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Re: Temperature Gauge

Jack Lowry
 

Based on a review of the wiring diagram that I have for my van, and
verification through testing on my
I have found that both fans should always run at the same speed at the same
time.

There are three speeds that the fans can run operate at.

Low speed is probably called stage one is probably controlled by the
radiator thermal switch.
Medium speed is probably called stage two is probably controlled by the
radiator thermal switch.

Both stage one and two have series resistors in line with the fans to reduce
the fan speed.

The high speed I have been told by a VW tech is controlled form somewhere
else and should under
normal situations almost never be achieved.

I have heard the high speed when I had bad series resistors and when I have
tested relays etc. I believe that if you
pay even minimal attention to the fans and their operation you will have not
doubt as to when your fans run at high speed.
I've often been concerned about the fans running at high speed and sucking
small children and pets up against the grill :-)

I'll suggest out that it is a good idea to pay attention to the fans making
sure that they both operate properly at the low speed
when the engine is not running but the key is on and the HVAC controls are
in a position that would normally cause the AC to run.

This particular test (suggested by someone else on the list) will verify
that both fuses, series resistors and the contacts on the low speed relay
are functional and operating properly.

Testing the medium and high speed relays will require actual work.

I'll point out that I've learned much about the fans through troubleshooting
problems with cracked fuses, several bad series resistors and a bad medium
speed relay.


I've put together some notes and a trouble shooting strategy that should be
available in the archive. If you can't find it let me know and I'll send it
to anyone directly or resubmit it for archival purposes.

I'll ramble on here for one more second, I've heard of several people
experiencing a very expensive to repair fire type problem with the AC
compressor. I'm not certain whether a lack of fan electrical system
maintenance could have contributed to the problem. I'm sure that keeping an
ear on the fans and verifying that they run when they should (AC on, DEFROST
on, Hot days etc) is nothing but a good thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: sanae@... [SMTP:sanae@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:46 PM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: Temperature Gauge

Eckhard,

My guess is the temp gauge was not working as it should. The factory
manual indicates it should start to open at 189 F (176 for the VR6
engine) and be full open by 216 F (221 for the VR6 engine) for the 2.4L
diesel and 2.5L 5cyl engines. However, there is always the possibility
of having a different thermostat.

You could possibly "calibrate" your gauge by checking when/how many of
the electric fans are coming on. The factory manual indicates there is
a thermal switch located on the radiator, about halfway up on the side
opposite of the side with the upper radiator hose. This 2 stage swith
controls when the fan(s) come on.
Stage 1: ON (183 - 192 F)
OFF (169 - 181 F)
Stage 2: ON (194 - 203 F)
OFF (180 - 192 F)
The manual is not clear on this point, but as near as I can tell, stage
1 means only one fan is running. Stage 2 means both are running (Does
anyone know for sure? - I have to check the next time my fan(s) kick
in). The nice thing about this, its operation is independant of the
thermostat.

I also found that the EV has a "Thermostat control for shutters". Its
mounted between the fans. When the coolant temperature drops below 77
F, it closes the shutters. The shutters are the plastic circle devices
behind the electric fans. When you're above 77 F, the sensor moves an
arm that opens the shutters so when the fans kick in, they can pass air
all the way through. This feature is only on the 2.4L diesel and 2.5L
- 5 cyl engines. It is not on the 2.8L VR6 engine.

This is my contribution to the collective EV body of knowledge tonight.
Hope its helped someone.

Jerry

eckhard rolz <erol-@...> wrote:
original article:
For some strange reason my gauge cluster worked today. I was
surprised to
see how low the temperature gauge registered. Where should it be? In
my
Jetta it is right in the middle when the temperature is correct. In
the EV
it never went past the 1/4 mark. (Well, maybe the gas gauge worked
and the
temp gauge did not?) Is that normal? Could it be that I have the
wrong
thermostat?
I have been thinking about installing an after market thermometer
but I
have no idea how to hook it into the cooling system without causing a
leak.
Has anyone installed an after market temp gauge?
Eckhard

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Engine fire salvage

Harry Thompson
 

If you take the URL in the following message and change the 7 digit
number at the end to 3995909 you will pull up a 93 being salvaged due to
an engine fire. Info says it is a Texas title, any body on the list.

Harry Thompson




Hi folks -

I am not on the list - dunno why because Egroups shows my account as
having this as one of the three lists I am on? But no messages come
in....

Anybody on the list in PORTLAND , OREGON ?????

check this baby out:

I want the wheels

somebody must need the tranny

can you put the top on a non weekender?

TONS of good stuff left on it....



Bill

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EVC new owner question

 

Hi,
Thank you for the answers I posted long time ago as EVC new owner
questions.
Still I'm not sure when should I chang the engine oil. I know about the
brake-in oil and I understand we must wait till first 5000 mile to
change it. Since
my 99EVC has been built Dec 1998, however, the oil is almost one year
old. Actually color
of the oil looks old. Still should I wait till 5000 mile? I think one
year old
oil is too old for the new engine. Is there any 97EVC owners who bought
it on
late 1997 or 1998 in this list?

Any comment about this would be very much appreliated.

Regards,
Tad


Re: EV Dealers in Va.?

 

Hi all,
I know both dealers at Fairfax and Manassas. Unfortunately they are not
qualified as EVC dealer. They even did not know well about EVC.

I bought a 99EVC form VW Springfield too. As somebody in this list may
remember,
they never give me a discount, but I don't blame them. They can sell
EVCs even
with a sticker price easily because of high demand / low supply at the
DC area.
Why they must give me a discount? In fact, they sold two EVCs within a
week as
soon as they received them. They also carried a 2000EV at the same time
but still
it was there when I visit there last time.

I received kind messages from list members about PA dealer. But I
decided to go
for Springfield because of initial quality problems I heard from the
list. I
don't want few hour trip so often. Also I heard that all VW dealer can
not
service EVC due to the long wheel base.

All in all, VW Springfield sales person was very knowledgeable and
friendly. I'm
satisfied with them except the price. My EVC had full of propane (80%).
I don't know
why he told Steve a lie.

Regards,
Tad



steve kammerer <skammere-@...> wrote:
original article:
Mike, I also bought my 97 EVC at Sprlingfield VW, I found the
salesperson I used to be especially untruthful. We had agreed that
when
I was going to pick it up that he would have the propane in it and we
could test all the appliances. After driving down from Columbia MD,
he
said that the law forbids them to have vehicles on the lot at any time
with propane in them. He also didn't know how they worked. I later
wondered how the heck you would bring your EVC in for maintenance!
Good luck.
Ssteve Kammerer
97 EVC

john j pelszynski wrote:

Mike,
My old EVC dealer directory dated 1997 only shows one dealer in
Virginia
that carries EVCs and that's Springfield VW in Springfield up in
northern
VA. I live in Maryland and purchesed my 97 there. I'd suggest
calling
the VW 800 number(1-800-DRIVE VW) to see if there are any closer to
Richmond.

John Pelszynski
97 EVC

On Mon, 01 Nov 1999 17:37:21 -0800 jmichaelr@... writes:
Hi Group,
I recently bought a '95 EVC from a couple in W.Va., and am
thoroughly enjoying the "new" VW experience. (Am selling my old
faithful '78 Westy with a heavy heart). I have a cousin who lives
in
Richmond, Va., who is very interested in buying a new Eurovan
camper,
but who has been unsuccessful in finding a VW dealer in Va. who
even
knows what an EVC is! Does anyone have any information as to
where I
can send him for some straight information from VW?

Mike Randleman
Lincolnton, NC
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Re: Engine fire salvage

 

In a message dated 11/4/99 9:57:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
harryt11@... writes:

If you take the URL in the following message and change the 7 digit
number at the end to 3995909 you will pull up a 93 being salvaged due to
an engine fire. Info says it is a Texas title, any body on the list.

Harry Thompson
Regarding (a 93 MV
with automatic transmission), I find these pictures particularly sobering. I
too would like to hear the owner's story of the circumstances leading to the
fire. Perhaps it was caused by leaking fuel lines. The pictured license
plate looks to be from NJ.

Bob "Glad It's Not Mine" Williams


Re: CONSOLE thanks - WAS- 93 WEEKENDER soon up for salvageauction

 

In a message dated 11/4/99 1:27:14 AM, you wrote:

<<I had been meaning to tell you how happy I am with the console I
purchased from you recently for my EV -
Real nice match with the black on the dash - looks damn near OEM too :-)
and still easy to get back thru the isle to the kids.... unlike those
larger ZWO ones would have been.

Thanks for the nice item,

Bill>>

Bill,
I'm glad you're happy with it. Kamei has been making accessories for VW
since the 1950s. Their products are considered to be good quality.

I'm trying to stock other items, but the distributor here in the US puts a
100% mark over retail on everything. As an example, this same console costs
$200 from them.

Steve Lashley
'66 Westy
'74 Campmobile
'93 EV MV
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314-614-0750
Importing German Side Tents, Carver Propane Heaters and other Accessories for
Bus, Vanagon and EuroVan


Re: Compass on the dash - Anothe option to consider

Charles Bragg
 

At 06:06 PM 11/03/1999 -0800, Jerry wrote:
While I have also added a small compass on the dash, I have wondered if
anyone has considered adding (or have made the swap) to one of the
aftermarket rearview mirror's with the built-in compass/temp digital
display (Its an option found on certain GM vehicles). The only
downside would be the price, ~$200.
If you're going to spend $200, how about a handheld GPS? That way you'd not only know which way you're facing, but why it's the wrong way ;-)
For $200 you could get a digital thermometer *and* a GPS.


========
Chuck Bragg, Santa Monica Bay Audubon

cgbragg@...
fax: 209-671-6396
========


Re: CONSOLE thanks - WAS- 93 WEEKENDER soon up for salvage auction

Team Degenerate
 

Sklashley@... wrote:

Bill>>

It's hard to tell from the photographs, but this EV could be restorable.

Steve -

I had been meaning to tell you how happy I am with the console I
purchased from you recently for my EV -
Real nice match with the black on the dash - looks damn near OEM too :-)
and still easy to get back thru the isle to the kids.... unlike those
larger ZWO ones would have been.

Thanks for the nice item,

Bill


test

 

AH HA... figgered it out -

Click reset bouncing status and mnow lets see what's up.

G'night racefans

Bill


93 WEEKENDER soon up for salvage auction

Team Degenerate
 

Hi folks -

I am not on the list - dunno why because Egroups shows my account as
having this as one of the three lists I am on? But no messages come
in....

Anybody on the list in PORTLAND , OREGON ?????

check this baby out:

I want the wheels

somebody must need the tranny

can you put the top on a non weekender?

TONS of good stuff left on it....



Bill


Re: Temperature Gauge

 

Eckhard,

My guess is the temp gauge was not working as it should. The factory
manual indicates it should start to open at 189 F (176 for the VR6
engine) and be full open by 216 F (221 for the VR6 engine) for the 2.4L
diesel and 2.5L 5cyl engines. However, there is always the possibility
of having a different thermostat.

You could possibly "calibrate" your gauge by checking when/how many of
the electric fans are coming on. The factory manual indicates there is
a thermal switch located on the radiator, about halfway up on the side
opposite of the side with the upper radiator hose. This 2 stage swith
controls when the fan(s) come on.
Stage 1: ON (183 - 192 F)
OFF (169 - 181 F)
Stage 2: ON (194 - 203 F)
OFF (180 - 192 F)
The manual is not clear on this point, but as near as I can tell, stage
1 means only one fan is running. Stage 2 means both are running (Does
anyone know for sure? - I have to check the next time my fan(s) kick
in). The nice thing about this, its operation is independant of the
thermostat.

I also found that the EV has a "Thermostat control for shutters". Its
mounted between the fans. When the coolant temperature drops below 77
F, it closes the shutters. The shutters are the plastic circle devices
behind the electric fans. When you're above 77 F, the sensor moves an
arm that opens the shutters so when the fans kick in, they can pass air
all the way through. This feature is only on the 2.4L diesel and 2.5L
- 5 cyl engines. It is not on the 2.8L VR6 engine.

This is my contribution to the collective EV body of knowledge tonight.
Hope its helped someone.

Jerry

eckhard rolz <erol-@...> wrote:
original article:
For some strange reason my gauge cluster worked today. I was
surprised to
see how low the temperature gauge registered. Where should it be? In
my
Jetta it is right in the middle when the temperature is correct. In
the EV
it never went past the 1/4 mark. (Well, maybe the gas gauge worked
and the
temp gauge did not?) Is that normal? Could it be that I have the
wrong
thermostat?
I have been thinking about installing an after market thermometer
but I
have no idea how to hook it into the cooling system without causing a
leak.
Has anyone installed an after market temp gauge?
Eckhard


1997 Eurovan for sale, Dallas, TX

 

I need to sell my 1997 EV Camper and am wondering if anyone would be
interested in it. I'm asking $27,500 and it has less than 30,000 miles
on it. I'm the second owner. It's got everything and everything works
great. I also bought a storm shield car cover from Go Westy which will
go with the camper. It has a 2" trailer hitch and is prepped for use
with electric brake trailers. It has the center seat. It drives great;
I've had no problems with it but need to sell due to growing family. I
live in a northern suburb of Dallas, TX.


Contacting VW direct

Eckhard Rolz
 

Yes, we ought to give the VW rep the chance to make good on an obvious
VW design problem.
I am just wondering. How do you get a VW rep involved? Through the dealer,
the 800 #?
Thanks
Eckhard


Re: Compass on the dash - Anothe option to consider

 

While I have also added a small compass on the dash, I have wondered if
anyone has considered adding (or have made the swap) to one of the
aftermarket rearview mirror's with the built-in compass/temp digital
display (Its an option found on certain GM vehicles). The only
downside would be the price, ~$200.

Jerry

richard cochran <rcochra-@...> wrote:
original article:

Eckhard Rolz wrote:
I noticed on your web site that you mounted a compass on the dash. I
had one in the exact spot but mine did not work there at all. I must
have a magnetic field there. According to mine I was always going
east. Have you had any problems?
My compass (Ritchie X-10, which looks great with the grey interior of
the EVC, by the way) has compensating magnets to counteract stray
magnetic fields. There's a somewhat involved process of repeatedly
pointing the van north, south, east, and west, and adjusting screws to
get it to work, but once adjusted, it works just fine. The compass
owner's manual is the best reference for this. All but the cheapest
car compasses will have compensating magnets (my compass cost about
$20.00 at West Marine).

But I have noticed one small problem. The AC/Heater fan must have
some wires nearby, because as I turn the fan on, off, or change the
speed, the compass swings by up to 10 or so degrees. It's not a big
deal, but I turned the fan on "2", where I seem to keep it much of the
time, and then went through the adjustment process to make the compass
as accurate as possible at that fan setting.

Regardless of fan setting, the compass is accurate enough to help me
make an educated guess as to which way I want to turn at the next
intersection.

--Rich


Temperature Gauge

Eckhard Rolz
 

For some strange reason my gauge cluster worked today. I was surprised to
see how low the temperature gauge registered. Where should it be? In my
Jetta it is right in the middle when the temperature is correct. In the EV
it never went past the 1/4 mark. (Well, maybe the gas gauge worked and the
temp gauge did not?) Is that normal? Could it be that I have the wrong
thermostat?
I have been thinking about installing an after market thermometer but I
have no idea how to hook it into the cooling system without causing a leak.
Has anyone installed an after market temp gauge?
Eckhard


Re: Contacting VW direct

 

Ron,

Yes, we ought to give the VW rep the chance to make good on an obvious
VW design problem.

But if you know, say through this site, that a VW rep has brushed off
another EV owner with the same problem - then I'd be inclined to start
the other way 1st to get the attention of the VW rep.

Jerry

rbiege-@... wrote:
original article:
Jerey,
Although I agree with your idea if VW doesn't respond to a letter,
shouldn't
the first step be to contact a VW rep and see if they will repair
it? I
think you need to go through this first step.
Ron


Re: 2nd Battery

nightsky
 

The alternator in the MV is a 120 amp same as in the camper so it should work
fine. Any RV shop will have the battery isolator switch and wiring to do the job
BUT you should put the battery in a sealed container with a vent to the outside
for safety.

Geoff

Harry Thompson wrote:

I thought I sent this a couple of weeks ago but maybe my email ate it. I
am thinking of putting a deep cycle type battery in my 93 EV-MV to run a
TV or small refrigerator while camping. Has anyone else done this and
what is involved to set up the charging for the second battery? Is the
stock alternator up to the task? I am thinking that a good location for
the battery would be in one of the small cabinets in the rear. TIA for
any suggestions.

Harry Thompson

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Re: 93 WEEKENDER soon up for salvage auction

 

In a message dated 11/4/99 12:14:08 AM, Sklashley@... writes:

<<

Bill>>

It's hard to tell from the photographs, but this EV could be restorable.>>

I dunno. The right front wheel looks like it's about 6-8 inches out of
whack, like the frame was bent or the tranny/engine were broken from the
mounts. Shame to see such a fine automobile go to waste.

Todd


Re: Compass on the dash

Richard Cochran
 

Eckhard Rolz wrote:
I noticed on your web site that you mounted a compass on the dash. I
had one in the exact spot but mine did not work there at all. I must
have a magnetic field there. According to mine I was always going
east. Have you had any problems?
My compass (Ritchie X-10, which looks great with the grey interior of
the EVC, by the way) has compensating magnets to counteract stray
magnetic fields. There's a somewhat involved process of repeatedly
pointing the van north, south, east, and west, and adjusting screws to
get it to work, but once adjusted, it works just fine. The compass
owner's manual is the best reference for this. All but the cheapest
car compasses will have compensating magnets (my compass cost about
$20.00 at West Marine).

But I have noticed one small problem. The AC/Heater fan must have
some wires nearby, because as I turn the fan on, off, or change the
speed, the compass swings by up to 10 or so degrees. It's not a big
deal, but I turned the fan on "2", where I seem to keep it much of the
time, and then went through the adjustment process to make the compass
as accurate as possible at that fan setting.

Regardless of fan setting, the compass is accurate enough to help me
make an educated guess as to which way I want to turn at the next
intersection.

--Rich


Re: 93 WEEKENDER soon up for salvage auction

 

In a message dated 11/3/99 11:09:37 PM, highrpm@... wrote:

<<check this baby out:

I want the wheels

somebody must need the tranny

can you put the top on a non weekender?

TONS of good stuff left on it....



Bill>>

It's hard to tell from the photographs, but this EV could be restorable.

Steve Lashley
'66 Westy
'74 Campmobile
'93 EV MV
<A href="></A>
314-614-0750
Importing German Side Tents, Carver Propane Heaters and other Accessories for
Bus, Vanagon and EuroVan