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Re: evc ATF job time

Michael G. McCarthy
 

Well, looks like it's 100 pages, not 80:

Table of Contents

Model line page 1
Technical data page 3
Engine cooling page 5
Digifant page 9
Manual trans page 25
auto trans page 26
shift lock page 27
front suspension page 31
power steering page 33
rear suspension page 35
brake system page 37
anti-lock brakes page 39
body page 61
heating and ventilation page 67
rear heater wo AC page 69
rear heat w/AC page 71
air recirculation page 73
aux heater (Canada) page 74
Air Conditioning page 81
R134a overview page 81
overview page 83
rear AC page 86
central electric page 93
component location page 95
vehicle lift points page 97
special tools page 98
nomenclature page 102


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From: Chris Noeske <CHRISN@...>
To: "'ev_update@...'" <ev_update@...>
Subject: [ev_update] Re: evc ATF job time
Date: Fri, Feb 4, 2000, 4:20 PM
What subjects are covered?


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael G. McCarthy [mailto:mgmccarthy@...]
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:40 PM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: evc ATF job time


Folks, I have an 80-page "training" manual on the EV, by VW, that's a
self-paced course for the technician. It's written in plain language (eg,
"Want to replace the thing-a-ma-job? Here's what you do: ...... ), it has
GREAT drawings, and it has pertinent parts of the wiring diagram when
necessary. It doesn't cover everything, but it covers a lot. I'd be
willing to make copies for people, and cover my costs. Email me if
interested.

Mike McCarthy

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From: "Paul Rousseau" <prousseau@...>
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: evc ATF job time
Date: Fri, Feb 4, 2000, 1:02 PM
Once again, appreciate any comments on this.
BTW, is there a more descriptive manual than the Bentley?
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Re: Bought van due to this site!

Leif
 

Tell us about it, what did you get.

Leif
'93 EV MV

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From: Hilary Veen [mailto:hveen@...]
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 1:20 PM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Bought van due to this site!


I just wanted to thank whoever mentioned the Eurovan that was hanging
out in Truro, N.S. waiting for an owner. My husband and I motored down
there from Fredericton, and bought it! From what we can see, it's in
great condition and we're pretty excited to start testing it out with
our 9 month old twin girls. So you'll probably be hearing from us as
neophyte owners with need of advice.

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Re: evc ATF job time

Michael G. McCarthy
 

Folks, I have an 80-page "training" manual on the EV, by VW, that's a
self-paced course for the technician. It's written in plain language (eg,
"Want to replace the thing-a-ma-job? Here's what you do: ...... ), it has
GREAT drawings, and it has pertinent parts of the wiring diagram when
necessary. It doesn't cover everything, but it covers a lot. I'd be
willing to make copies for people, and cover my costs. Email me if
interested.

Mike McCarthy

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From: "Paul Rousseau" <prousseau@...>
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: evc ATF job time
Date: Fri, Feb 4, 2000, 1:02 PM
Once again, appreciate any comments on this.
BTW, is there a more descriptive manual than the Bentley?


Re: evc ATF job time

Donald Gibbons
 

Torque converters always hold a good amount of ATF. The only way in or
out of a torque converter is thru the center hub. Even with the
converter out you can not just turn it over and dump out the ATF. Its
like a tire with water in it.

This is why the flushing method that connects to the cooler lines is a
good way to do this.


Bought van due to this site!

 

I just wanted to thank whoever mentioned the Eurovan that was hanging
out in Truro, N.S. waiting for an owner. My husband and I motored down
there from Fredericton, and bought it! From what we can see, it's in
great condition and we're pretty excited to start testing it out with
our 9 month old twin girls. So you'll probably be hearing from us as
neophyte owners with need of advice.

Hilary Veen


Re: evc ATF job time

 

While your offer is kind and generous you need to be sure you would not be in
violation of copywrite laws were you to provide copies of the Manuel to those
requesting it from you. If the Manuel has a copywrite you could find
yourself in a difficult and costly situation, despite your best intentions.


Re: Mobile One

 

I change every 4000 miles in winter and 5000 miles the rest of the year...


Re: evc ATF job time

Paul Rousseau
 

"donald gibbons" <gibbonsn-@...> wrote:
original article:
I would love to know how the guy in Vegas removed the fluid from the
torque converter, generally it is not possible to do this without
removing the converter from the car. There are other means like
connecting to the cooler lines that can do this too.
Looking into the very terse Bentley manual last night, they say
something about emptying the torque converter with a extractor tool
VAG????. I'm assuming that a simple hand pump ($5-10 at Auto store)
would probably work. I just wish the manual was a bit more descriptive
as to what I need to remove and how I hook up this "extractor". The
following pages talk about the converter oil seal change but is really
isn't clear you have to remove this to drain the converter with an
extractor. Once again, appreciate any comments on this.
BTW, is there a more descriptive manual than the Bentley? I prefer my
$10-15 Hanes or Chiltons manuals to these two, expensive, oversize
manuals, with very little explanations. Unfortunately, I'm sure they
don't make one for the low volume Eurovan.

Paul EVWK93


The Rest of the Story

 

Having used this forum report some unsatisfactory dealer service
experiences, and having said I'd report the good with the bad, here's
some good:

After a failed attempt to diagnose a peristent but relatively minor
ignition system problem in my 97 EVC, Ed Carroll Motor Company replaced
the ignition coil pack on a "goodwill" basis. Not qualified as a
powertrain or emissions component, the coil pack falls within the
2yr/24k mi. warranty. Mine failed at 30k miles. I was quoted $330 for
the part plus 1.5 hrs ($112.50) labor.

I gave the dealer a crack at this after my FLIM diagnosed the problem
as either the coil pack or fuel injection computer, both of which are
expensive parts, and neither of which should fail in 30k miles,
regardless of warranty coverage. My FLIM suggested that VW might cover
it. The dealer first diagnosed the problem as a failed plug wire,
showing obvious disdain for the aftermarket wires I used to replace the
OEM set that had failed at 30k mi as well (previously reported to the
list), possibly due to the problem with the coil pack. However, when
the problem worsened immediately after installing the new wire, the
dealer credited me for the wire and labor, looked deeper, and
apparently found the true cause. The part took only 2 days to arrive,
and was installed on the day it arrived. Time will tell, but a 50mi
"stress test" by me (hill climbs, acceleration to 90 mph -- sshh, don't
tell the State Patrol) showed no evidence of the problem (surging and
misfires under hard acceleration, but usually OK around town). The
dealer still warned me that he didn't think the AM wires would last,
but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. I can buy 2 sets of the
AM wires for the price of one OEM set.

Joel Funk
97 EVC
Fort Collins, CO


Re: Replacement speakers

Michael G. McCarthy
 

Humphrey,

I think you'll need the 1205s and not the 1204s. The 93 EV uses a 5" DIN
speaker, which as an actual exterior diameter of just under 5". The 1204
you and Andy came up with will be too small.

(I apologize for the confusion I've created when I mentioned the wrong part
number yesterday when discussing the discontinued model. In my defense, I
was reading the number off the actual box my speakers came in, and that box
had specs for BOTH the 4" and the 5", and I then posted the part number for
the 4" to this newsgroup. When I double-checked my receipt from
Crutchfield, and physically inspected the speakers, I realized that the
actual speaker is the 5" DIN.)

In any case, I'd double check with Andy and ask him to look at the true
physical dimensions before you buy anything. Also, unlike the discontinued
model which required no modifications, it appears the 1205s will at least
need to have their 4 mounting tabs trimmed off before you can snap them into
the EVs factory mounts. With the discontinued models that I have, I was
able to transfer the four spring steel clips from the OEM speakers to the
Rockford -- which fit perfectly -- and then just snap each speaker in.

With the 1205s, and after you've trimmed the 4 tabs away, it's not clear you
will be able to use the OEM spring clips. If you can, great -- then you
will not have to fabricate anything. If not, ie if the spring steel clips
won't work, then you will have to fabricate some sort of buzz-free mounting
system yourself.

Mike



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From: "Humphrey J. (H.J.) Moynihan" <HJMOYNI@...>
To: <ev_update@...>
Subject: [ev_update] Replacement speakers
Date: Fri, Feb 4, 2000, 10:12 AM
It appears that the correct euro-spec 2-ways to replace the cheap paper
cone speakers VW uses in the doors and rear side panels without
any drilling or fabrication are not available. Are these similar?

From Andy at Crutchfield Sales (orders@...):
The bad new is the RFP-1404D speakers are discontinued and no longer
available... the replacement for those speakers is the Rockford Fosgate
FRC-1204 speakers. They are $79.95 a pair and the mounting specs are very
similar. The mounting depth for the new speakers is 1.913" and the mounting
height is .170". You'll find more information about these speakers on our
web site at:



Humphrey

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Replacement speakers

 

It appears that the correct euro-spec 2-ways to replace the cheap paper cone speakers VW uses in the doors and rear side panels without
any drilling or fabrication are not available. Are these similar?

From Andy at Crutchfield Sales (orders@...):
The bad new is the RFP-1404D speakers are discontinued and no longer available... the replacement for those speakers is the Rockford Fosgate FRC-1204 speakers. They are $79.95 a pair and the mounting specs are very similar. The mounting depth for the new speakers is 1.913" and the mounting height is .170". You'll find more information about these speakers on our web site at:



Humphrey


Re: 95 eurovan camper furnace problems

Steven Balsley
 

Steve,

I am thinking of making the same furnace mods on my 99 evc. A very
useful website to check out is: www.consolidatedsystems.com/eurovan/Pag
es/heater.html. A very talented "ex" evc owner contributed this and
lots of other suggestions, trip logs, etc. on his website. I just
checked the site and it is still active (Thanks, Dave!). Anyway, he
photo documents the disassembly and internal components of the furnace
from a 99 evc. This, together with Scott's explanation should make the
modification straightforward.

Steve Balsley
99 evc


Re: evc ATF job time

Donald Gibbons
 

I would love to know how the guy in Vegas removed the fluid from the
torque converter, generally it is not possible to do this without
removing the converter from the car. There are other means like
connecting to the cooler lines that can do this too.

If you can only remove about 2/3's of the fluid this is not all bad:
1. Most of the "crud" will be removed with the 2/3's of the fluid
hopefully it will be at the bottom of the pan.

2. If the pan is removed you can have a look and see any stuff in the
bottom of the pan and remove this too. VR6 transmissions (5 cyl too?)
even have a small magnet that will catch ferris metal so you can clean
it at this time.

3. If the filter is changed at this time that helps too.

The important thing is that the condition of the fluid is checked and
that you look for any signs, like metal chunks and shavings in the pan,
that say that "bad" things are happening.


Re: 95 eurovan camper furnace problems

Scott Douglas
 

Has anybody else performed this modification on there furnace? I did it last
weekend and it really increases your furnace out put. I did it a little
different, I cut a hole in the furnace face plate, attached a 4" flexible
duct and routed it to the junction box where the other duct goes to to split
in to two ducts. This way you are getting all the hot air in to the living
area of the EVC.
Scott Douglas
95 EVC "Rex"

-----Original Message-----
From: jroberts@... <jroberts@...>
To: ev_update@... <ev_update@...>
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 1:11 PM
Subject: [ev_update] 95 eurovan camper furnace problems


Like others, I've had problems with intermittant functioning of the
furnace. After struggling with it, buying a new battery etc. I believe
I have discovered that the problem is that Winnebago didn't install the
furnace according to specs. The manual says that a minimum of 25 sq.
inches of output ducting must be maintained throughout. Winnebago only
used one of the two output vents on the furnace, thus limiting the
output to about 13 sq. in. This single duct goes to a box which splits
it to the two ducts visible next to the back seat. This restricted air
flow causes the "sail switch" to prevent the furnace from lighting most
of the time. I replaced the cover of the furnace with a makeshift one
with another duct which vents into the rear storage area through a hole
I cut in the storage area wall. The furnace has work very reliably ever
since, even with a partially discharged coach battery and at 10000 ft.
altitude.

I plan to cantact Winnebago and urge others to also...


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Re: Looking for Eurovan, New England

 

In a message dated 01/28/2000 2:57:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Fieldfpr@... writes:

We cannot find a vw dealer that says the eurovan can be found in the US.
Can
someone tell us if these can be found in New England (Connecticut)?
Volkswagen of Oneonta, Rt. 23, Oneonta, NY (800-351-8166) has EV's and EVC's.
They had four or five '99 EVC's in stock the last time I was there in June.
They told me they always have at least one EVC in stock. Oneonta is around
100 miles from the Connecticut border. I am told (by the dealer) that owners
from Long Island frequent this location in favor or anything available in the
NYC area.

Bill Armstrong, EVC Speculator
Endwell, NY
'71 Econoline (home brew camper)
'93 Tracer Wagon


Finally - Members from Upstate NY!

 

In a message dated 01/26/2000 8:25:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Sukitoby@... writes:

DEAR EV GROUP - FIRST POSTING FROM STEVE - HELLO FROM A NEW
MEMBER IN ROCHESTER, NY!!!
Steve -

Welcome to EV_Update! Also welcome to Chris from Syracuse and a belated
welcome to Greg Maxwell, who I just realized is out there somewhere(?)
supporting his Cortland (NY) High School Class of 1979. I have been
gathering EV information from this group for about 18 months and have felt
like an orphan because of the over 500 list contributors, I was the only one
from Upstate NY. Oh, sure, Beaumont from Colorado tried to make me feel
better talking about his family in Elmira and Corning and escapades in
Watkins Glen, NY, and other members have race cars or collectors cars they
take to Watkins, but it's just not the same as having current neighbors.

Bill Armstrong, EVC Speculator
Endwell, NY (near Binghamton)
'71 Econoline (home brew camper)
'93 Tracer Wagon


Re: 95 eurovan camper furnace problems

Steven P. Kammerer
 

Scott, could you draw a picture or describe for a dummy what and where
the furnace face plate is. I have been thinking of the message you
quoted for a long time but wondered how to implement it.
stevek
97 evc

Scott Douglas wrote:


Has anybody else performed this modification on there furnace? I did it last
weekend and it really increases your furnace out put. I did it a little
different, I cut a hole in the furnace face plate, attached a 4" flexible
duct and routed it to the junction box where the other duct goes to to split
in to two ducts. This way you are getting all the hot air in to the living
area of the EVC.
Scott Douglas
95 EVC "Rex"
-----Original Message-----
From: jroberts@... <jroberts@...>
To: ev_update@... <ev_update@...>
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 1:11 PM
Subject: [ev_update] 95 eurovan camper furnace problems

Like others, I've had problems with intermittant functioning of the
furnace. After struggling with it, buying a new battery etc. I believe
I have discovered that the problem is that Winnebago didn't install the
furnace according to specs. The manual says that a minimum of 25 sq.
inches of output ducting must be maintained throughout. Winnebago only
used one of the two output vents on the furnace, thus limiting the
output to about 13 sq. in. This single duct goes to a box which splits
it to the two ducts visible next to the back seat. This restricted air
flow causes the "sail switch" to prevent the furnace from lighting most
of the time. I replaced the cover of the furnace with a makeshift one
with another duct which vents into the rear storage area through a hole
I cut in the storage area wall. The furnace has work very reliably ever
since, even with a partially discharged coach battery and at 10000 ft.
altitude.

I plan to cantact Winnebago and urge others to also...


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Re: dealer in Albuquerque/help

ROBERT N BANWART
 

I would second the recommendation for Foreign Aide (correct spelling) as the
best independent shop for the EV. They are technically competent, stand
behind their work, and are less expensive. If the job is relatively simple,
but still more than you want to do for yourself, General Parts is even less
expensive. They just don't have quite the equipment or expertise of Foreign
Aide. General Parts' phone number is 505-266-5896. That's based on our
experience with VW vans since '86. We only go to University VW for work
that only the dealer can do (like the notorious A/C problem), and for oil
changes...they regularly mail out coupons for $21.95 oil changes. Rob

----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Balsley <sdbalsl@...>
To: <ev_update@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 12:32 PM
Subject: [ev_update] Re:dealer in Albuquerque/help


Gary-

Having a newer camper, we are more or less forced to use the dealer for
most of our service. However, other EV owners claim that Foreign Aid
is better and less expensive than the dealer. Their number is
505-255-9417. I've also heard good things about the service at Jim's
Automotive (505-256-1531), although they may be pricey.

Thanks for the tip on service in Maine. We would love to get up there
for an extended vacation sometime. My wife and I have both spent some
time in Maine, but never together. We hope to share the experience in
the near future.

Next time you wander through New Mexico please feel free to contact us.
We'd love to chat with fellow wanderers and exchange travel gems!

Steve Balsley
505-254-0782


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Re: evc ATF job time

Paul Rousseau
 

So from this story, it sounds like it might be possible to drain the
torque converter, albeit at high cost (^;. Any clues on this? So far,
considering the price of Dextron II, I still think my easiest option is:
Drain/fill/shift & repeat 2-3 times. It's easy but not perfect and
enviromentally, I hate the idea.

Paul EVWk 93

"gary clendening" <gary-@...> wrote:
original article:
When parts arrived the mechanic, with book in hand went about the
job.
Completely drained all fluid from tranny...including the converter.
As time
went by I would wander in and check on what was happening. Each
event was
tallied in my brain and I wandered off to view Las Vegas by foot. It
took
six hours for the completed job...filters, gaskets,
fluids...everything. He
said as I offered my VISA card, "Next one will not be so long. Five
hundred
dollars, please!" Like I said the cost was terrible but I know the
same
thing is less than $300 here at home. Do it locally if you can.
Tranny works fine, tho. No knocks, no thumps, no slips.

Gary (the clipped) from Maine


Re: CD Changer -Reply

Scott Bramwell
 

Thanks, Mike - I'll check it out!

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael G. McCarthy [mailto:mgmccarthy@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 6:14 PM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: CD Changer -Reply


Scott,

I have the same small openings you are talking about in my 93 EV. If you
pop off the grills front or rear (and yes, you're right, they are the same
size) and measure the diameter from edge-of-the-frame to edge-of-the-frame,
you should come up with 4 25/32", which is what is commonly called a 5" DIN
speaker or, misleadingly, a 5 1/4" speaker. Check it out with a ruler and
see.

The thing is, many so-called 5 1/4" speakers have a lot of frame, and the
cones themselves might not be all that big. DIN speakers typically fill the
frame with cone, so even a nominally smaller speaker in a DIN specification
might in fact have a cone as large as a typical 5 1/4".


Mike


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From: "Scott Bramwell" <stbramwell@...>
To: <ev_update@...>
Subject: [ev_update] Re: CD Changer -Reply
Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2000, 7:55 PM
Thank You! A much better explanation than I could offer!

My point was simply that the stock speakers were full-range with the
component configuration up front. There are some manufacturers who make
good
component sets as well as separates - this is an alternative to a 2-way
solution if needed.

Also, My '93 EV does not have openings for 5.25 speakers - they are sized
for smaller 4 or 4.25" cones. These appear to be the same size as the rear
speakers. Many owners have written about the 5.25 speakers and I wonder if
there were larger openings cut from the original factory openings to
accomodate the larger speakers.

Thanks again for the clarification...


Scott Bramwell



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael G. McCarthy [mailto:mgmccarthy@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 5:36 PM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: CD Changer -Reply




These are NOT 2-way speakers! They only receive lower frquencies - so if
you
replace them with 2-way speakers, the tweeter portion of the new speakers
receives nothing.

Crossovers attenuate from a prescribed frequency at a prescribed slope,
6dB
or 12dB per octive is typical. The result is that "less" watts are
delivered, but something is still delivered. It's just not correct to say
the tweeter in a two-way speaker in the front door receives than "nothing"
just because it's downstream from the crossover.

Besides, there's no practical difference between a good 2-way with its
tweeter disabled and a good 2-way alone. In either case, you end up with
a
good 5 1/4" poly cone doing most or all of the work in the door.

You aren't going to get great performance out of small 5 1/4" cones in the
large interior volume of an EV in any case (unless you used maybe 2 dozen
of
them and 1000 watts of amplifier) so finding a poly DIN speaker that can
fit
the stock location and handle more power than the paper OEM speaker should
be the objective. If you end up with an under-utilized tweeter in the
door
as a result, no bid deal. It doesn't hurt a thing.

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