Nice work Frank. Very inspiring!
I like the way that design is such that there are no dovetail cutters needed.
Thanks for the great pictures.

Dan

On 3/25/2006 at 9:06 PM almus_kenter wrote:

I think the 1795.00 one in Rochester was a better deal with
change gears, tool holder 3 jaw + collet draw bar. plus
who knows what else.
Change gears alone are 280.00

Yes. But I blinked and it was gone. Well, saves me a day on the road ;-) Still I'll be happy with this one I'm quite sure.

Changing belts? What?

A typo. Meant gears of course ;-) Using levers

I'll probably get a 3PH motor for my 8x12 one of these days and hook it up to the same VFD with a switch box to throw power and controls to either machine. There it's a major deal because of the belt changes! (This is where the belts came in ;-)

I am not sure about getting stuff in Germany; I am sure
there is a very large used market there...lots
of emco lathes on Euro-Ebay. If you do find
a source please let me (us) know.

Will do some research. The net is far less utilized in Germany for commerce than in the US, it seems.

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Yes, I am an hour up the road from Nyack. Had my eyes on the other

one in Rochester also, but someone else decided first and got it with
a buy-it-now. It was also still driving distance for me...

I think the 1795.00 one in Rochester was a better deal with
change gears, tool holder 3 jaw + collet draw bar. plus
who knows what else.
Change gears alone are 280.00

My experience is that many of the machines look crappy
because they are dirty. I would actually be more wary of
a repainted one. I got my V10P for 640.00 , essentially
because it was dirty and the guy took one lousy photo.
It was local to me, I went and looked at it and had
a full set of L20 collets, steady-rest, 3 jaw, face-plate + ..
It cleaned up real nice.

I am not quite clear about the VFD. So you are not really using
the adj. speed? You're using it like a 2-speed and are just
changing belts? I was thinking of mounting a potentiometer in
addition. Did you consider that and discard the idea?

Changing belts? What?

I have the vfd hooked up to give me two speeds for the time being
plus if I need to I can slow it down/speed-it-up with the keypad.
I haven't completely figured out the VFD yet. They are
so programable it is amazing. I want to add the ability to
"jog" it. I am sure I can use the EMCO switch and a Pot
to control speed..but for the time being I am going
to leave it as is. If I need to do some critical
threading I can reprogram the VFD with a few key strokes
and drop the speeds.

I think the Bison is much nicer than the knock-offs.
In fact, I would opt for all Bison stuff as they have
amazing support; If I didn't have a 3 jaw
I would get a Bison...cause if you screw up the Emco
3 jaw even the jaws cost ~300.00!!

The Polish stuff is real nice and reasonably priced.
Brand new USA stuff, like new emco stuff is too $$


I am not sure about getting stuff in Germany; I am sure
there is a very large used market there...lots
of emco lathes on Euro-Ebay. If you do find
a source please let me (us) know.

On 3/25/2006 at 7:26 PM almus_kenter wrote:

Was that ebay machine the one that was re-painted?
It was somewhere in NY? I seem to remember it
was a bare-bones machine.

Yes, I am an hour up the road from Nyack. Had my eyes on the other one in Rochester also, but someone else decided first and got it with a buy-it-now. It was also still driving distance for me...

I am not sure the Aloris AXA will fit the S11
Especially if you think that you are going to use 1/2"
tools. I have a S11 and a V10P. The V10P has
an ALoris AXA on it, but I had to take off 0.140"
off the tool holders so as to accomodate 3/8 tools.
The 1/2" cut-off tool I did just part of so
I have to use it with the compound in one orientation.

Well, I guess I'll find out. I hope Blue Ridge was right ;-) The compound slide I am getting already has some corners chopped - who knows, maybe that lets the tool holders drop low enough. Would you happen to know the distance compound slide to center on the S11? Not sure how V10P and 11S compare..

The genuine Aloris tool holders are ++VERY++ hard.
I had a friend do them on a HAAS machining center
with coolant and carbide and it was painfully slow
and if here weren't such a great friend I would
owe him some new carbides. The Chinese aloris
clones cut like butter.

The price of the Chinese knock-offs is right... I have more things I'll need.

The other option was to to take some off the
cross slide. (I didn't like that idea).

For me that's definitely an option because the slide is already somewhat butchered. :-)

For the S11 you can still get lots of parts
including the cross-slide, so you can always
change back.

I wonder if there are sources in Europe to buy from? I have family in Germany and visit every year

I am now shopping for a 5c collet set-up. I think
I am going to get the bison set-tru 5c chuck.
After that hopefully most of the bleeding will be done.

Do you think (or know) the Bison is better than the one Lathemaster offers? I see NEB&T has a 5C chuck with D1-4 back-plate that would be ideal to mount on my S11... Naw, I got all those ER32 spring collets, I'll have to adapt those. Maybe make a chuck.

I am not quite clear about the VFD. So you are not really using the adj. speed? You're using it like a 2-speed and are just changing belts? I was thinking of mounting a potentiometer in addition. Did you consider that and discard the idea?

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Welcome to the club!

Was that ebay machine the one that was re-painted?
It was somewhere in NY? I seem to remember it
was a bare-bones machine.


I am not sure the Aloris AXA will fit the S11
Especially if you think that you are going to use 1/2"
tools. I have a S11 and a V10P. The V10P has
an ALoris AXA on it, but I had to take off 0.140"
off the tool holders so as to accomodate 3/8 tools.
The 1/2" cut-off tool I did just part of so
I have to use it with the compound in one orientation.


The genuine Aloris tool holders are ++VERY++ hard.
I had a friend do them on a HAAS machining center
with coolant and carbide and it was painfully slow
and if here weren't such a great friend I would
owe him some new carbides. The Chinese aloris
clones cut like butter.


The other option was to to take some off the
cross slide. (I didn't like that idea).

For the S11 you can still get lots of parts
including the cross-slide, so you can always
change back.


I have a KDK 0 series for my S11. and
will have to use 3/8 bits. Though I like
the Aloris style better. I think
New England Brass and Tool sells a tool holder
that looks like it would be great for these
machines. Toolmex-- From
the same folks that bring you Bison.

I have just hooked up my S11 with VFD. Look at
the VFD stuff in the photos/files from David;
it was very helpful to me (thanks again Dave).

If you do go the same route for VFD hookup, keep
in mind that your rotary switch may have different
jumpers on it than outlined in David's text; mine did.
So don't just follow the text blindly.

I have been bleeding money since I got my S11...
(VFD + KDK tool holder + collets = $$$)
plus I am putting a Shumatech DRO on it with glass
scales.


I am now shopping for a 5c collet set-up. I think
I am going to get the bison set-tru 5c chuck.
After that hopefully most of the bleeding will be done.

-Almus

What a thing of beauty! That looks like a major project!
Eric

--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "Frank Hasieber"
<fhasieber@...> wrote:

I have just added some pics of my homemade QC toolpost, it was

based on the

exploded view in the parts manual of the Emco one supplied as an

accessory

to the V13, this one is the one for my V10P, I have made another

bigger

version for my V13. The body is machined from 60 ton steel, the

holders are

made from key steel, no parts are hardened or heat treated, the

one on my

V13 has now been in use for almost 20 years, and is still as good

as the day

I made it. This is one of the best accessories one can add to a

lathe, I

made 8 toolholders for each of them. You can see photos of it in

my album

Franks bits and pieces.

<
d6c1>

They show it assembled and disassembled.
Frank.


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Your riser block looks good. I bet you're having fun with the

quick change

tooling. It
makes an incredible difference.

Dan






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No comparison considering the homemade toolholder that came with the
lathe! Seems to hold well; done a couple of jobs with it.
P.S. Just a note... On another group they mentioned that the bases on
some of the QCTPs are not flat (mine looked OK), but if you are
considering it is a worthwhile note. Their suggestion was to turn a
small relief in the center of the tool post. Eric

--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "Dan Falck" <ddfalck2002@...>
wrote:

Your riser block looks good. I bet you're having fun with the quick

change tooling. It

makes an incredible difference.

Dan

--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "Eric Wilson" <ericdwilson@>

wrote:

Well I broke down and purchased a Chinese AXA / 100 QCTP. Built a
riser block for it to mount to. Used a 9/16 UNF x 6" bolt (turned
into a stud) for mounting. There is a picture if anyone is
interested under Photos > "Distracted's V10P". Eric

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Hi Frank! Welcome :-)

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Your riser block looks good. I bet you're having fun with the quick change tooling. It
makes an incredible difference.

Dan

Hi to all, I have just joined the group and hope I can contribute to
it, I have a V10P and a Maximat V13 both are about 20 years old but
are as good as new, the V13 was bought new, the V10 second hand. I
work from home making jewellery and machining, apart from the 2 lathes
I have a Jones & Shipman surface grinder, a J & S tool and cutter
grinder and milling machine with ISO 40 spindle, plus most of the
other paraphanalia, welders, plasma cutter etc. I would also like to
welcome Richard Kleinhenz a member of one of the other groups I belong
to that is for wooden pens and penturning, some might like to take a
look at the group
Regards
Frank.

I authored some of the posts & can speak only for myself... I have
a V10P. Eric

--- In emcoV10lathe@..., Richard Kleinhenz <richk@...>
wrote:

I read all the posts about tool post problems. Wasn't clear

whether this was V10 or S11. I had asked Blue Ridge since they sell
an Aloris for the S11, and they told me it was an AXA size and it'd
fit. Sure hope it will, since I ordered one! BTW, Enco has a
piston-style PhaseII 100 on sale for $89, and free shipping with a
coupon. I got a wedge style from a different source for just a
little more.

General question: For other lathes, it seems to be fairly common

to lower the front of the compound slide a little to accommodate
tool posts. Is that considered a no-no?

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Let me know if you need some cash to offset the kinko's bill.

I just checked on the price for this service at my
local staples; cost = 6.99 +1.99/page.
OUCH!!
So much for that idea! So that is easy $200.00+ for
the manual.


I will see whether I can get someone at work to do it.

-Almus

--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "almus_kenter" <akenter@...> wrote:

a different electrical set up; no red E off switch
and I also have a long terminal block in mine
with many jumpers on it.

I used to have one of those. It's in a box with all the fuses and
starters and whatnot. A word of caution: One of the barrel switches
on mine require removal of the electrical panel to get to the screws
that liberate them from the box. Can't remember which one right now,
so maybe you'll get lucky and it will be the one you don't have. You
have the right plan for the vfd inputs though.

If you're going to put the lathe up against a wall, it would probably
be easier to have the vfd out in the open for the occaisonal time when
you want to override the preset speeds. My faceplate comes off and can
be mounted remotely, so I wasn't too worried about it.

I am going to try and drop off the manual at kinkos
today and see if they can scan it into a pdf...
if it isn't too expensive.

Let me know if you need some cash to offset the kinko's bill.

Also....

Dave,

I was impressed that you got your VFD in to the lathe
electrical enclosure. Mine won't fit. I also have
a different electrical set up; no red E off switch
and I also have a long terminal block in mine
with many jumpers on it.

I am going to try and drop off the manual at kinkos
today and see if they can scan it into a pdf...
if it isn't too expensive.

-A

--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "davedamouth" <ddamouth@...> wrote:

Almus-
The diagram is in the pics section, and the text file is in the files
section. The only factory wiring diagram I have is the little 4 inch
one glued to the inside of the electrical panel. Did you check to see
if yours is still there?

Dave

Thanks Dave,

Your diagram is very instructive. The EMCO wiring
diagram for the switch (B1) is crazy confusing.

I plan on hooking up tomorrow. It seems that most of the VFDs
are very similar. Common gets connected to:
fwd +sp1
fwd+ sp2


rev+sp1
rev+ sp2


If I have questions I will holler for you.


-Almus

Well I broke down and purchased a Chinese AXA / 100 QCTP. Built a
riser block for it to mount to. Used a 9/16 UNF x 6" bolt (turned
into a stud) for mounting. There is a picture if anyone is
interested under Photos > "Distracted's V10P". Eric

--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "Eric Wilson" <ericdwilson@...>
wrote:

I also considered installing a riser on the head and tails

stocks.

Anyone have thoughts on this? Does anyone know someone who did

this

already to their Emco. Eric

--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "Eric Wilson" <ericdwilson@>
wrote:

I like your idea of removing the compound slide for the QCTP.

That

makes things cleaner to install the QCTP.

Any recommendations on where to buy an AXA (100) QCTP in

Ontario,

Canada at a reasonable price?

--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "ddfalck2002"

<ddfalck2002@>

wrote:

I was just looking at this. It looks like the it would work,

if

we could do something about

the diameter of the handwheel on the compound. If you lower

the

compound much the

handwheel is going to touch the cross slide, unless you always

hang it over the edge, at 59

1/2 °.
I plan on doing something drastic to make mine work. Right

now,

I

have my Harding TCTP

sitting on a solid block of steel. I have to change over to

the

compound when doing

threading.

Dan


--- In emcoV10lathe@..., "Eric Wilson"

<ericdwilson@>

wrote:

I have a V10P. I was considering changing the base under

the

compound

slide to lower it down. I would very much like to change to

a

quick

change toolpost, but the AXA (100) series QCTP are too

high.

By

making the change, I think I could gain about 1/2" on the

height.

Anyone done this?
Eric