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--- On Fri, 6/20/08, jack_son_73 <jackr1@...> wrote:
From: jack_son_73 <jackr1@...>
Subject: [ev_update] Re: Refueling with Frig Lit was(EVC Electrical Problem)
To: ev_update@...
Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 2:12 PM











Larry -



Most fuel pumps I've used in the past few years

have the vapor recovery system. They even draw

gas gurgling back underground if you try to over-

fill, of course. However, it was not until I was

following this list for a few years that I

realized I was possibly damaging my vehicles by

topping off the tank. While trying to FILL my

tank for accurate measurements, or max miles

before next fill-up, I sometimes overflowed gas

on my feet, ground, car... Yeah, not smart, and

sometimes our first big mistake is our last. I

may have pulled the nozzle out too far - as some

tank necks will not take high pressure fuel pumps

w/o resetting. The vapor would only need to travel

1 foot - but if I can smell it from two feet

away, the Norcold might ignite it.



I would not use propane devices while driving,

& especially while near others who are refueling

next to me. None of the pump jockeys went to

"refueling school" - & I obviously skipped that

part of my education.



Some tunnels have signs prohibiting propane tanks,

even if turned off. You are supposed to stop for

inspection, or be directed to an alternate route.

They mostly look for large reefer trucks, but it

also applies to the small "BBQ" LP tanks.



With my extra deep-cycle house battery, there is

no trouble keeping up with the [15A?] Norcold -

as inefficient as it is. I'd disable my DDL if 15A

was that critical. I run 20 to 85A with my Ham Rig

on. Winnie must have a brother-in-law or other

connection at Norcold, to have helped them unload

so many poorly designed refrigerators.



My main reason for never using ANY propane EVER,

is the difficulty, inconvenience, & expense of

refilling. After reading about the soot problems

with Norcold & furnace, + lighting & relighting,

cleaning - I am very happy. I'd take both

appliances out, & leave them out, if it wasn't

such a difficult task. My chest Norcold would

fit in place of the original unit, & I'd have a

choice of freezer or cooler, a fully adjustable

thermostat, and only 1/3 the current. + I could

leave it out when not needed.



My LARGE chest-style Norcold portable cooler-

freezer only draws 4-5A on 12V [I've never

measured AC amps], and it naturally runs a lot

less if set above -32F. It's hard to believe it

has a compressor, yet draws the same current as

my DC 6-pack or large Koolatron - both solid

state coolers, @ ~4.5A. I must use an external

power supply to run the solid state units on

117V AC, but the compressor unit just plugs

into 115V AC,



Regards,



Jack_son

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--In ev_update@yahoogrou ps.com, Larry Schellhase <schellhase@ .> wrote:

Forest do you do this in areas that do not have vapor recovery

systems on the gas pumps? I feel relatively safe refueling with the

Norcold running on propane when the gas pump has a vapor recovery

system, but when the pumps do not have vapor recovery I turn the

fridge off before filling.

* * * Warning - I am not stating this is a safe practice or

recommending that anyone else should do what I do. * * *

Larry

LA, CA

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