. I was quite pleased with it.
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David

95 EVC
Seattle, WA


Re: auxiliary battery

 

Thank you

Domokos Hadnagy


On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 10:03?PM David via <dsh1705=[email protected]> wrote:
I used to run this in my van when I used a single 12 volt battery. I was quite pleased with it.
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David

95 EVC
Seattle, WA


Re: auxiliary battery

 

I used to run this in my van when I used a single 12 volt battery. I was quite pleased with it.
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David
1705.net
95 EVC
Seattle, WA


auxiliary battery

 

Does anyone have a recommendation of what kind of battery I should use for the auxiliary battery on my 1995 Eurovan?
Thank you

Domokos Hadnagy


Re: replacement weekender pop top seal

 

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It was easy. I made the seam in the back. Just pull off the old one and push on the new one. It is kind of hard to reach up to the section over the windshield. I used a step ladder. I did not have the roof fully raised. I raised it up a foot or so then put a cardboard box inside to keep the roof held up.

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I have a 2002 MV Weekender.

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Mike C

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Sent: Friday, May 23, 2025 1:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [eurovanupdate] replacement weekender pop top seal

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Thanks Mike. Was?it easy to install? Any tricky parts?

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On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 1:35?PM MasterMarine via <themastermarine=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Spencer,

I have replaced mine twice over the years with the one from GoWesty. It is not exactly the same as the original was, but it works great.

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Mike C

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Sent: Friday, May 23, 2025 9:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [eurovanupdate] replacement weekender pop top seal

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The PT seal on my 02 weekender has become wavy?and puckered from above the RS door and around to the LS door area. I've tried the? squeeze?with pliers repair but not a good fix. Is there a good replacement for this seal that has the OE outside alligator skin and rubber tube inner seal?? Some online vendors advertise replacements but I've read mixed reviews. Does anyone in this group?have experience with replacing their seal? Thanks for any help.

Spencer

02mvwk


Re: replacement weekender pop top seal

 

Thanks Mike. Was?it easy to install? Any tricky parts?


On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 1:35?PM MasterMarine via <themastermarine=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Spencer,

I have replaced mine twice over the years with the one from GoWesty. It is not exactly the same as the original was, but it works great.

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Mike C

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Spencer Allen via
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2025 9:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [eurovanupdate] replacement weekender pop top seal

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The PT seal on my 02 weekender has become wavy?and puckered from above the RS door and around to the LS door area. I've tried the? squeeze?with pliers repair but not a good fix. Is there a good replacement for this seal that has the OE outside alligator skin and rubber tube inner seal?? Some online vendors advertise replacements but I've read mixed reviews. Does anyone in this group?have experience with replacing their seal? Thanks for any help.

Spencer

02mvwk


Re: replacement weekender pop top seal

 

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Hi Spencer,

I have replaced mine twice over the years with the one from GoWesty. It is not exactly the same as the original was, but it works great.

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Mike C

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Spencer Allen via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2025 9:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [eurovanupdate] replacement weekender pop top seal

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The PT seal on my 02 weekender has become wavy?and puckered from above the RS door and around to the LS door area. I've tried the? squeeze?with pliers repair but not a good fix. Is there a good replacement for this seal that has the OE outside alligator skin and rubber tube inner seal?? Some online vendors advertise replacements but I've read mixed reviews. Does anyone in this group?have experience with replacing their seal? Thanks for any help.

Spencer

02mvwk


Re: Eurovan Gasoline Fumes when Hot & High - 2025

 

Hi Michael.? No, I don't have anything for the 2000.?? Looking, I found one more tank diagram for the 2001-2003 and a few other useful pages including a better version of the 2001-03 Evap can diagram.
I will just attach those here and hopefully I/we will get all this stuff into the "files" section also at some point.? The tank one is worth looking at for further clarity..
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As far as the pressure retention valve- well if earlier ones don''t have it then no problem!? I sorta doubt it's on the tank as it makes sense for it to be close to the cannister as it is regulating there and has a line to atmosphere which I am guessing is for managing/referencing the pressure not venting.?? Wherever a diagram says "grommet" that's an open tube to atmosphere that inserts into a hole (with grommet) in the frame.


replacement weekender pop top seal

 

The PT seal on my 02 weekender has become wavy?and puckered from above the RS door and around to the LS door area. I've tried the? squeeze?with pliers repair but not a good fix. Is there a good replacement for this seal that has the OE outside alligator skin and rubber tube inner seal?? Some online vendors advertise replacements but I've read mixed reviews. Does anyone in this group?have experience with replacing their seal? Thanks for any help.
Spencer
02mvwk


Re: Eurovan Gasoline Fumes when Hot & High - 2025

 

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Steve, I was literally thinking of doing the same thing myself - that's great detail.

Looking at this, ?I'm pretty sure there is a fundamental difference: the 1997-2000 models don't have a Pressure Retention Valve.

You don't happen to have these schematics for the 2000 models do you?

Mike



On May 21, 2025, at 2:39?PM, Steve via groups.io <seaweedsteve@...> wrote:

This diagram shows the system around the Cannister including the
Pressure retention valve on the 2002.? It's #6
On mine with the Gas filling (+ ongoing fumes) issue all of this is fine.?? Maybe it helps somebody else locate or eliminate.?
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Components marked with * are checked via On Board Diagnostic (OBD):
Components marked with ** are tested via output Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM):
1 - Bracket
2 - 5 Nm
3 - Grommet
4 - Vent line from pressure retaining valve into the environment - clipped into left longmember
5 - Ventilation line
6 - Pressure retention valve
clipped in at EVAP canister
7 - to fuel tank
8 - Flush line to test connection/solenoid valve 1 in engine compartment
9 - EVAP canister Installation location: connected at left longmember
10 - Heat shield
11 - 2 Nm
12 - Air filter for diagnostic pump secured at heat shield
13 - Connector
2-pin for Evaporative Emission (EVAP) canister purge solenoid valve -N115-
14 - Vent line
15 - Leak Detection Pump (LDP) -V144-*/** behind fuel tank at left longmember
16 - Bracket for diagnostic pump
17 - 2 Nm
18 - Intake line from air filter for diagnostic pump clipped into left longmember
19 - Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Canister Purge Regulator Valve -N115- Secured at EVAP canister with bracket
During leak diagnostic, valve is activated via the Motronic Engine Control Module (ECM) -J220-
20 - Connector
3-pin for Leak Detection Pump (LDP) -V144-
21 - Vacuum line for activation of Leak Detection Pump (LDP) -V144-
22 - to EVAP canister
23 - Test connection for leak test of EVAP canister system
24 - Evaporative Emission (EVAP) canister purge regulator valve -N80- */**.
With engine at operating temperature, valve is activated (pulsed) via the Motronic Engine Control Module (ECM) -J220-
Installation position: Arrow points in direction of flow
25 - to connection piece of throttle valve control module
26 - Connector 2-pin for Evaporative Emission (EVAP) canister purge regulator valve -N80-


Re: Eurovan Gasoline Fumes when Hot & High - 2025

 

One more diagram, sorry if all this clogs up the conversation. ?
I cleaned up the Tank Diagram and labeled it directly so I can sort it out better.? This should be the best one for referencing to the tank photo Michael posted.??
Even better would be to relabel the photo directly.
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Re: Eurovan Gasoline Fumes when Hot & High - 2025

 

This diagram shows the system around the Cannister including the
Pressure retention valve on the 2002.? It's #6
On mine with the Gas filling (+ ongoing fumes) issue all of this is fine.?? Maybe it helps somebody else locate or eliminate.?
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Components marked with * are checked via On Board Diagnostic (OBD):
Components marked with ** are tested via output Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM):
1 - Bracket
2 - 5 Nm
3 - Grommet
4 - Vent line from pressure retaining valve into the environment - clipped into left longmember
5 - Ventilation line
6 - Pressure retention valve
clipped in at EVAP canister
7 - to fuel tank
8 - Flush line to test connection/solenoid valve 1 in engine compartment
9 - EVAP canister Installation location: connected at left longmember
10 - Heat shield
11 - 2 Nm
12 - Air filter for diagnostic pump secured at heat shield
13 - Connector
2-pin for Evaporative Emission (EVAP) canister purge solenoid valve -N115-
14 - Vent line
15 - Leak Detection Pump (LDP) -V144-*/** behind fuel tank at left longmember
16 - Bracket for diagnostic pump
17 - 2 Nm
18 - Intake line from air filter for diagnostic pump clipped into left longmember
19 - Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Canister Purge Regulator Valve -N115- Secured at EVAP canister with bracket
During leak diagnostic, valve is activated via the Motronic Engine Control Module (ECM) -J220-
20 - Connector
3-pin for Leak Detection Pump (LDP) -V144-
21 - Vacuum line for activation of Leak Detection Pump (LDP) -V144-
22 - to EVAP canister
23 - Test connection for leak test of EVAP canister system
24 - Evaporative Emission (EVAP) canister purge regulator valve -N80- */**.
With engine at operating temperature, valve is activated (pulsed) via the Motronic Engine Control Module (ECM) -J220-
Installation position: Arrow points in direction of flow
25 - to connection piece of throttle valve control module
26 - Connector 2-pin for Evaporative Emission (EVAP) canister purge regulator valve -N80-


Re: Eurovan Gasoline Fumes when Hot & High - 2025

 

Here's the tank diagram and labels I had found.? Is it the same or a different year?? Neck is much shorter on diagram.
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?1 - Union nut, 80 Nm - Use ring nut spanner 3217 to remove and install
2 - Return line - secure with spring type clamps Check for secure fitting blue from fuel distributor:
3 - Connector Black, 4-pin, for sender for fuel gauge -G- and Fuel Pump (FP) -G6-
4 - Flange Note installation position at fuel tank Marking "V" and "R" on underside for supply and return line
5 - Supply hose
6 - Return hose
7 - Seal - Coat with fuel when installing Replace if damaged
8 - Sender for fuel gauge -G-
9 - Fuel pump- With sender for fuel gauge -GClean strainer if dirty
10 - Filter strainer - Clean strainer if dirty
11
- Combination valve - Vacuum protection valve for leak diagnostic test
12 -
Expansion tank - Filler ventilation
13 - Fuel tank When removing, support using VAG1383A engine/transmission hoist
14 -
Vent line for filler ventilation
15 - Gravity valve Operating ventilation cannot be removed, only replace together with fuel tank
16 - Tension strap Note varying lengths
17 - 25 Nm
18 - to pressure retaining valve at EVAP canister
19 - Bracket For tension straps
20 - Rubber top
21 - Tensioning ring.
22 - Gasket when damaged, only replace together with sealing cap.
23 - Cap
24 - 4 Nm
25 - Gravity valve for filler ventilation cannot be removed, only replace together with fuel tank
26 - Vent line Operating ventilation
27 - Bracket for fuel filter
28 - Fuel filter Installation position: Arrow points in direction of flow
29 - Supply line - secure with spring type clamps Check for secure fitting Black
30 - 6 Nm
31 - Supply hose
32 - Vent line - Operating ventilation
33 - Check-valve
34 - 2-way valve - cannot be removed, only replace together with fuel tank
35 - Expansion tank for ventilation line cannot be removed, only replace together with fuel tank
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2000 EVC Wheel Alignment - What group?

 

Since I don't have the sticker under the steering wheel/dash, I was hoping someone here has the group number for doing the wheel alignment on a 2000 EVC? Earlier posts indicate group 8 for a 2002 EVC. When I had an alignment done (at Firestone) a few years ago, they used Group 1/half load. Can anyone confirm that this is correct??
Thanks,
Pete
2000 EVC, 213k miles?


Re: Eurovan Gasoline Fumes when Hot & High - 2025

 

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Great comments Steve, ??some thoughts below:

On May 19, 2025, at 9:59?AM, Steve via groups.io <seaweedsteve@...> wrote:
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Also that my own primary symptom is great difficulty filling the tank. ?Takes a long time very slowly fueling I can actually see the fuel overflowing from it's fill tube connection into the big vent tube between the tank and the cannister. ?

I had this problem too, and I'm pretty sure it was a clogged carbon vapor canister - it got somewhat better when I rehabbed my original one, and got much better when I replaced it.

Nowadays, my van acts totally normal 99% of the time, it's just the unusual situation of going to high altitude + heat where I occasionally still vent fumes.

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- I have noticed that on the more humid and low altitude coast, the issue that I arrive from mountain passes with goes away with time. ?Is that the valve relaxing with a drop in tank pressure? Some equalization factor allowing the valve to marginally function again? ?How does it clear when the condition changes? ?This is an aspect that the "gummed up" hypothesis does not so clearly explain.

For me, the 2 variables are heat + altitude, but to be fair every time I'm at high altitude and it's hot, it's also very dry, so I can't rule that out.

I have had the experience of doing almost the identical trip northbound over mountain passes, returning southbound a couple of days later, and the problems were in one direction only. ??A partially gummed-up valve which sometimes sticks would be consistent.

- I checked the PHV (pressure holding valve) on mine and it's not blocking ventilation. ?I am certain that in my case the issue is upstream of this. ??The PHV should be easy to eliminate or pin down as a problem by disconnecting the valve and seeing if the tank will vent to atmosphere (or the cannister) when filling. ?Mine won't. ??Assuming that filling is the issue for your vehicle as well. ??Worth pulling and testing but I don't feel like it's going to be the prevalent issue for most.


Here's the best picture I've found of a dropped fuel tank, which I think was from a late-model Eurovan:

I didn't know the PHV was accessible. ?Where is the PHV?

Any idea which parts are which?

Here are my guesses:

1. tank vent to breather bottle
2. Breather Bottle
3. is this the Breather Valve (?)
4. is this the Rollover valve (?)
5. ? is this tube normally open or closed?
6. is this the tube that lets you see and drain liquid gasoline?
7. Is this a valve? or just a T-connetor?
8. check valve - tube goes to the Tank connector on the vapor canister(?)
9. another vent?
10. yet another vent or part? ?One side looks open to the atmosphere - is this an overpressure release? ?Perhaps where our fumes are coming from?
11. Mystery part - seems to take inlets from #9 and #10 ?What's in the box?
12. is this tube normally open?


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Re: Eurovan Gasoline Fumes when Hot & High - 2025

 

Great comments Steve, some thoughts below:

On May 19, 2025, at 9:59?AM, Steve via groups.io <seaweedsteve@...> wrote:
[...]
Also that my own primary symptom is great difficulty filling the tank. Takes a long time very slowly fueling I can actually see the fuel overflowing from it's fill tube connection into the big vent tube between the tank and the cannister.
I had this problem too, and I'm pretty sure it was a clogged carbon vapor canister - it got somewhat better when I rehabbed my original one, and got much better when I replaced it.

Nowadays, my van acts totally normal 99% of the time, it's just the unusual situation of going to high altitude + heat where I occasionally still vent fumes.

[...]

- I have noticed that on the more humid and low altitude coast, the issue that I arrive from mountain passes with goes away with time. Is that the valve relaxing with a drop in tank pressure? Some equalization factor allowing the valve to marginally function again? How does it clear when the condition changes? This is an aspect that the "gummed up" hypothesis does not so clearly explain.
For me, the 2 variables are heat + altitude, but to be fair every time I'm at high altitude and it's hot, it's also very dry, so I can't rule that out.

I have had the experience of doing almost the identical trip northbound over mountain passes, returning southbound a couple of days later, and the problems were in one direction only. A partially gummed-up valve which sometimes sticks would be consistent.

- I checked the PHV (pressure holding valve) on mine and it's not blocking ventilation. I am certain that in my case the issue is upstream of this. The PHV should be easy to eliminate or pin down as a problem by disconnecting the valve and seeing if the tank will vent to atmosphere (or the cannister) when filling. Mine won't. Assuming that filling is the issue for your vehicle as well. Worth pulling and testing but I don't feel like it's going to be the prevalent issue for most.

Here's the best picture I've found of a dropped fuel tank, which I think was from a late-model Eurovan:

I didn't know the PHV was accessible. Where is the PHV?

Any idea which parts are which?

Here are my guesses:

1. tank vent to breather bottle
2. Breather Bottle
3. is this the Breather Valve (?)
4. is this the Rollover valve (?)
5. ? is this tube normally open or closed?
6. is this the tube that lets you see and drain liquid gasoline?
7. Is this a valve? or just a T-connetor?
8. check valve - tube goes to the Tank connector on the vapor canister(?)
9. another vent?
10. yet another vent or part? One side looks open to the atmosphere - is this an overpressure release? Perhaps where our fumes are coming from?
11. Mystery part - seems to take inlets from #9 and #10 What's in the box?
12. is this tube normally open?


Re: Eurovan Gasoline Fumes when Hot & High - 2025

 

Thanks for reviving this Michael.? Really helpful.?? I'm trying to get my head back into it.?? I had planned to pull my tank before traveling this year and inspect.? Now I don't know if I'll have the time, but will see.
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A reminder that mine is a 2002.? Also that my own primary symptom is great difficulty filling the tank.? Takes a long time very slowly fueling I can actually see the fuel overflowing from it's fill tube connection into the big vent tube between the tank and the cannister.??
And I also get vapor smell when parked. ?
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It seems that there are different manifestations in our vapor issues but some things in common.?? I will lay out a few thoughts that may help.
- There are going to be "normal" wear/age cases where switching valves fail (like the N80) because the electrical or vacuum switching mechanism are gone and then there are the persistent cases where the plumbing itself is clogged though perhaps similarly, where a switching or regulated valve's mechanism clogged.
When it's at an accessible spot then it's easy but the ones we struggle with are by definition not fixed by swapping an easily accessed part.? Still, the problem will be at a valve that opens or closes tank venting.
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- So a hypothesis coming forward is that the common root cause is dried gasoline gumming things up.? This explains how it can happen in different systems and even other vehicles in Baja.??
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- Seems like hot and dry are conditions that contribute to the problems developing.? Storing the vehicle very likely contributes.? Time/Age.? Over the years a little more gas evaporates while stored and a little more gum builds.?? Valve mechanisms and passages grow closed in like atherosclorosis of the vapor system and then perhaps the extra pressure from climbing to altitude with heat pushes a marginal valve into a clogged or stuck closed state?
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- I have noticed that on the more humid and low altitude coast, the issue that I arrive from mountain passes with goes away with time.? Is that the valve relaxing with a drop in tank pressure? Some equalization factor allowing the valve to marginally function again?? How does it clear when the condition changes?? This is an aspect that the "gummed up" hypothesis does not so clearly explain.
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- I've tried injector cleaner through the gas fill to no avail.? I don't think it's getting to the right place.? Maybe it would help to run cleaner through the vent tubes to catch the atmosphere side of the valves.? Maybe.? Best with the tank pulled to make sure it gets to the valve, though pulling the tank does not strike me as easy!?? Anybody done that?? Duane?
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- I checked the PHV (pressure holding valve) on mine and it's not blocking ventilation.? I am certain that in my case the issue is upstream of this.?? The PHV should be easy to eliminate or pin down as a problem by disconnecting the valve and seeing if the tank will vent to atmosphere (or the cannister) when filling.? Mine won't.?? Assuming that filling is the issue for your vehicle as well.?? Worth pulling and testing but I don't feel like it's going to be the prevalent issue for most.
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- Seems that we are seeing similar yet somewhat different symptom profiles and maybe different points of failure even with the same common cause perhaps. ? The systems iterated over the years but I imagine with many shared parts and fundamental design.? I wonder if this also happens with other VR6 systems of similar age.? That get stored.? And are driven in varying altitudes with hot dry weather! ??
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Hoping this is the year we get to the bottom of this.
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Steve
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