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Re: 93 EVC - Pros & Cons?
Michael G. McCarthy
he he......... ??must have been a deeply philosphical Freudian slip to "accidently" hit the send button at exactly that moment!
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---------- From: "Laurie Cooper" To: ev_update@... Subject: Re: [ev_update] 93 EVC - Pros & Cons? Date: Mon, May 8, 2000, 2:05 PM Why? ?Is there a deep philosophical reason? ?Or are you just an |
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Re: 93 ev mv wkndr power loss
Michael G. McCarthy
An engine of the 90's with everything working BUT the cat will handily pass emissions tailpipe testing, and obviously a gutted cat will pass the visual inspection. ?A fair question to ask is how much environmental damage is done producing a new cat versus how much environmental damage is done driving around with a gutted one? ?There is no free lunch. ?My guess is the best thing you can do for the environment is make sure your OXS sensor is working correctly (my guess is that if your OXS sensor is faulty and slips into its default-to-rich mode, you'll be doing lots more eco-damage than running with no cat at all).
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Mike ---------- From: Brett To: ev_update@... Subject: Re: [ev_update] Re: ?93 ev mv wkndr power loss Date: Mon, May 8, 2000, 1:52 PM I recently had similiar power loss problems. ?My '93 Eurovan would loose power and not rev past 3000 rpm. ?I thought immediately that it was an oxygen sensor problem. ?Unpluging the oxygen sensor seemed to help, but only for a few minutes of driving. ?I limped it over to my friends garage and he hooked it up to the OBD computer and it came up with a bad OXS and bad coolant temp sensor. ?The OXS had been replaced on the van previously and the code might not of been reset so on Friday I took the cheap route and replaced the $11 coolant sensor. ?This morning (Monday) I was back at the dealer buying the $170 OXS . ?It didn't seem to fix the problem either. |
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Re: 93 EVC - Pros & Cons?
ahbdsq@aol.com
In a message dated 5/8/00 11:08:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
gibbonsnc@... writes: << So, early = simple and cheap, late = complex and expensive. >> Yeah, yeah...The last time this came up it was also claimed that early=reliable. With this reasoning we have lost ground since the 1st automobile and we should all be looking for the oldest vehicle we can find. Rubbish. Vehicles have gotten more reliable every year since the 50's. (Boy it feels good to vent after work). Blaine |
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Re: Can you canoe...
Thanks Hank!
Is weight not an issue? I don't know what the lifting mechanism is, but I wasn't sure it could handle the weight of the canoe. Laurie --- In ev_update@..., "Henry Julian" <hejulian@w...> wrote: Laurie:still on - however; you might have a problem in both raising the pop-topand raising the rear hatch at the same time - I use quik&easy mountingsystem with 2X2 cross bars and this works OKthe tofact that we will have to keep taking off our canoe every time we -----actually leave the canoe on the top when it is lifted. -----You have a voice mail message waiting for you at iHello.com: |
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Re: 93 EVC - Pros & Cons?
Donald Gibbons
93 EV's are the simplest EV ever imported to the US. No knock sensor,
no OBD II system, ABS was optional. There are a few known problems: 1. Fuel line leaks. There is presently a recall for a free repair for this. 2. Gages. Many EV's have a minor electrical problem with the fuel/cooling gage. Its an easy thing to fix. 3. Piston slap. Many early EV engines have pistons that for what ever reason are too loose. This makes some noises until they warm up. But it does not seem to cause any durability problems. 4. AC systems. This is the only area that you should really look at. Right in front (And I do mean RIGHT in front, maybe 3" from the tire) of the right front tire is the AC system's reciever/dryer unit. Because its so close to the tire it can get damaged by rocks and stuff. If its leaking oil or anything else have it serviced and maybe repaired to keep the system working. Keep in mind that many of these things have been improved in latter year EV's but the improvments were combined with upgrade that make the latter EV's more complicated. In 97 they went to a VR6 engine and airbags are std. 97's and up are also not avail with a simpler manual transmission. So, early = simple and cheap, late = complex and expensive. |
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Re: 93 EVC - Pros & Cons?
Donald Gibbons
93 EV's are the simplest EV ever imported to the US. No knock sensor,
no OBD II system, ABS was optional. There are a few known problems: 1. Fuel line leaks. There is presently a recall for a free repair for this. 2. Gages. Many EV's have a minor electrical problem with the fuel/cooling gage. Its an easy thing to fix. 3. Piston slap. Many early EV engines have pistons that for what ever reason are too loose. This makes some noises until they warm up. But it does not seem to cause any durability problems. 4. AC systems. This is the only area that you should really look at. Right in front (And I do mean RIGHT in front, maybe 3" from the tire) of the right front tire is the AC system's reciever/dryer unit. Because its so close to the tire it can get damaged by rocks and stuff. If its leaking oil or anything else have it serviced and maybe repaired to keep the system working. Keep in mind that many of these things have been improved in latter year EV's but the improvments were combined with upgrade that make the latter EV's more complicated. In 97 they went to a VR6 engine and airbags are std. 97's and up are also not avail with a simpler manual transmission. So, early = simple and cheap, late = complex and expensive. |
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Re: 93 ev mv wkndr power loss
Brett
开云体育I recently had similiar power loss
problems.? My '93 Eurovan would loose power and not rev past 3000
rpm.? I thought immediately that it was an oxygen sensor problem.?
Unpluging the oxygen sensor seemed to help, but only for a few minutes of
driving.? I limped it over to my friends garage and he hooked it up to the
OBD computer and it came up with a bad OXS and bad coolant temp sensor.?
The OXS had been replaced on the van previously and the code might not of been
reset so on Friday I took the cheap route and replaced the $11 coolant
sensor.? This morning (Monday) I was back at the dealer buying the $170 OXS
.? It didn't seem to fix the problem either.
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It ends up the cat is toast.? It has a shattered
core.? I cut the exhaust and undid one pipe connection and dumped it out
this morning.? After putting everything back together, it runs great.?
The exhaust rattle I thought I had is gone too.? Turns out it was the cat
pieces rattling around.
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Has anyone on the list priced Catalytic Converters
lately?
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Brett Corneliusen
mailto:afmoa@...
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Re: Water Filters
Bill Segesser
hi Joan,
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while not as convenient as in-line, we have a 16 oz brita h2o filter that works quickly (enough) and stores easily. Bill Segesser 95 evc -----Original Message-----
From: J Henley [mailto:soreal@...] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 8:51 PM To: ev_update@... Subject: [ev_update] Water Filters Has anyone installed an inline water filter? Joan SW FL '97 EVC ------------------------------------------------------------------------ How about a flat, no-fee long distance rate of 6.7? per min. - or less? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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Re: 93 EVC - Pros & Cons?
Michael G. McCarthy
Sorry, I sent the other email before it was finished. The '93 is the only
widely availalble EV, although there are quite a few other permutations (other years, engines, campers, Winnebago conversions, etc), most of those were not here in the US. Basically, there was the '93, the '99, and now the 2000. I would NOT rely on Ralph Nader for auto advice. Here's the very first thing he lists for the EV at the site you mentioned: Engine/Driveablity: Drifts/pulls ?92 G/GTI/J, ?92-93 Ct/F, ?92-94 Co, ?93 E, The '93 Eurovan drifts/pulls?, and this is an Engine/Driveability problem? This is an ALIGNMENT problem, and all cars need alignment/re-alignment with regularity. That seems like a useless list. A '92 GTI has the problem, but the "93 doesn't?, or the '91? You could easily pick through the Nader's list and take it apart piece by piece. For a REAL list of real problems, I'd scroll through this eGroup or get a back issue of EV Update (email to gregoryw@...). The true list of problems is not much different than any other vehicle, and generally better than most. (Ford is reporting in the last few days that they are having problems with there 3.8L V-6 from the mid 90's....... all those Windstars with engine problems. Now THAT's a real problem, not "drifts/pulls".) Mike ---------- From: "Laurie Cooper" <lcooper9@...> To: ev_update@... Subject: Re: [ev_update] 93 EVC - Pros & Cons? Date: Mon, May 8, 2000, 12:57 PM So..the 93's aren't particularly problematic? I surfed over to the Auto Safety web site and they had a long, long list of problems with the 93's. It kind of scared me off! Laurie --- In ev_update@..., "Michael G. McCarthy" <mgmccarthy@c...> wrote: 50K miles is very low! I'd almost bid on that one sight unseen.If it hasn't been in a wreck, and there's a record of oil changes, I'dsay grab it as practically anything else that might be broken is worth fixing(with the possible exception of a truly screwed up air conditioning system).with more typical mileage (100k plus), and those have been around $5-6K.Obviously expect to pay more for a vehicle with just half those miles, but Iwould think you might be able to get it for less than $10K, if the sellerwere motivated, and that would be a good price, a very good.haven't already happened: clutches on 5-speeds, brakes, tires, shocks, CVboots - in short, stuff not made out of metal. Metal lasts, if it getsoil. The other stuff is fixable, and whether or not it's already beenreplaced should be part of the negotiations. A vehicle with a fresh replacement ofvehicle that will soon need all that stuff done.---- eLerts---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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Re: 93 EVC - Pros & Cons?
Michael G. McCarthy
In most situations. 93's are the only real EV there is
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---------- From: "Laurie Cooper" To: ev_update@... Subject: Re: [ev_update] 93 EVC - Pros & Cons? Date: Mon, May 8, 2000, 12:57 PM So..the 93's aren't particularly problematic? ?I surfed over to the |
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Re: 93 EVC - Pros & Cons?
So..the 93's aren't particularly problematic? I surfed over to the
Auto Safety web site and they had a long, long list of problems with the 93's. It kind of scared me off! Laurie --- In ev_update@..., "Michael G. McCarthy" <mgmccarthy@c...> wrote: 50K miles is very low! I'd almost bid on that one sight unseen.If it hasn't been in a wreck, and there's a record of oil changes, I'dsay grab it as practically anything else that might be broken is worth fixing(with the possible exception of a truly screwed up air conditioning system).with more typical mileage (100k plus), and those have been around $5-6K.Obviously expect to pay more for a vehicle with just half those miles, but Iwould think you might be able to get it for less than $10K, if the sellerwere motivated, and that would be a good price, a very good.haven't already happened: clutches on 5-speeds, brakes, tires, shocks, CVboots - in short, stuff not made out of metal. Metal lasts, if it getsoil. The other stuff is fixable, and whether or not it's already beenreplaced should be part of the negotiations. A vehicle with a fresh replacement ofvehicle that will soon need all that stuff done.---- eLerts---- |
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Re: Can you canoe...
Henry Julian
Laurie:
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I don't see what the problem is with raising the pop top with canoe still on - however; you might have a problem in both raising the pop-top and raising the rear hatch at the same time - I use quik&easy mounting system with 2X2 cross bars and this works OK Hank hejulian@... -----Original Message-----
Subject: [ev_update] Can you canoe... We are considering purchasing an EVC, but we are concerned about the |
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Re: 93 EVC - Pros & Cons?
Michael G. McCarthy
50K miles is very low! ?I'd almost bid on that one sight unseen. ?If it hasn't been in a wreck, and there's a record of oil changes, I'd say grab it as practically anything else that might be broken is worth fixing (with the possible exception of a truly screwed up air conditioning system).
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I've seen some terrific prices on eBay and uBid in auction for EVs with more typical mileage ?(100k plus), and those have been around $5-6K. ?Obviously expect to pay more for a vehicle with just half those miles, but I would think you might be able to get it for less than $10K, if the seller were motivated, and that would be a good price, a very good. Also consider other big-ticket items that are inevitable, if they haven't already happened: ?clutches on 5-speeds, brakes, tires, shocks, CV boots ?- in short, stuff not made out of metal. ?Metal lasts, if it gets oil. ?The other stuff is fixable, and whether or not it's already been replaced should be part of the negotiations. ?A vehicle with a fresh replacement of drivetrain and friction ?stuff is worth at least $2K more than a vehicle that will soon need all that stuff done. ---------- From: "Laurie Cooper" To: ev_update@... Subject: [ev_update] 93 EVC - Pros & Cons? Date: Mon, May 8, 2000, 12:25 PM Do any of you have any insight/advice re: the 93 EVC? ?Are there any |
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Can you canoe...
We are considering purchasing an EVC, but we are concerned about the
fact that we will have to keep taking off our canoe every time we lift the pop-top. Are there any ways around this? My husband was wondering if anyone had come up with a device which permitted you to actually leave the canoe on the top when it is lifted. Any ideas? Laurie |
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