Not sure if all of you have had the chance to hear the full 3:30 min audio clip but I searched for it soon after the accident happened. The long and the short is ATC alerted the Helo 2 times of traffic, first one including the CRJ’s landing runway and type aircraft and the second confirming the type. I find it crazy given the super close separation Tower did not alert the CRJ of the close helo at any point. They were operating on 2 frequencies one for the helicopter traffic and one for the DCA tower. The aircraft couldn’t hear the response of the Blackhawk on the DCA tower frequency but had DC giving the Traffic. Doesn’t really help that they were running intersecting runway approaches and departures with super tight spacing.?
Truly a week of tragedy for aviation.
Blake Shaner
Personal: blakeshaner@... School: bshaner01@... CAP: Blake.Shaner@... Phone: (540)855-4331 “Many of life’s failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.” – Thomas Edison
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On Feb 1, 2025, at 9:39?AM, Mark Walker via groups.io <skyview@...> wrote:
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I can't believe the helo guys wouldn't have seen the landing lights of the RJ.? They should have been blinding them at close range.? Maybe looking inside at instruments too much,? Mark ? ? On Friday 01/31/2025 at 9:29 pm, Michael Bellino via groups.io wrote: Hi Ann, et al.,
Thank you for sharing that video. IMHO, Juan Browne's 'blancolirio' YouTube channel is the best overall for accident reporting. He did a follow-up to this video the following day:?
In a nutshell, it appears that while there were a number of contributing factors (ATC short handed, night vision goggles, etc....) the root cause was that the helicopter flew well above their allowed airway. The limit was 200 ft, specifically to be clear of jets landing overhead. Just before they struck the CRJ, they were at 350ft and climbing. They collided with the CRJ at about 400ft.?
It has been confirmed that the soldiers were wearing Night Vision Goggles (NVGs) on their training flight.
As someone who participates in the design of Night Vision goggles (as did Nestor), I can confirm that the field of view (FOV) is very much restricted with standard NVGs. Also depth perception is significantly reduced. I've tried walking through woods with NVGs and it's not easy.?
If the pilots had had a thermal channel integrated (and on) with their NVGs (for example the that Nestor and I worked on) they would have certainly seen the thermal signature of the CRJ well in advance.
Cheers, Mike On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 04:57:12 PM EST, Ann Lanzara via groups.io <net3pacer@...> wrote:
here is an interesting summary ? ?
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I can't believe the helo guys wouldn't have seen the landing lights of the RJ.? They should have been blinding them at close range.? Maybe looking inside at instruments too much,? Mark ? ? On Friday 01/31/2025 at 9:29 pm, Michael Bellino via groups.io wrote:
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Hi Ann, et al.,
Thank you for sharing that video. IMHO, Juan Browne's 'blancolirio' YouTube channel is the best overall for accident reporting. He did a follow-up to this video the following day:?
In a nutshell, it appears that while there were a number of contributing factors (ATC short handed, night vision goggles, etc....) the root cause was that the helicopter flew well above their allowed airway. The limit was 200 ft, specifically to be clear of jets landing overhead. Just before they struck the CRJ, they were at 350ft and climbing. They collided with the CRJ at about 400ft.?
It has been confirmed that the soldiers were wearing Night Vision Goggles (NVGs) on their training flight.
As someone who participates in the design of Night Vision goggles (as did Nestor), I can confirm that the field of view (FOV) is very much restricted with standard NVGs. Also depth perception is significantly reduced. I've tried walking through woods with NVGs and it's not easy.?
If the pilots had had a thermal channel integrated (and on) with their NVGs (for example the that Nestor and I worked on) they would have certainly seen the thermal signature of the CRJ well in advance.
Cheers, Mike On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 04:57:12 PM EST, Ann Lanzara via groups.io <net3pacer@...> wrote:
here is an interesting summary ? ?
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As you noted Mike, one primary cause was the helicopter altitude almost 200 ft higher than the route ceiling. ?Perhaps as responsible maybe more is the helicopter pilot reporting traffic in sight and stating he will maintain visual separation. Now we suspect he was looking at the wrong traffic. ?But not to be overlooked is ATC staffing levels at Reagan and EVERYWHERE else are seriously (dangerously) below norm. ?Just because they have let it be that way for years, is no reason to continue.
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just a personal aside:
?I think it’s nuts they routinely route traffic through and near the short final approach of Reagan runways. Did you see the line up of landing traffic on approach???
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Hi Ann, et al.,
Thank you for sharing that video. IMHO, Juan Browne's 'blancolirio' YouTube channel is the best overall for accident reporting. He did a follow-up to this video the following day:?
In a nutshell, it appears that while there were a number of contributing factors (ATC short handed, night vision goggles, etc....) the root cause was that the helicopter flew well above their allowed airway. The limit was 200 ft, specifically to be clear of jets landing overhead. Just before they struck the CRJ, they were at 350ft and climbing. They collided with the CRJ at about 400ft.?
It has been confirmed that the soldiers were wearing Night Vision Goggles (NVGs) on their training flight.
As someone who participates in the design of Night Vision goggles (as did Nestor), I can confirm that the field of view (FOV) is very much restricted with standard NVGs. Also depth perception is significantly reduced. I've tried walking through woods with NVGs and it's not easy.?
If the pilots had had a thermal channel integrated (and on) with their NVGs (for example the that Nestor and I worked on) they would have certainly seen the thermal signature of the CRJ well in advance.
Cheers, Mike
On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 04:57:12 PM EST, Ann Lanzara via groups.io <net3pacer@...> wrote:
here is an interesting summary
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here is an interesting summary
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Re: upcomming flying operations
On Sunday 01/26/2025 at 8:09 am, skyview@... wrote:
It looks like the arctic deep freeze has broken for the near future. Wednesday and Thursday show potential for some flying opportunities. Thursday, although slightly cooler has a lower winds forecast. I'm planning on that day - possibly a late lunch in Lewisburg. Any other suggestions are welcome, Mark
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upcomming flying operations
It looks like the arctic deep freeze has broken for the near future. Wednesday and Thursday show potential for some flying opportunities. Thursday, although slightly cooler has a lower winds forecast. I'm planning on that day - possibly a late lunch in Lewisburg. Any other suggestions are welcome, Mark
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Re: A Plethora of Interesting Aviation Notes
@ Mark: Here is an image of my e-mail:  This did work for me as I have a calendar. Kindly double-check and if it bounces again, let me know. Thanks!
On Saturday, January 25, 2025 at 08:29:25 AM EST, Mark Walker via groups.io <skyview@...> wrote:
That calander email did not work ? ? On Friday 01/24/2025 at 10:34 pm, Mike Brown via groups.io wrote:
Great stuff Mike. I hope folks pay attention to this and act.
Mike
On Fri, Jan 24, 2025, 9:31?PM Michael Bellino via <mike_bellino= [email protected]> wrote: Hello All,?
I have a bunch a (hopefully) interesting notes for the group. Just coincidence this all came to my attention at the same time.
FREE 2025 VA Aviation Calendar If you e-mail? betty.wilson@... and request a (free) VA Aviation 2025 Calendar, one will be sent via USPS. Supposedly these are available at the local FBO, but I have asked over several years and the ROA FBO doesn't seem to have them. I just got mine in the mail last week.
Support VA Aviation (Call to Action) We need your help to support?Virginia House Bill 1729, which aims to cement a sales tax exemption on aircraft parts and components through June 30th, 2028.? Your voice will be critical to helping this measure pass the Virginia House in the coming days.? ?? You can help by contacting Delegate Joseph Obenshain at?(804) 698-1041?to request their support.? Identify yourself as a resident of their district and urge them to support House Bill 1729 because:
- This exemption is critical to Virginia’s aviation and aerospace sector which supports 147,000 jobs and contributes $23 billion to the Commonwealth’s economy annually.
- It will preserve aviation maintenance jobs in Virginia by leveling competition with neighboring states.?
- And strengthen the self-sufficiency of airports across the Commonwealth.
Your fellow pilots are counting on you to contact your legislator quickly and urge them to?SUPPORT Virginia House Bill 1729?to ensure the continued vitality and future growth of Virginia’s general aviation industry.
FYI: FAA Medical Cost Increase I just found out that the Class 3 medical AME exam is going up from $125 to $325 (not a typo) effective Feb 1st. This is at the facility. (I scheduled my exam for January 29th.) I do not know if this is at any AME facility or just Carillion.
4 FREE AVIATION SUMMER TRAINING SLOTS (a $16,000 value from the ) Starflight Foundation (here in Roanoke) is giving away Aviation Career Summer Training Sessions to 4 lucky individuals. Basic Program Eligibility Requirements: - Have at least a 3.0 GPA
- Be a U.S. citizen
- Be a Virginia resident
- Be 17 years old by the start of the program
- Be able to pass the required FAA flight physical exam
- Reliable daily transportation and able to commit to the program timeline
?Applications are due March 1st. For all the info you need go to:?
There are other very interesting programs for all levels and ages - go to:?
Cheers, Mike Bellino
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Re: A Plethora of Interesting Aviation Notes
Mark, ?Make sure there no typing errors. Worked for me....hasn't bounced yet. Mike
That calander email did not work ? ? On Friday 01/24/2025 at 10:34 pm, Mike Brown via wrote: Great stuff Mike. I hope folks pay attention to this and act.
Mike
On Fri, Jan 24, 2025, 9:31?PM Michael Bellino via <mike_bellino= [email protected]> wrote: Hello All,?
I have a bunch a (hopefully) interesting notes for the group. Just coincidence this all came to my attention at the same time.
FREE 2025 VA Aviation Calendar If you e-mail? betty.wilson@... and request a (free) VA Aviation 2025 Calendar, one will be sent via USPS. Supposedly these are available at the local FBO, but I have asked over several years and the ROA FBO doesn't seem to have them. I just got mine in the mail last week.
Support VA Aviation (Call to Action) We need your help to support?Virginia House Bill 1729, which aims to cement a sales tax exemption on aircraft parts and components through June 30th, 2028.? Your voice will be critical to helping this measure pass the Virginia House in the coming days.? ?? You can help by contacting Delegate Joseph Obenshain at?(804) 698-1041?to request their support.? Identify yourself as a resident of their district and urge them to support House Bill 1729 because:
- This exemption is critical to Virginia’s aviation and aerospace sector which supports 147,000 jobs and contributes $23 billion to the Commonwealth’s economy annually.
- It will preserve aviation maintenance jobs in Virginia by leveling competition with neighboring states.?
- And strengthen the self-sufficiency of airports across the Commonwealth.
Your fellow pilots are counting on you to contact your legislator quickly and urge them to?SUPPORT Virginia House Bill 1729?to ensure the continued vitality and future growth of Virginia’s general aviation industry.
FYI: FAA Medical Cost Increase I just found out that the Class 3 medical AME exam is going up from $125 to $325 (not a typo) effective Feb 1st. This is at the facility. (I scheduled my exam for January 29th.) I do not know if this is at any AME facility or just Carillion.
4 FREE AVIATION SUMMER TRAINING SLOTS (a $16,000 value from the ) Starflight Foundation (here in Roanoke) is giving away Aviation Career Summer Training Sessions to 4 lucky individuals. Basic Program Eligibility Requirements: - Have at least a 3.0 GPA
- Be a U.S. citizen
- Be a Virginia resident
- Be 17 years old by the start of the program
- Be able to pass the required FAA flight physical exam
- Reliable daily transportation and able to commit to the program timeline
?Applications are due March 1st. For all the info you need go to:?
There are other very interesting programs for all levels and ages - go to:?
Cheers, Mike Bellino
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Re: A Plethora of Interesting Aviation Notes
That calander email did not work ? ? On Friday 01/24/2025 at 10:34 pm, Mike Brown via groups.io wrote:
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Great stuff Mike. I hope folks pay attention to this and act.
Mike
On Fri, Jan 24, 2025, 9:31?PM Michael Bellino via <mike_bellino= [email protected]> wrote: Hello All,?
I have a bunch a (hopefully) interesting notes for the group. Just coincidence this all came to my attention at the same time.
FREE 2025 VA Aviation Calendar If you e-mail? betty.wilson@... and request a (free) VA Aviation 2025 Calendar, one will be sent via USPS. Supposedly these are available at the local FBO, but I have asked over several years and the ROA FBO doesn't seem to have them. I just got mine in the mail last week.
Support VA Aviation (Call to Action) We need your help to support?Virginia House Bill 1729, which aims to cement a sales tax exemption on aircraft parts and components through June 30th, 2028.? Your voice will be critical to helping this measure pass the Virginia House in the coming days.? ?? You can help by contacting Delegate Joseph Obenshain at?(804) 698-1041?to request their support.? Identify yourself as a resident of their district and urge them to support House Bill 1729 because:
- This exemption is critical to Virginia’s aviation and aerospace sector which supports 147,000 jobs and contributes $23 billion to the Commonwealth’s economy annually.
- It will preserve aviation maintenance jobs in Virginia by leveling competition with neighboring states.?
- And strengthen the self-sufficiency of airports across the Commonwealth.
Your fellow pilots are counting on you to contact your legislator quickly and urge them to?SUPPORT Virginia House Bill 1729?to ensure the continued vitality and future growth of Virginia’s general aviation industry.
FYI: FAA Medical Cost Increase I just found out that the Class 3 medical AME exam is going up from $125 to $325 (not a typo) effective Feb 1st. This is at the facility. (I scheduled my exam for January 29th.) I do not know if this is at any AME facility or just Carillion.
4 FREE AVIATION SUMMER TRAINING SLOTS (a $16,000 value from the ) Starflight Foundation (here in Roanoke) is giving away Aviation Career Summer Training Sessions to 4 lucky individuals. Basic Program Eligibility Requirements: - Have at least a 3.0 GPA
- Be a U.S. citizen
- Be a Virginia resident
- Be 17 years old by the start of the program
- Be able to pass the required FAA flight physical exam
- Reliable daily transportation and able to commit to the program timeline
?Applications are due March 1st. For all the info you need go to:?
There are other very interesting programs for all levels and ages - go to:?
Cheers, Mike Bellino
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Re: A Plethora of Interesting Aviation Notes
Great stuff Mike. I hope folks pay attention to this and act.
Mike
On Fri, Jan 24, 2025, 9:31?PM Michael Bellino via <mike_bellino= [email protected]> wrote: Hello All,?
I have a bunch a (hopefully) interesting notes for the group. Just coincidence this all came to my attention at the same time.
FREE 2025 VA Aviation Calendar If you e-mail? betty.wilson@... and request a (free) VA Aviation 2025 Calendar, one will be sent via USPS. Supposedly these are available at the local FBO, but I have asked over several years and the ROA FBO doesn't seem to have them. I just got mine in the mail last week.
Support VA Aviation (Call to Action) We need your help to support?Virginia House Bill 1729, which aims to cement a sales tax exemption on aircraft parts and components through June 30th, 2028.? Your voice will be critical to helping this measure pass the Virginia House in the coming days.? ?? You can help by contacting Delegate Joseph Obenshain at?(804) 698-1041?to request their support.? Identify yourself as a resident of their district and urge them to support House Bill 1729 because:
- This exemption is critical to Virginia’s aviation and aerospace sector which supports 147,000 jobs and contributes $23 billion to the Commonwealth’s economy annually.
- It will preserve aviation maintenance jobs in Virginia by leveling competition with neighboring states.?
- And strengthen the self-sufficiency of airports across the Commonwealth.
Your fellow pilots are counting on you to contact your legislator quickly and urge them to?SUPPORT Virginia House Bill 1729?to ensure the continued vitality and future growth of Virginia’s general aviation industry.
FYI: FAA Medical Cost Increase I just found out that the Class 3 medical AME exam is going up from $125 to $325 (not a typo) effective Feb 1st. This is at the facility. (I scheduled my exam for January 29th.) I do not know if this is at any AME facility or just Carillion.
4 FREE AVIATION SUMMER TRAINING SLOTS (a $16,000 value from the ) Starflight Foundation (here in Roanoke) is giving away Aviation Career Summer Training Sessions to 4 lucky individuals. Basic Program Eligibility Requirements: - Have at least a 3.0 GPA
- Be a U.S. citizen
- Be a Virginia resident
- Be 17 years old by the start of the program
- Be able to pass the required FAA flight physical exam
- Reliable daily transportation and able to commit to the program timeline
?Applications are due March 1st. For all the info you need go to:?
There are other very interesting programs for all levels and ages - go to:?
Cheers, Mike Bellino
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A Plethora of Interesting Aviation Notes
Hello All,?
I have a bunch a (hopefully) interesting notes for the group. Just coincidence this all came to my attention at the same time.
FREE 2025 VA Aviation Calendar If you e-mail?betty.wilson@... and request a (free) VA Aviation 2025 Calendar, one will be sent via USPS. Supposedly these are available at the local FBO, but I have asked over several years and the ROA FBO doesn't seem to have them. I just got mine in the mail last week.
Support VA Aviation (Call to Action) Write?DelCObenshain@... and express your support of Bill 1749. From the AOPA:? We need your help to support?Virginia House Bill 1729, which aims to cement a sales tax exemption on aircraft parts and components through June 30th, 2028.? Your voice will be critical to helping this measure pass the Virginia House in the coming days.? ?? You can help by contacting Delegate Joseph Obenshain at?(804) 698-1041?to request their support.? Identify yourself as a resident of their district and urge them to support House Bill 1729 because:
- This exemption is critical to Virginia’s aviation and aerospace sector which supports 147,000 jobs and contributes $23 billion to the Commonwealth’s economy annually.
- It will preserve aviation maintenance jobs in Virginia by leveling competition with neighboring states.?
- And strengthen the self-sufficiency of airports across the Commonwealth.
Your fellow pilots are counting on you to contact your legislator quickly and urge them to?SUPPORT Virginia House Bill 1729?to ensure the continued vitality and future growth of Virginia’s general aviation industry.
FYI: FAA Medical Cost Increase I just found out that the Class 3 medical AME exam is going up from $125 to $325 (not a typo) effective Feb 1st. This is at the facility. (I scheduled my exam for January 29th.) I do not know if this is at any AME facility or just Carillion.
4 FREE AVIATION SUMMER TRAINING SLOTS (a $16,000 value from the ) Starflight Foundation (here in Roanoke) is giving away Aviation Career Summer Training Sessions to 4 lucky individuals. Basic Program Eligibility Requirements: - Have at least a 3.0 GPA
- Be a U.S. citizen
- Be a Virginia resident
- Be 17 years old by the start of the program
- Be able to pass the required FAA flight physical exam
- Reliable daily transportation and able to commit to the program timeline
?Applications are due March 1st. For all the info you need go to:?
There are other very interesting programs for all levels and ages - go to:?
Cheers, Mike Bellino
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The January meeting is CANCELED?
due to the arctic temperatures forecast
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Sam,
EAA? MEETING 11:30.?
DIANA
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 07:45:50 -0800, "Sam via groups.io" <one80auto@...> wrote:
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Good morning. ?Myself and my wife are new to the chapter and planning to attend the meeting. ?I see the where was settled, but what time on Tuesday?
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We are looking forward to meeting everyone.
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Thanks,
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Sam & Lindsey
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January meeting cancellation!!
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due to the severe weather forecast
with single digit temperatures for both Tues and the day before,
our January meeting is canceled.
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Be safe
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On Jan 17, 2025, at 10:53, Sam via groups.io <one80auto@...> wrote:
? Good morning. ?Myself and my wife are new to the chapter and planning to attend the meeting. ?I see the where was settled, but what time on Tuesday?
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We are looking forward to meeting everyone.
?
Thanks,
?
Sam & Lindsey
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Good morning. ?Myself and my wife are new to the chapter and planning to attend the meeting. ?I see the where was settled, but what time on Tuesday?
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We are looking forward to meeting everyone.
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Thanks,
?
Sam & Lindsey
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