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Re: Dead Van Walking

Ted Maloney
 

I don't think I can do this ATF change myself so I was planning on
taking it to AAMCO or Lee Myles and asking for them to flush and change
the fluid. I remember talk of a screw that can be adjusted, but I
forget the details. Can I trust Lee Myles with this king of power?

T
E
D


Re: removing refrigerator

forest flanigan
 

Hi Pete-
I know folks on here have talked about a viewing window but I don't seem to
be able to see anything either.

Forest

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Pete Peterson <tds3pete@...> wrote:

Forest, thanks for timely post. I just happened to be fooling around
with mine yesterday and considered taking it out. It has been lighting
a little slow lately, and I wanted to see what was involved. I decided
if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Now that I know how easy it is, I will probably pull it next time.

One question...the manual talks about viewing the flame by looking
under the installed unit in place. I can see the burner box fine, but
the viewing port appears to be on the side. Do folks use a mirror to
view the flame in place or what?

Pete



Re: Dead Van Walking

gti_matt
 

--- Ted Maloney <freecycle@...> wrote:
Is this a death sentence? I shift into Reverse to back out of the
driveway and there is a 2-5 second hesitation before it slips into
gear. I then shift into Drive and everything is fine. There are no
other symptoms....it shifts fine all day as we drive. Just lately
we're getting that delay when shifting into reverse.

I have 102k miles and never changed the ATF....I know, I know it's my
own fault, but I was told it didn't need changing. It was only over
the past few months that I learned from this group that I should have
changed it! I had been told otherwise previously! So, don't tell
me "I told you so!"
Although the obvious answer now is change it because you're more than 2x overdue and you're having
trouble.

Make sure the pan is clean and also do the trans pressure screw mod as well while you're in there.
Being that you went to over 100K with the original fluid, you might even want to do two fluid
changes (do once, drive around for a while, maybe until next weekend, then change it again...or at
least do the next one after about 10K miles to get all caught up. The bit of fluid that doesn't
come out in a change is likely to be uber-dirt-concentrate.


Re: Has your transmission failed?

 

TED,
My 2002 MV EV transmission failed at 70K miles. It did hesitate and
slip a bit especially going up hills. It never made much noise
before going out, and was never difficult to put into gear. I think
that reverse was tough thou sometimes.

Catch now if you can. Apparently mine failed because the
tranmission fluid got burnt at some point. I was really pissed
especially since it was just a few thousand miles out of warranty.
It cost closet to $10K to get replaced and VW only gave me something
like $600 assistance.

Philip




--- In ev_update@..., "Ted Maloney" <freecycle@...>
wrote:

Greetings friends,

If you have already experienced a failed transmission on your
Eurovan, what were the first few signs of failure?

Hesitating once in gear....like when you accelerate from a red
light?

The transmission won't go into gear?

It slips a little here and there as you are going down the road
(feeling bad)?

When you first get into the car and put it in Drive (or Reverse) it
won't catch for a few seconds?


Thanks for you input. I just want to know what to watch out for!

THANKS,

T
E
D


2002 EV MV Wont Start

 

I was running some errands yesterday, my MV was starting fine, no
hesitation whatsoever with when starting. I make a quick stop, get
back in to leave and the car will not start. Plenty of power in the
system, just nothing getting to the starter. It's as if the starter
just got unplugged or something. I looked around for a blown fuse but
found none.

What could it be? Anyone had a similar problem?

Thanks,
Philip


Re: removing refrigerator

 

Forest, thanks for timely post. I just happened to be fooling around
with mine yesterday and considered taking it out. It has been lighting
a little slow lately, and I wanted to see what was involved. I decided
if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Now that I know how easy it is, I will probably pull it next time.

One question...the manual talks about viewing the flame by looking
under the installed unit in place. I can see the burner box fine, but
the viewing port appears to be on the side. Do folks use a mirror to
view the flame in place or what?

Pete


Re: Dead Van Walking

 

I noticed that you have recommended doing this mod numerous times. How long
ago did you do the mod and what are the results?

Bob W.

In a message dated 5/26/2008 5:22:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gti_matt@... writes:

also do the trans pressure screw mod as well while you're in there.





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Re: removing refrigerator

forest flanigan
 

You don't need to remove the panel--there are a couple of screws under the
fridge and two (I think) on each side. Remove the screws outside at the vent
and you should be able to slide it out. As soon as you get it out a couple
of inches the propane line -12 volt and 110 connections need to be
disconnected. Make sure that the gas is tuned off before you do anything.
Take apart the burner box and check the thermocoupler and makesure the
burner is clean and all of the slots are open--if there is carbon buildup
use soap and water to clean it out --brush the inside of the flue out and
you should be good to go.
Take your time and it will only take a few hours . Good Luck

Forest
95 EVC

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 9:38 AM, felixproulx <felixproulx@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,
I've a 95 EVC and would like to take out the refrigerator to check it
out (it doesn't work now) Is it hard to take it out, and then, to put
it back in place? How to I disconnect the refrigerator exhaust ? Also,
do I have to remove the control panel above the refrigerator ? What
else should I know ?
Thanks to all.
Felix A.



removing refrigerator

felixproulx
 

Hi everyone,
I've a 95 EVC and would like to take out the refrigerator to check it
out (it doesn't work now) Is it hard to take it out, and then, to put
it back in place? How to I disconnect the refrigerator exhaust ? Also,
do I have to remove the control panel above the refrigerator ? What
else should I know ?
Thanks to all.
Felix A.


Re: Dead Van Walking

Carl Henderson
 

Could be you only have a problem when the fluid is still cold. It
might be dirty (likely with 102K) or the level might be a little low.
I would just do the normal drop and drain ATF replacement, along with
a new filter, and see if behavior changes.

I don't think you need to go into panic mode yet!

Carl

--- In ev_update@..., "Ted Maloney" <freecycle@...> wrote:

Hello Gang,

Is this a death sentence? I shift into Reverse to back out of the
driveway and there is a 2-5 second hesitation before it slips into
gear. I then shift into Drive and everything is fine. There are no
other symptoms....it shifts fine all day as we drive. Just lately
we're getting that delay when shifting into reverse.

I have 102k miles and never changed the ATF....I know, I know it's my
own fault, but I was told it didn't need changing. It was only over
the past few months that I learned from this group that I should have
changed it! I had been told otherwise previously! So, don't tell
me "I told you so!"

Oh, woe is me! We're dead meat!

T
E
D

PS -


Re: Furnace Tips?

 

If the thermostat is bad, you can verify by jumpering the 2 wires
together which will call for heat ll the time. If the furnace burns OK
it's the thermostat.

It would be interesting to modify the furnace so the fan runs all the
time (perhaps at reduced voltage to conserve battery and generate less
noise). That way it wouldn't wake up light sleepers as it cycles on
and off. Would probably have to verify that such a modification was OK
with the furnace people.

Rob

--- In ev_update@..., "Pete Peterson" <tds3pete@...> wrote:

On my 95, there was several l.e.d. indicator lights on the circuit
board and a sticker to explain their function. That might be of help.
If you can't find the sticker:

green=start cycle
red=valve open
slow green=bad electrode
fast greeen= timed out

I ended up cutting a hole in the forward side of the shroud and
copying the sticker and pasting it where I could read it with the
furnace intstalled. Now with a mirror I can troubleshoot it while it
is installed (after removing the gray plastic interior panel).

The Eurovan service training manual from Winnebago (I bought mine
from Go Westy), has 18 pages on the furnace.....troubleshooting,
wiring diagram, etc. You might want to pick one up. It covers
everything Winnebago added to the van, in detail for servicing.

Pete
95 EVC


Re: Remote mirrors

Ted Maloney
 

David,

I'm no expert, but when my window stopped working and someone here told
me that a wire was broken between the door and the main part of the
car, I thought that they were grasping at straws, but they were right.
Peel back the rubber boot in which the wires run between the car and
the door. Feel along the wrapped wires and maybe you will feel a
break...if not, unwrap the wires and look.

Good luck,

Ted


Dead Van Walking

Ted Maloney
 

Hello Gang,

Is this a death sentence? I shift into Reverse to back out of the
driveway and there is a 2-5 second hesitation before it slips into
gear. I then shift into Drive and everything is fine. There are no
other symptoms....it shifts fine all day as we drive. Just lately
we're getting that delay when shifting into reverse.

I have 102k miles and never changed the ATF....I know, I know it's my
own fault, but I was told it didn't need changing. It was only over
the past few months that I learned from this group that I should have
changed it! I had been told otherwise previously! So, don't tell
me "I told you so!"

Oh, woe is me! We're dead meat!

T
E
D

PS -


Re: Furnace Tips?

 

On my 95, there was several l.e.d. indicator lights on the circuit
board and a sticker to explain their function. That might be of help.
If you can't find the sticker:

green=start cycle
red=valve open
slow green=bad electrode
fast greeen= timed out

I ended up cutting a hole in the forward side of the shroud and
copying the sticker and pasting it where I could read it with the
furnace intstalled. Now with a mirror I can troubleshoot it while it
is installed (after removing the gray plastic interior panel).

The Eurovan service training manual from Winnebago (I bought mine
from Go Westy), has 18 pages on the furnace.....troubleshooting,
wiring diagram, etc. You might want to pick one up. It covers
everything Winnebago added to the van, in detail for servicing.

Pete
95 EVC


Remote mirrors

David E. Fahnestock
 

Both my mirrors stopped working today. If I press up or down, I hear a "clunk" from both
mirrors but no movement. If I select right or left, no sound or movement. Wish I had a
schematic.

David


Furnace Tips?

adammentzell
 

I have 1997 EVC with a furnace that will not light. I have pulled it out and found that it is
getting propane, not clogged and the fan is running like a top. I follow the startup
procedures and get no heat. Gowesty advised trying to put my hand over the intake on the
outside while starting it. No luck.

Any tips? I heard that some people have found the thermostat to be the problem???

Thanks,

Adam


Re: Dash temperature gauge

dave_king_ev
 

There is something wrong with this "good info" because it describes
all 3 sensors as 4-pin sensors, which would mean 12 pins total, and
that would mean 6 devices.

But, as far as I can tell (I have a '99 12 valve, and a paper Bentley,
but there has been a discussion on vortex -- complete with wiring
diagrams posted for the 24 valve motor -- and what I've seen is
consistent with mine) there are just 5 devices:

ECU
gage
fan
afterrun pump
AC cutout

Various models -- the 5 cylinder, the 12 valve, the 24 valve -- have
various locations and combinations for all the sensors involved (for
example on some models the ECU and gage sensors are combined in a
4-pin device while on other models the ECU sensor is a 2-pin
device) but all models use only those 5 devices, which would mean only
10 total pins.

But, Dave's information shows 3 devices with 4 pins each which is 12
pins which means 6 devices.

Something is not adding up. Does the 24 valve motor have a 6th
device? If so, what is it?



--- In ev_update@..., Sea2river@... wrote:

Good info.

And when replacing the sensor, if you replace the cap on the coolant
reservoir (after relieving any residual pressure), the amount of
coolant loss will
be less that a cup.

Bob W.


In a message dated 5/25/2008 12:33:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
davebo1896@... writes:

And the new green d-shaped (oval) sensor did the trick.

The dash gauge is now working.

Another note, I think the AC was not working while this sensor was
malfunctioning. It seems to be working now. I'm not sure if this is
related.

So to sum up ...

There are two sensors under the engine in the thermostat housing.
You'll have to drop the belly pan to get to these, they are on the
driver's side.

The 4-pin d-shaped (oval) is for the dash gauge and the fuel
injection. The new sensor is green, the original one was black. the
black ones are a known problem.

The 4-pin square sensor next to the d-shaped sensor is for the fans.

There is a 4-pin blue sensor in a hose near the top of the block that
is for the after-run pumps.

Each sensor is held in with a c-clip. Each sensor has a rubber o-ring.

It is possible to swap out the sensors without draining the coolant
system, but you need to be quick with the lower ones (make sure the
coolant is cold, safety goggles and a closed mouth are advised)

The o-ring does not always come out when you pull the sensor. Make
sure it is accounted for before replacing the c-clip. Also be sure
the sensor is under the c-clip not over it, or it will pop out and
drain all your coolant.

Sensors and o-rings are available from Steve at
_ ()

Thanks All !!

Dave




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Re: Dash temperature gauge

 

Good info.

And when replacing the sensor, if you replace the cap on the coolant
reservoir (after relieving any residual pressure), the amount of coolant loss will
be less that a cup.

Bob W.

In a message dated 5/25/2008 12:33:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
davebo1896@... writes:

And the new green d-shaped (oval) sensor did the trick.

The dash gauge is now working.

Another note, I think the AC was not working while this sensor was
malfunctioning. It seems to be working now. I'm not sure if this is
related.

So to sum up ...

There are two sensors under the engine in the thermostat housing.
You'll have to drop the belly pan to get to these, they are on the
driver's side.

The 4-pin d-shaped (oval) is for the dash gauge and the fuel
injection. The new sensor is green, the original one was black. the
black ones are a known problem.

The 4-pin square sensor next to the d-shaped sensor is for the fans.

There is a 4-pin blue sensor in a hose near the top of the block that
is for the after-run pumps.

Each sensor is held in with a c-clip. Each sensor has a rubber o-ring.

It is possible to swap out the sensors without draining the coolant
system, but you need to be quick with the lower ones (make sure the
coolant is cold, safety goggles and a closed mouth are advised)

The o-ring does not always come out when you pull the sensor. Make
sure it is accounted for before replacing the c-clip. Also be sure
the sensor is under the c-clip not over it, or it will pop out and
drain all your coolant.

Sensors and o-rings are available from Steve at
_ ()

Thanks All !!

Dave




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Re: 2000 camper winnebago has anyone removed the closet and rear area

Jim White
 

I know that's been done quite a few times because there are a number of fairly late model (2001?) EVCs running around in just that condition. Some Seattle-based coffee company turned EVCs into mobile cafes by ripping out the rear closet & storage compartments (keeping the appliances and water systems as you say) and installing an espresso machine in their place.

I saw one being sold after they were done with it and the coffee machine was removed, but don't recall any details apart from I knew I didn't want to deal with the project involved in reconstruction!

Also while I was getting my furnace repaired I got to see what Wolfie (97 EVC) looks like with the plastic panel removed because you have to do that in order to access it. It was a bit of a jolt to see that since I sleep head-to-the-rear the cast iron burner box is just inches away. I suppose it could be considered a good thing because that way if something catches fire I'll notice right away... ;-)

Jim & Wolfie resting at home after three weeks on the road.

jaychee wrote:

I have owed 4 volks campers. in the previous I removed the closet area leaving only the stove, sink, refrigerator component to enable a wider bed. in this model I am afraid to do so because of what I might disturb and because I will have to cut metal and wood to do so. has anyone already tried this? I want to keep the external shower hose of course.


Re: Dash temperature gauge

dave_king_ev
 

Something is wrong with Dave's summary. A 4-wire sensor for the
after-run pump? Wny? All it needs is an on/off switch, which would
mean two-wire, not four.

Dave, are you looking at wiring diagrams or are you relying on catalog
descriptions of the devices?




--- In ev_update@..., "davebo1896" <davebo1896@...> wrote:


And the new green d-shaped (oval) sensor did the trick.

The dash gauge is now working.

Another note, I think the AC was not working while this sensor was
malfunctioning. It seems to be working now. I'm not sure if this is
related.

So to sum up ...

There are two sensors under the engine in the thermostat housing.
You'll have to drop the belly pan to get to these, they are on the
driver's side.

The 4-pin d-shaped (oval) is for the dash gauge and the fuel
injection. The new sensor is green, the original one was black. the
black ones are a known problem.

The 4-pin square sensor next to the d-shaped sensor is for the fans.

There is a 4-pin blue sensor in a hose near the top of the block that
is for the after-run pumps.

Each sensor is held in with a c-clip. Each sensor has a rubber o-ring.

It is possible to swap out the sensors without draining the coolant
system, but you need to be quick with the lower ones (make sure the
coolant is cold, safety goggles and a closed mouth are advised)

The o-ring does not always come out when you pull the sensor. Make
sure it is accounted for before replacing the c-clip. Also be sure
the sensor is under the c-clip not over it, or it will pop out and
drain all your coolant.

Sensors and o-rings are available from Steve at


Thanks All !!

Dave

--- In ev_update@..., Steve Schock <europarts@> wrote:

Dave is correct with regard to the green oval plug sensor. The
function
was mislabeled on the webstore.
I have since corrected the dual function switch to read.....For fuel
injection and temperature gauge.
The square plug sensor is the sensor that controls the two cooling
fans.

Steve Schock
EUROPARTS-San Diego

The Eurovan, Rialta & Sprinter parts source
Website: europarts-sd.com
Phone: 858-451-0020

Secure online ordering at:





dave_king_ev wrote:

--- In ev_update@...
<mailto:ev_update%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Carl Henderson" <chendermi@> wrote:

On your 2002, the D-shaped 4-pin sensor is used to signal the ECU
(engine control) and the temperature gauge on the dash.
There was a discussion about this on vortex recently.

Note that the europarts catalog says the new green sensor is for
"fuel
injection and cooling fans" but that's wrong.

Carl is right: the new sensor is for the fuel injection and the
GAUGE, not the fans as europarts states.


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