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Re: VW MV Campers, Which Years?

Christian R.
 

no it has two beds,
one up , one down.
Check my van here:


you should have answers to most of your concern.

Christian

----- Original Message -----
From: <rvdalton@...>
To: <ev_update@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:53 AM
Subject: [ev_update] Re: VW MV Campers, Which Years?


Thanks for your info. Is there only one bed (bottom one) on the VW
MV Weekender? I haven't seen any of these in my area (Northern
Virginia).

--- In ev_update@y..., "Ned Rothstein" <ned_rothstein@h...> wrote:
--- In ev_update@y..., rkbowman@u... wrote:
Winnebago makes the Camper, Westfalia makes the Weekender.

I think you are referring to the MV Weekender. It is an option
package provided by Westfalia for the MV which includes a Pop-up
roof
with a 2-person bed, window screens, a small electric
refrigerator,
sliding window curtains and a screen for the rear hatch. Sold in
1993, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002.

I have seen no published safety information for the Eurovan more
recent than the crash test data for the 1993 model.

Ron
`97 EVC

Ron-

There was a westfalia camper as well. It was the Eurovan CV
and
was not a US model. It is a short wheelbase van and had the same
pop-
top as the Weekender, but did have the cabinetry and cooking stuff,
as
well as a furnace.

NED
93 Weekender



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Re: VW MV Campers, Which Years?

 

Thanks for your info. Is there only one bed (bottom one) on the VW
MV Weekender? I haven't seen any of these in my area (Northern
Virginia).

--- In ev_update@y..., "Ned Rothstein" <ned_rothstein@h...> wrote:
--- In ev_update@y..., rkbowman@u... wrote:
Winnebago makes the Camper, Westfalia makes the Weekender.

I think you are referring to the MV Weekender. It is an option
package provided by Westfalia for the MV which includes a Pop-up
roof
with a 2-person bed, window screens, a small electric
refrigerator,
sliding window curtains and a screen for the rear hatch. Sold in
1993, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002.

I have seen no published safety information for the Eurovan more
recent than the crash test data for the 1993 model.

Ron
`97 EVC

Ron-

There was a westfalia camper as well. It was the Eurovan CV
and
was not a US model. It is a short wheelbase van and had the same
pop-
top as the Weekender, but did have the cabinetry and cooking stuff,
as
well as a furnace.

NED
93 Weekender


Re: Maaco or Earl Scheib

 

Find your shop carefully. Not all Maaco or Earl Scheibs are the same.

This past Spring Bosch Power Tools contracted with Maaco to have all of their
salesman's vehicles painted Bosch blue. The salesman picked up their vehicle
at a local dealer and then took it to one of the local Maaco shops.

I got a chance to see some of the paint jobs from different Maaco locations.
None of them were even close to being acceptable. Paint runs, overspray,
areas missed around the bumpers or under the sides. Most of the cars had to
be repainted. Some more than twice.

After the first couple of weeks, Bosch stopped the program and decided to buy
the closest dark blue new vehicles they could get.

Steve Lashley
SKL Enterprises Inc.

636-797-9015
636-789-2127 fax


Re: Belly pan

Michael G. McCarthy
 

All other things being equal it would be better to
operate in the range when the thermostat is just
coming into full open then running just under the fan
temp switch point.
Don,

Even granting that the ideal temp range is a range where the thermostat is
just opening (and I don't know what evidence there is for that) and where
the fans accordingly should hardly ever turn on except when running the A/C,
you are arguing that the hood/grill/bellypan is designed as a coordinated
system in such a way to steadily evacuate air from the engine compartment by
pulling it through the radiators such that the fans are NOT really needed,
thereby keeping temps at an optimized lower-than-what-trips-the-fans AND
high-enough-to-open-the-thermostat range. I follow your logic, but I don't
believe the pan is part of a system that sophisticated and optimized around
keeping the fans off. Why bother? Just run the fans.

I think instead that the pan is more simply part of a system designed to
minimize the costs associated with weatherproofing and protecting vulnerable
underhood components, and that's very important in highly electronic cars
with lots of sensors, wiring and fittings. Likewise, costs are reduced
because the pan forms a physical shield that protects components, wiring and
plumbing thereby eliminating the need to engineer all those things out of
harm's way, or make tem impact resistant. Is the pan also engineered to be
part of a venturi-style cooling system that's optimize for an idealized temp
range lower than the temp range that trips the fans? I highly doubt it.
Could be, but I just don't think so.


----------
From: "Donald " <gibbonsnc@...>
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: Belly pan
Date: Tue, Sep 18, 2001, 12:30 PM


I was not thinking so much about the fans as I was about the coolant
temps being lower.

Look at it this way: If you have all other things equal (engine
speed, ground/air speed, grade of road) more air thru the radiator
will give you lower coolant temps.

I don't have my book with me right now but there are two temp ranges
here: Fan switch & thermostat setting. Its clear that no matter what
the ground/air speed the fan will come on when the coolant gets hot
enough. But there is a gap between when the thermostat is fully open
and when the fans come on. All other things being equal it would be
better to operate in the range when the thermostat is just coming
into full open then running just under the fan temp switch point.



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Re: Belly pan

Donald
 

I was not thinking so much about the fans as I was about the coolant
temps being lower.

Look at it this way: If you have all other things equal (engine
speed, ground/air speed, grade of road) more air thru the radiator
will give you lower coolant temps.

I don't have my book with me right now but there are two temp ranges
here: Fan switch & thermostat setting. Its clear that no matter what
the ground/air speed the fan will come on when the coolant gets hot
enough. But there is a gap between when the thermostat is fully open
and when the fans come on. All other things being equal it would be
better to operate in the range when the thermostat is just coming
into full open then running just under the fan temp switch point.


Re: 93 EV-High mileage potential?

 

I'm a believer. If I were any where near that 93 in El Paso that
Madeline mentions (see message above re: ebay auction), I'd jump on
it. For $4,000, you'll find a lot of good, used 93's around. If I
can find one on the east coast for that, under 100K, I'm there.

Scott
MD/DC


Re: 93 EV-High mileage potential?

 

It may be possible that the early demise of the EV 5cyl is related to the
failure of cooling system fans or coolant leaks.

These seem to be weak points with the '92 - '95 EVs. If you don't keep ahead
of the fan resistors, temp sensors and relays, and the T fittings and coolant
hoses, you could have overheating problems that could easily destroy the
engines.

I have had very good luck with my '93 which is now pushing 160K. I just
replaced the blower motor this past weekend, and the T fitting on the block
for the second time.

Steve Lashley
SKL Enterprises Inc.

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636-789-2127 fax


Re: Overheating - HELP !! FIXED

James 'JC' Gochoco
 

Jerry,

Thank for your response, Last Saturday, when I went to
my mechanic he had checked the coolant level. I did
not metion on my prior email that the he Flushed the
Radiator and replaced with a new coolant.

He checked also temp by using a Laser gun and gives
the reading. The reading from the Laser Gun is much
lower what we are getting from the Dashboard.

So, they thought it was the timing. They have adjusted
the timing and the Temp on the Dash went down. But as
soon I came close to my house, I found out that the
temp went up again. So I waited.

Then I found the air filter housing was not properly
secured. As of this time the temp reading on my
dashboard is 190 to 200 deg. which is good.

I was thinking probably there is no proper circulation
of AIR?

The funny thing is that when the temp is high -230
deg. I tried to removed the sensor from the coolant
and still gives the same reading.

What I am thinking also is that the cluster assembly
but I have replaced this last year.

I also have a feeling that I am not out of the woods
yet. I will inform you once there's some changes on my

reading in the future.


Thanks,
JC











--- sanae@... wrote:
JC,

I'm not sure you are out of the woods just yet. If
I follow what you
are saying is the cause - incorrect replcement of
the air filter
housing - its not clear to me how this could cause
an overheating
problem...

In any case, recheck the coolant level a few times
to make sure the
mechanic correctly topped the coolant level (there
is a small bleeder
screw that you remove to let the air escape out the
backside as you
are adding coolant to the tank. Try running the
heater in the
morning when its cooler. After the EV is warm and
the heater is
running, open the hood and check the coolant level,
it should at
least at the minimum level.

Hope you have it solved.
Jerry


--- In ev_update@y..., James 'JC' Gochoco
<ieworld@y...> wrote:
HI ALL:

I think i have fix the problem. On Satuday, I went
to
a mechanic, they replace the following.

1.) thermostat
2.) 3 pcs swtiches for Fans
3.) Flush the radiator.

The labor is $ 60.00 and a total of $ 121.00.


Now they also adjusted the timing. But when I went
home It still overheating. So I waited for the
engine
to Cool Down.

After 2 hours. I check every sinle wire on the
engine.

Few weeks ago, I have a Complete Tune-up. Almost
every
single wire is OK. Then I check the AIR FILTER.
GOT
IT!! The Air filter Housing is not properly snap.
After I secure the clips. I did not have any
problem.

SO THE AIR FILTER DID IT!!

THANKS YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!


J.C.



--- sanae@m... wrote:
JC,

Need more info, so the temp gauge just started
showing this? Is it
happening in city driving? Towing? in hot
weather
only? Is your
coolant level low? what happens when you run
the
heater when its at
230? Do you know if the fans work? ...

Jerry



--- In ev_update@y..., ieworld@y... wrote:
Hi All:

I just notice lately that the temp GAUGE has
start touching 230
degrees. I like to solicit opinions to as what
might be wrong in
this
kind of scenario.

My car is a 93 EV GL. Any inputs is highly
appreciated.


Thank you!

JC

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Re: 93 EV-High mileage potential?

 

--- In ev_update@y..., lars@b... wrote:
--- In ev_update@y..., "Vance, Beaumont W." <Beaumont.Vance@v...>
wrote:
I have 101k on my 95 EVC> According to an Audi mechanic I talked
to
they
will run 300k easily. He said that it is easy to find used Audi 5
cylinder
engines because they outlast the auto body.
I know I'm replying to an old message but...I was told that the
Audi
2.5L is a truck motor used in Europe. Is this motor easily found
in
North American wrecking yards? If so, what vehicles had it?
The 2.5 does not exist in North American yards, period. Which brings
up the fact I have an Audi 100 2.3 stuffed in my '93. It works but
was a PITA to install, and is the only of the Audi 5's that can even
vaguely fit. As to longetivity, this is concerning to me. The old
Audi engines easily went 250k miles then with a head touch up another
100k. BUT I bought my '93 having eaten #3 exhaust after a head
rebuild for low compression (one of the replaced valves broke off
so...) Since that time I've seen 2 others in yards sporting heads
removed, all of these right around 120-140k miles. Saw one just the
other day in the auto trader with factory new engine at 125k. This
is unheard of for previous 5 cylinders even shoddily maintained. The
head and tall block are unique to this vehicle as well and as I've
mentioned ludicrously rare in the US. My quandary is that good
friends have been wanting me to find them a Vanagon and I've been
thinging EV instead but in the price range they want to pay ($5k ish)
there are good deals on nice clean vans but all are in the 95-105k
range. I don't want to rec something that is going to need at least
a head, or engine in 1 year. Any opinions folks?

John
jander14@...


Re: VW MV Campers, Which Years?

 

Mine is from Canada -1992, short wheelbase Westy with all the cabinetry,
stove and fridge.

-----Original Message-----
From: rkbowman@... [mailto:rkbowman@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:38 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: VW MV Campers, Which Years?


You're right. And Westfalia continues to be make and sell Eurovan
campers in Europe.


Ron

Ron-

There was a westfalia camper as well. It was the Eurovan CV
and
was not a US model. It is a short wheelbase van and had the same
pop-
top as the Weekender, but did have the cabinetry and cooking stuff,
as
well as a furnace.

NED
93 Weekender




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Re: Hitch carriers

John Waterman
 

Hi Gary,
When I am flying, I take gross weight very seriously. On the ground
however, I am somewhat less concerned. I would be highly surprised if
at least 50% margin wasn't built into this number by the engineers.
John

gself@... wrote:


Are you worried about exceeding the GVW. Ours EVC2000 only has about
800+ pounds additional capacity from that you have to subtract our
weight (no small number), the dog's weight (45 lbs), weight of water
and supplies. I think some additional items must also be included.
It does not seem like there is much excess carrying capacity.

I guess for light, bulky items it would work well.

I think the next time we are fully loaded for a trip I'll run thru a
public scale to see how much extra we can carry.

. . . Gary of Grass Valley

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Re: heater hose-MV5

Michael G. McCarthy
 

You bleed the system as the very last step in any procedure involving
replacing cooling system components. You can use the little screw on the
high firewall hose -- careful, it's delicate -- or you can run-the
engine-then-top-off-the-overflow-tank numerous times. Either way you need
to get air OUT of the system to prevent air pockets forming through which
coolant will not circulate, and if coolant doesn't circulate it can't carry
heat to the radiators (there are three) where fans can transfer heat to the
air, thereby cooling the coolant.

----------
From: mochalleng@...
To: ev_update@...
Subject: Re: [ev_update] Re: heater hose-MV5
Date: Tue, Sep 18, 2001, 9:47 AM


So do I need to bleed it then I replace the hose? I've had a multitude of
coolant problems in the last year, and I don't want to make things any
worse.

Mike


In a message dated 9/18/2001 6:56:11 AM Central Daylight Time,
bleggis4@... writes:


That's exactly what the button does. I replaced my heater hose last
month along with a couple others






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Re: Hitch carriers

 

Are you worried about exceeding the GVW. Ours EVC2000 only has about
800+ pounds additional capacity from that you have to subtract our
weight (no small number), the dog's weight (45 lbs), weight of water
and supplies. I think some additional items must also be included.
It does not seem like there is much excess carrying capacity.

I guess for light, bulky items it would work well.

I think the next time we are fully loaded for a trip I'll run thru a
public scale to see how much extra we can carry.

. . . Gary of Grass Valley


Re: Posting Photos

John Waterman
 

Madeleine,
If you try to access that, you get a message that says "Please post
photos in the file section".
John

Madeleine Dewar wrote:


I don't know if this is something new or has always been there, but
when I went to look at John's hitch carrier pictures I ran across a
category that says "Photos." It has 30 MB of space and 0 used.
Anyone know if this is new or why we aren't using it given the fact we
are concerned about running out of space?

Peace, Love and Serenity,
Madeleine



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Re: Hitch carriers

John Waterman
 

Hi Madeleine,
Yup, most of the more severe problems are down in that part of the
country. There were some news articles from LaVeta (west of Walsenburg,
jut before LaVeta Pass) where there was concern about the residents
shooting and harrasing the bears. Basically, they were just getting fed
up with them eating their gardens and otherwise making a nuisance of
themselves. LaVeta probably has a population of 2 to 3 hundred people
and supposedly somewhere around 30 bears were making it into town. We
have even had a few in Denver.
John

Madeleine Dewar wrote:


"(Colorado has had some ..major..bear problems this year)."

No kidding. I was at an Isabel National Forest campground (really
beautiful, well maintained with electricity) in August. We were
warned about the bears and so kept all food enclosed. Ha! I had a
people food box and a dog food box inside my Swingaway box, but never
thought to lock it. The bear opened the box latch, took out the
people food box, opened it and ate all the Chex Mix, cookies and
microwave popcorn!

Peace, Love and Serenity,
Madeleine
----- Original Message -----
From: John Waterman
To: ev_update@...
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:13 PM
Subject: [ev_update] Hitch carriers

Labor day weekend Ann and I decided to get away from the Denver area
to
the mountains in the southern part of the state. We figured that it
would not only be some great R&R, but would also function as a shake
down cruise for our upcoming three to four week excursion. We ended
up
at Monument Lake, about 38 miles NW of Trinidad. This is a lake and
park owned and operated by the city of Trinidad. One of the
prettiest
camping areas we have been in, very inexpensive and extremely
helpful
and courteous staff who even came around every evening to pick up
our
trash (Colorado has had some ..major..bear problems this year).

Since we planned on taking our Nizzo tent, table and chairs and a
variety of other bulky items in anticipation of our long trip, I
asked
Marty Williams of Let's Go Aero for the use of one of his new Triple
Play hitch carriers (he had previously offered me the use of any of
his
products for having pulled one of his Herman trailers up to the
Winnebago factory for their review).

To say we were delighted with it would be a gross understatement.
It is
lightweight (40 lbs), has a large capacity (a 2 foot by 4 foot
platform
with a 30" high enclosure and kept its contents clean and dry in
spite
of our driving many miles on dusty dirt roads and coming through a
veritable deluge (enough to shut I-25 at two locations) as we
returned
through Colorado Springs. We loaded our Nizzo side tent, the bundle
of
poles and stakes, the rear hatch tent, two folding chairs and a
table
into it and only used up about half of the available space. It also
slides back on a spine which allows the rear hatch to be opened
without
removing the carrier. While not of particular interest to Ann and
I, it
can also be used to carry up to 5 bicycles (without the
enclosure)and
there can be provision for mounting a hitch ball behind the carrier
if
something else needs to be pulled.

For us, this is the perfect addition to our EVC. Upon returning it
on
Monday morning, I told Marty that I wanted one. He told me that
they
were doing a slight upgrade on the carrier and would have it
available
in several colors (including white, which I ordered)in about two
weeks.
A really neat piece of equipment and he also offered a 10% discount
for
members of this group.

I did post a couple of pictures of the carrier and of Monument Lake
on
the Yahoo website.

John

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Re: VW MV Campers, Which Years?

 

You're right. And Westfalia continues to be make and sell Eurovan
campers in Europe.


Ron

Ron-

There was a westfalia camper as well. It was the Eurovan CV
and
was not a US model. It is a short wheelbase van and had the same
pop-
top as the Weekender, but did have the cabinetry and cooking stuff,
as
well as a furnace.

NED
93 Weekender


Re: Hitch carriers

John Waterman
 

Hi David,
Glad it is working out for you. We seriously considered buying one of
the Hermans. My concern was storing it, backing it (although it
handles very nicely and, most importantly, the addition of an extra
axle. Ann and I travel a lot in Mexico and the toll roads, while
delightful to drive on, are horrendously expensive. The second axle
doubles them. As far as volume, I suspect the triple play will carry
1/4 to 1/3 as much as the Herman.
John

David Palmerston wrote:


John -

I just got my Let's Go Aero Herman AT last week (just before the
problems)
and I am really pleased with it. It sounds as though the Triple Play
will
carry almost as much volume as the Herman, although I'm glad I decided
on a
Herman at this point as I'd rather have something that I can easily
remove
and leave at the campsite.

After the (some assembly required) about 2 hours that I spent putting
the
Herman together (I'm kinda particular and took extra care with the
assembly), I've made some adjustments to the clamshell top closing
screws
(so it fits accurately) and purchased some additional hooks and
netting to
hold my gear safely in the Herman.

I purchased 3 of the bike holders and find that fitting 3 mountain
bikes is
really easy (uses less than half the space) and gives me the whole
other
side for our canopy and extra cooler. Then, I think that the rest of
the
space will be filled with the porta-potty, tarps, and sleeping bags...

I've towed it only about 35 miles so far, but have decided to put a
racing
stripe from the center of the front nose up the entire length of the
front
clam top. This stripe will enable me to easier backup with the
Herman, as
it can turn really quickly and sharply if the driver is too heavy on
the EVC
turning... I thought that the black handle would suffice for this, but
found
out that the handle is blocked from my view by the rear seat
headrest!!

I really think that the Herman will be great for our excursions to
give us
just a bit of extra space without being a huge towing liability...

I'm glad that you posted the pictures of the Herman as it helped me a
lot to
decide on a Herman AT vs. a standard utility trailer that weighs over
3
times what the Herman is empty!!

Thanks again, I hope you like your Triple Play as much as I like the
Herman...

David Palmerston
2001 EVC (and Herman AT)
Santa Maria, CA



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93 GLS in ElPaso, TX on eBay

Madeleine Dewar
 

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More dealer fun

Az Barber
 

Went in for the 10k service yesterday. For some strange reason, the van has
developed some small cracks in the plastic lens over the gauges. There's
been a slight problem with the floor in the rear passenger compartment
bowing up slightly, so I pointed that out as well. They told me they'd look
at it.

I get the van back, and the service writer tells me that they've ordered a
new plastic lens and they'll call me when it's in. The floor, I was told,
does that when the rear facing seat on the passenger side is removed. Well,
this is obviously bullshit, as you other MV owners know. The seat rests on
two pins in the metal under the carpeting. It rests none of it's weight on
the carpeted part of the floor at all. But hey, give the mechanic a break,
he's probably never even seen that seat in a van since most people take them
out and rarely use them. So I went home to install the seat, so I could go
back and show them and I notice that my front wheels have a lot more brake
dust than the rear wheels. Well, that's typical, but the 10k mile service is
supposed to include a tire rotation! I call the mechanic back up and I'm
prepared to give him hell for trying to sneak one past me, (and oddly
enough, looking forward to being angry... I think it may have to do with the
stress of recent events) and he completely catches me off guard by admitting
that he made a mistake and forgot to do it. Not only that, he dropped what
he was doing and did it right then. Now, I know he should have done it right
to begin with, but you gotta give him a couple points for fessing up to his
mistake and fixing it as fast as possible. He was also very apologetic, so I
went easy on him.

I forgot all about the floor thing too... I guess I'll bring it up to them
next time.

I hope all you folks had fun at BBTB!

Az
--
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Re: VW MV Campers, Which Years?

Ned Rothstein
 

--- In ev_update@y..., rkbowman@u... wrote:
Winnebago makes the Camper, Westfalia makes the Weekender.

I think you are referring to the MV Weekender. It is an option
package provided by Westfalia for the MV which includes a Pop-up roof
with a 2-person bed, window screens, a small electric refrigerator,
sliding window curtains and a screen for the rear hatch. Sold in
1993, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002.

I have seen no published safety information for the Eurovan more
recent than the crash test data for the 1993 model.

Ron
`97 EVC

Ron-

There was a westfalia camper as well. It was the Eurovan CV and
was not a US model. It is a short wheelbase van and had the same pop-
top as the Weekender, but did have the cabinetry and cooking stuff, as
well as a furnace.

NED
93 Weekender