I assume that because you have the TNC X connected to the 880 that you are trying to connect to a RMS Packet station?via VHF=FM.? Am I correct? ?
To: d-rats_group@... From: d-rats_group@... Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:41:06 -0700 Subject: [d-rats_group] Re: D-RATS Training
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Ah!? OK, via Internet....Ya, I got that working just fine.
My main objective is to get RF/Winlink email working
when I am remote -- e.g. no cell coverage etc.? Ya, I
should be doing this via HF, but that's next.? The rig I
have that has the TNC-X connected to it is a ICOM 880H
2M/70CM.
ron
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There is NO D-rats, 5100 style pix or text messaging going on.??The Papa system is quite busy at times, so trying to get any data thru would cause issues.? I hope that with the addition of the 5100 and the 51A Anniversary radios, their might be some additional interest.? I am using DRATS?on the internet (3 RAT reflectors), and am monitoring the Papa system, but am only getting position reports from the RF.? I have been on several of the reflectors with my DVAP and monitored for DRATS traffic.? I was also?involved with the testing of PIX from the 5100 radios. ? I think DRATS provides a great way to pass messages in an emergency?(or anytime).? I plan to hook it?up to my 880 and put that on the local VHF Packet frequency and see if?how it works.? The local VHF ARES groups use Outpost for their Packet client, and I doubt any of they will want to change.? I?just sold the County EC a 80AD and a ID31A, which?he is trying to find time to set up.? ? I hope that DRATS and the new message capabilities that ICOM is coming out with will be compatible.? ? Rusty ? ? > To: d-rats_group@...
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> I'm somewhat surprised the local Dstar repeater frowns on data
> transmissions... that's part of what makes Dstar powerful and there are
> even dedicated data REFLECTORS! Look at
> http://www.dstarinfo.com/reflectors.aspx and search for "data". You
> connect to these data refectors just like you would any other Dstar
> reflector but once connected, you use the Dstar radio's computer
> connection via say D-RATs, etc.
>
> Btw, D-Rats on RF works pretty well. Since data over Dstar doesn't have
> any standard per se, D-Rats created it's own protocol if you will over
> it. That same protocol is also used over AGW/PE packet if you want to
> use it that way. One thing I really like about D-Rats is you can be
> connected to the Internet RAT flector, and have a working connection on
> RF, and Packet and in the chat window, select which link your messages
> will go over.
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Ah!? OK, via Internet....Ya, I got that working just fine.
My main objective is to get RF/Winlink email working
when I am remote -- e.g. no cell coverage etc.? Ya, I
should be doing this via HF, but that's next.? The rig I
have that has the TNC-X connected to it is a ICOM 880H
2M/70CM.
ron
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I'm somewhat surprised the local Dstar repeater frowns on data transmissions... that's part of what makes Dstar powerful and there are even dedicated data REFLECTORS! Look at and search for "data". You connect to these data refectors just like you would any other Dstar reflector but once connected, you use the Dstar radio's computer connection via say D-RATs, etc.
Btw, D-Rats on RF works pretty well. Since data over Dstar doesn't have any standard per se, D-Rats created it's own protocol if you will over it. That same protocol is also used over AGW/PE packet if you want to use it that way. One thing I really like about D-Rats is you can be connected to the Internet RAT flector, and have a working connection on RF, and Packet and in the chat window, select which link your messages will go over.
--David
KI6ZHD
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The instructions I gave you require a Internet connection, and the connections are directly?via?the Interned.? I'm not sure how it would work via RF.? What radio are you trying to connect to?? I've only tried the chat via the Internet, as?data transmissions are sort of frowned on the local RF system.? Who are you trying to chat with via the Radio?? ? Rusty ?
To: d-rats_group@... From: d-rats_group@... Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:03:41 -0700 Subject: RE: [d-rats_group] Re: D-RATS Training
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Thanks Rusty.? No soap  ? The one thing that gave me some hope here was the "WL2K" pick, followed by Send -- which was not exactly what I was doing.? Whe I tried this, there was no indication of a transmission. Although again, if I go to Chat, dial to dead space, and do a chat/send then PTT goes on, RED light so I think some stuff is working.? Incidentally, I did confirm that I can send/rec via D-Rats on a landline.?? Of note, when I fire up D-Rats I do get a short RED light (transmission), when I close the app, also get a short transmission. I think that's how D-Rats works so that may be a good sign.? Hmmm,? the one thing that I am now wondering about is "reach", that Winlink station is pretty far from me.? I don't know what the actual Winlink Telnet protocol is, I'm wondering if D-Rats has to "hear" the staiion your tuned to before it trys to connect?? Maybe I need to give this a try at elevation, which I could do. Oh!? I am running on a Mac to make things more challenging. ron
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Thanks Rusty.? No soap ? The one thing that gave me some hope here was the "WL2K" pick, followed by Send -- which was not exactly what I was doing.? Whe I tried this, there was no indication of a transmission. Although again, if I go to Chat, dial to dead space, and do a chat/send then PTT goes on, RED light so I think some stuff is working.? Incidentally, I did confirm that I can send/rec via D-Rats on a landline.?? Of note, when I fire up D-Rats I do get a short RED light (transmission), when I close the app, also get a short transmission. I think that's how D-Rats works so that may be a good sign.? Hmmm,? the one thing that I am now wondering about is "reach", that Winlink station is pretty far from me.? I don't know what the actual Winlink Telnet protocol is, I'm wondering if D-Rats has to "hear" the staiion your tuned to before it trys to connect?? Maybe I need to give this a try at elevation, which I could do. Oh!? I am running on a Mac to make things more challenging. ron
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Ron
?
I have mine set up this way...
?
In preferences, select "Messages"
?
Check Allow Winlink
I use "NET" in the Winlink Connections box
In the Winlink Server box, select one of the servers (using the dropdown box), port is 8772
I use a "9" in the SSID box
?
I'm not using a RMS Server, so that box is empty
?
When your ready to send a message:
?
Select the Message tab
Select "Email"
Your call sign should be in the From box
Put the email address you are sending the message to in the To box
In the Subject line type //WL2K then the subject
Type the text of the message
?
When your ready to send the message, ? Click?Send Click on the down arrow to the right of "Send/Rcv" and select WL2K, then click on Send/Rcv. ? The message should go.? ? Suggest sending a message from your landline computer to your?Winlink address before you start.? If all goes well, the message should be in your "in Box" after the send/rcv function
?I've probably forgotten something, but this works for me ? Rusty K1GGS
To: d-rats_group@... From: d-rats_group@... Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 13:42:24 -0700 Subject: [d-rats_group] Re: D-RATS Training
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Dangit!! Missed this training opportunity Although I am pretty much up and running with the basics, but now attempting to get a TNC-X up and running for Winlink email with difficulties.? Looking in the chat window I do see packets come in and get decoded.? Just can't get mail out and I do have a Winlink account, using the prefix WL2K:? Has to be someting dumb. 73 ron
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Dangit!! Missed this training opportunity Although I am pretty much up and running with the basics, but now attempting to get a TNC-X up and running for Winlink email with difficulties.? Looking in the chat window I do see packets come in and get decoded.? Just can't get mail out and I do have a Winlink account, using the prefix WL2K:? Has to be someting dumb. 73 ron
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Hello Jim,
I am going to start a D-RATS Training course this Thursday, Sept. 11, 2014 on the AE5HE RATflector at 7 PM (MDT). There will be four sessions scheduled for one hour each. The sessions will be on Sept. 11, 25, Oct 9 and 23. Send me an email at kb5hpt@... and I will get you registered and send you some additional information about the training.
73, Lew, KB5HPT
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Did what you said, tried the Alabama Statewide ARES, bingo, connected! Had no idea the default reflector was off-line. When the previous one said "connection refused," that should have told me that I was getting out. Another problem scratched off the list. Perhaps I don't have a router problem after all, we'll see. Learned another lesson, I expected the reflector to be up and it wasn't. Something is working, now I was able to see N3TSZ broadcast. Jim At 06:35 PM 9/9/2014, you wrote:
Try connecting to the Training reflector. RAT
is offline. That is why you get that
message. Same thing happened to me several
weeks ago. So – you are getting out to the internet.
James R. Holtzman Empirical Technology Carmichael, CA 95608 (916) 487-9712 emptech@...
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Try connecting to the Training reflector.? RAT is offline.? That is why you get that message.? Same thing happened to me several weeks ago.? So – you are getting out to the internet. ?
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From: d-rats_group@... [mailto:d-rats_group@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 8:33 PM
To: d-rats_group@...
Subject: RE: [d-rats_group] Crup D-Star Program? ? Two reasons, as d-rats starts up, it tries to announce itself to the internet, or to the server.
I get an error message "RAT: Unable to connect (Unable to connect ((10061, "Connection refused))).
Second, I don't know if this is an automatic thing or not, but without touching anything, I saw the
message CQCQCQCQ try to go out, and it was highlighted in yellow, I read somewhere that showd
there was an error and it didn't go out.? I may be reading this all wrong.
I haven't used d-star/d-rats in a long time, but when I used to use it, I remember seeing traffic from all
over the world.
I also recently changed to a new router, bought a MikroTik, with takes a lot more setting up than your
run of the mill d-link or linksys.? I have a lot of configuration to do, that could be part of the problem too,
but you know what they say, can't see the forest through the trees, could be just me and something simple.
I'm all ears, where should I go next, for one thing, should we start a new thread or is this ok with everybody?
Jim
At 06:05 PM 9/9/2014, you wrote: ?
Hi -? how do you know you are not connecting to the internet – do you mean you are not connecting to a ratflector?? RAT is currently not working, try a different one, like the? Training one and see if you connect.
?
-AE5RX
?
From: d-rats_group@... [ mailto:d-rats_group@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 7:58 PM
To: d-rats_group@...
Subject: Re: [d-rats_group] Crup D-Star Program
!
?
?
David:
The brand name on the adaptor is Trendnet, model tu-s9, I sell computer products, it's
a brand I sell, did a driver update with windoze, it downloaded the prolific driver.? So far
seems to be working.? I haven't read the article about counterfeit chips yet, will do.
Dumb question, I went to the url where it has all the comments.? Looks like a lot of source
code for fixes.? What do I do to upgrade my version?? I clicked on the zip, downloaded
the file to a directory and expanded it, but that doesn't look like what I want, is it?? I was
expecting to see a setup, install, or d-rats.exe file there, did I miss it?
BTW, I saw the table of baud rates, yes, I have my 92AD at 38.5K, both in the program and
set with the device manager.? I remember with th! e 2820s, the driver set to 38K isn't a problem
but the program had to be set to 9600.? There seemed to be confusion as to what baud rate
the device itself had to be.
Jim
At 05:30 PM 9/9/2014, you wrote: ?
Hey Jim,
? I have been using 0.3.3 up until today, when I downloaded and installed daily 02172012. Hmmm.. why such an old daily?? The newest daily is 04/17/2014 @
James R. Holtzman
Empirical Technology
Carmichael, CA? 95608
(916) 487-9712
emptech@...
James R. Holtzman
Empirical Technology
Carmichael, CA? 95608
(916) 487-9712
emptech@...
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Two reasons, as d-rats starts up, it tries to announce itself to the
internet, or to the server.
I get an error message "RAT: Unable to connect (Unable to connect
((10061, "Connection refused))).
Second, I don't know if this is an automatic thing or not, but without
touching anything, I saw the
message CQCQCQCQ try to go out, and it was highlighted in yellow, I read
somewhere that showd
there was an error and it didn't go out.? I may be reading this all
wrong.
I haven't used d-star/d-rats in a long time, but when I used to use it, I
remember seeing traffic from all
over the world.
I also recently changed to a new router, bought a MikroTik, with takes a
lot more setting up than your
run of the mill d-link or linksys.? I have a lot of configuration to
do, that could be part of the problem too,
but you know what they say, can't see the forest through the trees, could
be just me and something simple.
I'm all ears, where should I go next, for one thing, should we start a
new thread or is this ok with everybody?
Jim
At 06:05 PM 9/9/2014, you wrote:
?
Hi -? how do you know you are not connecting to the internet – do
you mean you are not connecting to a ratflector?? RAT is currently
not working, try a different one, like the? Training one and see if
you connect.
?
-AE5RX
?
From: d-rats_group@...
[
mailto:d-rats_group@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 7:58 PM
To: d-rats_group@...
Subject: Re: [d-rats_group] Crup D-Star Program
!
?
?
David:
The brand name on the adaptor is Trendnet, model tu-s9, I sell computer
products, it's
a brand I sell, did a driver update with windoze, it downloaded the
prolific driver.? So far
seems to be working.? I haven't read the article about counterfeit
chips yet, will do.
Dumb question, I went to the url where it has all the comments.?
Looks like a lot of source
code for fixes.? What do I do to upgrade my version?? I clicked
on the zip, downloaded
the file to a directory and expanded it, but that doesn't look like what
I want, is it?? I was
expecting to see a setup, install, or d-rats.exe file there, did I miss
it?
BTW, I saw the table of baud rates, yes, I have my 92AD at 38.5K, both in
the program and
set with the device manager.? I remember with th! e 2820s, the
driver set to 38K isn't a problem
but the program had to be set to 9600.? There seemed to be confusion
as to what baud rate
the device itself had to be.
Jim
At 05:30 PM 9/9/2014, you wrote:
- ?
- Hey Jim,
- ?
- I have been using 0.3.3 up until today, when I downloaded and
- installed daily 02172012.
- Hmmm.. why such an old daily?? The newest daily is 04/17/2014 @
James R. Holtzman
Empirical Technology
Carmichael, CA? 95608
(916) 487-9712
emptech@...
James R. Holtzman
Empirical Technology
Carmichael, CA? 95608
(916) 487-9712
emptech@...
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Don't touch the device manager. Leave the settings at the defaults. Set the port speed to match the radio in D-RATS preferences>radio...
If you think you are not connecting to the internet, it might be because the default ratflector is offline. Look in the database section of this group for more internet based ratflectors to connect to.
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So, according to the tables I've seen, the 92AD should be 38.4K,
understood.? How about the baud rate of the
com port itself via the device manager?
Jim
At 05:39 PM 9/9/2014, you wrote:
?
The port speed for the 92AD should be 38400. If you leave it set to the
default of 9600 you will encounter the types of issues you have been
describing.
Patrick (N3TSZ)
James R. Holtzman
Empirical Technology
Carmichael, CA? 95608
(916) 487-9712
emptech@...
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Hi -? how do you know you are not connecting to the internet – do you mean you are not connecting to a ratflector?? RAT is currently not working, try a different one, like the? Training one and see if you connect. ? -AE5RX ?
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From: d-rats_group@... [mailto:d-rats_group@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 7:58 PM
To: d-rats_group@...
Subject: Re: [d-rats_group] Crup D-Star Program? ? David:
The brand name on the adaptor is Trendnet, model tu-s9, I sell computer products, it's
a brand I sell, did a driver update with windoze, it downloaded the prolific driver.? So far
seems to be working.? I haven't read the article about counterfeit chips yet, will do.
Dumb question, I went to the url where it has all the comments.? Looks like a lot of source
code for fixes.? What do I do to upgrade my version?? I clicked on the zip, downloaded
the file to a directory and expanded it, but that doesn't look like what I want, is it?? I was
expecting to see a setup, install, or d-rats.exe file there, did I miss it?
BTW, I saw the table of baud rates, yes, I have my 92AD at 38.5K, both in the program and
set with the device manager.? I remember with the 2820s, the driver set to 38K isn't a problem
but the program had to be set to 9600.? There seemed to be confusion as to what baud rate
the device itself had to be.
Jim
At 05:30 PM 9/9/2014, you wrote: ?
Hey Jim,
?
I have been using 0.3.3 up until today, when I downloaded and
installed daily 02172012. Hmmm.. why such an old daily?? The newest daily is 04/17/2014 @
James R. Holtzman
Empirical Technology
Carmichael, CA? 95608
(916) 487-9712
emptech@...
|
David:
The brand name on the adaptor is Trendnet, model tu-s9, I sell computer
products, it's
a brand I sell, did a driver update with windoze, it downloaded the
prolific driver.? So far
seems to be working.? I haven't read the article about counterfeit
chips yet, will do.
Dumb question, I went to the url where it has all the comments.?
Looks like a lot of source
code for fixes.? What do I do to upgrade my version?? I clicked
on the zip, downloaded
the file to a directory and expanded it, but that doesn't look like what
I want, is it?? I was
expecting to see a setup, install, or d-rats.exe file there, did I miss
it?
BTW, I saw the table of baud rates, yes, I have my 92AD at 38.5K, both in
the program and
set with the device manager.? I remember with the 2820s, the driver
set to 38K isn't a problem
but the program had to be set to 9600.? There seemed to be confusion
as to what baud rate
the device itself had to be.
Jim
At 05:30 PM 9/9/2014, you wrote:
?
Hey Jim,
?
I have been using 0.3.3 up until today, when I downloaded and
installed daily 02172012. Hmmm.. why such an old daily??
The newest daily is 04/17/2014 @
James R. Holtzman
Empirical Technology
Carmichael, CA? 95608
(916) 487-9712
emptech@...
|
The port speed for the 92AD should be 38400. If you leave it set to the default of 9600 you will encounter the types of issues you have been describing. Patrick (N3TSZ)
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David:
Didn't see that one, I'll download it.
Thanks
At 05:30 PM 9/9/2014, you wrote:
?
Hey Jim,
?
I have been using 0.3.3 up until today, when I downloaded and
installed daily 02172012. Hmmm.. why such an old daily??
The newest daily is 04/17/2014 @
The reason I went to the daily
version, I've been having problems
with loosing control of my 92ad,
that is, sometimes it would xmit, and most of the time it
wouldn't. I also downloaded the latest version
of my usb-rs-232 adaptor.
What kind of serial chip is in your USB adapter?? counterfit
prolific, real prolific, FTDI, Si, etc??? If you have a cheap
adapter using the counterfit chip, running the newest drivers will
actually hurt you.? Read this:
??
I actually have three problems,
but I want to solve one at a
time. My other problem, won't connect
to the internet. I have a new MikroTik router, which has a
complicated setup, and when I get it all
figured out, I'll have to deal with its firewall and port
forwarding.
D-RATS doesn't seen to require any port forwards.? It connects to
the pre-defined "RAT flector" and just works.
--David
James R. Holtzman
Empirical Technology
Carmichael, CA? 95608
(916) 487-9712
emptech@...
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David: Problem solved. After uninstalling, re-installing, going to c:\users\holtzman\appdata\roaming, now have d-rats. I could swear it was not there before, but there it is, and the config file is a plain text file, just what I wanted. OK people, you can close the trouble ticket on this one! Now back to two other problems, the problem keying up the radio may be gone, I downloaded the latest prolific drivers for my adaptor, may have solved the problem, not keying up the radio, time will tell. The problem connecting to the internet, until I get the router going right, I think that's going to still be a problem. But, can it be something as simple as a windoze firewall setting? I went into the firewall settings and told it to add r-rats as acceptable, still a problem. I just saw my screen try to put out a cqcqcq, all in yellow, if I recall that means it didn't go out, right? Jim At 04:45 PM 9/9/2014, you wrote:
Hello Jim,
That's the behavior I have here on Win7 Enterprise SP1 though I'm bound to a corporate Active Directory tree. I assume you rant the installer for 0.3.3? If it helps, I have the following in that top level directory:
--
<DIR> Form_Templates
<DIR> logs
<DIR> maps
<DIR> messages
<DIR> static_locations
debug.log
d-rats.config
repeater.config
repeater.log
--
--David
James R. Holtzman Empirical Technology Carmichael, CA 95608 (916) 487-9712 emptech@...
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Hey Jim,
?
I have been using 0.3.3 up until today, when I downloaded
and
installed daily 02172012.
Hmmm.. why such an old daily?? The newest daily is 04/17/2014 @
The reason I went to the daily version, I've been having
problems
with loosing control of my 92ad,
that is, sometimes it would xmit, and most of the time it
wouldn't. I also downloaded the latest version
of my usb-rs-232 adaptor.
What kind of serial chip is in your USB adapter?? counterfit
prolific, real prolific, FTDI, Si, etc??? If you have a cheap
adapter using the counterfit chip, running the newest drivers will
actually hurt you.? Read this:
??
I actually have three problems, but I want to solve one at
a
time. My other problem, won't connect
to the internet. I have a new MikroTik router, which has a
complicated setup, and when I get it all
figured out, I'll have to deal with its firewall and port
forwarding.
D-RATS doesn't seen to require any port forwards.? It connects to
the pre-defined "RAT flector" and just works.
--David
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Patrick Connor