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Re: Recommendations for a windmill/charge controller?

 

Had an air-X on my boat.?

Let's get real! Even 15mph is uncomfortable at anchor.
Although the generator would out preformed my (at the time 45 watt panel) in a stiff wind, it was anchor watch time.? The rest of the time the panel out preformed.?

My preference is panels, and a good anchorages in windshadows.?

Under way the vortex created a wind speed that would help charge the bank.?

The best and simple answer for voltage control is a clamping controller. That is of course my opinion.?

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023, 9:58 AM Myles Twete <matwete@...> wrote:

Well said Cap’n.

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As example, an AIR-X or AiR403 is about a 3ft diam. windmill and rated for about 400watt peak (28mph windspeed).

Folks get excited about the power rating not realizing how the power drops quickly with wind speed.

At half the wind speed, a given windmill’s power output will drop by 78%!? So, even with 14mph wind speed, an AIRX or AIR403 can only be expected to deliver at most 50watts.? I can vouch for that as I have used an AIR403 on my boat and one time with a very strong (~12kts) following wind we were seeing about 50watts of power going into the battery pack.? There was an added benefit: With following winds, the drag on the windmill also helps propel the boat.

I have since not used the windmill on my boat as it was a pretty sketchy setup and I tend to be a fair weather boater and avoid windy conditions.

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-MT

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Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 8:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [electricboats] Recommendations for a windmill/charge controller?

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I've done a LOT of research on windmills as well and know plenty of people who have actually deployed them and let's just say I don't have a very high OPINION of them. Admittedly anecdotal evidence but everyone I know who has gotten them has not been happy, specifically the ones from Alibaba. Do the math, you're not going to get 3000W from a 3' diameter pinwheel. A 3000W windmill for $400 is Chinese lie.?

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Having said that I do believe the concept of windmills is sound and you might be able to find a high end unit that will meet your expectations but it won't be from Alibaba for a couple hundred bucks.?

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Capt. Carter

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On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 07:09:09 PM EST, Reuben Trane via <rjtrane@...> wrote:

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I did some research several years ago into wind turbines. I was looking for something to charge my 1,000AH/48v LFP battery. I did find plenty to choose from - most were too large to mount on your boat. I’ll review my research to see if I can find something applicable to your boat.?


There are also hybrid controllers that handle both the solar and wind. In addition, you may need a dump load. If you have an electric hot water heater you can find a 48v element so you don’t throw away the extra energy.?

I found a 3kW unit for $400 including shipping at AliExpress. There are many to chose from.?
Re: Recommendations for a windmill/charge controller?

 

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Well said Cap’n.

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As example, an AIR-X or AiR403 is about a 3ft diam. windmill and rated for about 400watt peak (28mph windspeed).

Folks get excited about the power rating not realizing how the power drops quickly with wind speed.

At half the wind speed, a given windmill’s power output will drop by 78%!? So, even with 14mph wind speed, an AIRX or AIR403 can only be expected to deliver at most 50watts.? I can vouch for that as I have used an AIR403 on my boat and one time with a very strong (~12kts) following wind we were seeing about 50watts of power going into the battery pack.? There was an added benefit: With following winds, the drag on the windmill also helps propel the boat.

I have since not used the windmill on my boat as it was a pretty sketchy setup and I tend to be a fair weather boater and avoid windy conditions.

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-MT

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of twowheelinguy via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 8:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [electricboats] Recommendations for a windmill/charge controller?

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I've done a LOT of research on windmills as well and know plenty of people who have actually deployed them and let's just say I don't have a very high OPINION of them. Admittedly anecdotal evidence but everyone I know who has gotten them has not been happy, specifically the ones from Alibaba. Do the math, you're not going to get 3000W from a 3' diameter pinwheel. A 3000W windmill for $400 is Chinese lie.?

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Having said that I do believe the concept of windmills is sound and you might be able to find a high end unit that will meet your expectations but it won't be from Alibaba for a couple hundred bucks.?

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Capt. Carter

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On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 07:09:09 PM EST, Reuben Trane via groups.io <rjtrane@...> wrote:

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I did some research several years ago into wind turbines. I was looking for something to charge my 1,000AH/48v LFP battery. I did find plenty to choose from - most were too large to mount on your boat. I’ll review my research to see if I can find something applicable to your boat.?


There are also hybrid controllers that handle both the solar and wind. In addition, you may need a dump load. If you have an electric hot water heater you can find a 48v element so you don’t throw away the extra energy.?

I found a 3kW unit for $400 including shipping at AliExpress. There are many to chose from.?
Re: Recommendations for a windmill/charge controller?

 

I've done a LOT of research on windmills as well and know plenty of people who have actually deployed them and let's just say I don't have a very high OPINION of them. Admittedly anecdotal evidence but everyone I know who has gotten them has not been happy, specifically the ones from Alibaba. Do the math, you're not going to get 3000W from a 3' diameter pinwheel. A 3000W windmill for $400 is Chinese lie.?

Having said that I do believe the concept of windmills is sound and you might be able to find a high end unit that will meet your expectations but it won't be from Alibaba for a couple hundred bucks.?

Capt. Carter
www.shipofimagination.com

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 07:09:09 PM EST, Reuben Trane via groups.io <rjtrane@...> wrote:


I did some research several years ago into wind turbines. I was looking for something to charge my 1,000AH/48v LFP battery. I did find plenty to choose from - most were too large to mount on your boat. I’ll review my research to see if I can find something applicable to your boat.?


There are also hybrid controllers that handle both the solar and wind. In addition, you may need a dump load. If you have an electric hot water heater you can find a 48v element so you don’t throw away the extra energy.?

I found a 3kW unit for $400 including shipping at AliExpress. There are many to chose from.?
Re: Recommendations for a windmill/charge controller?

Dena Hankins
 

Good morning!

I'm a big fan of wind power and have had Rutland on two different boats. As I'm planning my electric motor conversion, I did some research.

The one I'll be going with is the Rutland 1200 48v Terrain charger. Their tech support people say it's no different from their "marine" 1200 except for being 48v. Their charge controller looks a bit clunky but it does a great job. I do recommend the remote display if you site the controller somewhere that's not super easy to get to because you can shut the wind generator down manually with it.


Because you don't pay VAT, it can be cheaper to buy directly from them and have it shipped.

I'm not certain they sell a mount for the mizzen, but I'm sure you can find something that will work.

Best regards,
Dena Hankins
Re: Recommendations for a windmill/charge controller?

 

I did some research several years ago into wind turbines. I was looking for something to charge my 1,000AH/48v LFP battery. I did find plenty to choose from - most were too large to mount on your boat. I’ll review my research to see if I can find something applicable to your boat.?


There are also hybrid controllers that handle both the solar and wind. In addition, you may need a dump load. If you have an electric hot water heater you can find a 48v element so you don’t throw away the extra energy.?

I found a 3kW unit for $400 including shipping at AliExpress. There are many to chose from.?
Recommendations for a windmill/charge controller?

 

Hello!

I have a 30’ Rawson Ketch based in Bellingham, WA. Thunderstruck 10k and 800ah 48v traction with 800ah 12v house.

I’m interested in finding a good windmill for some assistance in charging while at anchor (can they be safely run while underway?)….

I have a victron 48v solar charge controller (but I struggle to find any good spot on this boat to locate panels). Can I use this to charge from a windmill? It seems like most systems are sold as a complete package and designed to charge 12v house banks. I’d like to charge the traction battery directly. I can charge my 48v from the 12v using the buck converter or the inverter and ac charger but it’s not very efficient.

Any recommendations about windmills?
Re: How we display data from Thunderstruck's Sevcon controller

 

See this article, it might help.

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On Feb 19, 2023, at 17:24, jesper.malmberg86@... wrote:

Hi Roland,

Did you guys ever get that software to work, translating CAN from SEVCON to OPEN CPN? Im trying to do the same via SIGNAL K.

Thanks!

Re: How we display data from Thunderstruck's Sevcon controller

 

Hi Roland,

Did you guys ever get that software to work, translating CAN from SEVCON to OPEN CPN? Im trying to do the same via SIGNAL K.

Thanks!
Re: Thunderstruck Curtis 1236 CANOpen to NMEA

 

Here's some others to consider,

$126.00

?And you can get a Saleae logic for $400 which is very versatile.?

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The pro 8 ?channel is pretty nice at $1k.

I own a 16.? It has saved me pain in doing SPI and I2C sensor development in the past.

You can also write custom code for the Saleae, I think, to adjust it to your needs.


I think the Saleae is a much better investment – their stuff works great.
Re: Thunderstruck Curtis 1236 CANOpen to NMEA

 

this might help


cor 1 22dd01 - Curtis Controller Temp
cor 2 22dd02 - Curtis Motor Temp
cor 3 22dd03 - Curtis Motor Speed
cor 4 22dd04 - Curtis Motor Current
cor 5 22dd06 (bit 7) - Curtis Forward 
cor 5 22dd06 (bit 6) - Curtis Reverse 
cor 6 22dd08 - Curtis Filtered Current (better response, averaged)
cor 8 22dd07 - Curtis Battery Current (slower response)
cor 9 22dd05 - Curtis Battery Voltage

CANapp> sh c
  canbr    : 500kbps
  tx rules :  per  EID/SID   data
         1 : 5000ms      0000  01 00
         2 : 50ms      0326  00
         3 : 50ms      0226  00
         4 : 100ms      0626  40 4d 32 00
         5 : 100ms      0626  40 9e 35 00
         6 : 100ms      0626  40 3c 39 00
         7 : 1000ms      0626  2f 49 31 00 00
  co rules : iSID  iIDX     oSID  PID data      (n)
         1 : 02a6  -------  07e8 dd01 b2 b3  0  0  0
         2 : 02a6  -------  07e8 dd02 b4 b5  0  0  0
         3 : 01a6  -------  07e8 dd03 b4 b5  0  0  0
         4 : 01a6  -------  07e8 dd04 b6 b7  0  0  0
         5 : 01a6  -------  07e8 dd06 b2   0  0  0
         6 : 05a6  393c 00  07e8 dd08 b4 b5  0  0  0
         8 : 05a6  359e 00  07e8 dd07 b4 b5  0  0  0
         9 : 05a6  324d 00  07e8 dd05 b4 b5  0  0  0
Re: Thunderstruck Curtis 1236 CANOpen to NMEA

 

I ran across this supplier who claims its products? an do some of the things you're looking to do.? I know nothing else about this vendor, and see that acquiring the necessary items would require a non-trivial expense.? But maybe you'd like to give them a look:

https://www.cancapture.com/cancapture
Re: Thunderstruck Curtis 1236 CANOpen to NMEA

 

?I have been able to tap in and record the CAN messages. If I can figure out how to translate these messages I'll be golden. ?Somewhere in there I hope to pull RPM, Amps and Voltage.

(1672706610.953646) ?can0 ?326 ? [1] ?00
?(1672706610.953961) ?can0 ?2A6 ? [8] ?04 00 83 00 5C 00 97 36
?(1672706610.954100) ?can0 ?226 ? [1] ?00
?(1672706610.958072) ?can0 ?1A6 ? [8] ?48 00 00 00 54 FE 53 00
?(1672706610.958413) ?can0 ?27B ? [8] ?4A 5F 02 00 00 00 00 00
?(1672706610.997889) ?can0 ?726 ? [1] ?05
?(1672706611.006077) ?can0 ?326 ? [1] ?00
?(1672706611.006397) ?can0 ?226 ? [1] ?00
?(1672706611.006712) ?can0 ?626 ? [4] ?40 4D 32 00
?(1672706611.007042) ?can0 ?626 ? [4] ?40 9E 35 00
?(1672706611.007372) ?can0 ?626 ? [4] ?40 3C 39 00
?(1672706611.010214) ?can0 ?5A6 ? [8] ?42 3C 39 00 0E 00 00 00
?(1672706611.010420) ?can0 ?1A6 ? [8] ?48 00 00 00 63 FE 4D 00
?(1672706611.010680) ?can0 ?2A6 ? [8] ?04 00 83 00 5C 00 97 36
?(1672706611.013384) ?can0 ?7DF ? [8] ?03 22 DD 01 00 00 00 00
?(1672706611.014003) ?can0 ?7E8 ? [6] ?05 62 DD 01 83 00
?(1672706611.058461) ?can0 ?27B ? [8] ?C0 20 20 20 34 32 31 00
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Re: CAN to NMEA2000 motor data

 



Not associated with the seller, just did some quick googling. There may be others out there.

--Zeke Greenwald
Re: CAN to NMEA2000 motor data

 

Seems you would have to find something that converts CANopen to NMEA 2000, then you would need to figure out wiring from controller. Id be interested to know if anyone has been successful with this.
Re: Thunderstruck Curtis 1236 CANOpen to NMEA

 

The thunderstruck can translator is a good start to figure out what can messages you need to send to your nmea display. The translator sends a message to the controller and it responds with the data, like rpm. If the can translator is connected to the can bus, you can then listen in and use the data you need. This is only a theory as I have not done this?yet. I have heard that thunderstruck is working on a device that will send data to a nmea display. Good luck with it and let us know if you have any success?with it.
Re: Thunderstruck Curtis 1236 CANOpen to NMEA

 

Hi Brent,

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It seems that Curtis requires a programming tool which is also available from Thunderstruck to interface with their CAN implementation. The OBD solutions cost much less and require less programming expertise ?

I am using an app called OBD Fusion for IOS on an Iphone with a bluetooth OBD dongle on the CAN translator. I got Curtis user defined PIDs from Thunderstruck and it works fairly well.?

i am now going to install dedicated displays for Voltage and amps right off the battery bank. Then I will only need the OBD display for RPM and motor/controller temps.?

If you find a better solution, please share.?

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Re: Thunderstruck Curtis 1236 CANOpen to NMEA

 

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Hi Brent,?

If you have the OBD translator from TSM you should be able to simple plug in a OBD translator. The TSM instructions has suggestions on which to ones to use.?

The Torque app will do the translating for you. It can be a little tricky getting it to work at first but sounds like you’re not afraid of tech.?

I would start with that at least and the you can get creative.?

I believe most people are using android. Have not seen a good IOS option yet.?



Matt Foley

Sunlight Conversions?
1-201-914-0466





On Jan 28, 2023, at 10:04 AM, Brent <brent@...> wrote:

?Hi all.?

Last year I ripped out an old Perkins diesel and replaced it with the 18kw sailboat package from Thunderstruck. Most things have been running smooth except for the battery indicator always being red and the controller giving error messages when the charger is on but those are for another thread. I have searched for threads on this but I always come up empty with anything actually helpful.

What I'm trying to do is get RPM, temp, Amps, etc messages from the can bus to either the NMEA2000 bus or at least into SignalK so I can view it from multiple devices. I have a RaspberryPi setup with a CAN hat from Waveshare. I'm able to see the raw CAN messages through cansniffer and candump but I'm stuck at translating those messages into anything meaningful. I know there are dozens of videos about translating CAN messages but almost all of them are about cars. I do have the OBD translator from TSM but I have yet to find a OBD to USB connector that will work and honestly would prefer to pull directly from the CANOpen bus anyway.

Has anyone gotten anywhere with this or have any resources that might be helpful? I'd even be willing to pay a consultant to get me over the hump here as it's driving me crazy.

Thanks in advance!!

Thunderstruck Curtis 1236 CANOpen to NMEA

 

Hi all.?

Last year I ripped out an old Perkins diesel and replaced it with the 18kw sailboat package from Thunderstruck. Most things have been running smooth except for the battery indicator always being red and the controller giving error messages when the charger is on but those are for another thread. I have searched for threads on this but I always come up empty with anything actually helpful.

What I'm trying to do is get RPM, temp, Amps, etc messages from the can bus to either the NMEA2000 bus or at least into SignalK so I can view it from multiple devices. I have a RaspberryPi setup with a CAN hat from Waveshare. I'm able to see the raw CAN messages through cansniffer and candump but I'm stuck at translating those messages into anything meaningful. I know there are dozens of videos about translating CAN messages but almost all of them are about cars. I do have the OBD translator from TSM but I have yet to find a OBD to USB connector that will work and honestly would prefer to pull directly from the CANOpen bus anyway.

Has anyone gotten anywhere with this or have any resources that might be helpful? I'd even be willing to pay a consultant to get me over the hump here as it's driving me crazy.

Thanks in advance!!
Re: Ventilate a LiFePO4 battery space on a boat?

 

The only reason for ventilation I'm aware of is for temperatures.? Passive (or even none) might be enough, depending of battery capacity, expected charge/discharge rates, and what else might be in the same space.? Short answer is that LFP cells won't 'outgas' except in extraordinary conditions.? Similar to an SLA battery in that regard.
Ventilate a LiFePO4 battery space on a boat?

 

I think I know the answer, but just in case I’m missing something, would it be advisable to provide ventilation to a LiFePO4 battery space on a boat? Active, passive? I know they are designed not to vent gasses, but the question came up and I don’t have a definitive answer.
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