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Terror's awful logic
Michael G. McCarthy
FWIW, this column is the closest yet to my own opinion
Terror's awful logic Column by Michael Kelly (former reporter for The Cincinnati Post, is now editor of the Atlantic Monthly.) This is the end logic of terror. The long age of imperialism bequeathed to this century a world full of questions of who wronged whom, and who stole whose land, and what should be done. Those questions, far from finding resolution in the half-peace of the Cold War's aftermath, roil ever more. Absent the relative stability imposed by the war of the giants, the grievances of those upon whom the giants acted out their territorial ambitions have much more room to grow. In theory, this is not a bad thing. But there are two great problems. The first is that, in the end, the whole world was stolen from somebody, most of it repeatedly; there are claims and counterclaims and counter-counterclaims for every inch of the planet that is desirable and for much that is not. The second is that people (and the governments they form) do not like to give back what they have acquired, whether that acquisition is of dubious morality or not. So, those with territorial claims turn to force. But here arises a third problem: By and large, the aggrieved do not possess the force necessary to win their way in open battle. Given this, a common response has been the use of terror: attacks by the aggrieved not on the soldiers of the enemy, but on the people of the enemy - on innocent victims. Given that this is murder, you would think that terrorism would have a hard time finding adherents. But tribalism is a powerful corrupting force, and so is ideology, and an awful quality of modern times has been the degree to which terror by various movements has been accepted as legitimate by those who support the goals of those movements. Communism found no difficulty persuading generations on the left that terror on the most massive scale was justified by the need to free the world from the yoke of capitalistic imperialism. Irish-Americans have almost monolithically supported the IRA in its decades of bombings and killings aimed at scaring the British out of Northern Ireland. And so it goes, case by tribal or ideological case, around the world. more text................ |
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Re: Teach your children well.....
I believe one thing for sure if this does not go unpunished it will happen
again and again and again. The people who instigated this event are the kind of people who will not listen to reason. Much like you. I do not like them not for what they did but for what they will ultimately make me and my children and your children do. I have lived long enough to know that my enemy does not have to like me or care for me. But he has to have enough respect for my word and my resolve that he will not harm me. I do not dislike the people that did this deed. But is I let this go I am just as guilty of the next murder as he. An I might add if you let this go and he does it again so are you. I have friends that feel about the U.S. Like the instigators of this act but they would never think of attacking our country or its people. I disagree with them, They disagree with me. We are still friends. If you are not willing to die for something you will die for nothing. If we do not destroy the evil that has done this thing it will destroy us. Only God will judge and I will gladly accept his judgment. I say we pray for our leaders to make the wright choices. Storm Penton |
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Re: Teach your children well.....
Michael G. McCarthy
An"awful" reaction to horrific? You mean you are in "awe" of your own
reaction? And "awe" is defined as a feeling of "reverence, fear and wonder caused by something majestic, sublime, sacred, etc." Gosh....what kind of "zombie" are YOU? Perhaps that's not REALLY what you mean, and I suppose we all know that. What we don't know -- or at least what I don't know -- is why you bother to condemn great numbers of people's intelligence and moral character simply because they have absorbed the jargon of the moment. You consider that consistent with your dropping of "'blame' and ultimate judgement" from your navigation paradigm? Seriously, do you really think people using the word "horrific" are morons who actually are thinking that they've just seen the most like totally awesome video game ever, dude? Give people a break; not everyone is a poet. Mike <--- promises to use "horrible" from now on, and to NEVER say "jumbo shrimp" ---------- From: wiliam meyer <wmeyer@...> To: ev_update@... Subject: Re: [ev_update] Re: Teach your children well..... Date: Wed, Sep 12, 2001, 8:43 PM the clearest thing i have done is to drop "blame" and ultimate judgment from my paradigm of "how to navigate the world in a positive manner". these labels are a moral club we use to try and smite others (and sometimes ourselves) meanwhile: i have an awful reaction to the work "horrific". it is parroted endlessly and i suspect all who use it. unfortunately for me i looked up "terrific" in the dictionary and it does indeed refer to a negative event. nevertheless, in modern times "terrific" connotes a positive thrill. combining the two words seems to say "an exciting horror spectacle." seeing this word used over and over causes me to doubt the level of thought and original work done by all these glibly parroting or incorporating this word. i really really have a problem with this word and those who use it. i have a terrible suspicion of their intelligence. it is used so frequently i am literally convinced that i am surrounded by zombies. i'm really not kidding. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Height: 345678ft 01234567891011in Weight: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <> . |
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Re: Teach your children well.....
wiliam meyer
the clearest thing i have done is to drop "blame" and ultimate judgment
from my paradigm of "how to navigate the world in a positive manner". these labels are a moral club we use to try and smite others (and sometimes ourselves) meanwhile: i have an awful reaction to the work "horrific". it is parroted endlessly and i suspect all who use it. unfortunately for me i looked up "terrific" in the dictionary and it does indeed refer to a negative event. nevertheless, in modern times "terrific" connotes a positive thrill. combining the two words seems to say "an exciting horror spectacle." seeing this word used over and over causes me to doubt the level of thought and original work done by all these glibly parroting or incorporating this word. i really really have a problem with this word and those who use it. i have a terrible suspicion of their intelligence. it is used so frequently i am literally convinced that i am surrounded by zombies. i'm really not kidding. |
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Re: What Every person on the List Can Do
John Pelszynski
Yes Scott, driving by the Pentagon this morning was very unreal with
acrid smoke still pouring out of the building. I work for the Department of Defense and I'm proud of the small part I play in the defense of our country but I felt very helpless yesterday as I watched the Pentagon fires burning out of control from my office window. But I can pray for the many victims and their families, a couple of them I'm afraid are my friends. And everyone else can pray and hope that our kids can live in a safer, more secure and better world. JP --- John Pelszynski --- jpfahrstar@... |
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Re: Cheaper Parts
Christian R.
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thanks to all who posted. Christian ----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Schellhase" <schellhase@...> To: <ev_update@...> Cc: <drz400@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ev_update] Cheaper Parts I don't know if this is the link you were looking for,____________________________________________________________________________ __ Messengerifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de
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egr valve reset
Al Ferguson
Long time lurker, first time poster...
I know this has probably been addressed before but... I would like to know if any of you good folks can tell me how to check and reset (if required) the EGR light on a 1997 Eurovan-Camper (VR6). On my late 80's Vanagons it was a simple black box on the speedo cable with a little hole to stick a pencil in - push the pencil in and the button will make a click sound and is reset. Had to do that every 30K if I remember correctly. Heck if I can find a similar setup on this Eurovan! So here is the deal, at 48.8K (and change) the "check-engine" light comes. It is running cool... I pull over and check oil, leaks, water, etc. - all is o.k. so I drive it to the dealership - Hueberger in Colorado Springs, CO - they won't even look at it for a week :-/ (terrible service) So I set an appointment. In the meantime I would like to check that EGR / OXY to see if it is a simple reset until I can get it in the shop. YES I WILL GET IT LOOKED AT. BTW - I just had a smog test on it - passed with ease. Thanks in advance for the help. Al Ferguson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger |
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Re: Cheaper Parts
Donald Hector
or just for comparison try www.altrom.com in canada . wheel cylinders for
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my 94 were cheap there. don -----Original Message-----
From: Eckhard Rolz <ichbinswieder@...> To: ev_update@... <ev_update@...> Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [ev_update] Cheaper Parts www.expressautoparts.com has some parts for the EV. Don't know about the |
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Re: Cheaper Parts
There's also HD Rogers in Bossier City, LA. They're
not VW-centric, but as another list member pointed out (thanks for the lead, too, btw!), they have some really good prices on some EV parts. I got a new clutch assembly from them, and they were significantly less than a lot of the parts suppliers around here. Oh, there's also www.vwparts.com; I've gotten oil filters from them, and they seem to be OK, too. Norman --- "Michael G. McCarthy" <mgmccarthy@...> wrote: europarts-sd.com could be the one? also __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger |
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Re: The path we will choose.......
Oh, paleeeeaaasse, death is usually synonymous with war. I can tell you
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from personal experience that the U.S. Military has always tried to prevent so called "collateral damage", sometimes at even more risk for our soldiers and airmen. If you want to teach your children something, tell them about all the proud American men and women who have given their lives over our history to protect daddy's right to express his opinion freely!....... ----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael G. McCarthy" <mgmccarthy@...> To: <ev_update@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [ev_update] The path we will choose....... ofI find it horrific that the former Secretary of State called the deaths Iraqi children "collateral damage."at teary Commencements. Try to tell me a 17-year-old kid on fixing boilersin the belly an aircraft carrier is a "combatant." No less and no more thanmy town, and in today's paper the letters to the editor includedlet God sort it out." I suspect more parents will WANT that guy as theirkids' teacher than would tell him to go to hell.people. I pray that our future actions, i.e. retaliations, will not cause more |
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Re: Cheaper Parts
Michael G. McCarthy
europarts-sd.com could be the one? also busdepot.com
---------- From: "Christian R." <drz400@...> To: <ev_update@...> Subject: [ev_update] Cheaper Parts Date: Wed, Sep 12, 2001, 3:20 PM Please help, I remember seeing a website here for parts 40 to 70 % cheaper. I struggled through the archives and couldn't find. Can someone post it again ? Thanks Christian ____________________________________________________________________________ __ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <> . |
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Re: The path we will choose.......
Tom Wilds
I'm glad your dad made it through the war and led a good life. However, I
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would remind you that at age 17, not only did he volunteer, he probably had the blessing if his father. I have to assume he felt he was fighting for a good cause so he signed up. I've always heard that the ground and other support crews were just as important as those flying the planes. You do what you have to do or are asked to do to combat the enemy. Yes innocent people die during a war no matter how careful the military is. It is a far cry from deliberate "Kamikaze" style attacks on downtown New York where the only thing the people did was go to work. I do not feel this is a time to over react, nor is it a time to simply turn the other cheek. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael G. McCarthy" <mgmccarthy@...> To: <ev_update@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [ev_update] The path we will choose....... ofI find it horrific that the former Secretary of State called the deaths Iraqi children "collateral damage."at teary Commencements. Try to tell me a 17-year-old kid on fixing boilersin the belly an aircraft carrier is a "combatant." No less and no more thanmy town, and in today's paper the letters to the editor includedlet God sort it out." I suspect more parents will WANT that guy as theirkids' teacher than would tell him to go to hell.people. I pray that our future actions, i.e. retaliations, will not cause more
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Re: Cheaper Parts
Larry Schellhase
I don't know if this is the link you were looking for,
check it out. --- "Christian R." <drz400@...> wrote: Please help,______________________________________________________________________________ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger |
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Cheaper Parts
Christian R.
Please help,
I remember seeing a website here for parts 40 to 70 % cheaper. I struggled through the archives and couldn't find. Can someone post it again ? Thanks Christian ______________________________________________________________________________ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... |
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Re: The path we will choose.......
I've been looking for answers. The essay referenced by the link
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below, "The Unknown Enemy", may give a fresh perspective on this seemingly inexplicable disaster to those of unsatisfied with a simplistic "solution" of retaliation that everyone is talking about. On the one hand, it's easy to imagine the satisfaction of blackening the skies of the mid east with huge clouds of U.S. aircraft, and then creating a few craters in select areas. But when I put my emotions aside and try to think this through, I can't help but wonder: will this truly satisfy anyone? Or will it just make a huge problem enormous? Serge --- In ev_update@y..., "James H. McCarthy" <jimhmc@m...> wrote:
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Re: The path we will choose.......
"combatants." It's an ugly Well, there ya go, then, more proof that people are more alike than they are different. It's too bad the extremists give everyone else a bad name. I'm guessing it was George Schultz with that incredibly insensitive comment, huh?... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger |
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Re: The path we will choose.......
Michael G. McCarthy
I find it horrific that the former Secretary of State called the deaths ofIraqi children "collateral damage." I surely agree with you on that James. I find the distinction between civilians and soldiers sometimes just as horrific. My dad entered WWII at age 17, missing his high school graduation. I've often heard the story of how Grandpa (like other fathers of the day) picked up their sons diplomas at teary Commencements. Try to tell me a 17-year-old kid on fixing boilers in the belly an aircraft carrier is a "combatant." No less and no more than Rosey the Riviter. Likewise I still grimace thinking of the "Highway of Death" where some of Hussein's 17-year-old conscripts tried to surrender, and some fought back, and we killed them all. After all, they were "combatants." It's an ugly ugly thing and no side has a monopoly of righteousness. Yes, the racist attacks on US citizens with ancestors from the Persian Gulf have begun in my town, and in today's paper the letters to the editor included bumper-stick-speak from a high school biology teacher: "Kill 'em all and let God sort it out." I suspect more parents will WANT that guy as their kids' teacher than would tell him to go to hell. ---------- From: "James H. McCarthy" <jimhmc@...> To: ev_update@... Subject: Re: [ev_update] The path we will choose....... Date: Wed, Sep 12, 2001, 1:38 PM I am glad that so many people are outraged by the deaths of innocent people. I pray that our future actions, i.e. retaliations, will not cause more innocent people to die. I find it horrific that the former Secretary of State called the deaths of Iraqi children "collateral damage." Jim McCarthy, Somerville, MA, USA pawelkepinski@... wrote: I usually refrain from making political or moral statements in Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Start here... Height: 3 4 5 6 7 8 ft 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 in Weight: lbs. kg. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <> . |
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Re: The path we will choose.......
James H. McCarthy
I am glad that so many people are outraged by the deaths of innocent people.
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I pray that our future actions, i.e. retaliations, will not cause more innocent people to die. I find it horrific that the former Secretary of State called the deaths of Iraqi children "collateral damage." Jim McCarthy, Somerville, MA, USA pawelkepinski@... wrote: I usually refrain from making political or moral statements in |
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