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Re: New owner; extended warranty question
Chris Noeske
In fifteen years of driving, used cars I've looked at the "risk to reward
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ratio" of having collision and comprehensive, and never had it. Only once would the insurance company had to pay. I paid for the repair out of pocket and am still ahead. But I will NEVER delete the comprehensive on the van, because of the risk of an engine fire. That coverage on that vehicle is well worth it, and a bargain too! -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Bragg [mailto:cgbragg@...] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 8:48 AM To: ev_update@... Subject: [ev_update] Re: New owner; extended warranty question At 06:19 AM 11/05/1999 -0600, Daniel wrote: Any extended warranty is just a rip off. You shouldthem they would never offer it to you.This is a bit unfair. *Any* insurance policy could be characterized the same way. However, the real question is what the risk-reward ratio is for *you*. If you can afford $1150, but a $5,000 bill would be a serious problem, then maybe you should buy the warranty. If you did this 1000 times, would you "lose" money? Probably. Obviously the *insurance* company is not going to set rates so low that *they* lose. However, the spread is not huge - insurance companies make their profit by investing the premiums until they have to pay off. Direct profit from premium vs. payout is trivial. So the deal is that *if* you could set aside the $1150, and invest is as well as a professional investor with much more money could, then you could cash your investment in when the tranny fails and have a little left over (vast oversimplification). If you're a real tiger, you might know more about your van, and whether your particular transmission (or any other component) is likely to fail. The insurance company is probably looking at *all* VW Vans as a group. If you're at high risk, go for it. -- Chuck (still doing research on *which* ext warr to get) '99 EVC ======== Chuck Bragg, Santa Monica Bay Audubon cgbragg@... fax: 209-671-6396 ======== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- 20 megs of disk space in your eGroup's Document Vault -- |
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Re: New owner; extended warranty question
Severin D. Chayka
Ronald, I guess you will agree if they would not make some $$ on this they
would not do it. Of course this is an avarege, ten people will buy it and never use and one or two would find it worth the money. That was my point. And as soon as it's impossible to predict what will happen to your van I also look at this avarege. I had '91 Vanagon for 7 years and now '97 Eurovan and never been sorry I do not have it. Just my opinion. At 11:28 AM 11/5/99 EST, you wrote: In a message dated 11/05/99 4:19:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,of risk. Pay the premium and someone else pays the bill if the policyprovides the coverage. I have purchased these on other vehicles as well as our EV.I have been the recipient of using these in the past and have been happy Ihave had them.Severin Daniel Chayka @ PCI Energy Services. |
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Re: New owner; extended warranty question
Vance, Beaumont W.
Very well put, Charles. you sound like a true insurance professional.
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Insurance carriers rely on the law of large numbers. total premium plus interest must exceed total losses. for any individual, the insurance payments may or may not exceed the premium, but individual cases are not important. I think that part of the reason the warrantee policies have become popular is because of the very soft insurance market. Most carriers have been decreasing premiums for the past 4 years. As a result, their cash flow is way down. To recover, they have been inventing all kinds of new coverages and have been expanding. I do not know it for a fact, but I would guess that the number of carriers for the warrantee coverage has increased in the past 4 years. The problem that I have heard with the warrantee policies is that they are often written so they don't cover anything. I would read the policy carefully. -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Bragg [mailto:cgbragg@...] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 9:48 AM To: ev_update@... Subject: [ev_update] Re: New owner; extended warranty question At 06:19 AM 11/05/1999 -0600, Daniel wrote: Any extended warranty is just a rip off. You shouldthem they would never offer it to you.This is a bit unfair. *Any* insurance policy could be characterized the same way. However, the real question is what the risk-reward ratio is for *you*. If you can afford $1150, but a $5,000 bill would be a serious problem, then maybe you should buy the warranty. If you did this 1000 times, would you "lose" money? Probably. Obviously the *insurance* company is not going to set rates so low that *they* lose. However, the spread is not huge - insurance companies make their profit by investing the premiums until they have to pay off. Direct profit from premium vs. payout is trivial. So the deal is that *if* you could set aside the $1150, and invest is as well as a professional investor with much more money could, then you could cash your investment in when the tranny fails and have a little left over (vast oversimplification). If you're a real tiger, you might know more about your van, and whether your particular transmission (or any other component) is likely to fail. The insurance company is probably looking at *all* VW Vans as a group. If you're at high risk, go for it. -- Chuck (still doing research on *which* ext warr to get) '99 EVC ======== Chuck Bragg, Santa Monica Bay Audubon cgbragg@... fax: 209-671-6396 ======== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- 20 megs of disk space in your eGroup's Document Vault -- |
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Buyer beware
Chris Noeske
I recently saw a 20/20 series about SEARS selling used batteries, as new.? I
always bought my batteries there, and recently went to replace the battery in our 91 Alfa Spider.? I thought that what 20/20 was reporting was an isolated incident, WRONG.? I bought the battery, as a carry out, and when I was installing it I noticed marks on the battery posts.? The kind that battery cables would leave.?? I went back into the store and looked at the place where they keep the rest of there "new" batteries.? There were traces of white acid, on several other batteries.? Along with a spec of blue blistered paint on one.? The white acid is what you see on your old battery cables, not new batteries.?? I confronted the manager about this and told him that I wanted my money back.? I got my money back, but few words were spoken.? He would not give me a customer service number to call, or his full name.? He was kind enough to give me a business card that had a name on it which did not match the name on the uniform he was wearing.? So if your Die Hard dies shortly after the warranty expires it might be cause it was used. ? Chris Noeske [mailto: chrisn@...] Project Engineer Electroimpact, Inc. 4606 107th St SW,? Mukilteo, WA? 98275-4706 |
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Re: EV5 timing belt
Chris Noeske
What is the phone number of the place that sells the tools? And how much
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were each of them. -----Original Message-----
From: gbnvic@... [mailto:gbnvic@...] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 5:46 AM To: ev_update@... Subject: [ev_update] Re: EV5 timing belt I just replaced my timing belt on my 93ev myself-not a fun job (although faster once you've done it once) at 88kmiles. The serpentine belt showed very significant cracking; the timing belt showed no appreciable wear. I foolishly cranked the engine by hand while the cam was at top dead center-a sure prescription for disaster if there was an interference problem. Nothing bad happened. However, the EV uses hydraulic valve lifters, and since there was no oil pressure, the valves probably provided little "resistance", and thus were not damaged. While under acceleration with high pressure on the adjuster, interference probably can happen and cause damage. btw, I bought the 2 VW tools from Zelenda: the vibration damper holder and the serpentine tensioner pulley tool. The ~$140 investment was very well worth it, as I used both tools many times during the job. I can't imagine trying to do it with out them. I replaced the water pump at the same time, as it was going bad (faint grinding noise while running). That is the worst part of the job, as it requires removal or bending up of the back timing belt cover. I bent the cover, and in bending it back, it now rubbed the camshaft pulley. I had to wire it with aircraft safety wire to prevent the rubbing. I was unable to remove the camshaft pulley (the correct way to do the job) to get the plate out, even with a top of the line snap-on puller. Given the complexity of the job, I would either recommend either DIY if you're mechanically competent, or take it to a VW dealer with real EV experience. Even with the right tools, it is a long job, and I'm sure the labor, expecially for the water pump, is expensive. ltves-@... wrote: original article: Such as 5 exhaust valves and one intake valve in my case. $2200, thank youvery much. Definitely worth replacing it at the specified interval, as Inow have learned.>>owner's manual except to "check the condition of the belt" at something like60,000 miles. I asked the FLVWD about replacing the timing belt at 70,000miles and they said to not worry about it. They said it will go for more than100,000 miles, and if it does break, nothing will be damaged. I've hadtiming belts in other VWs break and nothing happen, but they were not EVs whichare a different bird altogether. . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- eGroup Home: -- Free email groups at eGroups.com |
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Re: New owner; extended warranty question
Charles Bragg
At 06:19 AM 11/05/1999 -0600, Daniel wrote:
Any extended warranty is just a rip off. You shouldThis is a bit unfair. *Any* insurance policy could be characterized the same way. However, the real question is what the risk-reward ratio is for *you*. If you can afford $1150, but a $5,000 bill would be a serious problem, then maybe you should buy the warranty. If you did this 1000 times, would you "lose" money? Probably. Obviously the *insurance* company is not going to set rates so low that *they* lose. However, the spread is not huge - insurance companies make their profit by investing the premiums until they have to pay off. Direct profit from premium vs. payout is trivial. So the deal is that *if* you could set aside the $1150, and invest is as well as a professional investor with much more money could, then you could cash your investment in when the tranny fails and have a little left over (vast oversimplification). If you're a real tiger, you might know more about your van, and whether your particular transmission (or any other component) is likely to fail. The insurance company is probably looking at *all* VW Vans as a group. If you're at high risk, go for it. -- Chuck (still doing research on *which* ext warr to get) '99 EVC ======== Chuck Bragg, Santa Monica Bay Audubon cgbragg@... fax: 209-671-6396 ======== |
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Re: EV5 timing belt
I just replaced my timing belt on my 93ev myself-not a fun job
(although faster once you've done it once) at 88kmiles. The serpentine belt showed very significant cracking; the timing belt showed no appreciable wear. I foolishly cranked the engine by hand while the cam was at top dead center-a sure prescription for disaster if there was an interference problem. Nothing bad happened. However, the EV uses hydraulic valve lifters, and since there was no oil pressure, the valves probably provided little "resistance", and thus were not damaged. While under acceleration with high pressure on the adjuster, interference probably can happen and cause damage. btw, I bought the 2 VW tools from Zelenda: the vibration damper holder and the serpentine tensioner pulley tool. The ~$140 investment was very well worth it, as I used both tools many times during the job. I can't imagine trying to do it with out them. I replaced the water pump at the same time, as it was going bad (faint grinding noise while running). That is the worst part of the job, as it requires removal or bending up of the back timing belt cover. I bent the cover, and in bending it back, it now rubbed the camshaft pulley. I had to wire it with aircraft safety wire to prevent the rubbing. I was unable to remove the camshaft pulley (the correct way to do the job) to get the plate out, even with a top of the line snap-on puller. Given the complexity of the job, I would either recommend either DIY if you're mechanically competent, or take it to a VW dealer with real EV experience. Even with the right tools, it is a long job, and I'm sure the labor, expecially for the water pump, is expensive. ltves-@... wrote: original article: Such as 5 exhaust valves and one intake valve in my case. $2200, thank youvery much. Definitely worth replacing it at the specified interval, as Inow have learned.>>owner's manual except to "check the condition of the belt" at something like60,000 miles. I asked the FLVWD about replacing the timing belt at 70,000miles and they said to not worry about it. They said it will go for more than100,000 miles, and if it does break, nothing will be damaged. I've hadtiming belts in other VWs break and nothing happen, but they were not EVs whichare a different bird altogether. . . |
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Re: New owner; extended warranty question
Severin D. Chayka
At 03:02 PM 11/4/99 -0800, you wrote:
1. All this talk about auto. transmissions makes me think that I shouldI do not think so. Any extended warranty is just a rip off. You should understand that if it would not be the way to make additional money for them they would never offer it to you. 2. Is it common to have to try the starter twice after a 15 minute hotI had this happened just about every time with my '91 Vanagon, but never with '97 Eurovan I have now. 3. I know that everyone else has been driving their EVs for a long time My '97 Eurovan makes a lot less noise driving in any condition than Vanagon. Unfortunately I can not even think to get in those places I could with Vanagon, but no noise. Severin Daniel Chayka @ PCI Energy Services. |
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Re: Engine fire salvage
harry thompson <harryt1-@...> wrote:
original article: If you take the URL in the following message and change the 7 digitto an engine fire. Info says it is a Texas title, any body on the list.I saw the picture....it is interesting that the major damage (ie: headlight, turnsignal, etc.) seems to be on the driver's side. I'd bet that this was a fuel leak fire! Ric |
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Re: New owner; extended warranty question
In a message dated 11/05/99 4:19:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
chaykasd@... writes: << Any extended warranty is just a rip off. >> Extended warranties are just like your auto insurance, they are a transfer of risk. Pay the premium and someone else pays the bill if the policy provides the coverage. I have purchased these on other vehicles as well as our EV. I have been the recipient of using these in the past and have been happy I have had them. Rolland Brower 99 Weekender |
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Re: Temperature Gauge
Jack,
Thanks for the tech input. Its great to have the knoweldge base streched a bit. Can you let me know where in the archive I can get at your notes (or, can you email them to me - sanae@...) Thanks Jerry jack lowry <jack_lowr-@...> wrote: original article: Based on a review of the wiring diagram that I have for my van, andthe same time.the radiator thermal switch.reduce the fan speed.somewhere else and should underI have tested relays etc. I believe that if youhave not doubt as to when your fans run at high speed.sucking small children and pets up against the grill :-)making sure that they both operate properly at the low speedcontrols are in a position that would normally cause the AC to run.verify that both fuses, series resistors and the contacts on the low speedrelay are functional and operating properly.troubleshooting problems with cracked fuses, several bad series resistors and a badmedium speed relay.should be available in the archive. If you can't find it let me know and I'llsend it to anyone directly or resubmit it for archival purposes.keeping an ear on the fans and verifying that they run when they should (AC on,DEFROST on, Hot days etc) is nothing but a good thing.factory-----Original Message----- 2.4Lmanual indicates it should start to open at 189 F (176 for the VR6 possibilitydiesel and 2.5L 5cyl engines. However, there is always the ofof having a different thermostat. there isthe electric fans are coming on. The factory manual indicates sidea thermal switch located on the radiator, about halfway up on the swithopposite of the side with the upper radiator hose. This 2 stage stagecontrols when the fan(s) come on. (Does1 means only one fan is running. Stage 2 means both are running Itsanyone know for sure? - I have to check the next time my fan(s) kick 77mounted between the fans. When the coolant temperature drops below devicesF, it closes the shutters. The shutters are the plastic circle anbehind the electric fans. When you're above 77 F, the sensor moves airarm that opens the shutters so when the fans kick in, they can pass 2.5Lall the way through. This feature is only on the 2.4L diesel and tonight.- 5 cyl engines. It is not on the 2.8L VR6 engine. be? InHope its helped someone. InmyJetta it is right in the middle when the temperature is correct. thermometerthe EVit never went past the 1/4 mark. (Well, maybe the gas gauge workedand thetemp gauge did not?) Is that normal? Could it be that I have thewrongthermostat? causing abut Ihave no idea how to hook it into the cooling system without leak.Has anyone installed an after market temp gauge? |
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Re: New owner; extended warranty question
Gary Clendening
At 03:02 PM 11/04/1999 -0800, Marcus wrote:3. I know that everyone else has been driving their EVs for a long time Marcus, Ours is a '97 EVC and it remains quiet after 40000 miles. So quiet we're still pleased with its name...Flying Carpet. Never had noise from the front end but the REAR brakes, like many others of this groups', are noisy on start up. Yuck! Tire balance should show itself in tire wear...did the van come with new tires? Gary from Maine |
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Re: EV's galore on Copart.com ..... well 2 right now ?
Chris Noeske
Maybe we should every one interested in parts should get together and put a
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bid on it? -----Original Message-----
From: Team Degenerate [mailto:highrpm@...] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:12 AM To: ev_update@... Subject: [ev_update] EV's galore on Copart.com ..... well 2 right now ? Harry Thompson wrote: I've gotta get fire extinguisher - a small one oughtta mount on drivers left of seat base right?? still clearance for door to shut? That does appear to have NJ plates and it's another auto trans (77K) heading for salvage :-) I bet these salvaged EV's GO REAL CHEAP - even that weekender - Whatta you folks think? $2K tops - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! -- |
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Re: New owner; extended warranty question
Jack Lowry
Concerning the noise you may hear from the front end.
Before you go through the headache and expense of checking bearings etc, take a look at the tires on the front, have they been rotated off the back? Are they cupped? At one point in time I had a very badly cupped set of tires on tha back end of my 93 and a passenger sitting in the rear swore up and down that I had a bad bearing in the rear end. Replacing the tires corrected the "bad bearing" that this guy was willing to bet money on. I mention this as some combination of tires, EVs and driving habits seem to contribute to cupping the tires and creating noises that sound just like a bad bearing. 3. I know that everyone else has been driving their EVs for a long time and are now de-sensitized, but should the front end be as noisy as it is at highway speeds? Sounds almost like an unbalanced wheel or a shot bearing, compared to my quiet (but slow) Vanagon. |
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Re: New owner; extended warranty question
Eckhard Rolz
3. I know that everyone else has been driving their EVs for a long timeI would first check the tires. If they are not the Agilis or others with the proper weight rating you will get strange noises. I had General tires on mine and they got progressively louder as the ply was separating in all tires. Even with better tires I felt my EV was a bit noisy. I bought some insulation (like bubble wrap on aluminum foil) and fitted it under the carpet in the front ($12 + duct tape). It is much quieter and it keeps the engine heat out in the summer. With regards to the auto transmission. If you are one of the unlucky ones and need a new one it will cost you around $4000 at the dealership and about $3000 at an independent shop. I wish I had gotten the extended warranty and I would have saved some money. Eckhard |
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Re: New owner; extended warranty question
Charles Bragg
At 03:02 PM 11/04/1999 -0800, Marcus wrote:
3. I know that everyone else has been driving their EVs for a long timeMy new EVC is remarkably quiet up front, and the engine is quiet enough that one would think other noises would be obvious. Methinks you should investigate. -- Chuck 99 EVC ======== Chuck Bragg, Santa Monica Bay Audubon cgbragg@... fax: 209-671-6396 ======== |
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New owner; extended warranty question
Eurovaneers:
I recently bought a '95 EV GLS with 100 000 kilometres on it. Fine vehicle, but I have a couple of questions: 1. All this talk about auto. transmissions makes me think that I should jump on the extended warranty while I still can. Is it worth the $1150CAN if I plan to keep the van at least 5 years? 2. Is it common to have to try the starter twice after a 15 minute hot soak? This only happened every now and then in my '84 Vanagon, but I feel like it happens all the time with the Eurovan. 3. I know that everyone else has been driving their EVs for a long time and are now de-sensitized, but should the front end be as noisy as it is at highway speeds? Sounds almost like an unbalanced wheel or a shot bearing, compared to my quiet (but slow) Vanagon. Thanks in advance. I hope this gets through, as I had no success sending things from my e-mail server. Marcus Elia Peterborough, ON |
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Re: New owner; extended warranty question
In a message dated 11/4/99 6:04:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dela@... writes: I recently bought a '95 EV GLS with 100 000 kilometres on it. FineReply: I have the manual transmission on a 93 Weekender and thus can't give an objective evaluation. However, if the warranty is for five years at that price, I would seriously consider it. Reply: I am uncertain what a 'hot soak' is but mine starts up first time, every time, hot or cold engine. Reply: I would suspect tires first. What do you have on your wheels and how many miles do they have? Does the sound change after rotating the tires back to front? Michelin Agilis 51s are the tires of choice for the EV. Bob Williams |
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EV's galore on Copart.com ..... well 2 right now ?
Team Degenerate
Harry Thompson wrote:
I've gotta get fire extinguisher - a small one oughtta mount on drivers left of seat base right?? still clearance for door to shut? That does appear to have NJ plates and it's another auto trans (77K) heading for salvage :-) I bet these salvaged EV's GO REAL CHEAP - even that weekender - Whatta you folks think? $2K tops - Bill |
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